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| 2005/6/17-19 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:38167 Activity:high |
6/16 Do any of you essentially not read books any more? I find it
interesting there are people who are bright and by any measure
successful who read maybe .5 - 1 book a year, e.g. my housemate
has an MBA from MIT/Sloane and is essentially retired at 48.
I'm not sure he has read 2 books in the 2yrs I've lived here.
He does watch various news and informational TV programs so he's
not clueless about the world. This does not include "HowTo" books.
\_ I generally don't make time for reading, though several times
a year I go crazy and read all the books I buy in my off periods.
In general, though, the books I do try to read when I'm not devoting
most of my time to it are difficult reads that I go through them
very slowly.
\_ I am neither bright nor successful, but I don't really read
very much. -- ilyas
\_ I read a lot when commuting on BART. Since I had to start driving,
I've pretty much stopped.
\- I'm not talking about very much. I mean zero. And I'm not
talking about do you knock off a Shakespeare now and them ...
I mean people who dont even read The Da Vinci Code or Michael
Crichton or other "airplane pilp".
Crichton or other "airplane pulp".
\_ When I read, I tend to read classics or books of an
informational nature. Most newer fiction is not for me.
The last book I read was 'Dune' (again) about a year ago.
I am not sure that reading books (especially fiction)
indicates much of anything at our age. I used to read a
lot more when I was younger and had the time. FWIW, I
don't watch TV or go to the movies either. I do read the
newspapers and magazines like 'The Economist' religiously.
BTW, how come your housemate is a 'housemate' when he has a
good degree from a good school? Is he lazy?
\- I'm not suggesting anything about "our age" ... this was
asked on the soda MOTD and I'd think the soda motd has
a marginally higher literacy rate than "our age". Of course
people here are more likely to have the web suck up their
time. And I am not talking about reading but reading
books. A lot of these smart-but-non-readers read the
newspaper and other practical books like the Idiot's
Guide to DVD burning etc.
I dont understand the "why is your housemate a housemate"
part of the question.
\_ What I mean by 'our age' is that a kid who reads a
lot is probably bright (not sure about which is the
cause and which is the effect). I do not think this
is true once you reach adulthood. If someone reads
10 bodice rippers a week does that imply anything about
his or her intellect or lack thereof? 'Number of
books read' by itself is meaningless at this stage of
intellectual development. Someone who reads the NYT
and Wall Street Journal every day is quite likely
doing more for themselves than the bodice ripper
person. As for your housemate, I am wondering why
he doesn't have his own place when he has a graduate
degree from MIT. That sounds rather odd. I'd worry
about that more than about how many books he reads.
\- I was not the one equating "reads" with
intelligence. If anything I was saying that I
found it odd a fair number of pretty intelligent
people *dont* read ... or if you go to their homes
you will not see 10 books. I agree a lot of people
who read pulp somehow think that is supirior to
wantching TV, when they are essentially the same
thing ... and then there are people who watch a
HISTORY CHANNEL show on Rome and think that is
50% of the way to reading R. SYME: THE ROMAN
REVOLUTION when it is closer to like 3%. Re: house-
mate: he owns multiple millions of dollars in
real estate. I can only assume he lets me live here
because of my wit and charm, since he clearly doesnt
need my meagre rent.
\_ I haven't read a book 'for fun' since I graduated several years ago.
Reading is on my 'todo' list but never rises to the top. I have
other things I'd rather be doing or need to be doing.
\_ Interesting. I didn't have time to read at college, but now
that I work I read voraciously.
\_ Before to law school I was reading about 1 book every 2 weeks
or so (mostly non-fiction - science/history/&c.). Now I pretty
much only read my casebooks or related material which amounts
to around 300 pages a week (or more).
\_ I had pretty much stopped reading for pleasure by my junior year as
an undergrad. Then I married a librarian. I read like crazy now
(and keep having to get more bookshelves). -emarkp
\_ Why does being related to a librarian always make people
read more? Is it because they bring home books, or that
they get good recommendations at work, or that they read
a lot themselves and pass the book on, or what? I've known
several sons/daughters of librarians, and they're all
avid readers.
\_ If you didn't love books, you wouldn't become a librarian
\_ Speaking as the son of a librarian, I think the
factors are mostly envionmental. My mother read to
me a lot as a child. There are always books around
the house. We went to the library (as a family)
weekly. We got books as presents. Mom was always
reading books. etc. -jrleek
\_ In my case, she had a lot of great books that I'd never
read. Now we recommend books to each other. -emarkp
\_ No, we're too busy reading motd. =) But seriously, I read newspaper
and website for things that used to be available on printed media.
\_ Sometimes books have a hard time competing for my attention with
all the other stuff there is to do... I don't read as much as I
would have liked. I occasionally get into a mode of reading a number
of books. If I get "stalled" in a book it tends to kill my reading
habit for a while and I'll go play videogames instead or whatever.
I stalled out of a few books lately when I tried reading more
classic literature... I made it halfway through Karamazov before
giving up. Master and Margarita didn't capture me after a partial
attempt. For Whom the Bell Tolls I picked up after really enjoying
The Sun Also Rises, but I kind of trailed off halfway through that
also. I'm 3/4 through The Iliad translated by Robert Fagles, which
doesn't seem as poetic as whatever unknown translation I read
a little bit of in college. And the storyline gets a little bogged
down with the endless battling and slaughter.
I hope to just get those two done and then stick with lighter
stuff for a while. I had fun reading short stories since they
can be done in one sitting. Hard Boiled detective stories and Fritz
Leiber's Lankhmar tales were the latest I read.
Lately I've just been listening to audiobooks while I fall asleep or
over breakfast... at least I get through stuff that way.
\- imho, the iliad is not something you can read without "guidance".
best is to read it in a class with a good teacher, but even
reading a good introduction may be enough. i say this for two
reasons: 1. it is a very "alien" work so you are likely to
arrive at some incorrect interpreations unless you are waved
off [like say with the metrical rather than descrptive function
of the ephithets] 2. it is an amazingly complicated work and
there are some structures/methods that you'll need some
examples pointed out ... after you know what to look for,
there are some structures/methods that you'll need some to be
pointed out ... after you know what to look for,
then you can look for these on your own [like some details of
"ring composition", or the way HELEN is described in the
famous "Teikoskopia"].
\_ You're probably right... this book does have a relatively
long introductory/preface section and appendices etc. and
I did have part of the Iliad as class material at Cal (but
I really bailed on that class and I think the focus was
not on the literature but the mythological ideas). It does
describe at least some of what you're talking about. I have
describe at least some of what you're talking about. I
have to be in the proper mood for it... I also have the
Odyssey from the same guy. I did not compare translations
beforehand so I kind of wonder if I'm missing out on something
But it's hard to say what the "real" approach should be. The
guy of course argues his way best captures the feel. Oh well.
\_ psb is right. It's not just a matter of being in the
'mood,' you need a lot of background on their society, the
way they thought, their entire moral and metaphysical
framework was completely different from ours.
\_ I meant in the mood to enjoy reading it. This motd
stuff got me into it again for now...
\- "moral and metaphysical framework" nicely captures
what is at issue in my first point about the "alieness"
of the "world of odysseus". but the structural elements
unique to oral composition [the parry-lord-parry stuff]
in general or homeric epic in particular [like the
telescoping of the 10 years of the conflict into the
short period covered by the iliad] is a different set
of issues. in fact there is one more, which is the
philological ... like greek language has "aspect"...
but that stuff is beyond me. and i think that has
\_ I wish schoen@@csua would login and post. He would
know more about this I bet. -- ilyas
\- are you a russian? doesnt the russian language
have notoriously difficult aspect in addition to
tense? then this may be easier for you to follow.
the closest i've read to a philology heavy book
is G. Nagy: The Best of the Achaeans. very good.
\_ I think aspect distinctions exist in English,
too. English just lacks a general mechanism.
I don't know how sophisticated greek aspect is
compared to russian aspect. -- ilyas
I didn't know what aspect was, so I found this elucidating: _/
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/G/Gr/Grammatical_aspect.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_aspect
\-yes that was sort of my point. some of this stuff
is not like "oh yes the clever boy in the english
class got more out of reading Ozymandias than i
did" ... there is no hope you will get some of this
stuff because it just doesnt exist in your brain,
it's not a matter of insight and figuruing it out.
diminishing returns for a "normal person". i note that
even 5th cent BC athens is much less "alien" and
easier to understand. with some exceptions like the
Oresteia.
\-BTW, I like the Lattimore trans the most probably
but I think Fitzgerald and Fagles are reasonable.
\-BTW, I like the Lattimore trans the most, but
I think Fitzgerald and Fagles are reasonable.
Perhaps the 100s of pages of Fagles cant compare
to the "highlights" you remember from college.
if you want to really go for the poetic one, look
at the pope translation. not user-friendly, tho.
FACTOID: T.E. Lawrence (of Arabia) did a prose
trans. of the Iliad and Odyssey.
\_ That may have been it; I will look into it next time
I'm in a book place. There are a couple of passages
I will know it by. I found Pope online and this too:
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?lookup=Hom.+Il.+1.1
That last version has some ridiculous (IMO)
Shakespeare dialogue like "wherefore art thou" that
seems out of place. The Fagles stuff is certainly
very readable; I guess it seems too casual at times.
\- Butler->ass
\- Butler -> ass |
| 2005/6/17-20 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:38168 Activity:nil |
6/17 What are the pros and cons for upgrading to Win Media 10? I'm
pretty happy with 9 and I'm hesitant to upgrade anything M$
\_ I think Win Media Player 10 came with a new codec which you
might need in the future. Personally, I find v9 to v10 is
not as painful as v6 to v7, as v9 is pretty bloated at first
place. |
| 2005/6/17-18 [Transportation/PublicTransit] UID:38169 Activity:moderate |
6/17 In response to this:
"Speaking as someone who gets around without a car,
you're wrong. The combined Bay Area transit miasma
is one of the most expensive and least effective
systems in the country, and it shows no signs of
abating as the biggest, most expensive, and least
effective part of it (BART) keeps sucking up
all the mind share and funding. Woo hoo, a billion
dollars for an extension to Warm Springs, that'll
help! -tom"
See "BART named #1 Transit System in U.S."
http://www.bart.gov/news/features/features20040824.asp
\_ The APTA awards are self-nominated and self-congratulatory; they
mean nothing. -tom
\_ Reference please?
\_ http://www.apta.com/services/awards.
And your above URL, which lauds BART's airport extension
that came in 2 years late, more than a billion dollars
over budget, and has less than half the ridership BART
was projecting. -tom
\_ $1 billion over budget? WHat was the budget?
Although, since it's basically the only part of BART I
ride regularly, I like it anyway.
\_ The budget was originally $1.2 billion. Actually,
if I recall correctly the budget was $700 million for
a multi-modal station west of 101, where you'd get
the monorail, but BART insisted on going directly
to the airport, which had an estimated cost of $500
million more, and made the trip slower. And it
wound up costing over $2 billion. -tom
\_ Hmm, people think BART sucks because they don't ride it,
and people don't ride BART because they think it sucks.
\_ People ride BART when it's an easy hop from it to their
destination, and when their destination has high parking
or toll costs. Other than that, its integration with
the rest of public transport, and the imbalance in funds
making for lower quality in the rest of public transport
makes BART suck.
\_ Hmm, people think BART sucks because people don't ride it,
and people don't ride BAR because they think BART sucks.
and people don't ride BART because they think it sucks.
\_ I see many bus lines stopping at every BART station.
SF MUNI's light rail also stops at BART stations.
And there are free BART shuttles to employers. (I
used to take the one going from Hayward to Foster
City.) How is it not integrated with the rest of
public transport? Suggestions for improvement?
\_ Take a trip to Singapore and experience the
MRT system. They use a single RFID card to
deduct money each time you enter and leave
a train station or bus anywhere in Singapore.
That doesn't work with BART,MUNI, AC Transit
Cal Train, etc.
\- SINGAPORE IS THE STANDARD:
http://home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/Singapore/StandardCard12.jpg
Of course there is also this aspect of SIN:
http://home.lbl.gov:8080/~psb/Singapore/ForeignWorker34.jpg
\_ There is no "transit pass"; if you want to take
AC Transit to BART to MUNI you need to pay three
different times. BART, when partnering with
other transit agencies, insists on BART service
being offered at something like 90% of full price,
which makes monthly passes pointless. -tom
\_ That is not the way politics works. BART is nice
so more middle class people ride transit, so more
money is allocated to transit overall. The money
would go to freeways instead.
\_ Obviously, this hasn't worked, as nearly
all the money which goes to "transit" goes
straight down BART's money pit. Been to
Warm Springs lately? -tom
\_ NYC's MTA won the same award in 2001.
\_ I was there in 2000 and I didn't like MTA at all.
Trains are slow, mainly because they stop every two
blocks all the way from Coney Island until
Manhattan. Seats are not very comfortable. Stations
are dirty and ugly, water leaking from the ceilings
in some underground stations. I thought BART was so much
better than that.
\_ Exactly. The award means nothing.
\_ BART was designed by people who think public transit
should be like Disneyland. -tom
\_ OOC, if you were designing public transit, how would you
do it? --dbushong
\_ UBAHN! The TUBE! There are successful models the
whole world over. We'd rather subsidize the auto
industry than have good public transit.
\_ The Tube? The Londoners I know bitch about the
Underground every goddamn day. It's really just
grass-is-greener syndrome, they have no idea
how good they have it.
\_ I would be a lot more careful about things like
survey results and customer satisfaction. Cushy
chairs may increase customer satisfaction, but if
they don't increase ridership, the money spent on
cushy chairs should be spent somewhere else.
I would build in incentives to use the system
a lot (monthly passes at significant discounts).
I would build it so transit users are prioritized
over auto drivers (instead of transit users
subsidizing thousands of free parking spaces as
they do on BART). I would notice that the most
successful stations are the ones that are located
in neighberhoods, not the ones that are located
in the middle of acres of parking lots. I would
use standard rail (unlike BART) to allow for
flexibility in use of the right-of-way, and lower
build and replacement costs. For long-haul runs,
I would use trains which are fast. I would
make runs like Dublin to Bay Fair short shuttles,
rather than redesign the entire schedule (poorly)
just because two stations were added.
For example. -tom
\_ I was there in 1999 and thought it worked pretty well, but I
was only in Manhattan/Staten Island. I rode VTA (mostly bus)
and CalTrain in the south bay in 1997-2000 and it was
miserable.
\_ that's nice. tom is still right. |
| 2005/6/17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:38170 Activity:kinda low 63%like:38179 |
6/17 I've read the Lancet study (Oct 2004) and it does seem to have some
problems. In particular:
- the "100,000 dead" number comes from a 95% conficence interval
spanning 8,000 to 194,000. Pretty big range there.
- "Interviewers were initially reluctant to ask to see death
certificates because this might have implied they did not believe the
respondents, perhaps triggering violence. Thus, a compromise was
reached for which interviewers would attempt to confirm at least two
deaths per cluster."
- "We think it is unlikely that deaths were falsely recorded.
Interviewers also believed that in the Iraqi culture it was unlikely
for respondents to fabricate deaths.
"It is possible that deaths were not reported, because families might
wish to conceal the death or because neonatal deaths might go without
mention."
- "When violent deaths were attributed to a faction in the conflict or
to criminal forces, no further investigation into the death was made
to respect the privacy of the family and for the safety of the
interviewers.
- "Of these, two were attributed to anti-coalition forces, two were of
unknown origin, seven were criminal murders, and one was from the
previous regime during the invasion."
This suggests that violent crime was mixed in with war-related deaths.
- The slate article (http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887 that criticizes
the study points right to the biggest problem: the cluster
reassignments:
"During September, 2004, many roads were not under the control of the
Government of Iraq or coalition forces. Local police checkpoints
were perceived by team members as target identification screens for
rebel groups. To lessen risks to investigators, we sought to minimise
travel distances and the number of Governorates to visit, while still
sampling from all regions of the country. We did this by clumping
pairs of Governorates."
So their random sample is reduced dramatically.
Like all statistial analyses, the results can be hugely varied
depending on methodology. I see the Lancet study as seriously flawed
and the claim of 100,000 extra dead invalid. See the slate article
for a link to the .pdf of the study and read it yourself. -emarkp
\_ emarkp, i think you need to be a little less verbose.
\_ So does the Lancet when they're making up numbers. etc. -emarkp
\_ the death amount is 40k to 150k at a 85% confidence interval
and 60k to 120k at a 75% confidence interval. The report did
not claim that all ~100k were killed by American action, on the
contrary, many were known to have died due to the unstable
security situation. If the study is so flawed, why doesn't anyone
else do one to debunk it. We know the Pentagon has its own
numbers, why don't they release them?
\_ I think these numbers: http://www.iraqbodycount.net
are more reliable. -emarkp |
| 2005/6/17-18 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic] UID:38171 Activity:nil |
6/16 Red Cross joins AI:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1292692/posts
\_ What are they talking about? The report last year?
God, freepers are unintelligible
\_ I think he is saying that the Red Cross has joined
Amnesty International in stating that the prison
conditions for terror suspects is less than humane.
\_ And is there some new story? Or is this moaning about
the report from last year?
\_ I think it is just moaning. The best thing to do
is to ignore the weirdos (on both sides) and hope
they will get bored and go away. |
| 2005/6/17-18 [Recreation/Humor] UID:38172 Activity:nil |
6/16 Heh, political cartoon about "Live 8"
http://www.filibustercartoons.com
\_ Just curious, does this site get a lot of play on freeper?
\_ I have no idea. I don't read free republic I think this
site is funny, so I check it regularly. -op
\_ With all due respect, I find it about as informed and
funny, in its intended sense, as freeper.
\_ That's fine, don't read it. Political cartoons are
rarely funny to everybody. You notice I didn't post
it as an IP address to try and fool you or something.
\_ And I appreciate that, I truly do. |
| 2005/6/17-18 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:38173 Activity:nil 80%like:38177 |
6/17 And now we learn that we lied about napalm use in iraq
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=647397
\_ Oh no! We used a weapon in war!?! Next time we shoudl limit
ourselves to just harsh words. Then we can expect the enemy to
honor the same code and limit themselves as well. |
| 2005/6/17-18 [Reference/Law/Court] UID:38174 Activity:nil |
6/17 Okay, wait, lemme see if I got this straight. A lesbian couple in
Vermont gets a civil union. Later, they get a divorce. An entirely
unrelated heterosexual married couple in Iowa then SUES the couple for
harming their marriage? HUH? Have we entered BIZARRO-WORLD?!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050617/ap_on_re_us/lesbian_divorce
\_ I read this and didn't see a single mention of vermont. Granted,
it's still a retarded case and thus a funny article.
\_ "[...] The two were joined in March 2002 in Bolton, Vt.,
according to Brown's divorce petition."
\_ Welcome to the country of lawsuits. |
| 2005/6/17-20 [Computer/SW/OS/VM] UID:38175 Activity:nil |
6/17 I'm trying to use VMware Tools to "shrink" my Fedora Core 3 partition.
Note that VMware "shrink" means to claim space not used by the
vm so that the host will have extra space. This is important
because when you create a big file in VMware and then delete it,
the host still keeps the big file and wastes space. My problem is
that VMware tool only recognizes /boot as something that is
shrinkable while it doesn't know anything about /.
How do I shink /? The following is df -k if you're curious:
/dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00
81892056 4168044 73564116 6% /
/dev/sda1 101086 12286 83581 13% /boot
\_ ext{2,3}resize, then run VMware tools? |
| 2005/6/17-20 [Computer/Networking] UID:38176 Activity:nil |
6/17 Dumb question, in Linux, how do you find out your current IP?
\_ ifconfig
\_ nslookup <hostname> |
| 2005/6/17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:38177 Activity:nil 80%like:38173 |
6/17 And now we learn that we lied about napalm use in fallujah
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=647397 |
| 2005/6/17 [Recreation/Dating] UID:38178 Activity:nil |
6/17 What's your favorite hobby? (no ref to sex, please)
\_ Yermom.
\_ Yermom jokes.
\_ \"sex"
\_ &sex |
| 2005/6/17 [Reference/Military, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:38179 Activity:high 63%like:38170 |
6/17 [Hey, I was challenged to read this. I did and here are my comments.
Please don't delete it for at least a day or so.]
I've read the Lancet study (Oct 2004) and it does seem to have some
problems. In particular:
- the "100,000 dead" number comes from a 95% conficence interval
spanning 8,000 to 194,000. Pretty big range there.
- "Interviewers were initially reluctant to ask to see death
certificates because this might have implied they did not believe the
respondents, perhaps triggering violence. Thus, a compromise was
reached for which interviewers would attempt to confirm at least two
deaths per cluster."
- "We think it is unlikely that deaths were falsely recorded.
Interviewers also believed that in the Iraqi culture it was unlikely
for respondents to fabricate deaths.
"It is possible that deaths were not reported, because families might
wish to conceal the death or because neonatal deaths might go without
mention."
- "When violent deaths were attributed to a faction in the conflict or
to criminal forces, no further investigation into the death was made
to respect the privacy of the family and for the safety of the
interviewers.
- "Of these, two were attributed to anti-coalition forces, two were of
unknown origin, seven were criminal murders, and one was from the
previous regime during the invasion."
This suggests that violent crime was mixed in with war-related deaths.
- The slate article (http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887 that criticizes
the study points right to the biggest problem: the cluster
reassignments:
"During September, 2004, many roads were not under the control of the
Government of Iraq or coalition forces. Local police checkpoints
were perceived by team members as target identification screens for
rebel groups. To lessen risks to investigators, we sought to minimise
travel distances and the number of Governorates to visit, while still
sampling from all regions of the country. We did this by clumping
pairs of Governorates."
So their random sample is reduced dramatically.
Like all statistial analyses, the results can be hugely varied
depending on methodology. I see the Lancet study as seriously flawed
and the claim of 100,000 extra dead invalid. See the slate article
for a link to the .pdf of the study and read it yourself. -emarkp
\- for a long comment like this, why dont you put a link to
~ping/lancet.blurb. people can put short followups here.
I've read the Lancet study (Oct 2004) and it does seem to have some
problems. In particular:
\- Why dont you move long comments like to an external file?
- the "100,000 dead" number comes from a 95% conficence interval
spanning 8,000 to 194,000. Pretty big range there.
- "Interviewers were initially reluctant to ask to see death
certificates because this might have implied they did not believe the
respondents, perhaps triggering violence. Thus, a compromise was
reached for which interviewers would attempt to confirm at least two
deaths per cluster."
- "We think it is unlikely that deaths were falsely recorded.
Interviewers also believed that in the Iraqi culture it was unlikely
for respondents to fabricate deaths.
"It is possible that deaths were not reported, because families might
wish to conceal the death or because neonatal deaths might go without
mention."
- "When violent deaths were attributed to a faction in the conflict or
to criminal forces, no further investigation into the death was made
to respect the privacy of the family and for the safety of the
interviewers.
- "Of these, two were attributed to anti-coalition forces, two were of
unknown origin, seven were criminal murders, and one was from the
previous regime during the invasion."
This suggests that violent crime was mixed in with war-related deaths.
- The slate article (http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887 that criticizes
the study points right to the biggest problem: the cluster
reassignments:
"During September, 2004, many roads were not under the control of the
Government of Iraq or coalition forces. Local police checkpoints
were perceived by team members as target identification screens for
rebel groups. To lessen risks to investigators, we sought to minimise
travel distances and the number of Governorates to visit, while still
sampling from all regions of the country. We did this by clumping
pairs of Governorates."
So their random sample is reduced dramatically.
Like all statistial analyses, the results can be hugely varied
depending on methodology. I see the Lancet study as seriously flawed
and the claim of 100,000 extra dead invalid. See the slate article
for a link to the .pdf of the study and read it yourself. -emarkp
\_ emarkp, i think you need to be a little less verbose.
\_ So does the Lancet when they're making up numbers. etc. -emarkp
\_ the death amount is 40k to 150k at a 85% confidence interval
and 60k to 120k at a 75% confidence interval. The report did
not claim that all ~100k were killed by American action, on the
contrary, many were known to have died due to the unstable
security situation. If the study is so flawed, why doesn't anyone
else do one to debunk it. We know the Pentagon has its own
numbers, why don't they release them?
\_ I think these numbers: http://www.iraqbodycount.net
are more reliable. -emarkp
\_"Our maximum therefore refers to reported deaths - which
can only be a sample of true deaths unless one assumes that
every civilian death has been reported. It is likely that
many if not most civilian casualties will go unreported by
the media. That is the sad nature of war." -FAQ from that
site. So they are a very reliable count of what they are
counting, which is known to be an underestimate of the
total number of people killed.
\_ Unless deaths are over reported. -emarkp |
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6/17 Bill O'Reilly's Videogate
http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000195.htm |
| 2005/6/17-20 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:38181 Activity:nil |
6/17 What's a good way to learn about Linux build, modules (insmod, lsmod,
etc), how to compile, how to add/subtract stuff, grub, differences
between a *.o and a *.ko module, significance of
/lib/mmodules/<version>/kernel/* ? Thanks. -newbie
\_ Pick one that looks fun, start playing with it, break it, reinstall
it, ask someone where the manuals are, try to figure out your
answers from there, then don't hesitate to ask stupid questions,
look at http://www.linux.org/dist for info on various distros,
find a project that looks interesting on sourceforge, download it,
try to compile it, look at http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner ,
ask more stupid questions, use google a lot. Have fun. -John |
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