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| 2005/5/11 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/Religion] UID:37617 Activity:moderate |
5/10 "A Baptist preacher accused of running out nine congregants who
refused to support President Bush resigned Tuesday" Amen.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7769149
\_ atheists kill hundreds of millions in 20th century.
\_ So did Christians.
\_ no, mass genocide was perpetrated by atheists.
\_ Here's a great site that has a lot of evidence against the
lie perpetrated by fucks like you that Hitler was anything
but a Christian.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
Fuck you. Hitler was a Chrisitan, and Nazi Germany was a
Christian nation.
\_ Yup, and Hitler always said he was doing it for
God.
\_ Was that why the Church was reluctant to save the Jews
from the Nazis?
\_ Come on! Hitler was a Buddhist. Don't you see the
swastika on the Nazi flags? He killed the Jews to send
them to the west heaven to meet the Buddha god.
\_ Where are you thinking?
\_ Hitler was immersed in the occult and he believed
he was the antichrist. The notion that this
makes him a Christian is absurd. A few photos
on the net really means nothing. Let's consider
and quotes taken out of contect from the net
really means nothing. Let's consider
what the real historians think:
link:csua.org/u/c0j
Besides the Jews, another 6 million, mostly Polish
and mostly Christian, also died in the death
camps. To characterize Hitler as an atheist may
be unfair, in which case he is a pagan.
This reminds me of the notion that Hitler was
not a Socialist.
\_ Religious right extremists lack basic reading skills in early
21st c.
\_ Lefties campaign in churches. |
| 2005/5/11 [Uncategorized] UID:37618 Activity:nil 72%like:37615 |
5/10 Yes! Rommel did not win North Africa! They were too lucky in
other legs of the race. It's about time someone else got the extra
help needed to win.
\_ what? |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Computer/SW/Languages] UID:37619 Activity:nil |
5/11 Since when have the articles on http://nytimes.com been double spaced? |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:37620 Activity:nil |
5/11 King Tut Reconstructed:
http://tinyurl.com/bbwku (telegraph.co.uk)
\_ BBC is so much better than our right-wing controlled PBS (which
by the way can no longer show colorful rabbits to explain about
gays and lesbians). UK #1, Europe #1, and FUCK AMERICA. |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Transportation/Airplane, Reference/Military] UID:37621 Activity:nil |
5/11 About the 15-mile-radius restricted air space in DC. How fast can
planes fly in low atmosphere? If it's around 300mph, it'd only take
three minutes to reach the center. How is that enough time to scramble
a fighter jet from ground to reach the plane and then try to
communicate to the offending pilot, before deciding to shoot it down?
\_ Wait for a redacted pdf outlining the military's plans, and then
copy all of the text into a plain text file. The answers will be
there. --eriikred
\_ SAM
\_ Oooo scary, Single Asian Man
\_ when it gets to the SAM stage, the only choice is to shoot down
or not, and when a plans is shot down, the wreckage has to land
*somewhere*.
\_ It's better if the poor tourists gets the falling debris
than plane crashing into something important.
\_ yes, like our beloved George Bush.
\_ believe me, they'll have jets ready by the time someone actually
breaches the 15 mile circle.
\_ Why would you want to fly into their airspace when you can easily
do a Lee Boyd Malvo? |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Health] UID:37622 Activity:moderate |
5/11 I started a diet/exercise regime two weeks ago. I weighed 193
then. My ideal weight is about 175-180. I cut out all fast food,
soft drinks, and other crap. I ate mostly fruits, vegetables, and
yogurt with some lean cuts of meat with dinner. I started doing
20 minutes of cardio every other day and some basic exercises like
crunches and pushups. I went back to the nurse today and found that I
have gained 4 pounds. I doubt it is muscle so soon. I also found
my blood pressure is a little higher than when I started. Is that
normal? The nurse didn't seem concerned. I have an appointment
with my doctor, but I was curious what the motd knows. Is this
typical? --dim
\_ I have a suggestion about exercise. Find a way to get exercise that
involves a sport that is actually fun and interesting. I personally
find pushups, situps, and generic "cardio" like running to be really
boring. Maybe you'll have the willpower to do that crap every day
for ten years, but eventually you'll lose interest. Find a real,
interesting sport and you can still be getting enough exercise to
be healthy for decades. My judo instructor is in his 70's, and
probably gets more exercise than most 40 year olds because he still
finds the judo interesting enough to keep him going.
\_ Yeah, the problem I've had in the past with that is
getting people together for a sport. (not a problem with
judo, but...) LLNL has pleanty of options, so I can play
something every day at lunch, but if I worked elsewhere,
I'm not sure what I'd do. -jrleek
\_ I'll say the same thing to you I say to everyone: judo is
the best sport ever, and you should try it. Judo in Livermore
courtesy of http://local.google.com:
http://www.amador-judo-jujitsu.com
\_ Ha! I took jujitsu as a teenager, and I've driven by
this place and thought about starting again. Now I'm
motd peer pressure. awesome. -jrleek
\_ Just to turn the pressure up a notch, I'd like to point
out that while jujitsu is a great martial art, judo
is also a great *sport*. This was part of the genius
of the founder or judo: he turned a brutal fighting
system into a sport that is roughly as dangerous as a
track event (but infinitely more fun to play or watch.)
Great for kids also.
\_ http://www.bluesuitmom.com/health/personaltrainer/weightgain.html
\_ Your weight fluctuates naturally daily. Read:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet for more. Basically, you should
weigh yourself every day and then track the average trend. Worrying
about two data points on a whole curve is a bad idea. If you have a
palm-based PDA you can download a nifty tool for doing that for you
at the hacker's diet page.
\- if you were doing weights, i think a 4lbs gain for your wt level
after 2wks on a low carb/high protein diet is not at all odd.
20minutes is not enough. go for 60min. i cannot say more since
i do not know how chubular you were when you started out. you
can probably invest about $50-60 in a FAT MONITOR scale. --psb
\_ I think everyone has a 2-3 lbs delta in weight on a day-to-day
basis so I wouldn't be concerned w/ a 4 lbs gain.
BTW, your goal is completely reachable, though it might take
time. About 2 yrs ago I was in a similar position to you - I
weighed ~ 195 lbs and wanted to loose weight. Since I'm
vegetarian and never really went in for soft drinks about the
only thing I could cut out of my diet was dairy products and
sugars. I cut my cheese and dairy intake by half and started
drinking my tea w/o sugar. In addition I started running once a
week (~ 5 miles) and either walking or riding every 3 days a
week. Last summer I started playing Ultimate Frisbee and that
really helped too. I've managed to get down to about 165 or so.
week (~ 5 miles) and either walking or riding 3 days a week.
Last summer I started playing Ultimate Frisbee and that really
helped too. I've managed to get down to about 165 or so.
Good Luck! |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:37623 Activity:high |
5/11 "The army sergeant threatened a prospect with arrest if he didn't
report to a recruiting station," obviating the need for draft:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/11/army.recruiting
\_ ^"The^"A -- A single incident reported by CBS news (and not
\_ ^"The^"An -- A single incident reported by CBS news (and not
confirmed by anyone else) is somehow indicative of behavior of the
entire organization? You're an idiot.
\_ http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou050510_mh_militaryrecruits.2602b7752.html
and http://www.khou.com/images/0505/voicemail.wav for the
actual voice mail. But hey you can just attack the news
organization and ignore reality if it makes you happier.
Here's a hint, the army is suspending ALL recruiting in the face
of this and other scandals (recently another recruiter was caught
doing things like driving protential recruits to their dealer's
house to get drugs, I don't have a good link to the story.)
\_ The army is standing down recruiting efforts to investigate.
Would they do that if they didn't have a suspicion that it
might be indicative? You're an idiot.
\_ The article doesn't say that. Can you even read? It says
they are "expected to" not that they have done it.
Investigating claims is appropriate. Asserting that the
claims are true and represent a general population is not.
\_ Can you? "The Army said it is investigating the
allegations", "A senior Army officer said
Wednesday that the "stand-down" is being ordered
not only because of possible misconduct but
also because the service has had a difficult
time attracting volunteers. The Army wants to
assess the stress facing recruiters."
\_ Forgive my ignorance. When was the last time a draft was in place?
Thx. -- immigrant
\_ 1973. Here is a detailed background on the draft:
http://www.sss.gov/FSbackgr.htm And other info can be found
from the links here:
http://www.sss.gov/Fast%20Facts%20Table.htm
\_ Vietnam
\_ According to Kerry supporters, the draft was going to come back
this January if Bush got reelected. Oops.
\_ With recruitment numbers down and tours continually extended
do you think it's more likely that we'll 1) withdraw or 2)
start a draft?
\_ how about 3) we offer incentives to: keep existing
soldiers in place, re-deploy from Europe, hire more
recruiters, extend deployments, and worry about a draft
only when the shit hits the fan?
\_ You haven't been paying attention. Heard of stop-loss?
Military folk are already pissed about being redeployed
over and over again. Hiring more recruiters doesn't
help when people simply aren't signing. We're in a
corner. Either we declare victory and pull out, or
we get a draft.
\_ Actually I have been paying attention. Everything
I wrote is what Dubya has been doing. My time frame
only extends to the end of his term, though.
Are you saying that there is a > 80% chance we will
withdraw or draft before the end of his term?
I do agree that in the 5-20 year time frame, we will
either withdraw, draft, or make joining the Army more
palatable.
\_ You forgot 4) OUTSOURCE our troops.
\_ which is good, cuz those private army are not subject
to any rules and regulation. Some of the Chinese
vet I've talked to said that when they capture
mercenaries, they would just kill them, period.
I start to understand why they did that. and FYI,
These vets are Nationalist troops operated in South
East Asia in the 1950s.
\_ How about 5) create an army of illegal immigrants (they're
not subject to U.S. laws), and promise citizenship if they
serve well in Iraq. Or, ship inmates from over-crowded
California prison or Guantanamo Bay to Iraq & chain them
together to do dirty and profitable work that Halliburton
is doing. -super troller
\_ We already do 5.
\_ "An army of foreigners not subject to US law" sounds
like a CIA task.
\_ Which Kerry supporters?
\_ No actual Kerry supporters said this. Some people said
the draft could be back by June. More historical
revisionism from the sheeples.
\_ Max Cleland and Howard Dean, aka "some Kerry
surrogates". http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6027815
\_ No where in this article does it mention Jan 2005.
You are full of crap.
\_ Ah. So you agree that Kerry supporters claimed
that Bush will reinstitute the draft, and your
only disagreement is over the time frame used by
the Kerry people. OK.
\_ Yes. And I think Bush will re-instate the
draft in the next 18 months. Tops. -Vet
\_ We'll see in 18 months. That's the great
thing with concrete predictions about the
future -- they can eventually be verified or
discredited.
\_ The dozens of cars I've seen around Berkeley with bumper
stickers that say "Bush '04 / Draft '05"?
\_ Last I checked, it's still 2005.
\_ "We Democrats have successfully stopped Bush from reinstating
the draft. Once again we Democrats have done good for the
American people."
\_ Where is this quote from?
\_ Someone's ass, apparently. -- ulysses |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:37624 Activity:high |
5/11 When I was really young, I used to think that suicide bombers were
stupid because after they blow themselves up, there would no longer
be any more bombers. I thought that if I had to bomb, I'd just place
bombs around so that I can live the next day to bomb more people.
Anyways, as silly as my childish idea may seem, what baffles
me today is how bombers keep coming and coming, as if they're
resurrected or something. Where are they getting these people?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4535323.stm
\_ theres lots of desperate poor /expendable people in the third
world. The _real_ bombers are the ones that are arming the suicide
bombers and giving them the orders.
\_ Yes, there is an unending supply of people willing to kill
themselves. The only limitation is on the planning and
infrastructure.
\_ Because the population is infinite!
\_ No, the population just has to reproduce more quickly
than it explodes.
\_ You don't undertand tribal societies very well. When you kill
one member of a family, the rest of the family is honor bound
to avenge the death. That is why our campaing to bomb the
to avenge the death. That is why our campaign to bomb the
Iraqis into submission is doomed to failure. We think of
the self first. They think of the family honor first.
\_ how is blowing up yourself outside of a line of dudes
applying for a job avenging your family honor? - danh
\_ Like I said, you just don't understand it.
\_ Wasn't it Sun-Tzu or some famous general who once said that
war cannot be won without psychology? I think this is a perfect
example where we have superior fighting force that doesn't
understand anything about psychology. Superior force != winning.
\_ Li Zi said that if one is
willing to give a way his life, he would trigger fear
down to thousands of people.
\_ When Bush decided to invade Iraq 2 years ago, I told everyone that
it's going to be very similar to how Israelis and Palestians
fight, that we (and civilians) would be on the receiving end of
waves of suicide bombings. No one said anything, and some even
shrugged it off because they're hot blooded and want nothing but
revenge for 9/11. We have a lot to learn about ourselves.
\_ I haven't seen the waves of suicide bombings in the US.
\_ From my what my Syrian and other friends have told me most
of the bombers either have mental problems or are borderline
mentally retarded, and thus are vulnerable to brainwashing.
\_ yes, and your point being...?
\_ That it isn't cultural.
\_ From interview given by NPR, most sucide bombers are Saudis,
Syrian comes in second.
\_ How come most armies don't use suicide bombers then?
\_ I am not aware of any armies that do.
\_ Early on in Vietnam War, NVAs would kill round eyes
or S Vietnamese generals, take their clothes, then
dress up as S Vietnamese soldiers. They got into the
U.S. compound and at the right time, get close to
American generals and... KABOOM! In addition, they
used a lot of orphaned children (with backpacks) as
bombs because they knew that Americans didn't shoot
at children. They also wired up dead Americans with
bombs so that when they're found, the rescuers
would get blown up as well. While these things
didn't diminish the US military power, it had
detrimental effects on the morale of our troops.
Needless to say, I think the NVAs were much better
at psychological warfare than Americans.
\_ Meh -- I don't think it was so much a matter of
the NVA being good at psychological warfare, as
it was a matter of the US being so bad at keeping
up troops morale (not to mention being crippled
by politics from the counter culture back home).
There were just so many things wrong with the
way the US was prosecuting the Vietnam War in
terms of goals, strategy, philosophy, recruitment
practices, etc. Relating the morale of US
troops late in that conflict to ANY nation's
efforts at psych warfare would be speciously
conclusive.
\_ The Kamikaze was on suicidal missions, although they
used planes instead of bombs.
used planes instead of bombs. I think the US
military cannot give orders to go on suicidal
missions. It can only ask for volunteers. Don't
know about other militaries.
\_ Japanese had a ton of different ways to
commit suicide. Kamikaze planes are just the
most famous.
http://www.ww2pacific.com/suicide.html
There is at least an oral history of Koreans
and Russians suicide bombing tanks in WWII.
\_ Luftwaffe pilots did suicide missions
when the Red Army was closing in on
Berlin. They fly their planes into
bridges taken by the Russians to blow
the bridges up.
\_ A story that resonates w/ Poles is that
Polish prisoners in German camps actually
did suicide dives out upper-floor windows
to land on top of and kill individual
German guards |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Consumer/Audio, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:37625 Activity:nil |
5/11 I'd like to be able to use my mp3 player as a rescue os disk as well.
It shows up as USB HD on most OS. The mp3 player itself works fine
as long as I store all of the music on the first vfat partition. I'd
like to be able to either install linux onto the HD or store various
ISO images on the HD and have it boot from it, with menu, so I can
can select different images. Anyone know of such method?
\_ So, you want to boot Linux from USB-mounted disk, which happens
to be an MP3 player?
\_ Yes, with an added requirement that it can also boot iso images
stored on a partition. |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Uncategorized] UID:37626 Activity:nil 57%like:37637 |
The uncensored messages below this line is a SIMULATION of what motd would look like if it was run by Conservatives, Religious, Red Necks, and Freepers. |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:37627 Activity:nil |
5/11 I have a tribute to our great President, George W. Bush.
.--. |V| HAIL
/ \ _| / GEORGE W BUSH
q .. p \ / FREEDOM
\--/ // LIBERTY
__||__// AND JUSTICE
/. _/ FOR THE WORLD
// \ /
\_ How people did Bubba Clinton free from oppressive leaders? |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:37628 Activity:nil |
5/11 Die liberals die! Nuke all Muslims and cure all homosexuals! I'm George Bush, and I approved this message. |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Recreation/Humor] UID:37629 Activity:nil |
5/11 Heh (funny videogame comic).
http://www.vgcats.com/comics |
| 2005/5/11 [Computer/SW/Security, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:37630 Activity:high |
5/11 I know kchang's de-anonymizer is putting a crimp in your style, but
can you people who scp to /etc/motd.public please stop overwriting?
\_ A little thought should help you realize that's impossible.
\_ A little quality thought should help you realize that:
"Overwriting" is being used in the context of "screwing up
other people's changes".
If you turn off brain and assume the literal definition of
overwrite, you might realize you're "overwriting" [literally]
/etc/motd.public every time you save it in an editor.
Finally, scp users can reduce frequency of overwriting
[contextual meaning] by reducing the lag time between the scp
"get" and "put".
\_ Well, they should be diffing and merging as the final step
\_ No, they should be diffing and merging as the final step
before putting. This leaves a pretty tiny window for potential
overwrites. But can someone tell me how kchang is logging
file access? What OS features help with this? I'm curious to
know for other possible applications.
\_ I signed a pact with Satan
\_ Hm, how about this feature. If you put in "-anon" at the end of
your post, then my Ashcroft script will not reveal your id? -kchang
\_ Note that "tiny window for potential overwrite" is a
longwinded way of saying "that's impossible".
\_ it shouldn't be hard to modify motdedit to do this.
\_ Play nice, or we'll take away your cookies. Or, perhaps, make it
so that you can't scp the motd. - almighty root
\_ hmm, maybe make it so that the motd is only editable through
motdedit and make that a suid file w/ sudo'er perms for everyone.
everyone should then be anon, and no more scp. yes, I'm replying
to myself. =)
\_ I concur. Let's enforce some type of lock/unlock mechanism.
\_ Make the trains run on time while you're at it.
\_ locking and semaphores - the first step towards fascism.
\_ You missed the "enforce" part didn't you?
\_ So tell me, if you've done any work with databases
or file systems, how useful is a lock that is not
enforced?
\_ Hey, I didn't realize the motd was that
important to you.
\_ fuck motdedit. In the ear. It's not a technical problem.
\_ Technically, yes it is a technical problem. Access is
provided throuh a mechanism that causes corruption. Any
time such a mechanism exists and is exploitable, it puts
the infrastructure at risk. Asking users nicely not to do
it is not a solution Either you live with the corruption
or you fix it. As a CS grad, you should know this.
\_ Uhm, we're talking about motd...wtf are you talking
about? This isn't a general "all locks and
synchronization are bad" thread, this is a "motdedit
is a shitty technical solution which doesn't even
really address all the problems" thread. As a high
school grad this should be obvious to you.
\_ First of all, tell us why motdedit is broken, and
maybe we can come up with something better.
\_ Because of patronizing motdedit users. Anything
without patronizing evangelists that works would
be better.
\_ As important as MOTD is for a bunch of users here,
most of whom are CS grads, I'd wager any technical
problem could be ironed out quickly. Anyways,
whatever, this is your guys' problem. I don't use
MOTD and everytime I read it, I feel less inclined to
put as much time into maintaining this system as I
do. I was offering solutions to a real problem of
corruption. But hey, if you people like broken, then
broken you get.
\_ Broken >> supercilious motdedit nazi assholes
Go or stay, use it or don't use it, it's a free
country, and nobody is particularly pining for
you either way. Go, and be happy, my son.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
\_ No offsense, but go fuck yourself. As root, VP,
\_ No offsense, but go eat a carrot. As root, VP,
and now president of the CSUA my policies on
sorrying non-student accounts is much more
draconian than that of my predecessors. You
may have been a student once, but our ultimate
mission is to provide service to current
students - and when people make this a hostile
environment, I won't blink to kick them off our
server. Although I value the insight and
participation of alumni in the CSUA, I'd advise
you not to fuck it up for everyone. If you
disagree with an idea, then voice your reasons
- not some immature tirade and rant. This is
not your personal soap box, this is a server
for use by university students.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
\_ I suggest we first solve the problem of people
posting lines longer than 80 columns or people
with their tabstop not set at 8.
\_ I suggest pliers or a heavy bludgeon. There's
nothing like broken bones to keep columns
down to a reasonable size.
\_ Hm, how about this feature. If you put in "-anon" or some type of
identity at the end of your thread, then my Almighty Ashcroft
script will not reveal your id? -kchang
\_ How about we just squish your ass right now? -anon
\_ I wouldn't do that. John Ashcroft is watching you.
\_ But...but...I put "-anon" at the end! Pretty please let me
be anonymous? -anon
\_ Well I haven't implemented it, I'm just soliciting
opinions and should there be enough demand, I'll do it.
\_ Anyone who has worked with group-writable files
has come to the conclusion that locking and
logging is important; I'd like to see motdedit
(or something functionally similar like RCS)
required. -tom
\_ Because the motd is mission critical! Seriously,
if this were source code, I'd agree. An anonymous
posting board where anyone can add or delete? Feh.
\_ It blows me away how worked up people get
about a lame ass world writeable file.
\_ kchang, I like to troll. the motd is too boring. can you include
an 'exclude' list of names? ;) we need to revive the motd of
better topics!!!
\_ Perhaps the de-anonimizer is a good thing. Its like that old
Donald Duck count to 10 before you explode cartoon. You have
to think about whether or not your really want to write that
comment before you do. It makes the discussion more civilized. |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:37631 Activity:low |
5/11 ___ ==
/ | \ Peace // \\
/ | \ and \\ //
| ^ | Support \\//
\ /|\ / Our //\\
\/_|_\/ Troops! // \\
\_ Is this contradictory?
\_ Depends.
\_ No.
\_ Are you John Kerry?
\_ For years the sign at SAC used to say "Peace is our
Business." In many cases the last people who want
Profession." In many cases the last people who want
to fight are the people who train for it everyday.
\_ The sign actually said "Peace is out Profession"
\_ Peace is delusion. Propagated by those who still
feel emotions. |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:37632 Activity:high |
5/11 During the London Blitz, Churchill toured the damage everyday,
even sometimes when bombs were falling. A small one engined
Cessna flys near Washington and the cowards there all run and
hide. What a bunch of sissies the Republicans have turned out
to be.
\_ Is our homeland at war such that we can try to shoot down the Cesna
at will? If yes, and those folks still run to hide, I'd call them
cowards. Otherwise, I'll call them irresponsible if they don't
hide.
\_ Was Churchill irresponsible during WWII?
\_ Frequently. That said, op is one of the more insightful
things I've seen posted about the current administration and
political climate. It's not about whether you can shoot down
a plane, but about the general climate of FUD that seems to
have replaced certain ideals of courage and intestinal
fortitude. Sounds corny? Probably. But I guess the motto
today is "eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into
jet engines." -John
\_ Exception: Giuliani.
\_ Was London not in a state of war during the London Blitz?
\_ Kerry didn't hide?
\_ Next time, why don't you take the place of someone
leaving the building?
\_ Send me to Washington to represent us, and I will.
\_ you should have seen Corzine on the Senate floor. He ran away
like a woman.
\_ That made my day. Jet engines...heh... -mice |
| 2005/5/11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:37633 Activity:very high |
5/11 Mr. McKee,
You're getting awfully heated in the below conversation. As
root, former VP, and now president, you should really cool your heels
before making pronouncements. You're treading where a number of others
have trod to no good effect.
Words from those with authority (as limited and petty as that authority
may be) must be wielded cautiously, or you'll find yourself either
without that authority or with authority over a worthless entity.
--Another former VP.
\_ Hey, fuck off. Unlike previous apathetic/pathetic VP/president, this
new guy is actually showing some interest in making changes. People
hold on to the past dearly, but it's year 2005 and our motd
still using 1970 technologies. It's time to let go and move on, and
give our new guy the benefit of the doubt. Go McKee. I SUPPORT YOU.
\_ See, unfortunately, lacking historical perspective, you don't
know that these are either non-changes or changes doomed for
failure.
\_ Drink the kool-aide or I'll make new soda a Windows 2003 box!
\_ I have made no secret that my primary loyalty is to current students,
these are the people that keep the CSUA alive and purposeful.
Alumni have many valuable things that can still contribute to the
CSUA and our students, but we musn't lose focus on what our ultimate
agenda is - the betterment and enjoyment of current CS students.
Soda serves as a bridge between the old and the new, but the priority
still goes to the new. What sort of environment does soda present
to users we're trying to bring into the CSUA fold, when they see
tripe and vitriol in such a public form? What sense of community
develops, when the only impression people get about the CSUA
soda community is that they're a bunch of assholes? It's not the
community I want to foster under my watch, and I make no bones
about working against efforts that seek to undermine the success
of the CSUA. Perhaps I'm an autocratic nazi like this, but I also
don't see how mindless insults in the MOTD can be defended.
\_ The sentiment is quite commendable, but as someone in a
leadership role (and as an experienced internet user), showing
restraint is part of the job description. In general,
injecting more vitriol into a vitriolic conversation is not
the best way to calm the situation, show leadership, or
impress anyone with your own maturity. As an alum, I'd gladly
donate services or money to the csua...provided I could be
convinced that my time/money/effort was going to be put to use
in a mature, considered way. It's gratfying to see that csua
leadership is passionate about the csua, but don't let your
passion become part of the very problem you're fighting. -mice
\_ You're treading the censorship line. There are many statements
made on the MOTD that cannot be defended. They can, however,
be ignored. The sense of community, that's up to those of you
on campus. It's always been the toughest thing to succeed at
with this group. But your autocratic leanings are only going to
leave _you_ stressed and disappointed. No one else will care.
\_ I think the legitimate criticism is in the words you use
("go fuck yourself"), not necessarily in your philosophy.
\_ I've never been one to spare a snide come back, but you're
right. I removed that part.
\_ carrots are crunchy and full of vitamins. They taste really
great when juiced with some beets, an apple, and a smidge of
ginger. |
| 2005/5/11-13 [Uncategorized] UID:37634 Activity:nil |
5/11 Spoiler photo of villain in Revenge of the Sith
http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/cl-starwars_ieb8mtkf,0,325490.photo
(yes it's an action figure)
\_ There are already pics of him on the starwars site, in the
trailers, and he was a prominent character in the Clone Wars
micro-series on Cartoon Network.
\_ How is this a spoiler? There are already pics of him on the
starwars site, in the trailers, and he was a prominent character
in the Clone Wars micro-series on Cartoon Network. |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Politics/Domestic] UID:37635 Activity:nil |
5/11 MOTD poll: U.S. military draft in:
2005:
2006: .
2007:
2008:
No draft: ..
\_ The military doesn't need/want a bunch of
warm bodies these days.
Democrates claim draft 2009+ in next presidential election:
\_ The US will pull out of Iraq if theonly other choice was to have
a draft.
Democrates claim draft 2009+ in next presidential election:
\_ Which Democrates [sic] are saying that?
\_ Presumably the Democrats who will be running in the next
presidential election.
\_ 'Special Skills' draft in 2006: .
\_ I'm the one who brought that up on motd originally, and I don't
believe it, at least for it's use during peacetime. It's for
when "shit hits the fan": then you can draft 18-26 year-old
grunts, as well as 26-40 year-old sysadmins/coders along with
the M.D.s you can draft under the old plan. |
| 2005/5/11 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:37636 Activity:nil |
5/11 Proposal for amckee: add in an experimental /etc/motd.experimental
where one needs to use a lock/unlock mechanism. Make tracking
anonymous (but auditable by root if threads start to violate UC
Regent laws). Then:
cat motd.official motd.public motd.experimental > motd
We can play around with it for a while, and see how it goes.
\_ you don't need to enforce lock/unlock if you enforce editing
via one command. motdedit merge works fine, so no need for
locking. -nivra
\_ There's already some form of locking in motdedit, although I
haven't looked at it much to see how it works (or breaks down).
As the simplest mechanism, we'd only need to make motd.exper
writable by some special user, suid motdedit to that user, and
add the all-users group to the sudoers list for that file cmd.
\_ motdedit uses the normal file lock that standard text editors
can use. It's not an absolute lock that prevents others
from editing, obviously. My point is that one of the reasons
people didn't use motdedit, esp. when threads are in heavy
debate, is the pain of having to wait while others edit
and have the motd locked. motdedit -n doesn't require a lock,
and still prevents overwrites. Thus, you can implement your
solution without requiring locks, as long as everyone is
using motdedit. I shoulda just made "-n" the default. -nivra
[Re-posted after it was overwritten, ironically, enough]
\_ speaking of which, it just merged my post with this one below
it. -nivra
\_ One thing I was thinking of was to create a bona-fide
threaded interface, something with a database behind it where
users can post anonymously (but not delete their or other records).
Nothing revolutionary, by far, but tailor it for something like Lynx
and automatically generate a 'read-only, most recent' list piped
to motd.public - something that looks exactly like this. Perhaps
make it only locally accessible, though (the interface, not the motd).
Sounds controversial, though, and your idea might be better in the
short-term, if nothing else.
\_ http://csua.org/motd
\_ Haha, fabulous. It always amazes me the sheer quantity of crap
on here yet to be discovered (by me, at least). So, uh, why
don't we just make people use that?
\_ of course, most people probably look directly at the .public file
and it'd be a shame not to be able to do interleaved threading...
\_ it's called "wall" -meyers |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:37637 Activity:nil 57%like:37626 |
The uncensored messages below this line is a SIMULATION of what motd would look like if it was run by moonbats with an overblown sense of their own wittiness. \_ What the fuck is a moonbat? It's self apparent that it's not funny so what is it? \_ http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moonbat&r=f |
| 2005/5/11-13 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:37638 Activity:moderate |
5/11 Told you it was the smoking gun:
http://csua.org/u/c0p (yahoo news)
\_ Well, the people decide if it's a smoking gun or not, but it did
appear on http://CNN.com's front page today:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/11/britain.war.memo/index.html
If you ask me, Dubya et al. will just say they had two bi-partisan
committees (9/11 Commission and WMDs in Iraq Commission) say that
political pressure did not change analysts' intelligence judgments.
Sorry to be trite, but, Paula's getting away with it, why can't
Dubya?
\_ Where is the full text of the memo so I can decide for myself?
\_ http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html
Blair's people have not disavowed authenticity of the memo, and
have instead said it's "nothing new", and that the UK tried
hardest to go the diplomatic route.
Unfortunately, Saddam accepted the UN inspectors when asked,
and the U.S. kicked them out this time instead of Saddam kicking
out the inspectors.
and the U.S. kicked them out this time instead of Saddam.
Dubya's people told Dubya that Saddam definitely had WMDs and
that Blix wasn't going to find anything because Blix's people
were inept.
Dubya's people == The Stupid. Dubya == (no words are necessary)
\_ Check your history. Saddam Hussein never kicked out any
inspectors. Last time, they left of their own in advance of
Clinton's bombing campaign. It's interesting that otherwise
well-informed people seem to not know this. That's not meant
to be disrespect, BTW. I just think it's interesting.
-- ulysses
\_ "kicked them out" is a simple way of saying that in 1994
(or was it 1998?) Saddam simply made it impossible for them
to do their jobs and so they left.
\_ It is a bit more complicated than that. First, they left
in a huff because SH was not co-operating, then the UN
condemned SH, then SH let them back in, then he kicked them
out and Clinton threated SH, then SH let them back in
but did not co-operate, then Clinton pulled them out
and bombed Iraq in Desert Fox. IIRC. Shit, it turns out
to be even more convoluted than that:
http://csua.org/u/c12
But in any case, at least once, SH kicked the inspectors
out.
\_ See, this is exactly what I thought it was. It wasn't that
Bush had decided to go into Iraq. It was that Bush didn't
think anything other than military action would get Saddam to
disarm so given the ultimatum, he expected Saddam to reject
anything other than armed conflict. Smoking gun my ass.
\_ "C reported on his recent talks in Washington.
There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military
action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to
remove Saddam, through military action, justified
by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the
intelligence and facts were being fixed around the
policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route,
and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the
Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion
in Washington of the aftermath after military
action."
The inspectors were on the ground. Saddam posed no
threat to us or his neighbors. Bush wanted this war
and he got it.
\_ You're a sick fuck. I wish there were ghosts so the 100k+
people who have died because of this man could twist your
soul in every last pit of hell.
\_ What 100k+? The number dead depends on your political
bias. http://csua.org/u/c10
\_ It wouldn't have to if we actually bothered to COUNT
THEM. Sick fucker.
\_ If the US kept count, then we'd be arguing over
the accuracy of the count. Whether you'd argue
for over- or under- counting depends on your
political bias, of course.
\_ How 'bout we just say "LOTS." I hope LOTS
of ghosts twist your soul in hell.
\_ How do you know it's "LOTS"? When is it
"LOTS" anyway? Isn't that subject to
interpretation depending on one's political
bias?
\_ How many would not be "LOTS"? You really
are an obnoxious little bastard.
\_ Exactly. It all depends on your
personal bias.
\_ No, I think you're an obnoxious
little bastard regardless of
personal bias.
\_ The Lancet is a medical journal, it does not have
a political bias. It is just reporting inconvenient
\_ HA HA HA HA HA!!
\_ Let me guess, you are one of those guys
who thinks evolution is an evil plan
to turn our children away from Christianity?
facts so the Neocons try and politicize them.
\_ Oh look, more oil-for-food scandal news! |
| 2005/5/11-13 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:37640 Activity:nil |
5/11 Maybe this is old news, but there is a mit project to prevent addr
harvesting from known_hosts files:
http://nms.csail.mit.edu/projects/ssh
Their paper on ssh worms propogating via info discovered from the
known_hosts files is interesting:
http://nms.csail.mit.edu/projects/ssh/sshworm.pdf |
| 2005/5/11-12 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:37641 Activity:nil |
5/11 I made a boo-boo in my motd monitoring script and I don't know how
to fix it. It might go back up, esp. when everyone calms down -kchang |
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