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| 2005/6/8-9 [Recreation/Dating] UID:38029 Activity:moderate |
6/7 Other than Miami Vice for men and Flashdance for women, what
are things you can go as to an 80s Party? Low effort is better,
so not Michael Jackson.
\_ Hello. Christian Zombie Vampires? Duh.
\_ MacGyver, Face or Murdock (aka Lt. Barkley) from the A-Team
\_ Is there anything distinctive about their dress?
\_ Murdock always wore a baseball cap, a bomber jacket
and converse high tops.
MacGyver and Face dressed pretty normally - you said
low effort.
You could for Mr. T who always wore overalls and gold
chains.
Another possibility - McFly from Back To the Future.
\_ Gordon Gecko
\_ Is a punk rocker 80s? Torn black t-shirt, ripped jeans,
boots?
\_ Hi Paolo!
\_ Is a punk rocker 80s? Torn black t-shirt, ripped jeans, boots?
\_ heavy-metal ... think GnR, Iron Maiden, etc.
\_ Just buy a skinny tie and you are all set.
\_ Big-suit David Byrne (Stop Making Sense)
Madonna if she's got the bust for it (Like a Virgin)
\_ not low effort, but fun: teenage mutant ninja turtle
\_ You could get a blue sheet and a white cloth marker and go as
the C-64 bootup screen.
\_ Just make sure you have huge piles of blow.
\_ Billy Idol
\_ Air Jodans, ripped stone washed jeans and a leather jacket.
\_ Air Jodans, ripped stone washed jeans and a leather bomber jacket.
\_ Michael Douglass, greedy wallstreet businessman
\_ see Gordon Gecko above.
\_ Reagan, Thatcher, or Gorby
\_ No one mentioned Boy George or Cindy Lauper!
\_ Greased back hair, pastel polo shirt with collar turned up,
acid washed jeans, loafers, gay aviator shades. -John |
| 2005/6/8-9 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol, Recreation/Food] UID:38030 Activity:nil |
6/7 Has anybody been to Cafe Jacqueline in SF? Is it a reasonable
first date restaurant or is it a little over the top for a 1D?
Also does the menu work with 2 people or best with more? OK TNX.
\_ It's reasonable. But it's pretty expensive. It is best for
2 people since some souffles are two-person serving. I ended
up paying over $60 per person for two meal souffles and one
dessert souffle (no wine, no appetizers). I didn't think it
was worth the price. The restaurant itself didn't look fancy,
but something too fancy could be intimidating for a 1st date. |
| 2005/6/8-9 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:38031 Activity:high |
6/7 Someone asked this question a while ago on the motd.
The longest lasting republic in history was the city-state of
Venice (at around 1000 years). At the height of its power it
waged successful wars vs its rival Genoa, and the Ottoman Turks,
and was the premier maritime Mediterranean power. It ceased to
exist as an independent entity around Napoleonic times. -- ilyas
\_ The Italian city-states weren't exactly known for their love of
freedom and goodwill towards man, were they? I'm asking this
seriously. I seem to recall that's where the infamous Machiavelli
came from (not Venice though, correct?). Not to mention how
involved they all were in the machinations and degredations of
the Rennaissance Popes (c.f., e.g. Ballet of Chestnuts).
\- A large question since the days of the renaissance itself
has been "how to explain florentine exceptionalism" and
the "meaning" and causes of the renaissance write large.
the "meaning" and causes of the renaissance writ large.
I'm too busy to give motd summaries any more but you can
read J. BURCKHARDT: Civ Renaissance in Italy, which is the
classic work. There are some important scholars in this area
from UCB as well, e.g. Old Professor Bouwsma (dead) and
G. BRUCKER (emeritus).
G. BRUCKER (emeritus). according to pope gregory xi, florentine
exceptionalism consisted of their love of high interest rates
and assmastery.
\_ Neither was Athens. According to some people neither is the
United States. I think it is reasonable to call all 3
republics though, just due to the 'shape' of their government.
(Well ok, Athens was more of a direct democracy). -- ilyas
Italian city-states WERE quite progressive for their day. If
I were to venture an amateur guess I would say this has something
to do with them embracing more aspects of capitalism than their
neighbors. -- ilyas
\_ Wasn't Athens a pure democracy rather than a republic? |
| 2005/6/8 [Health] UID:38032 Activity:high 80%like:37993 |
6/6 Hello, my name is Dick Dickless (dickless@csua.berkeley.edu). I never
get any pain on my fingers while typing and a web site I found
supports my position. Therefore, it is impossible to get CTS or RSI
from IO. Also, everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot, and
should get the fuck out of my mother country USA. -dickless
\_ Error 404. Still Not Funny. Troll Harder. -dans |
| 2005/6/8 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:38033 Activity:nil |
6/8 Houses too expensive? Now you can buy condos converted from hotel
rooms. For only $700,000 you can a 1100 sq room! Get them while
they're still hot and affordable with 0% down!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8075717 |
| 2005/6/8-9 [Science/GlobalWarming, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:38034 Activity:low |
6/8 "A White House official who once led the oil industry's fight against
limits on greenhouse gases has repeatedly edited government climate
reports in ways that play down links between such emissions and global
warming, according to internal documents. In handwritten notes on
drafts of several reports issued in 2002 and 2003, the official, Philip
A. Cooney, removed or adjusted descriptions of climate research that
government scientists and their supervisors, including some senior
Bush administration officials, had already approved."
http://csua.org/u/cai (nytimes.com)
\_ Thanks anon. W/o I would believe the Bush administration
is filled with honest, non-partisan ex-industry officials
here for our own good and not out to make money in life.
\_ Kind of sad that we're so jaded that this kind of Orwellian
document editing isn't even surprising or worth mentioning any
more.
\_ "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
becomes a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
\- "The quality of many who people our public
life--that is not democracy, it is disarray, it
is free-fall." ... "Governance", [Arun
Shourie] argues, "is not golf: that we are a
democracy does not entitle us to a handicap."
\_ "In a room where people unanimously maintain a
conspiracy of silence, a single
word of truth sounds like a pistol shot."
-- Czeslaw Milosz
\_ was this written by Jayson Blair?
\_ Mmm, straw man. You can get this particular piece of news
from whichever source you like. It's pretty cut and dried. |
| 2005/6/8-9 [Uncategorized] UID:38035 Activity:nil |
6/8 Revenge of the Smith:
http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive/phd060805s.gif |
| 2005/6/8-9 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:38036 Activity:low |
6/8 Some nice plugins for Firefox:
Spelling Checker for text boxes:
http://spellbound.sourceforge.net
Bookmark Synchronizer:
link:tinyurl.com/9527h
\_ unfortunately, it doesn't yet support SFTP, so setting it
up reasonably is a pain in the butt. -tom
BugMeNot password lookup:
http://roachfiend.com/archives/2005/02/07/bugmenot
\_ also,
Session Saver: (save all open tabs when you want or on crash)
http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=166
\_ This one caused no end of crashes for me which made it sort of
a net loss.
\_ This plugin is concerned with its job security. |
| 2005/6/8-9 [Computer/HW/Memory, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:38037 Activity:low |
6/8 Did anyone end up buying a dell after the discussion on noise
level last month? How did it turn out? (my company is getting
some, and I'd prefer them to be quiet)
http://csua.com/?entry=37704
\_ Buy a Dell and you support Michael Bolton, Christians, the War
in Iraq, more borrowing and Deficit, more oil drilling, more
Corporate power (Enron), and the end of diversity.
\_ I'm Michael Bolton's biggest fan. I own his entire collection!
His cover of "Sitting On the Dock the Bay" was the best ever!
\_ I bought a Dell and I support a nice, reliable server with
marginally acceptable Eastern European support but a good
raid controller. -John |
| 2005/6/8 [Reference/Religion, Recreation/Media] UID:38038 Activity:high |
6/8 Dear Motd Mormons and Christians, have you stopped boycotting
Disney? Disneyland, Disney World, and Disney products in general?
Why and why not?
\_ Have you stopped beating your wife? -emarkp
[For those who don't understand, I'll put it plainer: "what
boycott"?]
\_ Are you going to cry? Please don't report out hate speech!
\_ I don't think Mormons ever got the edict to boycott from AFA
because most Xtians do not consider Mormons as real Xtians.
\_ there are some groups that boycott disney for being
in their eyes gay friendly, i don't think they post to the motd.
\_ This was the Southern Baptist Convention, IIRC. I'd wager
we have at least one person from a church in the SBC on soda.
I don't recall the SBC trying to make common cause with
the CoJCoLDS. -- ulysses
\_ Disney offers employee benefits for gays and lesbians and
AFA gets pissed and asks all Christians to boycott Disney:
http://tinyurl.com/cxaew (cnn.com)
A Christian group boycotts Ford and Disney:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158232,00.html
Maybe they should boycott Microsoft as well because M$ offers
equal benefits to domestic partners.
\_ They should boycott the Internet because many of the
founders were gays or lesbians or at least gay or
lesbian tolerant. Then they should boycott electricity
because Edison never spoke out against gay people. Next
they should boycott modern plumbing because Mr. Crapper
was a pervert. Also, they should boycott using the
English langauge because it can be used to convey
impure thoughts.
\_ They should boycott food because food sustains
gays and lesbians.
\_ Not to mention oxygen and water.
\_ Edison invented electricity? I thought it was Franklin.
\_ Someone invented electricity?
\_ Edison invented electricity? |
| 2005/6/8-10 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:38039 Activity:nil |
6/8 Hey Taiwanese people. How important is it nowadays to speak
Taiwanese? Do people treat you better if you speak Taiwanese?
Do they treat you like a Mainlander dirt if you use Mandarin?
-someone who understands but can't speak well
\_ Depends where you are in Taiwan. If you're in Taipei it
doesn't matter. But if you go to the South area you will find some
people won't even be able to talk to you in Mandarin. Also you'll
have more friendly encounters if you speak Taiwanese there.
\_ so how worthwhile is it to learn it fluently? I only know basics
\_ depends on where you live, and how you plan to use
it of course. When I was at Berkeley they offered a
student initiated and organized Taiwanese class
for credit.
\_ It depends upon you. If you have elders who don't speak
Mandarin, then, you should learn to speak with them. If
you are the type who treat this "Taiwanese" (which is, strictly
speaking, a dialect of Southern Fujian province) as an important
identity thing, then, stop asking questions and just learn it.
I speak Mandarin Chinese with a Beijing accent (which is
still in many ways considered proper, eventhough not necessarily
politically correct). Despite decade of racial campaign against
those who either identify with China and/or parents are born
in China by DPP, people in Taiwan generally pretty tolerant and
friendly. Most people treat me as a Mainlander, and I no longer
bother to explain it.
and why do you care if they treat you as a Mainlander dirt? are
you saying that you are embracing this kind of racial prejudice? |
| 2005/6/8 [Uncategorized] UID:38040 Activity:nil |
6/8 Heh, If nothing else, I like the picture of Castro.
http://www.filibustercartoons.com/archive.php?id=20050608
\_ Ah, the scribblings of mad children on the urinals of the
Internet.... |
| 2005/6/8 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux] UID:38041 Activity:low |
6/8 How about this for Apple: switch kernel to Linux?
this will instantly resolve device driver issues for them, and
send a shockwave through the PC world at the same time....
- in fantacy mode
\_ And then all of Apple's products would get automatic Linux
releases, and Apple would quickly disappear into obscurity!
\_ The device driver issues are not a significant problem for Apple;
they say they are not going to try to support commodity PC hardware,
so they can limit the number of chipsets to about the same number
they're currently supporting. -tom
\_ Why in GOD's name would Apple want to switch from Mach/FreeBSD
to a festering piece of shit like linux?
It is a fallacy to think that just b/c linux supports X random
PCI/ISA card that driver support on linux is "good". I have to
deal w/ linux drivers on a regular basis (esp. nics/raid contr-
ollers) and linux causes me no end of problems. The one thing
that can be said for linux is that, unlike Slowlaris, at least
*some* things have working drivers. |
| 2005/6/8 [Computer/SW/OS/VM] UID:38042 Activity:nil |
6/8 I just had a closer look at the Rona.A trojan. For anyone interested
in this stuff, it's pretty cool: http://tinyurl.com/d3947
I recommend running it in a vmware session if you can get hold of
a copy and sniffing outbound connections. -John |
| 2005/6/8 [Politics/Foreign/Canada, Politics/Foreign] UID:38043 Activity:moderate |
6/8 In the Natalee Holloway case, why is the FBI investigating a crime in
foreign soil?
\_ What do you mean? The FBI investigates crimes performed against
American citizens where ever they occur. I remember they had a
big operation in Yemen when the USS Cole was blown up.
\_ Isn't Aruba a state?
\_ Yeah, after Canada.
\_ on the topic of states, something I've always wondered -
is there any incentive/possibility for Puerto Rico to
become a state? (from a quick google search, looks like
their area is just over 1/2 of hawaii, and under 3x of RI,
not that area is the only criteria, of course).
\_ It would have power in the Senate equal to, say, California.
\_ Are the Puerto Ricans not interested, or is someone /
something preventing that from happening?
\_ Puerto Ricans are about equally split between
those who like it the way it is (or are apathetic),
those who think they should be a U.S. state, and
those who think they should be an independent
country.
\_ I've wondered about the same questions for D.C.
\_ several bills have been submitted to at least
give DC congressional representation, but never
passed
\_ iirc from elementary school, DC is not a state purpose-
fully so that the capital of the nation doesn't reside in
any one state. congressional representation, however, is
a different issue from statehood.
\_ She is young blonde white from alabama
\_ And let's not forget, possibly seen in the company of BLACK MEN! |
| 2005/6/8-9 [Reference/Religion] UID:38044 Activity:high 76%like:38055 |
6/8 motd demographic/political poll, d-dem, r-repub, i-independent:
white & christian:
non-white OR non-christian: d
\_ Actively christian? raised christian?
\_ active (you self-identify as christian, now)
non-white OR non-christian: d
non-white OR non-christian: ddr
\_ I'm torn. I'd love to be I, but then I'd lose my ability to vote in
primaries. I see little value left in R (at least here in CA).
-emarkp
\_ What's so special about CA?
\_ Entirely dominated by D. -emarkp
\_ Have you ever considered moving to R friendly states, like
say... Utah? Everyone there looks happy, unlike pissed off
protesting satanic Liberal here.
\_ Hi anonymous troll! -emarkp |
| 2005/6/8-10 [Uncategorized] UID:38045 Activity:nil |
6/8 Any pointers on where to look for standard business logic for doing
name search? Eg. search by "John Smith", "J Smith", "Smith, J T",
"JT Smith", "M O'Faolin", "M. O. Faolin", etc. I'm looking for any
type of basic primer on how this is typically done. Doesn't need to
be specialized. |
| 2005/6/8-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:38046 Activity:high |
6/8 Janice Brown: Liberalism --> Slavery
http://csua.org/u/cb0 (nytimes.com)
\_ WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
\_ GOP is brilliant. By hiring minorities who align with their agenda
they attract other minorities who are ignorant of Republican agendas
\_ Would you care to enlighten us poor benighted savages about
the real Republican agenda?
\_ In my opinion... in theory, their ideology is good for the
society. But in practice, it is flawed. That is not to say
that Dem ideologies are in practice flawed as well. However,
it's not hard to see that in the past decade or two that
the Rep ideology is being abused much more, by the religious
right, the homophobes, big Corporate sponsors, and the
NeoCons. Lastly I simply have a lot of problems with Rep's
fundamental idea of using personal responsibility to solve
most of life's problems. In many cases, people are not born
with the ability to solve their own problems, but would be
ok if given a second or third chance. We talk about
equality, but in reality the world is not equal. Regardless
of abilities and merits, the rich still get better education
and the minorities are still getting a shorter end of the
stick. Personal responsibility-- great in theory, unfair in
practice. That is why I am opposed to Rep agendas: tax
reduction, flat tax, completely personal responsible social
security, reduction of welfare, reduction of public
education, reduction of public/gov owned entities. A more
balanced approach is personal responsibility AND social
responsiblity. -pp, a Moderate
\_ You realize that poor == minorities is a false
equality, right?
\_ There's a remarkable correlation. one of the sins
of our society.
http://ferret.bls.census.gov/macro/032004/pov/new01_100.htm
Do your homework.
\_ correlation != causality && correlation !=
equality. Do your homework.
\_ I didn't say it was equality, but just to throw
that statement out was disingenuous of you. To
speak of poverty and try to gloss over ethnic
disparity is dishonest. And who said anything
about causality?
\_ I just threw it out because "-pp, a
Moderate" seemed to be implying it. I
didn't think it really warrented
discussion. I figured causality in
because I figured that was what you
must be thinking, since you brought up
the numbers. ie, from these numbers it
seems that being a minority causes one to
be poor. Furthermore, why is glossing
over the ethnic disparity dishonest?
Including the figures is often used to
suggest that the disparity is caused by
racism, which I think it dishonest. Any
culture that discourages education will
produce more poor, on average, than one
that encourages it. It doesn't matter if
you're white, black, brown, or any other
race. Many poor families in the
states exhibit this characteristic.
\_ All ideologies are open to manipulation, not just
Republican ones. However, I disagree that Republican
ideas unfair in practice.
ideas are unfair in practice.
In my experience the Liberal Democrat pov is one that
emphasizes the importance of the elites and what they
think is best for us "masses." They decide the agenda
and tell us what it important and we have to go along
and tell us what is important and we have to go along
with it. It doesn't not allow us to think and decide
what is best for ourselves. In the guise of "fairness"
they suppresses creativity and ingenuity and rob people
of the incentive to work hard and make their lives
better.
The Republican pov is that there should be a minimum
level of restrictions on the activities of people and
that people ought to be left along to decide how they
that people ought to be left alone to decide how they
want to live their lives. (Some GOP administrations
are worse at this than others, but one the whole they
are much better than Democratic administrations).
are worse at this than others, but on the whole they
are better than Democratic administrations).
Re: Education - I completely disagree that the rich
get or have access to a better education than the
"poor." My family came to this country w/ ~ $10.
My mom managed to put both of her sons through
engineering at Cal, one of the finest institutions of
education in the whole world. In no way would I
characterize my education as lesser than what some
rich guy who went to Yale and couldn't even manage A's
in humanities classes got.
rich guy got at Yale (he got 5 D's and not even one
A in a humanities major, give me a break).
A in a humanities major, give me a break). -scotsman
\_ Is that why the Republicans keep trying to outlaw
sodomy and marijuana and stuff the prisons full?
Republicans are in favor of big government just
as much as Democrats, they just prefer the kind
that wields a truncheon.
that wields a truncheon instead of a welfare check.
\_ I don't really care about sodomy laws but as
far as pot (and other drugs) are concerned,
they are a legitimate arena for government
control b/c drug abuse leads to costs for
all of society. When you smoke out and
crash your car into mine, I'm stuck having
to deal w/ it and I shouldn't have to.
Anyway, at least the GOP *tries* to get
rid of gov controls in many aspects (esp.
economic) vs. the Democrats who want to
control everything from Washington.
I wouldn't characterize Bush II as the
best GOP administration but they are
better than any Democratic administration
would have been.
\_ I don't see evidence that the GOP tries to do
this at all. I see lip service, but no action.
Name one action that the current administration
has done that has either diminished federal power
or devolved any to the states. I follow the news
pretty closely and I cannot think of anything.
Incarceration rates in the US are ten *times*
what they are in Western European countries,
but there does not seem to be an abundance
of drug fueled crime in Europe. It is all
about fear and control, and using government
to enforce these values, not public safety.
\_ Anecdotal evidence it not proof. Study after study
has shown that children in wealthier neighborhoods
get a better education. Do you honestly believe that
Oakland schools are as good as the ones in Orinda?
\_ scotsman, you are smart and special. But you are simply
ONE data point, which does not accurately represent
poor people as a whole. Put it another way, if the
criteria to get into Ivy League schools were based on
nothing but merits, by throwing out external factors
such as connection and money, do you think the mostly
[Caucasian] student demographic representation would
still be the same?
\_ Wow. Someone signed my name to someone else's post.
cute. --scotsman (to future forgers, I use 2 -'s)
Btw, I was fortunate enough to be born to a 3rd/4th
generation family, with highly educated parents.
And I agree with you.
Oh, and even cuter, you're the one who signed my
name.
\_ So what if a big name gets you into a Ivy League
school? It doesn't matter - there are plenty of
equal or better opportunities in this country.
There is a proven path to the middle class in
this country - it involves frugality, education
and hardwork. Yes you can't buy all the things
that rich people have, yes you have to study
harder than the rich kids and yes you have to
go to work early and stay late and put up w/
crazy bosses, but that is the price you have
to pay. If you aren't willing to do that, why
should the gov fix it all up for you?
\_ Appointing minorities with conservative opinions exposes the true
Democrat belief: only minorities that toe the Dem. line are
acceptable. The others aren't "real" minorities.
\_ Democrats want minorities and they want liberals. Given a
choice between a conservative minority and a liberal white,
idealogical correctness trumps political correctness.
The only people I ever hear say conservative minorities aren't
"real" minorities are conservatives attempting to impugn
liberals
\_ http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2002/cyb20021010.asp#6 |
| 2005/6/8-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:38047 Activity:nil |
6/8 George Bush's approval rating is now twenty points lower than that
of Bill Clinton's on the day that he was impeached.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8118278/#050607
"Your work sucks and everyone hates you, but I'd hire you all over
again if given the chance."
\_ I must have been asleep for a while...when was Clinton
impeached?
\_ iirc, the house voted to impeach Clinton but the senate
didn't agree.
\_ Uhm, no. The House impeaches the president. The Senate
has the trial. Clinton is the 2nd president to be impeached
after Johnson in the history of the U.S..
\_ You are correct, but pp's error is in terminology.
The House did vote to Impeach. The Senate vote on
the first article of impeachment (perjury) was 45-55;
on the second (obstruction) it was 50-50. Clinton
was acquitted of both articles of impeachment.
http://csua.org/u/cb2 (rutgers.edu)
\_ To impeach is basically to indict.
http://www.eagleton.rutgers.edu/e-gov/e-politicalarchive-Clintonimpeach.htm
\_ Correct. The House votes to impeach/indict;
the Senate convicts or acquites. This time,
they acquitted. |
| 2005/6/8-10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:38048 Activity:nil |
6/8 http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.family.tragedy Story of the Iraq war from a native Iraqi. |
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