Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2005:February:22 Tuesday <Monday, Wednesday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2005/2/22-23 [Uncategorized] UID:36359 Activity:nil
2/22    I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who's ever subcontracted through
        SAIC--I have a few questions regarding their contracts.  -John
2005/2/22 [Reference/Languages] UID:36360 Activity:very high
2/21    Do alumnis get email account from Cal these days?  Used to
        have  What's the status now?
        \_ You can get an account at <DEAD><DEAD>
        \_ "Alumni" is already plural.  Kids these days.
           \_ We've been through this fucking song and dance like fifty
              times already. Nobody cares. Even the fucking Romans didn't
              speak like they wrote.
              \_ Woah, where do we get these audio recordings from
                 ancient Roman times?
                 \_ If that was supposed to be a joke, it's not funny.
                    If you really don't know anything about the
                    development of Latin into modern day Romance languages
                    then I'd suggest you look it up on Wikipidedia.
                    You can also google the term "vulgar latin"
                    In addition, there are plenty of terms we use today
                    derived from latin which are incorrect, such as
                    we commonly say "the data" when "data" is plural for
                    "datum," or in the obverse we say things like "virii",
                    which doesn't exist. The closest correct term for the
                    plural of "virus" is "viruses". Anyway, language is a
                    constantly moving target. How we spell things now is
                    as arbitrary as how we spell and say things in the future.
                    If your really want to be anal about it, the title of
                    \_ Forget Latin.  You can't seem to use basic English
                       correctly.  "If you're..." or "If you are...."
                       \_ Err... neither of those make grammatical sense.
                          I think that person simply meant to type "you."
                    the "Cal Alumni Association" is technically grammatically
                    incorrect, since it probably should read "The Cal Alumni's
                    Assocation." Anyway, modern forms have all but dropped
                    the possessive in things like Students Association, so
                    it's acceptable nowadays...
                    \_  Now, write that a hundred times.  If it's not done by
                        sunrise, I'll cut your balls off!
           \_ The pluralization of latin is not something everyone has
              studied even though everyone likes to throw around latin
              words to make themselves look smart. For those studying
              Italian, this whole alumn* bit is easy.
              alumnus - masculine sing.
              alumni - masc (or ambiguous) plural
              alumna - feminine sing.
              alumnae - feminine plural
              \_ While we're on the subject of pluralization, here's a
                 101 on Italian words people tend to get wrong.
                 - spaghetti (p), spaghetto (s)
                   \_ When would you ever need to refer to spaghetti in a
                      singular sense?
                      \_ There is a dry spaghetto stuck up your ass.
                         \_ It snapped and now there is spaghetti stuck up
                            your ass. Hey, Latin can be fun!
                            \_ This joke would work better with the zucchino.
                 - pizza (s), pizze (p)
                 - capuccino (s), capuccini (p)
                 - biscotti (p), biscotto (s)
                 - zucchini (p), zucchino (s)
                 \_ - not (p), important (s)
              \_ and alumnus?
                 \_ oops. corrected.
                 \_ <witty sarcasm deleted because I'm fascist like Bush>
                    \_ But what is the plural form of "fascist"?
                       \_ They're called Republicans.
2005/2/22 [ERROR, uid:36361, category id '18005#3.0825' has no name! , ] UID:36361 Activity:kinda low
2/22    Look for Swift Boat Guy to return with daily rants about the AARP.
        \_ Well, the AARP is pretty evil.
2005/2/22 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:36362 Activity:high
2/22    See if you can spot the loaded questions and false dichotomies on this
        "moral politics" test.
        \_ Apparently I'm a socialist!  I never knew. -jrleek
           \_ That's "terrorist" to you, young man.  Get with the new
        \_ Looks like a ripoff of
           including the bad questions.  -emarkp
           \_ "These so-called ill-treatments and torturing in
              concentration camps, stories of which were spread
              everywhere amongst the people, and particularly by
              detainees who were liberated by the occupying armies,
              were not, as assumed, inflicted methodically, but by
              individual leaders, sub-leaders , and men who laid violent
              hands on them." -- Rudolf Höss, Commandant of Auschwitz
              hands on them." -- Rudolf HM-vss, Commandant of Auschwitz
              until 1943, in his post-war testimony
              \_ "The problem is, this kind of thing occurs in
                 prisons across the country and across the world. And
                 you have to know it's going to be a possibility. And
                 therefore the training and the discipline and the
                 doctrine has to be such that you anticipate that
                 risk. And clearly, that wasn't done to the extent it
                 should." -Don Rumsfeld, Feb 3 2005
           \_ I consider myself liberal and I got:Economic Left/Right: -6.38
              Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.59
        \_ I am a moderate social democrat. No American party represents
           me. But I already knew that!
2005/2/22 [Uncategorized] UID:36363 Activity:very high
2/22    Poll for sysadmins: which mail server do you use?
        sendmail: ..
        \_ On work boxes where we use it for stupid historical reasons: .
        postfix: ..
        \_ On my boxes where I have a choice: .
        Communigate Pro: .
2005/2/22-23 [Recreation/Food] UID:36364 Activity:moderate
2/22    Dear sodans, I need to grind some chinese herbs into powder form.
        They looks like roots and small wood chips. What type of
        machine can I use for this purpose? I am fairly certain a
        regular blender (I have one) will NOT work, as they are
        typically used with liquids and I need them dry. Is a Food
        Processor what I am looking for? (They are expensive but the
        blades are horizontal and seems like they would cut it into
        powder, are they strong enough to cut?) What about regular
        coffee grinders? I've never used one, how strong are they?
        They are much cheaper than food processors and if it works
        it'll be great... Thanks!
        \_ I've seen people use coffee grinders for this.  should be okay.
                \_ I agree. coffee beans are pretty hard, so it should
                   have no problem with your herbs.
        \_ Mortar and pestle
           \_ Oh this one looks funny.
           \_ Get German Mortar, German Mortars are the best!
              Ein Reich Ein Volk Ein German John, HEIL!!!
2005/2/22-23 [Finance/Investment] UID:36365 Activity:nil
2/22    Has anyone used freetrade?  It's run by ameritrade but
        looks pretty sketchy.
        This seems to explain some of the sketchiness -- but it's an old
        \_ It's basic no-frills trading. Don't expect anything other than
           free trades.
        \_ I looked into it a few weeks ago - researched it pretty
           thoroughly on the discussion boards, and it seems legit
           and used by quite a few people, for what it's worth - no
           complaints that I saw except some really old posts that worried
           about their business model.
2005/2/22-23 [Recreation/Humor, Reference/Religion, Science/Biology] UID:36366 Activity:very high Cat_by:auto
2/22    Dear motd conservatives, what do you have to say about this: (Scientific American on evolution).
        We know who you are, please answer.
        \_ Read this and then maybe you can start to reconsider some of
           the assumptions implicit in your question:
           \_ Einstein meant he wasn't an atheist in the crusading sense, but
              he was an atheist in the essential, didn't believe in God sense:
              "From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and
              have always been an atheist ... I have repeatedly said that in
              my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You
              may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading
              spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due
              to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious
              indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of
              humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual
              understanding of nature and of our being."
              "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious
              convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do
              not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but
              have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be
              called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the
              structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
              \_ Einstein is going to hell!                     -Christian
        \_ People are dumb, they believe all sorts of weird crap. Even on
           the MOTD, Berkeley, etc. I've encountered people who believe
           that evolution isn't a proven theory, or that quantum mechanics
           is wrong, or that classical mechanics is wrong and therefore
           invalid, or that a so-called "red state" is completely republican
           or a so-called "blue state" is completely democratic, or that
           tsunamis shouldn't cause deaths because people should be able
           to swim out of it, etc. etc. Trying to convince them otherwise
           is just a futile exercise in frustration because after a certain
           age people's minds just calcify. I mean, if you think about it
           seriously, doesn't the concept of a guy who can tell what's going
           on 24/7 on a planet with over six billion people seem a bit
           ridiculous? Or the fact that a bunch of migrant Jews would know
           better than anyone else that their version of god is the true
           version vs. all the others? If you think about it, it's somewhat
           ironic that a minor cultish sect of judaism took over the
           Western world. I bet if you were living back then in Roman times
           you'd bet the farm that we'd all still be praying to Jupiter in
           the next couple of milleniums. Of course, if you were talking to
           a Born Again Christian they'd say it proves their faith. What
           it really proves is that you can fool a lot of people a lot of
           the time, and we as a human species like to be fooled a lot.
           \_ See, I am not religious but I have a lot of problems with
              evolution.  For one thing, some evolution 'defenders' (it's very
              odd that a theory would need defenders in the first place) have
              taken on decidedly militant tones lately.  It's very misleading
              to talk about evolution as a 'proven theory,' firstly because
              evolution is an empirical claim and as such isn't something you
              prove, and secondly because there is no single 'theory of
              evolution.'  The theory, like many mature theories, undergone
              evolution.'  The theory, like many mature theories, has undergone
              several revisions because it disagreed with the data, and as
              such had to be fixed.  Evolution as a theory has a lot of problems
              that need fixing.  I wish people would stop wasting time with
              the fundies, and similarly stopped treating evolution itself in a
              fundy way, and started fixing problems with it.  Or finding new
              ways to hunt fossils.  On a related topic, I am very interested
              in the current state of the art on the origins of life question,
              which is the big unsolved gorilla you need to tackle if you
              accept the 'western secular' interpretation of life.  I would
              also like to add my extreme scepticism towards current
              explanations for certain events in the Earth's past, like the
              advent of multicellularity, and the Cambrian explosion. -- ilyas
              \_ I postulate God created the Universe! and left all those
                 fossils to lead the heathens to Satan
        \_ You seem to have confused "conservatives" with "young-earth
           creationists".  I'm the former, but not the latter. (And Scientific
           American proved itself as a rag in its attack on "The Skeptical
           Environmentalist") -emarkp
           \_ I really don't understand why people (on both sides) think
              evolution contradicts God/relligion.  What if God desgined
              the principle of evolution?
              \_ because the Bible is the "word of god", and evolution
                 directly contradicts most of the Bible's creation story.  -tom
                 \_ Some people (why, it's beyond me) interpret the Hebrew word
                    'yom' which was translated to English 'day' to mean a
                    literal 24-hour period in the highly symbolic account in
                    Genesis. -emarkp
                    \_ Even if you accept the idea that Genesis doesn't
                       represent literal days, it is still completely wrong.
                       And things like the Great Flood clearly never happened.
                       \_ There's no historical evidence of the exodus, yet I
                          accept that as history.  Some people argue for a
                          limited geography flood (rather than global) which
                          I'm objecting to less than previously.  I know that
                          the scientific evidence strongly contradicts the
                          flood--but then it also strongly contradicts the
                          resurrection, walking on water, etc.  I don't know
                          where dinosaurs figure in (or early hominids) but I
                          don't reject the scientific evidence, nor do I
                          dismiss the teachings of scripture. -emarkp
                          \_ yes, we're well aware of your ability to believe
                             mutually contradictory things.  My original point
                             was just that people who are not so good at that
                             find science to be threatening, since the
                             implication is that their "Word of God" is just
                             a bunch of made-up stories.  -tom
                             \_ It shouldn't be surprising that people can feel
                                threatened when their beliefs are attacked
                                on a regular basis by fallacious logic.  The
                                hard part is separating the reasonable
                                arguments (no scientific evidence for global
                                flood) vs. the fallacious assertions (Jesus
                                wasn't resurrected) vs. fallacious logic (God
                                can't create a rock too big to lift, so he must
                                not be omnipotent!). -emarkp
                                \_ Well, it's not that hard; you can do what
                                   you just did, which is put two red
                                   herrings out there to deflect from the
                                   fact that you've already lost the
                                   argument.  -tom
                    \_ Hewbrew? Some fundies have problems accepting the idea
                       that the King James version isn't the pure translation.
              \_ There are problematic issues when you accept evolution and try
                 to reconcile it with Adam and Eve.  Like, who were the birth
                 parents of Adam & Eve?  Did they have souls, etc.? -emarkp
                 \_ what if the birth parents of adam&eve had slightly
                    different mitochondrial dna and rna..  the mutation in
                    eve's mitochondrial dna and/or rna resulted in a new
                    species (since mitochondrial dna and rna is only passed
                    down maternally.) (of course, this is assuming that
                    it was not literally adam's rib that resulted in eve.)
                 \_ That's the trouble with religion.  You never know which
                    bits of nonsense are 'highly symbolic' (i.e. 'yom') and
                    which are literal truth (i.e. Adam and Eve).  It's fairly
                    obviously to me Adam and Eve were not literally first
                    obvious to me Adam and Eve were not literally first
                    humans. -- ilyas
                    \_ But they appear to have been real individuals who made
                       an important decision.  But then I believe that prophets
                       today clairfy sticky issues like that. -emarkp
                       \_ Wow.  That's really cool.  In my religion, prophets
                          get like, nailed to crosses, or beheaded or end up
                          wandering aimlessly in deserts for 40 years.  What's
                          your current prophet's name?  I'd like to send him an
                          email and get some clarifications.  thanks.
                       \_ What makes you think they were real? Just because
                          there's a legend about them? Don't you see how
                          fucking retarded that is?
                          \_ I accept the Bible as a record of revelations.  I
                             don't claim it to be perfect/inerrant, etc.
                             Reading that record strongly indicates there were
                             two people named Adam and Eve in Genesis. -emarkp
                             \_ You don't address my question. I ask you why
                                accept that. There's no basis for accepting it.
                                \_ You asked if I believed that Adam and Eve
                                   were real just because there's a legend
                                   about them.  Reparsing that, my answer is:
                                   no. -emarkp
                                   \_ Well my further question is why you
                                      accept the bible as a record when there
                                      are obvious problems with that. Just
                                      taking the Mormon stuff separately, you
                                      are basing a huge set of beliefs on the
                                      mere assertion of one man. I find that
                                      to be ridiculous. And absurd that God
                                      would operate in such a feeble fashion.
                                      (Although I believe the same basically
                                      goes for Christ, at least the claim there
                                      is that various miracles were witnessed
                                      by multitudes.)
                                      \_ Along this thread, i've wondered why
                                         the Stargate series hasn't touched on
                                         christianity.  seems a logical plot
                                      \_ One man?  How's that?  There were 11
                                         witnesses of the golden plates that
                                         the BoM was translated from. -emarkp
                                         \_ Oh 11? I wasn't aware of that. See,
                                            God's not too good at getting His
                                            message across. Since 11 people
                                            saw it I'll believe it now.
                                            \_ Glad I could help.
                                               \_ What would you do if somehow
                                                  something came up that proved
                                                  Mormonism was untrue? Would
                                                  be willing to accept that or
                                                  just have faith that it's
                                                  true anyway? I guess I'm
                                                  thinking like a verifiable
                                                  diary of the dude admitting
                                                  he cooked it all up in order
                                                  to reap the benefits of
                                                  ruling a cult.
         \_"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
            by the wise as false, and by
            rulers as useful." -- Seneca
            by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." -- Seneca
                \_ Great quote, thanks.  I also found this quote by the
                   same:  "I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives".
           \_ This is hilarious!!! Best jotd, thanks for sharing this.
           \_ how many death threats did the author get from this?
           \_ Crap I laughed my ass off -- One of the more brilliant things
              I've seen on the internet so far -- much better than "tubgirl"
        \_ 1. Conservative != Religious.  I'm sure there are plenty of
           atheist conservatives.  2.  You cannot reason with religious people
           about their religion, especially if it's Christianity/Islam/
           Mormonism, etc., religions that say "This is the way the Universe
           works exactly even if your own eyes say otherwise", as opposed to
           other religions that don't try to tell you exactly how the Universe
           works but just try to give people a moral framework and some
           philosophical insight.  Like Governor Jesse Ventura said, religion
           is mostly for people who cannot deal with the philosophical
           implications of what happens when you die, when did the Universe
           begin/was it always here/how will it end, etc.  If you cannot
           figure it out yourself, life becomes hard because it makes reality
           harder to cope with.  So you turn to religion to give you answers.
           Or, you've been brought up with it or your country/community
           encourages/forces it.
           But trying to "reason" with religious people is hopeless since they
           have already accepted conflicting information in order to gain the
           above answers to the difficult questions of life, even if it does
           seem silly to some to base your understanding of reality on texts
           writting 2000+ years ago.  Would you trust a surgeon from 2000 years
           ago to operate on you?
2005/2/22-23 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:36367 Activity:high 66%like:36017
2/22    What is your career?
        \_ Manager
        \_ Software Engineer: .....
        \_ Design Verification Engineer
        \_ SysAdmin .
        \_ Teacher .
        \_ Consultant ..
           \_ that's not a career. you have to say what you consult on.
              \_ Actually, I agree.  Maybe the original poster should delete
                 the Consultant line, and I'll move my dot somewhere else.
              \_ Don't be dense.  I get hired as Victor-Nettoyeur by
                 companies with annoying problems that they can't or don't
                 want to deal with by themselves, and which can't be
                 classified as purely "engineering" or "management" or
                 "astronaut" or whatever, even though it's usually something
                 to do with IT security.  If it makes you happy I'll change
                 it to "Professionally adaptible tech whore".  -John
                 \_ Well, "IT security consultant" would be a career I guess
                    but "consultant" says nothing. There are all kinds of
                    consultants even outside tech.
        \_ Professionally adaptible tech whore .
        \_ White male oppressor .
        \_ Student .
        \_ I'm a graduate student who takes YOUR tax money to advance my own
           education while spending ~15hr/wk reading and writing motd. What
           category do I fall into?
                \_ I'd say the Not Funny category.
                \_ It can't be the !psb category
           \_ Might it be our favorite government funded "libertarian"?
             \_ And if you try to do something about it, your government
                will punish you!
             \_ your tax dollar (NSF, grant, DARPA, etc) soon to be gone:
                DAMN IT! Maybe We need to get real jobs soon.    -grad student
                \_ Bad troll.  If you're just interested in number one,
                   our present totally broken visa system is in your best
                   interest, since it cuts down on competition from talented
                   foreign students. Bush's moronic, politically driven
                   science policy is bad for the nation, but it really
                   doesn't hurt you as a grad student.
                   \_ Actually, the NY Times last week printed an editorial
                      saying that the visa system for international students
                      and scientists has recently been greatly streamlined.
                      \_ Whatever. I'll believe it when I see it.  I work in
                         a lab where about half of the scientists are non-U.S.
                         citizens, and dealing with the U.S. visa system
                         continues to be a total fucking nightmare.
                      \- The Economist says the opposite.
                         \_ Assuming you're talking about the article
                            "On the turning away", you need to re-read the
                            article.  These two articles are talking in
                            different time frames. -jrleek
                   \_ Very true, thanks for pointing this out. By cutting down
                      savages and foreign competition, Manifest Destiny shall
                      be reborn. GWB is proclaiming a message of hope and
                      deliverance for White Christian America. God Bless GWB
                      and John Ashcroft.                     -conservative
                \_ Are you a citizen?  The military-industrial complex is in
                   dire need of software engineers, not as if you're probably
                   not already funded by it:
                   The funniest part is that this is true.
                   \_ Yeah, my PC hippie grad student tenant, who is married
                      to the peace activist grad school drop-out hippie wife,
                      just took a job with a CIA funded corp because they were
                      the only ones willing to hire a linguist in his field
                      of expertise.
        \_ Scientist: ...
        \_ Slacker: .
        \_ Tax Payer:
        \_ Music Industry: .
        \_ Help Desk Specialist and Unix SysAdmin
        \_ Help Desk  pecialist and Unix SysAdmin
        \_ Our company is the leading provider of ircII scripts for
           Fortune 500 executives.
        \- Gigolo -ok, thnk
        \_ Househusband: .
2005/2/22-23 [Uncategorized] UID:36368 Activity:kinda low
2/22    In light of the topic below, are there motd'ers not involved in a
        tech field?
        \_ you mean science and tech? or tech?  There are 3 scientists below.
                \_ just tech. -op
        \_ Does biology count?  How about publishing?
        \_ Does patent law count at "tech"? That's what I'll be doing when
           I get out of LS.
           \_ No.
2005/2/22-23 [Recreation/Humor, Reference/Religion] UID:36369 Activity:moderate Cat_by:auto
2/22    emarkp, does your baby have mad book?
        \_ That was pretty awesome.
        \_ FUNNY! Best hilarious site of the year. I wonder how many death
           threats this guy got from religious right fundamentalists though.
           \_ Ummm... presumably none.  Most fundies like this sort of
              \_ Yeah, I don't think this would offend many Christians.
        \_ I don't go to URL's without descriptions.  Especially from the motd.
           And I'm done answering anonymous questions. -emarkp
           \_ And you've had your sense of humor surgically removed, I see.
              \_ Not that I'm all that sympathetic to emarkp, but don't be
                 fucking stupid.  I don't think having all the anti-religious
                 trolls beating on you can reasonably be likened to a 'joke'.
                 \_ Thank you, leave him alone.  He's usually wrong, but at
                    least he sticks by his opinions and signs his posts, which
                    is more than I can say for most of the third-rate
                    repressed schoolyard bully types.  -John
           \_ It's a parody of the music video "I Like Big Butt." The title is
              "I Like Big Bible," and it encourages people to read the Bible.
              And thanks for answering anon questions, you're a brave soul.
              You have a lot of guts standing up for your belief knowing
              that you'll be ridiculed over and over again. It takes a lot of
              guts & faith to do that, and I respect that a lot in a man. Most
               people wouldn't have done the same. Emarkp, you're one fine man
              in my book, and you're cool          -emarkp's agnostic admirer
              \_ I'll second that.     -mice
                 \_ thirded. -- ilyas
                    \_ Fourthed (and I think this applies to jrleek too,
                       for that matter). Though, to the PP, the title of
                       the video is "Baby Got Book" and it's a parody of the
                       Sir Mix-A-Lot song "Baby Got Back".
                         - anonymous motd agnostic socialist coward
              \_ Read this post out loud in a Stuart Smalley voice for hours
                 of fun.
2005/2/22-23 [Computer/Networking, Recreation/Media] UID:36370 Activity:kinda low
2/22    Any thoughts/opinions/experience with this product
        to get cable-tv reception wirelessly? (
        \_ no opinion, but I've always had this dream of buying a cluster of
           homes with my parents and friends so that we can wire cable modem
           and premium cable services to each other without having to pay
           duplicate costs. With this device and Apple's Airport
           Express/Airtunes I can redistribute my MP3 files and cable and
           EVERYTHING without having to wire anything.
           \_ what a great idea, base the largest purchase of your life on
              trying to save $25/month.  -tom
                \_ Actually that was yermom, and it didn't quite take $25
                   in quarters.  -John
                   \_ Weak.  Ordinarily I like the yermom jokes, but tom
                      had a good one.
2005/2/22-23 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:36371 Activity:moderate
        Does the suspect look Asian or black? I mean, this guy looks just like
        Mr. Mackey in South Park, with a big ass balloon head or something.
        \_ Black.  The sketch artist sucks donkey dick, but he drew crinkly
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