Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2005:April:06 Wednesday <Tuesday, Thursday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2005/4/6-7 [Computer/SW/RevisionControl] UID:37080 Activity:kinda low
4/5     I'm in a big dilemma. When I do "cvs update -P" it works most of
        the time, but for some reason some files don't get updated AT ALL!
        I end up having to delete them manually and then do a cvs update
        to get the latest version. I'm so tempted to re-checkout the entire
        tree (which will cost me 4-5 hours to rebuild, etc). What's going on?
        \_ May have sticky tags.  Try doing cvs update -A
        \_ Have you checked the permissions on the troubled files and
           their parent directories?
           \_ Also make sure they don't have system immutable flag set
              or something similarly silly (man chflags)  -John
2005/4/6-8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:37081 Activity:moderate
4/5     Watch total moron write about how "we were ALL wrong!" on WMDs:
        (Yes, you can be a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals and be an idiot.)
        \- Richard Posner has been called a lot of things for sure, but
           nobody ever calls him an idiot. The same is said for Scalia, but
           Posner >> Scalia. --psb
           \_ OK, he has a lot of poorly founded assumptions in there, and
              neglects a lot of very compelling arguments that counter his
              article's points.  -John (!op)
              \- He's writing in the WaPo. He writes more substantially
                 but still to the general informed reader at:
                 You can also follow Poser via "Article iii groupie". --psb
                 \- This is a good article about Posner, by Alan Ryan, who
                    is well-regarded philosopher. --psb
                 \_ OK, I wasn't commenting on Posner per se, as I know he
                    can be a smart guy, but even smart guys write shit
                    articles occasionally.  And this one is not worthy.  -John
                    \-  Posner does "skip steps" a lot. You have to have some
                        insight into the Giant Hedgehog World View to follow
                        what he is saying often. Also, sometimes he is
                        making a narrow technical point and should do a little
                        more to circumscribe his comments and clearly indicate
                        certain generalizations should not be drawn. He really
                        is somebody who weighs in on everything (see google).
                        One reason he probably wont be nominated to USSC. --psb
                        \_ If there is an opening, many feel that Posner
                           will be nominated b/c he is universally recognized
                           as one of the finest minds in the judiciary, the
                           Cardozo or Holmes of our generation if you will.
                           \- you mean you dont think BUSH I was correct when
                              he said THOMAS was the best man for the job?
                              while i think he'd be a good chief [would be
                              respected by current justices, is a machine
                              when it comes to productivity] i would be
                              surprise to see ROVECO nominate him, --psb
                              \- You know if by some miracle posner became
                                 chief justice, he might bag on THOMAS some,
                                 which would be really awesome. here is the
                                 hatchet job on DOUGLAS. --psb
                              \_ I think Posner is better than Thomas,
                                    \- gee, really?
                                 (which does not imply that Thomas is
                                 a bad justice, I would be overjoyed
                                 to be as "bad" as Thomas.)
           \_ Is Posner being a devious asshole, by ignoring his higher
              intellectual faculties?  Is Posner helping his good friends /
              associates while consciously ignoring the obvious truth of the
              Perhaps.  Until then, he's an idiot.
              His reputation for non-idiocy may have gotten him on the Post
              opinions page for this article, but his non-idiot cachet just
              took a big hit.
        \_ He's not an idiot. He is a very smart and clever propagandist.
           Note his use of "nearly every competent observer." Anyone who
           disagrees with the Establishment line, is by definition,
           incompetent and not worth listening to. It is this kind of
           self-sustaining insular world view that has put Washington DC
           on such a collision course with the rest of the world. These
           people are like Michael Jackson: they are nuts, but so wealthy
           and powerful that they can just fire anyone who tells them
           anything they don't want to hear.
           \_ Competent observer means those who have invested sufficient
              time and resources into investigating and observing the
              situation. This does not mean anyone who disagrees w/ the
              establishment's line is incompetent. In this case there were
              no parties who had invested as much time and effort as MI-6,
              CIA, &c. into investigating the situation and had reached a
              dissenting opinion.
              When it comes down to it, who are you going to trust, the
              spooks or a bunch of loony tie-dye pot smoking kooks w/
              purple hair and body piercings shouting free mumia, free pot
              and no blood for oil? I'd go w/ the spooks everytime, they
              have a much better track record than the kooks.
              \_ The kooks knew about COINTELPRO before anyone else.
2005/4/6-7 [Politics/Domestic/California, Reference/Tax] UID:37082 Activity:moderate
4/5     So it begins.  Welcome to the culture of death:
        \_ Big churches esp. Catholic, gives me this image of having a
           lot of clout like the ones mafias have. I would think that if
           pro-lifers seriously want her to live, [weathly] Churches like the
           ones in Utah would have no problem coming up with Save-a-Shiavo
           campaign. In addition, it would be a great public relationship
           stunt. The fact that none of the Churches offered a penny or
           had not organized any visible and successful campaign, shows you
           that either they don't give a damn, or that they're not as powerful
           as GodFather the movie portrays them to be.           -troll
        \_ WHY is it anyone not talking about bolemia and anorexia and other
           things that could have prevented Shiavo's death in the first
           place? I mean, an ounce of prevention is... you know.
        \_ i for one welcome our new culture of death overlords.
           \_ "Hail Death!"
        \_ How much of your tax money would you like to go toward keeping
           ABD (all but dead) people alive?  Would you rather that money
           went toward schools or prenatal care?  How much of your income
           would you like to pay in taxes?  As for me, if I am ABD, take
           the money and buy immunizations for the poor, and let me drop
           dead. --PeterM
           \_ The *real* question is *who* decides which people are ABD.
              \_ Who do you think is deciding now?  If you disagreed in
                 Schiavo's case, it was the doctors who decided she was
                 hopeless, and her guardian chose to end extraordinary
                 measures.  That seems the right way to me.
        \_ It is long past time for us as a society to have this discussion.
           I worked in a hospital and I used to watch doctors do stupid
           and expensive procedures on people who were obviously in their
           last few months of life.
           \_ And I've seen doctors not give a shit about whether someone lives
              or dies.  They're the ones we're bowing down to.
              \_ Where did you see a doctor like that? I worked in two different
                 hospitals for a total of 4 years and I never saw anything
                 close to resembling what you are describing.
                 \_ Radiation Oncology.
                    \_ This makes the case for a serious conversation about
                       how to handle these cases even more compelling.
        \_ We've always been a culture of death. Even those expousing the
           "Culture of Life" are enamored by death and have fetishized their
           beliefs to the point of ridiculousness.
2005/4/6-7 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/Abortion, Reference/Religion] UID:37083 Activity:high
4/5     Terri's funeral was last night.  Her family wasn't allowed to have any
        of the ashes, or even a lock of her hair.  Michael of course cremated
        her immediately and didn't allow a Catholic funeral or burial.
        [I'll keep reposting as you keep deleting]
        \_ No, no bias here!  Nossir!  None at all!  TOTALLY OBJECTIVE!
           \_ The only thing not objective is the "of course".
        \_ Yep, he truly "loved" her.
           \_ What does love have to do with those decisions?
        \_ Why is this any of your business?
           \_ Why is anything any of your business? -!pp
              \_ Lots of things affect me directly or indirectly. These
                 things are my business. This is a personal and private
                 issue between family members and the people who are
                 intruding are rude and morbid, imnsho.
                 \_ "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a
                    piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be
                    washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if
                    a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's
                    or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me,
                    because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never
                    send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee."
                    \- ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for terri.
                       \_ The bell doth toll for him that thinks it doth.
        \_ If they're not Catholic, why should they have a catholic funeral?
           \_ Terri was Catholic.
              \_ So was I.  People change, swear off organized religion
                 \_ What is the evidence that she did this?
                    \_ Uhm, she married an undevout Lutheran, maybe?
        \_ If I die, I rather be cremated.  I dont want put myself in box and
           have the bugs eaten my body.
           \_ Your English needs work. but, why do you care if bugs eat your
              corpse? You're dead! I guess it means future anthropologists
              can't dig up your old bones or fossils. Personally, assuming
              I live to old age I'll look into the cryogenic shit. Why not.
        \_ Smart choice.  Now he won't have to go through all the bullshit
           in the future when her family and Congress decide the doctor
           performing the autopsy was liberal, or gay, or pro-choice or had
           the wrong color hair or who knows and they need to exhume the body
           to prove she actually had an IQ of 210 right before they pulled
           the feeding tube.  If I was in his shoes I would do anything to
           bring closure to 15 years of this garbage.
           \_ Your English needs work. but, why do you care if bugs eat your
              corpse? You're dead! I guess it means future anthropologists
              can't dig up your old bones or fossils. Personally, assuming
              I live to old age I'll look into the cryogenic shit. Why not.
        \_ Is she brain dead now? No, not yet, run more tests, file suits.
        \_ If you thought Terri's parents have been total assholes, especially
           in the last couple months, maybe you'd do the same thing.
2005/4/6-7 [Computer/SW/Languages, Computer/SW/Security] UID:37084 Activity:high
4/6     My banks, brokers and credit card companies are promoting paperless
        statements.  If I tell them to stop mailing me paper statements, and
        later there's a gitch on their computers, will I be in a disadvantage
        proving my case with prinouts from their web pages compare to if I
        have their paper statements?  I'm trying to see if it's a good idea to
        stop the paper statements in my mailbox in order to avoid ID theft.
        \_ Can you ask them whether they can somehow sign their statements
           that they send to you (x.509 cert, pgp, etc.?)  What's the
           situation on digital signing/non-repudiation in the US right now
           anyway?  Even if there's no precedent or legal basis for it, it
           might still be better than just an occasional email or web page
           printout.  If you're worried about ID theft from paper statements,
           there are easier ways of doing it (credit card slips, for example.)
           You could just get a PO box too.  If your bank is putting info that
           could be used to compromise your authentication details on paper
           statements, find a new bank.  -John
           \_ All my bank and credit card paper statements have account numbers
              on them.  I think stealing mail from my mailbox at the front of
              my house in broad daylight is very easy.
           \_ my friends in comp security all say digital signature and
              non-repudiation is a non-issue.  the courts don't care and will
              accept all kinds of strange records if presented w/ an
              avidavit/oath of truth.  hell, fax'd signatures are enough,
              and anyone can forge one of those.  records are the starting
              point for deliberation, not the endpoint.
              \_ It's an issue in countries with a proper legal framework, and
                 with banks that give a rat's ass (American banks are
                 notorious in that regard, and for not paying a lot of
                 attention to proper authentication.)  Will a paper statement
                 serve as proof in court in case of a dispute?  I'm asking
                 because you're essentially trusting their record keeping
                 (such as transaction serial #s, etc.) to verify the
                 authenticity of the documentation.  -John
        \_ I think you should do a risk assessment of using the bank's
           record keeping vs. your own and see which is more likely to fail.
           \_ Yes my record is more likely to fail, but that's not the issue.
              If my record has a mistake, the bank is not going to go by my
              record to determine how much I have left in my account.  But if
              the bank record has a mistake, the bank will most likely go by
              its record unless I can prove otherwise.  Now my question is:
              does a printout from a web page as good a proof as the fancy
              paper statement from the bank?
              \_ I think you'll find neither of them can prove a balance.
                 the record of transactions is useful so you can ask for
                 details on any transactions that occured which are not
                 in your records, e.g. reconciliation of accounts.
        \_ I filed a small claims lawsuit and needed to print out a statement.
           8 months passed between when I filed for the claim and when the
           trial's gonna happen. That month I tried to print out bank
           statements but it said "Sorry we only go back to 6 months." I
           had no choice but to delay the trial date. What a drag.
        \_ I think if you care about these sort of things, then you should
           keep the paper copy. I do the same thing for the very same reason.
2005/4/6-8 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:37085 Activity:nil
4/6     In Linux, when I type "limit" I get to see the max # of file
        descriptors I can have. How do I check the number of descriptors
        I'm holding and how do I change it? "limit descriptors 8096"
        doesn't work (think I might need root or something)
        \_ limit/ulimit work at the shell level.  You can see the number of
           descriptors held in /proc/self/fd.  To change the max fd's, you
           may need to change the hardcoded limits in /etc/security/limits.conf
           your syntax is right, but you are probably trying to go past the
           hard limit (limit -h to view)  Yes, you will need root access to
           change the hard limit.
2005/4/6-7 [Uncategorized] UID:37086 Activity:nil 75%like:37099
4/6     How does one go about watching the new Dr. Who in this country?  I
        assume it's on some p2p network, but is there a legitimate way to either
        buy a copy, or is it being shown on TV anytime soon?
2005/4/6 [Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:37087 Activity:nil
4/5     fuck you and die.
        \_ Yay!
2005/4/6-7 [Science] UID:37088 Activity:nil
4/5     Wow, this is the first time I've seen so many red and green bars:
        Oh and if you have a better spy technology please email me   -kchang
        \_ What is the significance of the red and green bars? -dans
           \_ red means delete, green means add. Bar size ~ file size.
              \_ Your red bar is so big and tax free!
2005/4/6-8 [Academia/GradSchool] UID:37089 Activity:nil
4/5     Stat Consultant job posted
        for PhD in Statistics, Applied Statistics, Economics, or Mathematics
        \_ What's the hiring timeline? I'm still finishing my PhD. -nivra
           \_ No set timeline. I'd encourage anyone on track to graduate
              to apply anyway.
2005/4/6-7 [Politics/Domestic] UID:37090 Activity:nil
4/5     Tom Delay, you're going down! --Ash
        \_ I'm just getting started on the ethics violations and
           corruption -- Tom DeLay
2005/4/6-8 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Industry/Jobs] UID:37091 Activity:nil
4/5     Does anyone know of open tech writing positions?  I have a friend that
        is pretty good, and he was just let go by a failing company. --jwm
        \_ Poor guy.  You're a victim of the Great Terri Schiavo script war.
           \_ You assume it's a script war.
              \_ True, very true.
           \_ Well, I don't let it bother me.
              \_ Good man.
           \_ Thank you. --jwm
2005/4/6 [Uncategorized] UID:37092 Activity:nil
4/5     Ha Ha! --Nelson
2005/4/6-8 [Computer/Companies/Apple] UID:37093 Activity:nil 66%like:37076
4/5     When will Apple release the Orgy?
        \_ Will the Tiger pray the Longhorn?  Tonight at eight on Discovery
2005/4/6-8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Aspolito] UID:37094 Activity:nil
4/6     come work with aspo and brain and crebbs.  It will be fun!
        QA job in Emeryville.  See /csua/pub/jobs/WaveMarket . -brain
2005/4/6-8 [Recreation/Celebrity/WilliamHung] UID:37095 Activity:high
4/6     Heck, I'll try it. Anybody here know where one can buy a string (i.e
        Brazilian as opposed to thong) bikini brief? Thongs seems to have
        driven strong bikinis off the mkt and my so won't wear thongs.
        \_ La Perla, Agent Provocateur (if you want to make a good
           impression), Victoria's Secret (so-so, overpriced & sometimes
           lacks quality apparently), Janet Reger, and pretty much any
           lingerie store around.  Don't be shy about walking in and asking
           for help.  I assume this is for women's underwear.  For swimwear,
           try, or just STFW.  -John
           \_ Cosabella (Italian) on the higher end or
              La Senza (Canadian) on the lower end.
              \_ La Senza is pretty much what I was looking for. Thanks!
                 John, thank you, too. I neglected to mention that I'm
                 looking for underwear-ish stuff rather than lingerie. 78
                 pounds for a frickin' thong? I wonder how that compare by
                 weight with the price of gold?
                 \_ Victoria's Secret, as mentioned, is overpriced and bad
                    quality.  As for underwear vs. lingerie, we're not talking
                    Frederick's of Hollywood here (bad idea.)  There needn't
                    be a difference--a lot of female friends of mine wear
                    undie cuts that a few years ago you would have seen in the
                    back of men's mags--they tell me it's comfortable.  -John
                    back of men's mags--they tell me it's comfortable.  And
                    apologies for not considering that you might be on a
                    budget--H&M is pretty popular with students here, and
                    Princesse Tamtam, Huit as well.  -John
                 \_ Ya, La Senza is cheaper than VS but supposedly better.
                 \_ Sex >> Gold.
                    \_ GIve it up.  No one wants you in bed.
                        \_ With enough gold you can have almost anyone in
                           bed regardless of what you look like.
                           \_ well, no.
                                \_ actually he/she's right. just look at
                                   pop culture.
                                   \_ "you can have someone hot" != "you can
                                      have almost anyone"
              \_ just a note. Cosabella gets rave reviews for comfort.
                                        \_ Exhibits A and B: Verne Troyer and
                                           William Hung.  Oh, and lets not
                                           forget infinite numbers of ugly
                                           \_ didn't WH just get
                                           married ?

                                           \_ I knew a really nice (hot) girl
                                              who William Hung would call all
                                              the time. She had no interest in
                                              him but always always still very
                                              nice to him. Her boyfriend
                                              thought the whole situation was
                                              pretty funny (WH knew about him).
                                              \_ That means he probably
                                                 fucked her once. Pity fuck,
                                                 of course.
              \_ just a note. Cosabella gets rave reviews for comfort. --psb
                 \_ Thanks for the tip.
                    Just stopped into Nordstrom's to see about Cosabella.
                    Unfortunately, all they had was thongs. DKNY and CK both
                    actually had some nice string bikinis. I couldn't check
                    them for comfort, though...The search continues.
                        \_ Don't worry psb has already prechecked for comfort.
2005/4/6-7 [Recreation/Dating] UID:37096 Activity:high
4/6     I lust after the American Apparel models.
        Not really work safe but you can say you're buying stuff for your wife
        or gf (which is actually what I am doing, so there you have it).
        \_ With all the porn on the Internet you waste time lusting here?!
           \_ As I indicated, I wasn't really wasting time...
              \_ Wasted my time, but jeezuz really... May as well lust
                 over the girls at any laundromat. What's so special about
                 this site or these girls?
                 \_ WHo died and made you Elmer Fudd that your time is so
                    precious that 1 minute would matter so much?  Get over
                 \_ <Sigh> nothing clearly. The site? I like the clothes.
                    The girls? I lust after them. Not so much the guy.
                    Do you have to, as well? If you want yourself
                    some pr0n, I'm sure you know where to find it.
                    \_ It's just a waste of perfectly good lust to lust
                       over plain-looking skinny girls in uninteresting
                       clothes. You need to get out more.
                       \_ That might be true.
                    \_ I think they are great photos too, of pretty but
                       not overdone women shot in a compelling realistic
                       fashion. They seem like real women you could really
                       \_ Just what I want to fantasize about. If you want
                          'real women you could really date' go to a bar.
                          Then you might get to see them naked later, too.
                          \_ is there some reason you care what someone
                             else fantasizes about?  -tom
                             \_ When he posts about it in public, wasting
                                everyone's time then yes.
                                \_ You, sir, are an ass.    -everyone
                                   \_ I love to lust over the girls in
                                      National Geographic. I guess I
                                      should post a link here on the MOTD.
                                      \_ If you think the two are comparable,
                                         then you're just plain retarded...
                                         AND a stubborn ass.   -everyone
                                         \_ Terri Schiavo was HOT!
2005/4/6-7 [Uncategorized] UID:37097 Activity:moderate
4/6     Is titanium stronger than aluminium for the same weight?
        \- you normally ask "strong in tension/torsion/strain/compression"
           etc, but yes.
           \_ A tube trying to be bent. tension/compression?
              \_ strain
                 \_ Ooh!  Your stress tensor is so BIG and STRAIN FREE!
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