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2005/6/10-11 [Recreation/Music] UID:38069 Activity:high
6/9     Previously unknown Bach aria found:
        http://edition.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/08/bach.ap/index.html
        \_ Nice except most Amerikaners don't know the difference between an
           aria and a sonata. Heck most people don't even know the difference
                      \_ One's a Hyundai, or something.
           between Baroque, Classical, and Romantic music. And they certainly
           don't know the difference between Bach and Rach(maninoff). How
           pathetic can they get? The only culture they ever get is from
           eating yogurt, and maybe some culture from unfiltered beer while
           watching football and basketball games, while waiving
           patriotic Amerikan flags and praising George W. Bush.
           \_ I bet you don't know what the difference between
              synecdoche and metonomy is either off the top of your head.
                             \_ metonymy?
              Or for a closer reference, you probably don't know the
              difference between bebop and jazz.
              Oh no, you're a chimp!
              \_ You've been trolled. Not very smart are you?
              \- E_RATCHET
              \_ If I hear it on 91.1 and it gives me headache, it's bebop.  If
                 I hear it on 91.1 but no headache, it's jazz. :-)
           \_ I think you are trolling but do you really think in order
              to appreciate a musical composition you need this sort of
              knowledge? (I'm not sure, but wasn't a lot of "classical"
              music original designed for a lay audience who wouldn't
              have had this type of knowledge - no more so than the ave.
              NASCAR fan of today)
           \_ I think you are trolling but do you really think this
              knowledge really relevant in order to appreciate a
              musical composition?
              \_ "Classical" music was generally commissioned by either the
                 monied class or the church.  Joe Q Laborer wouldn't be going
                 to the concert hall, but if he was lucky there was a good
                 organist at his church.  "Classical," though, in your usage
                 here, would cover a long period of time.  In fact, Bach is
                 baroque.
                 \_ The classifications into Baroque, Classical and Romantic
                    is based on the century in which the composer lived right?
                    Baroque is something like early 1700s, Classical is late
                    1700s/early 1800s and Romantic is 1800s right?
                    I don't really know/care, but I can't really figure out
                    I'd don't really know/care, but I can't really figure out
                    how knowing this particular piece of trivia makes the
                    music more beautiful.
                    \_ Baroque, classical, and romantic music aren't
                       partitioned arbitrarily by the time of composition
                       as you suggested.  There are quite distinct stylistic
                       differences.
           \_ BART aria?  What?
              \_ There's this really annoying hippy chick that walks up and
                 down the length of BART trains going through the transbay
                 tube at commute hours.  She waves around a cup spare changing
                 while singing scales at extremely high volume.  What's weird
                 is that I've seen her do it three or four times now, and
                 she always gets lots of money - it seems like there's always
                 a bunch of suckers who think its some kind of spontaneous
                 display of creativity.  I guess that would qualify as a "BART
                 aria."
                 \_ It's also possible they just think she's insane.
                    \_ "Do not offer sympathy to the mentally ill."
                        - WS Burroughs
2005/6/10-12 [Transportation/Car, Recreation/Stripclub] UID:38070 Activity:low
6/10    it looks like Los Alamos man made it all up to cover
        running over someone in the parking lot of a strip club
        http://tinyurl.com/alsw9 - danh
        \_ Well, you know, I was really wondering why whistleblowers would
           decide to meet in a STRIP club.  Really sounds like something
           you'd say to throw your wife off.
        \_ ok, wow, that makes more sense now
           I guess I've been seen The Insider too many times
           I guess I've seen The Insider too many times
        \_ Where is the Freeper link to this? I won't believe it until
           I read it in the Free Republic.
           \_ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1419964/posts
2005/6/10-13 [Uncategorized] UID:38071 Activity:nil
6/10    DIY Stormtrooper Costume:
        http://www.studiocreations.com/howto/stormtrooper
2005/6/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38072 Activity:moderate
6/10    A case made of fans (from /., in case you're not reading that):
        http://www.peteredge.orcon.net.nz/casepics.htm
        \_ What is it with /. and their obsession with running Linux on
           unusual devices and stuffing cheap PCs into unusual cases?
           \_ In the world of honda civics and other run of the mill cars
              it's called "ricing".  as in riceboy.
              \_ Is it just me, or does this whole "rice burner" term smack of
                 racism?
                 \_ Vin Diesel in The Fast and the Furious is not Asian.
                 \_ Only if you think the fact that asians consume lots of rice
                    is racist.
                    \_ Don't be stupid.
                 \_ It does.  So?  -John
2005/6/10-13 [Health] UID:38073 Activity:nil
6/10    "We were doing drugs in the dressing room when suddenly the tour
        manager stuck his head round the door and said: 'The Police are here'.
        We all panicked and threw our drugs down the toilet. And then Sting,
        Andy Summers and Stuart Copeland walked in."
                --Ronny Wood, Rolling Stones
2005/6/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38074 Activity:low
6/10    http://csua.org/u/cbk (wapo)
        Finally, we drive that final nail in the coffin of the
        libidinous, treasonous PBS.
        \_ Oh, I read that as treasonous PSB.
        \_ Oh, I read that as  libidinous, treasonous PSB.
        \_ Less PBS funding, less children's shows that promote diversity.
           Translation: Less PBS funding, less toxic exposure to my kids on
           topics such as faggots and AIDS. This is definitely good news for
           the Religious Right. All Heil GWB, bring them on, and God Bless.
           \_ Yeah, because Sesame Street was the prime target.  Sure.  Please
              apply for the job below, because you seem to be qualified.
              \_ Would it make it better if SS _were_ the prime target?
                 \_ No.  Though SS has declined dramatically in quality in the
                    last 5+ years, it's not exactly leftwing drivel.
        \_ Oh, I read that as treasonous PBS.
                    \_ So to what, other than Bill Moyers (who may be leftwing
                       but to call drivel is your own failing), would you
                       object?
                       \_ There is too much left wing drivel on public
                          broadcasting. They got all these brit shows like
                          Red Dwarf, HG2G, Antiques Roadshow, etc. They
                          need to put on more quality programming like
                          the 700 Club. I mean, Dr. Who is definitely
                          gay and that whole Tardis thing is just obviously
                          phallic.
                          \_ I want to think this is a troll, but since it's
                             williamc, i'm never quite sure.
                             \_ No, it's not a flame, we're all serious here.
                                Especially you. Down with Wall Street Weekly!
                                \_ It's cute when you try to be funny. :-P
        \_ Wasn't this just about the dumbest thing the Republicans could have
           done, politically?  I mean, what with all this hugely wasteful
           billion-dollar pork everywhere and a trillion-dollar war that nobody
           wants, they decide to kill a very popular and very visible $500M
           program in the name of "cutting costs."  Way to go guys, I hope
           you enjoy President Hillary.
           \_ Hillary is unelectable. Come on, after the previous election,
              it's clear that this kind of stuff doesn't sway enough votes.
              They vote on gay marriage and stuff, and how the candidates
              look. I guess it all depends on what candidate the pubs come
              up with next time.
              \_ Rudy?
              \_ Powell?
                 \_ jeah right!
              \_ McCain
                 \_ Destroyer of the 1st amendment.
                    \_ Could you give a reference or some context for that?
                       I'm not as savvy about McCain as I'd like to be. -mice
                       \_ Think "McCain-Feingold" restrictions on political
                          speech.  As in "congress shall make no law..."
                    \_ Huh?
        \_ The votes of the republicans on that sub-committee do not reflect
           the opinions of many republicans.  Personally I feel that PBS is
           the most unbiased source of information currently available (I'm
           mainly speaking of things like the NewsHour, Nova and Frontline)
           on television.
           \- for the cockroaches in power, "fiat lux" is not especially
              desirable ... like televised hearings on judges, john bolton
              etc. and when they want to be on TV, its easy enough for them
              to get airtime. --treasonous psb
2005/6/10-12 [Industry/Jobs] UID:38075 Activity:low
6/10    Job opening at the White House, Media division. Job description:
        "The White House is seeking a dynamic marketing candidate to manage
        our Media and Relationship division. Consider this excellent
        opportunity to grow with our team. Responsibilities include
        providing leadership and vision to our team success, recruit and
        train media personnel, execute an effective sales and marketing
        strategy, and to market ideas that retroactively justify our war
        on Iraq. We offer a competitive compensation package, health,
        dental, 401K, ESPP, as well as an atmosphere conducive to
        achieving excellence. Submit resumes to: marketing@whitehouse.gov"
        \_ Is there a link to this?
        \_ Nice try.  White House doesn't issue stocks, hence no ESPP.  Unless
           you're talking about http://whitehouse.com which may issue stocks, but then
           you're not according to the e-mail address.  401(k) is not for govt.
           employees.
           \_ Probably not the case @ the White House, but how's this work
              with govt. contractors?  -John
           \_ Haven't you heard?  The gov't's been for sale now for a long
              time.
2005/6/10-13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38076 Activity:nil
6/10    A top congressional Democratic supporter of U.S. action in Iraq said
        Thursday that President Bush should make a nationally televised speech
        and "level with the American people" about the long road ahead there.
        Faced with declining public support, Bush needs to tell Americans "it's
        going to take a lot more time ... at least through the end of 2006"
        ... after finding "a total disconnect" between the situation in Iraq
        and optimistic statements by Bush and his top aides. ...
        Premature withdrawal "in my view would be a disaster ..."
        http://csua.org/u/cbj (Dallas Morning News)
        \_ With Bush's approval rating at 43 percent, is it time for a Carter
           style "crisis of confidence" speech?  Anyone wanna start a pool?
           \_ Time to start another war!
           \_ Hey, Gallup says he's been 48 +/- 2 percent since April!
              And Gallup was right on the money for the 2004 election.
              Don't forget this is a country where 67% say religion is very,
              extremely, or the most important thing in their lives.
              \_ I'm not sure this is as bad as you think.  Even if you're just
                 an "Easter Sunday Christian", you know in your guilty heart
                 because it's been drilled into you that it's the MOST important
                 thing in your life.  So if someone asks you directly in a
                 survey, I think you might be likely to say it is, even if you
                 don't live accordingly or even particularly agree with most
                 of its tenets.
                 because it's been drilled into you that it's the MOST
                 important thing in your life.  So if someone asks you
                 directly in a survey, I think you might be likely to say it
                 is, even if you don't live accordingly or even particularly
                 agree with most of its tenets.
              \_ Um, no. Gallup had Bush at 45% in April, the lowest for
                 any second term President ever.
                 \_ Curiously, Chirac's approval rating is at 20+%. -- ilyas
2005/6/10-13 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:38077 Activity:kinda low
6/10    Frustrated U.S. soldiers question the Iraqis' courage, discipline and
        dedication and wonder whether they will ever be able to fight on their
        own, much less reach the U.S. military's goal of operating
        independently by the fall.
        "I know the party line. You know, the Department of Defense, the U.S.
        Army, five-star generals, four-star generals, President Bush, Donald
        Rumsfeld: The Iraqis will be ready in whatever time period," said 1st
        Lt. Kenrick Cato, 34, of Long Island, N.Y., the executive officer of
        McGovern's company, who sold his share in a database firm to join the
        military full time after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. "But from the
        ground, I can say with certainty they won't be ready before I leave.
        And I know I'll be back in Iraq, probably in three or four years. And
        I don't think they'll be ready then."  http://csua.org/u/cbi (Post)
        \_ No one except liberals read and believe in the Post.
           Nevertheless, this is a pretty interesting article. Too bad it'll
           just get dismissed by GWB, Cheney, Fox News, and NeoRepublicans
           because it doesn't show what they want to hear.
           \_ Shrug, I'll tell my O'Reilly-watching little brother who's
              coming back from Basic Training in Ft. Benning.  If he doesn't
              believe it, he'll find out soon -- or maybe he'll tell me the
              opposite six months from now, if he's still alive.
              \_ Why tell him?  I mean, if he goes, he'll find out
                 himself.  It's a little late for him to do anything about
                 it now.  Why depress him before hand?
                 \_ What would you do if it were your brother?  Don't tell me
                    "isn't it obvious".  Sleep on it.
                    "isn't it obvious".  Sleep on it before coming back.
                    \_ If I couldn't bear to be supportive, at least I
                       wouldn't be a jerk about it.  If I understand the
                       situation correctly, he's already in.  That means
                       he CAN'T LEAVE.  He's already promised.  Even if
                       you succeeded in convincing him that it's a bad
                       idea, he still has to go.  All your bugging him
                       everytime you seem is gonna do is make him dislike
                       YOU.  Not to meantion, bad morale is a big troop
                       killer.  I don't know why you're so interested in
                       being right you have to try to turn it into a
                       self-fulfilling prophecy.  Or maybe i misunderstood
                       the situation.
                       \_ I asked about you, not me.  It's obvious you
                          misunderstood that part.
                          \_ Huh?  Maybe so, I sure don't know what you
                             mean by this.  To paraphrase above, "If it
                             were my brother, I wouldn't keep bugging
                             him."  I then went on to explain why.
                             \_ So, you wouldn't tell him that troops on
                                the ground think it will take longer than
                                anticipated to train the Iraqi army, maybe
                                as long as 4 years?
                                You would let him "find out himself" if he
                                goes?
                                Yes or no, please.
                                goes?  Yes or no, please.
                                \_ Unless it comes up in casual
                                   conversation, I probably wouldn't.  No.
                                   Basically, I can't see any value in
                                   constantly rehashing political battles
                                   like this.  Especially ones that can
                                   only have negative effect.  If you
                                   bring it up, it's just going to look
                                   like you can't stand not getting in
                                   the last word.
                                   \_ Please also note that nowhere in my post
                                   \_ Please note that nowhere in my post
                                      did I say I would "convince him it's a
                                      bad idea" or indicate that I made the
                                      assumption that he could get out.  Nor
                                      did I indicate I would be "rehashing
                                      political battles".  The rest of your
                                      statements about me rest on these
                                      assumptions.
                                      Obviously, you did not sleep on it like
                                      I suggested, or you wouldn't have made
                                      all these mistaken assumptions.
                                      \_ Well, I've read your previous
                                         posts.  It's pretty obvious you
                                         he listens to O'Reilly, and you
                                         try to convince him he's wrong.
                                         What other value could starting
                                         conversations about Iraq with him
                                         have?  Please enlighten me.
                                         \_ Sorry, but the one thing I won't
                                            be doing is "try to convince him
                                            he's wrong".
                                            Instead of making these
                                            assumptions about what I think,
                                            it's a lot easier to just ask:
                                            "Are you still trying to convince
                                            him he's wrong?"
                                            Then I would say, "Wrong
                                            about what?  What are you talking
                                            about?  He can't get out, he's
                                            already signed up.  It doesn't
                                            matter if Iraq is 'wrong' or not,
                                            when it applies to the question of
                                            his living through it."
                                            Had you just asked before assuming,
                                            you would have saved a lot of
                                            motd posts.
                                            And then maybe you might realize
                                            what my number one goal in talking
                                            with him about Iraq is, which
                                            I'll let you figure out if you
                                            haven't already.  Hint:  It's not
                                            trying to "convince him he's
                                            wrong".  Hint 2:  What I tell him
                                            about the original topic in this
                                            thread will only be a tiny part of
                                            what I have been telling him since
                                            he signed up.
                                            \_ You're saying you're trying
                                               to "prepare him before he
                                               goes?"  Since I have no way
                                               of knowing most of what
                                               you've been "telling him
                                               since he signed up."
                                               \_ Why don't you just say:
                                                  "Oops, I made all these
                                                  assumptions about what you
                                                  think which turned out to
                                                  be wrong."
                                                  \_ Because now I'm
                                                     curious what you WERE
                                                     trying to say.
                                                     \_ Okay, then mostly I
                                                        tell him to get behind
                                                        cover when he's getting
                                                        shot at, don't be a
                                                        hero - live to fight
                                                        another day, and to pay
                                                        attention to his
                                                        training, in addition
                                                        to, don't be surprised
                                                        if the war takes 3+
                                                        more years.
                                                        Oh, I also told him
                                                        what SNAFU stands for
                                                        and its origins.
                                                        He was pretty surprised
                                                        to hear from my other
                                                        brother that he might
                                                        need to buy his own
                                                        body armor.
                                                        \_ Then I admit my
                                                           mistake. Sorry.
                                                           \_ He was pretty
                                                            surprised to hear
                                                            from my other
                                                            brother that he
                                                            might need to buy
                                                            his own body armor.
           \_ [you really didn't want to read all that did you?]
        \_ anything short of a fully Islamic fundamentalist government will
           fail in Iraq
           \_ Shia or Sunni? Their fundamentalists are like oil and water.
2005/6/10 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:38078 Activity:nil
6/10    I'm trying to write my own Java properties file reader so that I
        can get something similar to C's #include macro, but I'm having
        problems getting the properties back from System.getProperty().
        For example, I'll call System.getProperty("foo") and get null
        back, but printing out all properties (via
        System.getProperties().list(System.out) ) clearly shows "foo=bar"
        in the output.  I've tried loading the file using different
        charset names (ascii, utf8, several other usual suspects) but that
        hasn't helped.  Has anyone seen something like this before?  TIA.
2005/6/10-13 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:38079 Activity:nil
6/10    Does anyone else have this Outlook problem?  Once a while the fonts in
        the HTML messages in my Inbox becomes very big.  Then if I go to other
        messages and then go back to those HTML messages later, the fonts will
        become normal again.  Rich-text and plain-text messages don't have this
        problem.  Thx.
2005/6/10-13 [Uncategorized] UID:38080 Activity:nil
6/10    Awesome.  I just found the following ad in my work's classifieds:
        Wanted: Extras to play stormtroopers in my Star Wars themed
        wedding.  I can supply uniforms.
        \_ Aren't you a little short for a groom?
           \_ aren't you a little short for yermom?
2005/6/10-11 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:38081 Activity:nil
6/10    <fixed my own java properties file bug>
2005/6/10-13 [Recreation/Pets] UID:38082 Activity:nil
6/10    Pictures of stuff on top of cats.
        http://www.stuffonmycat.com
        \_ I think this stuff encourages cruelty. Like that cat-scanning
           thing from a while back.
           \_ Oh please, cruelty to cats doesn't need to be encouraged.
        \_ I can't get this page to load - do they have anything cool
           on top of a cat, like say a CAR?
           \_ Dammit, bandwidth limit exceeded.  Looks like the cats were
              too cute for their own good.
              \_ It's back, as of 6/12
2005/6/10-13 [Uncategorized] UID:38083 Activity:nil
6/10    Help.  More and more websites are being designed to defeat Firefox's
        popup blocking.  Is there anything that can be done besides "Don't
        visit those sites" ?
        \_ install the AdBlock extension.  -tom
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