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| 2005/2/20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:36336 Activity:nil |
2/20 Bush and Doug Wead?? Dug Weed, are you kidding me??? |
| 2005/2/20 [Politics, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack, Computer/SW] UID:36337 Activity:nil |
2/20 Want to talk about politics? Go to freep or other web sites. jwang,
you're slacking off and you owe me one.
\_ Fuck your momma, asshole. |
| 2005/2/20-21 [Politics/Domestic/911, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:36338 Activity:kinda low |
2/20 Hey jwang, I have a suggestion/feature request. Rather than deleting
politics which I know you hate, how about moving them to another file,
like /etc/motd.politics? I appreciate the hard work you put into
political cleansing in the past few years as it makes motd more
compact, but it would be nice if they're moved instead of eradicated.
You got root, and/or you got ties to root to make it
happen. How about it jwang?
\_ fuck you kchang.
\_ fuck you ilyas.
\_ fuck you meyers.
\_ The above illustrates why conservatives are running the show
(cuz the other side can't get along with one another)
\_ I am on the liberal side now? Someone forgot to let me
know. I don't know (and don't care) what kchang's
politics are. Meyers' politics are irrelevant as he is
an idiot. -- ilyas
\_ Wow, it's like you've known me my whole life! Please
explain to me why foodstamps at gunpoint is bad, but
funding your research at gunpoint is good. -meyers
\_ I personally would go for that, though I think it is sort
of a solution looking for a problem. If I am not interested
in something, I just don't bother with it. I don't go
around trying to decide what is appropriate for others
to read. Actually, how about we create a motd.moderated
and a motd.unmoderated and you can be responsible for
maintaining motd.moderated. -ausman
\_ This is fucking hilarious. How many people does anyone really
think would read motd.moderated?
\_ after 911 the motd went into a lockdown and everyone
switched over to the underground motd. Search for
"underground motd peterm" in the archiver and you'll see.
It's really no big deal, people adapt quickly.
\_ I have a better idea. How about instead of doing that, jwang
gets a fucking clue? -- ilyas
\_ go libertarian go!
\_ Good idea, with one slight change: just made motd.unmoderated
a symlink to motd.public.
\_ Can we also symlink motd.moderated to /dev/null? |
| 2005/2/20-21 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:36339 Activity:moderate |
2/20 I have several gigs of files that I need to transfer from a bsd
machine to an os x machine. What's an efficient way of doing this?
(It's way too many files to gmail to myself.)
\_ Umm, have you heard of ftp, http, scp, rsync, etc.? Email is one
of the least efficient means imaginable for this kind of thing.
\_ rsync, followed by tar | ssh, followed by create a tar/gz file and
use any of the other methods.
\_ Thanks, but I ended up just using ftp (dont' know why I
didn't thinking of it myself). -op |
| 2005/2/20-22 [Recreation/Travel/LasVegas] UID:36340 Activity:high |
2/20 Hunter S. Thompson, RIP.
\_ Suicide. This sucks. Sucks sucks sucks.
\_ Is anyone surprised?
\- this seems an appropriate end. "talkin 'about my generation...
hope i die before i get old" and all that. --psb
\_ "This may be the year when we finally come face to face with
ourselves; finally just lay back and say it---that we are really
just a nation of 220 million used car salesmen with all the money
we need to buy guns and no qualms at all about killing anybody
else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable."
-- HST: Fear And Loathing On The Campaign Trail 1972
\_ "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high
powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird
to live, and too rare to die."
-- HST: Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas
\_ "Old elephants limp off to the hills to die; old Americans go out
to the highway and drive themselves to death with huge cars."
-- HST: Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas
\_ "Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why."
\_ "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long
plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die
like dogs. There's also a negative side."
\_ Man, I'm going to start paraphrasing that as my experience
in the software industry.
\_ Wow, this is really a loss. If I had some ether, I'd inhale
it now, in memorium.
\_ This is really depressing. "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign
Trail" is one of the best books ever. Makes you wonder why he
decided to do it now.
\_ Who is Hunter Thompson and why should we care?
\_ He was a writer and journalist. Whether you love him or not,
it's hard to argue with the statement that there never has been
and never will be anyone like him. For a summary, put his
name into http://news.google.com, but to really get an idea, go
read "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas".
\_ get a clue. -tom
\_ I've never heard of Thompson. Based on a few random
links on google he sounds like some half baked reporter
type. Yes its sad that he killed himself, but lots of
people kill themselves everyday and it doesn't make
the motd.
\_ Seriously go away. If you're really curious, go read
his stuff and come back.
\_ Dude, read him, don't read him, like him, don't
like him, whatever. You can do whatever you want.
Why does it bother you if those of us who were fans
and admirers of him and his work commiserate a bit?
- ether man |
| 2005/2/20-22 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:36341 Activity:high |
2/20 My professor said during WW2, about 1/4 of the congressmen/senate/
politicians were publicly supportive of the Nazi regime. Isn't that
kind of high? Can it actually be true, or he's just exaggerating?
\_ Your prof is full of shit. Do your own research on the German-
American Bund and Charles Lindbergh's activities in the late 1930s.
Also look at the isolationist movement and its association with
the Willkie 1940 campaign. There was a fair amount of sympathy
for nazi Germany in the late 1930s; there was far more drive
towards keeping the US out of European conflicts (FDR had to ram
Lend-Lease through Congress against some stiff opposition.) Your
prof is making the very common revisionist mistake of taking three
different but related philosophies (isolationism, the sympathetic
view of the krats, and outright nazi-hugging) and lumping them
view of the krauts, and outright nazi-hugging) and lumping them
into the same brown pot. -John
\_ During the 1930s to the early 40s most people in the country were
for segregation and there were a couple million KKK members. Also,
Charles Lindbergh was publicly for the Nazi regime. So a lot of
people thought that the Nazi regime was doing the right thing.
Charles Lindbergh was publicly for the Nazi regime. So a lot of
people thought that the Nazi regime was doing the right thing.
\_ It goes beyond the racial and anti-semitism. Hitler was seen
as creating prosperity and order to a Europe many Americans
felt was going to heck in a handbasket. When Germans started
invading, Americans felt it was none of their business and
if it was, Hitler was just straightening out the internal
infighting and bickering of those countries stuck in the
remnants of the Depression.
\_ In the 30's, quite believable. Successively less likely after
Poland, Benelux, France, and the Battle of Britain. Stretches
credulity after Pearl Harbor. Are you sure he said during and
not before?
\_ Hint: WW2 started well before Pearl Harbor....
\_ Fair enough. Did the professor say during or at the
start of? During implies through the entire war.
% dict during
During \Dur"ing\, prep. [Orig., p. pr. of dure.]
In the time of; as long as the action or existence of; as,
during life; during the space of a year.
\_ Probably through most of the American part of the war
too. Germany wasn't seen as a pariah state. There was
a lot of appeal to the fascist state to Americans.
\_ This is a pretty provocative claim. Reference please.
\_ In the beginning it was more about anti-communism and the Nazis
reasserting Germany as a top power after being in the shits for
so long after WW1.
\_ Madison Square garden was packed with pro-Nazi rallies. Of
course, most leftists in America were fervent supporters
of Uncle Joe, who was equal to if not worse than the Nazis.
As for anti-communist, you have to remember the Nazi was
the Socialist party in Germany. There are no pronounced
differences between the political tenets of the Nazis
and the Communists, except for a violent overthrough of
the ruling class.
\_ You are misinformed. National socialism advocates state
direction of economic resources, not eradication of private
ownership. Also, militarism and a regimentation of society by
the state is seen as an ultimate goal. Communism, on the other
hand, does not specifically advocate discrimination based on
ethnicity, or the militaristic expansion of the state (rather,
that of the ideology.) The totalitarian state is seen as a
necessary interlude on the way to a utopian "dictatorship of the
proletariat." Maybe you are confusing stalinism with the
nominal communist ideal? As for "rallyes", maybe you are
referring to a February 1939 rally by the German-American Bund
(who were functionally nazis) and associated organizations (such
as the Christian Front.) Read up on HUAC investigations of
Fritz Kuhn and the Bund. -John
\_ Maybe should reread what you wrote, because it is self
contradictory in parts, and flies in the face of history.
I was speaking to the Nazis and Soviets, who politically
were not that different, EXCEPT, as you say, for a violent
overthrow of the ruling class. The notion that there were no
pogroms in Russia is silly.
LOL "confusing stalinism for the communist ideal",
ok comrade!. Maybe on a piece of paper they are
different constructs but we live in the real world.
\_ "no pronounced differences except for a violent overthrow
of the ruling classes" is your wording. You did not say
"Soviets", you said "communism". As for pogroms, (a) do
do point out where I said there were none, (b) these took
place mainly in Czarist times, (c) ethnic discrimination
is not a part of communist doctrine. And why are you
making me out to be an apologist for either ideology? And
what does "LOL" mean? Is this a political science term?
They didn't teach me that at Cal, sorry. Try again,
young padawan. -John
\_ Comrade, we welcome you! - Chicom troll
\_ Comrade John, we welcome you! - Chicom troll
\_ Chicom troll you're back! *snif* We missed you!
Welcome! -John
\_ well I had referred to Stalin in the previous
sentence, so infer what you will. Look, I'm not
interested in debating the finer points of
dialectical materialism with experts such as
yourself. However, what you are doing, perhaps
unwittingly, is trying to draw a distinction
between the Soviets and Nazis in order to
redeem Communism. The mantra is Communism
is really a worthwhile endeavor, moreover none of
20th century mass murderers were Communist but
something else. You ignore historical
\_ Vladimir Ulyanov was a communist. Want to know how
many people he killed? -- ilyas
realities for what someone writes on a
piece of paper (or on Wikipedia, whatever you
read). If you can't see the implicit contradiction
in the second sentence you wrote in the previous
post, maybe your deception is intentional.
If your entire argument rests on my intentional
omission of the hyper-racial component of
the Nazi's flavor of Communism, all I can say
is duh.
\_ The Soviets didn't call themselves communist. -tom
\_ The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics didn't call
themselves communist. -tom
\_ They make a distiinction between the communist
society which is their utopian objective and the
communist party which (should) struggles toward
that goal.
\_ Horse manure. The Soviets were no more
interested in communism than Bush is
interested in "freedom." They used
some of communism's rhetoric to help
themselves sieze power. -tom
themselves seize power. -tom
\_ Did I say they were (or were not)? I just
wanted to point out that the communists in
USSR most certainly do call themselves
communist when they speak English. To say
otherwise would just be silly. But
maybe you wanted say that they did not claim
or consider their society to be in the ultimate
communist phase yet. I took that into account.
\_ You are putting your own words in John's mouth.
(He is no less a fervent anticommie than you are.)
Unless you just choose to define everyone and
every idealogy you dislike as communists, there is no
reason to identify Nazism and communism. Communism
ideal looks to the "next" step after capitalism and
struggles for an "enlightened" society without class
and property gradient. (I am not suggesting that is
desirable). Nazism ideal looks "back" to the age of
noble (= white) savages roaming Nordic forests and
struggles for a planet ruled by pure "Aryans" in
harmony with maiden nature. (On this I disagree with
John.) In practice, the implementation of both
\_ Huh? Why? Isn't that what I said? And thank
you for your assertion, I ought to hang on to the
claim that I am somehow trying to "redeem"
communism. I suppose some people might
equate trying to know facts about a philosophy
with justifying it; it's still funny :-) -John
\_ You said "militarism and a regimentation of
society by the state is seen as an ultimate
goal" (of nazi.) I don't know if that was the
ultimate of Hitler, but it certainly was not
the ultimate nazi ideal.
create regimes that are quite similar and kill lots
of people, but in that they are far from alone.
\_ What you are doing, perhaps unwittingly, is drawing
a destinction between the pro-fascist American Right
and Nazism. By confusing the difference between
Communism and Nazism, you throw FUD into the very
real concerns some in America have about the
growing populist, militarist and violent Right
Wing movement in America. How many shopkeeper
windows have to be smashed before we call it the
American Kristnacht?
\_ You probably meant 'Kristalnacht,' unless you were
making a lame joke along the lines of
'Christ-nacht.' Feel free to go on with your
very real concerns now. -- ilyas
\_ "The best way to talk to a liberal is
with a baseball bat." -Ann Coulter
And more and more people are taking up
her suggestion.
\_ Oh please. While not a huge Ms. Coulter
fan, I must remark you are straying
dangerously close to accusing John Solomon
of being a proto-Nazi because he suggested
the baseball bat as the proper way of
dealing with spammers. Get a clue. I
wonder what Aaron would be in your book.
I guess he can't be a Nazi because he's a
liberal, but he did fantasize about
gang-banking conservatives 50-to-1. Also,
please give me some instances where 'more
and more' people are taking the baseball
bat to their liberal neighbors. Urls
would be nice. -- ilyas
\_ Last I checked Aaron wasn't selling
millions of books and on the news
as a leftie talking head. Let me know
when he is. Also, he is not the
ally of the people in power, you know
the ones with a legal monopoly on force.
Here are a few urls, there are many
more if you bother to look:
http://www.capogallerysf.com
http://csua.org/u/b50 |