Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2005:February:16 Wednesday <Tuesday, Thursday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2005/2/16-17 [Computer/SW/Database] UID:36190 Activity:nil
2/15    What is a good web based ldap gateway that I can set up which
        will allow my HR people to populate at least the initial entry
        in my ldap db (and send a mail to sysadmin) for new hires.
2005/2/16-17 [Uncategorized] UID:36191 Activity:low
2/15    My search foo is weak:  XP Pro comes with one free "CAL" for
                  \_ your spelling fu is also weak.
                     \_ Even worse, his geek fu is weak.
        terminal services. How much do extra ones cost and where can I buy?
2005/2/16 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:36192 Activity:kinda low
2/15    Predicting the future:
        \_ Wait! The numbers are becoming clearer...I see... a flame war--one
           involving politics.  I see the involvement of ilyas.  I see deletions
           and all is becoming cloudy.
           \_ I knew you were going to say that.  So predictable...
              \_ Where are the WMDs?
                 \_ What?!?  To canada with j00!
2005/2/16-17 [Computer/HW/Memory] UID:36193 Activity:low
2/16    To those that weighed in on the memory problem for me (peterm)
        yesterday, thank you.  We have found purify lacking in the past,
        and it turns out the memory problem was not a leak but rather
        overallocation with no deallocation.  Our guy (not me) found the
        problem by watching the memory use as he stepped through with a
        debugger!  He had tried to use valgrind, which found a tiny
        amount of leaked memory, not the actual problem.  I've cut the
        thread out of the motd and placed it into ~peterm/motdentry.txt
        \_ Sounds like a leak to me.
           \_ The data structures were still linked.  A "leak" is when
              the memory remains allocated but isn't linked so you couldn't
              deallocate it if you wanted to.  Not deallocating was
              sloppy.  --peterm
              \_ Not true. A memory leak can be defined as above poster
                 suggested. In modern parlance with GC this would
                 very much be defined as a leak.
        problem by watching the memory use as he stepped through with a
        debugger!  He had tried to use valgrind, which found a tiny
        amount of leaked memory, not the actual problem.  I've cut the
        thread out of the motd and placed it into ~peterm/motdentry.txt
        \_ I've used valgrind to find leaks like this in the past.  It
           has a way to show you ALL memory allocated not just leaks.
           It was a bit of a hassle but it worked pretty well.  Valgrind
           is pretty damn cool.  -aspo
2005/2/16 [Uncategorized] UID:36194 Activity:low
        Not quite porn and not quite, uh, not
        \_ HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Authorization Required
2005/2/16 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:36195 Activity:low
2/16    Sunnis admit poll boycott blunder
        \_ they learned faster than our minorities
2005/2/16-17 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:36196 Activity:nil
2/16    Dumb linux question:  I copied some mp3's onto my laptop, and now
        I can't remove them.  I get "Permission denied." I don't have
        root.  The permissions are set to -rwxrwxr-x.  How can I delete
        \_ Do you have write permissions on the directory itself?
           \_ Sigh.  duh.  Thanks.  That fixed it.
           \_ You just had to go and make it easy for him, didn't you.
              Should've told him he needs to have the RIAA approve his
              permissions first.
              \_ And the AARP and the NRA.
2005/2/16 [Uncategorized] UID:36197 Activity:nil
2/16    Lance Armstrong to be allowed to win again! doesn't he
        get it yet that they are letting him win?
        \_ Huh?
2005/2/16 [Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:36198 Activity:very high
2/16    motd phycologists, I had a dream about the A-team last night, what
        do you think this means?
        \_ I have XFiles dreams every once in a while.  And only one included
           sex with Scully.  I need to get better at lucid dreaming.
        \_ what the f*** is a phycologist? do you mean psychologist?
           \_ if you mean fuck, say fuck.
                \_ why?
                   \_ do what you say, say what you mean, 'cause one thing
                      leads to another.
                        \_ ok you convinced me.
                           \_ Learn how to post to motd correctly.
                      \_ Why do you say do what you say say what you mean?
                         \_ What do you mean why do you say do what you say say
                            what you mean?
                      \_ Why, do you say, do "what you say" say "what you
        \_ It obviously means you're gay.
        \_ I came to the US some 15 years ago and it was my favorite
           show back then when I was in HS and learning English.
        \_ You need to describe what happens in the dream and how you were
           involved. Were you sucking Face's dick, or were B.A. and Hannibal
           doing you from both ends while Murdock whacked off? Or all of the
           \_ Okay, FUCK YOU for putting that image in my head.  Christ, what
              the fuck is wrong with you people.
           \_ Ummm.. no, it was actually a pretty standard A-Team plot.
              We were busting some hostages out of a mansion.  There was a
              lot of shooting, but no one ever hit anything.  I think I
              was Face.
2005/2/16-17 [Computer/SW/Editors/Vi, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:36199 Activity:low
2/16    Is there a way in ksh to set tab to auto-complete filenames as it
        does in bash?
        \_ isn't double-ESC good enough?
           \_ No, double-ESC is like shit. TAB is way better. -!op
        \_ set -o vi (can't have emacs style line editing and TAB,
           in traditional ksh)
        \_ I don't think there is in traditional ksh.  In pdksh,
           set -o vi-tabcomplete
2005/2/16 [Science/Space] UID:36200 Activity:nil
2/16    Life on Mars?
2005/2/16 [Uncategorized] UID:36201 Activity:very high
2/16    Motd poll -- favorite metasyntactic variable:
        i: .
        foo: .
        corge: .
        yermom: .
2005/2/16 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:36202 Activity:very high
2/16    "Iran Threatens to Shoot Down U.S. Drones" Why don't they just
        shoot it down? I take it they don't have the capability? If
        anyone's flying drones over the US airspace, you bet we would
        shoot it down on the first opportunity.
        \_ what is the international law on sovereignty of airspace? And how
           high do the drones fly? Just curious...
           \_ Bush breaks International Law again. What do you think?
              \_ WRONG. Bush IS the law, international law.
                 \_ Prepare to be JUDGED!
                    \_ 15 years in the academy
                       He was like no cadet they'd ever seen
                       A man so hard his veins bleed ice
                       and when he speaks he never says it twice
                       they call him judge, his last name is Dredd,
                       so break the law and you'll wind up deeeeeeeeaaaaad!
                       Truth and justice is what he's fighting for
                       judge Dredd the man: he is the laaaaaaaawwwwwwww!!!!
                       Respect the badge!!!
                       he earned it with his blood.
                       fear the gun!!
                       your sentence may be death because
                       I am the laaaaaaawwwwwwwww!!!!
        \_ Where's chicom troll to lecture us on the inherent hypocrisy of the
           US and how China is so much more logical and humanitarian....
           \_ you are stupid.  dumb US just destroyed Iran's arch-enemy
              Saddam for them, at the cost of hundreds of billions of dollars,
              and 1500 lives and counting, and are still battling the Iraqi
              Sunnis while Shiite religious fundamentalist parties just
              dominated the election in Iraq.  why would they want to
              shoot down US planes?  chicom troll is not stupid like you.
              even if iran wants to shoot down US plane, they will warn
              first like above, otherwise, US will lie and say they got
              shot down in iraq, blah blah.  now, after the warning,
              when US plane got shot down, the whole world will know
              it's because they violated Iran's airspace and has only
              themselves to blame.  no point getting into unnecessary
              fight with US when it is serving as your running dog.
              the past few years, all the mad iranian mullahs have been
              laughing hysterically at US idiocy and for their regime's good
           \_ Do you have a problem with the above statement? Are you
              suggesting the US will simply protest someone flying
              drones over its airspace? What about the time one CIA
              drone fired a missile at a target on the ground in
              another country? Oh I get it, they are all terrorists,
              and as such they don't have any rights that you so
              proudly claim and try to enforce upon others, but choose
              to abandon at the first sign of trouble for yourself.
              Better yet, call all your enemies terrorists. (Oh wait,
              I take it back, you are already doing that)
              \_ yay! chicom troll's young padawan speaks! -chicom troll #1 fan
                 \_ Wow, nice merging.  This response belongs with the stupid
                    guy, not the problem guy.
           \_ China has been intruding Japanese marine territory with subs for
        \_ Iran claims to have already shot some down. They are going
           public with the info now.
           \_ link?
2005/2/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:36203 Activity:very high
2/16    How do the Republicans on the motd think about this?,1280,-4805078,00.html
        Bush May Raise Taxes for Social Security
        \_ What bullshit.  Bush'll raise taxes for Social Security, but
           the money will actually go to fund the Iraq war and other
           budget needs, just like the current Social Security surplus.
           Yes, that's right:  SS tax brings in more money than SS
           beneficiaries receive, and Congress spends the rest and gives
           the SS system an IOU--which will never be paid because when
           the IOU comes due, we won't have enough tax base to pay it.
           Spending has to be cut.  Period.  --PeterM
           \_ The SS surplus by law is used to buy T-bonds. Currently the
              SS program has trillions in t-bonds and will continue to accumulate
              more until 2018 or so. After that the SS program will start cashing
              in the t-bonds to pay benifits.
           \_ I don't think you are a republican, but thanks for your
              input anyway. -op
              \_ Didn't I sound like a Republican? --PeterM
                 \_ No, a loyal Republican would support private accounts and
                    be opposed to any across the board increase in the
                    payroll tax.
           \_ You sure about that?  If what you were saying were true, "IOU
              ... will never be paid ... enough tax base", don't you think
              Dubya would be saying it would be a lot EARLIER than 2042 when
              we'd be in trouble?  I believe we start drawing on the "IOUs"
              as early as 2010.
              as early as 2018.
              \_ He is: "Some in our country think that Social Security is a
                 trust fund -- in other words, there's a pile of money being
                 accumulated. That's just simply not true. The money -- payroll
                 taxes going into the Social Security are spent. They're spent
                 on benefits and they're spent on government programs. There is
                 no trust. We're on the ultimate pay-as-you-go system -- what
                 goes in comes out. And so, starting in 2018, what's going in
                 -- what's coming out is greater than what's going in. It says
                 we've got a problem. And we'd better start dealing with it now.
                 The longer we wait, the harder it is to fix the problem."
                 - Bush 2/9/2005  (
                 \_ Thanks.  Okay, Dubya does mention 2018 in saying "we've
                    got a problem".  And from what you posted, Dubya is
                    saying the trust fund does not have "a pile of money being
                    So I ask you, peterm, and Dubya, will those government
                    bonds "never be paid" -- never be redeemed?
                    Someone please answer question below:
              Question:  Has the U.S. ever redeemed any of the government bonds
              that surpluses have been used to purchase?
              \_ have you ever redeemed IOUs you wrote to yourself?  SS is
                 a fraud ponzi scheme.  If I, as an individual, tried to
                 sell this kind 'insurance' plan I would be put in jail.
                 \_ "The validity of the public debt of the United
                    States, authorized by law, including debts incurred
                    for payment of pensions and bounties for services
                    in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall
                    not be questioned."
                    Why do you hate America?
                 \_ You would also be put in jail if you overthrew a foreign
                    government.  This is a stupid argument.
                 \_ You and peterm are saying:
                    U.S. economy + U.S. government bonds
                      == Your personal finances + IOUs you write yourself
                    ... when in fact the above equation is a myth.
                    Since this is an important topic, I'll start a new motd
                    thread on another day (sorry, got a lot of work - can't
                    monitor the motd today). -the "You sure about that?" guy
              \_ Bush is the one spending all the damned money.  Of course
                 he doesn't want to come clean.
        \_ Bush is brilliant!   -conservative
           \_ You misspelled 'Republican'.
        \_ Will benefits also be raised? I doubt the plan is for high
           income to pay more in and get the same back out.
        \_ How is this different than what Kerry proposed, which is pretty
           much distributing wealth from the wealthy to the poor?
           \_ Republicans aren't supposed to be raising taxes, at all,
              especially since this is Bush Jr.
              ... Read my lips!
           \_ FUCK POOR PEOPLE!  Maybe if we cut their benefits enough of
              them will FUCKING STARVE and not hold our mighty economy back!
              \_ if there are not poor people, then the middle class becomes
                 the poor people.
           \_ I am not really interested in hearing what Republicans think
              about Kerry. I already know that. -op
        \_ I'm irritated at this.  I'd rather see bigger cuts to the federal
           budget.  But then I'd also like to see the borders secured.  Those
           are the two things that make conservatives scratch their collective
           heads about GW.  -emarkp
           \_ you can't fight a war and then cut taxes and balance the budget,
              something has got to give, and in this case his rich friends
              (ppl making over 90K) are getting fucked. Now they can only
              afford to buy BMW 500s for their kids instead of BMW 740is.
              \_ 90K/year is rich?  Are you a troll?  No one making 90k/year
                 can afford a 740is, kids, mortgage, etc.  Try some math.
                 \_ 90K/year anywhere other than SFBA, LA, or NYC puts you
                    nicely well off, able to afford a house, save for
                    retirement, and leverage into real estate/entrepreneurship.
                    It's not rich, but for most of the nation is upper middle
              \_ The rich friends aren't worried about payroll taxes.  They're
                 sitting pretty with dividend and capital gains cuts, not to
                 mention lower attention on tax avoidance.
              \_ Your assumption is that cutting tax rates reduces revenue.
                 That is not necessarily theoretically true, and isn't actually
                 true in GWB's case.  I've charted the last 100 months of
                 income/expense (from and while revenue dropped
                 dramatically post-9/11, we've increased year-to-year for the
                 past 2 years.  Tax revenue is actually above 1997/1998 levels.
                 \_ This is silly.  Tax revenue _should_ increase year to
                    year.  Why? Because the economy grows year to year.  It is
                    rare for the economy to not have a net gain over the whole
                    year, and even rarer for it to not have a net gain over
                    two years.  The 2004 economy _should_ be larger than the
                    1997 economy.  That's 7 years.  On average the economy has
                    grown ~3 pct(iirc) per year.  That's 21 pct growth since
                    1997, assuming the boom/bust years even out.
                    \_ Except the predictions were that the Bush's economic
                       policy would destroy the economy, 9/11 was a serious
                       blow, and the tax cuts lowered the revenue in theory.
                       \_ Not destroy the economy right away, duh. Def-i-cit.
                          \_ Deficit/GDP is lower than 1990-1993 years.
                             \_ It is true that it is lower than the worst
                                period since WWII. It is the second worst.
                       \_ Tax cuts did lower the revenue, look at the numbers
                          below.  The economy was not destroyed.  Yes, it
                          entered recession, but overall, growth occurred from
                          2000-2004.  The key is that _despite_ economic
                          growth almost equal to the Clinton boom years, gvmt
                          tax revenue dropped SUBSTANTIALLY.  Ergo, in
                          actuality, tax cuts reduce tax revenue.
                 \_  "From 1996 to 2000 GDP grew by $2 trillion, and tax
                      revenues grew by $550 billion. From 2000 to 2004 GDP
                      grew by $1.9 trillion, but tax revenues declined by
                      $143 billion. What changed? We had roughly the same
                      level of economic activity. If tax cuts lead to more
                      federal revenue, shouldn't $1.9 trillion in growth
                      have yielded more than $550 billion in new tax revenue,
                      and not a $143 billion decline?"  -Former conservative,
                      now liberal economist.  All numbers from  Chamber of
                      Commerce and CBO.
                      \_ Good reference, and thanks for pointing it out:
                         Includes tax revenue as percentage of GDP.  I had no
                         idea it has been hovering near 20% since WW2.  That's
                         amazing and horrifying.  -emarkp
                         \_ Add in state taxes and the total government take
                            is more like 30%. But still lower than every other
                            member of the OECD. -ausman
                      \_ So you have discovered tax revenues fall when
                         the economy enters a cyclical downturn after a
                         bubble market, and after the World Trade centers
                         are destroyed which send the economy reeling,
                         and that tax revenues fall in a war based economy.
                         Congratulations for this perspicacious revelation.
                         You should rename yourself former conservative
                         liberal economist who is also stupid.
                         \_ Can you even read?  4 year period. Same economic
                            growth: ~1.9-2 trillion dollars.  Cyclical economy,
                            bubble economy, 9/11 should have _nothing_ to
                            do with it.  If the economy grows the exact same
                            amount, why in the world would any of your factors
                            affect tax revenue?  The _only_ thing affecting
                            tax revenue, after economic growth is the Bush
                            tax cut.
                            \_ Well, it's simple.  Bush's morals inspired more
                               ppl to take him as a role model and cheat on
                               their taxes.
                            \_ three words you may have heard of and were
                               alluded to in my post: capital gains, bubble
                               \_ The shortfall has to do with capital gains,
                                  but only because GW Bush cut cap. gains and
                                  dividend taxes.  If you think the difference
                                  in capital gains taxes(at an equal level of
                                  taxation) comes out to $700 billion, you're
                                  crazy.  Prove it.  Meanwhile, I'll say that
                                  the bulk of that $700 billion tax revenue
                                  shortfall is due to Dubya's tax cut.
                 \_ Tax revenue is up, but interest rates are still abnormally
                    loose, and the tax cuts have not fully hit yet.  Also, the
                    promise of yet more money into military action and cutting
                    meat rather than fat is going to make continuing these
                    trends difficult if not impossible.  State and local
                    governments are trying to pick up the slack while already
                    bankrupt.  I can't remember which agency (maybe gao)
                    governments are trying to pick up the slack while heading
                    for bankruptcy.  I can't remember which agency (maybe gao)
                    reported that if the tax cuts were made permanent, by 2024
                    the only thing the fed gov could afford would be debt
                 \_ this is nice, but would be much better and more convincing
                    to us stupid liberals if it came from someone other than
                    religious right conservatives.
                    \_ Then track it yourself.  sheesh. -!pp
                    \_ All the data is at:
                       Where I couldn't find a simple line-item for monthly
                       income or expense, I used the estimated value.
                       I've uploaded the data to /csua/tmp in OpenOffice and MS
                       Excel format.  Check it yourself.  Let me know if there
                       I've uploaded the data to /csua/tmp in OpenOffice
                       format.  Check it yourself.  Let me know if there
                       are errors.
                       \- Can you do this back to 1990? Also, are these
                          inflation adujusted? ok thx.
                          \_ Historical data:
                          I don't think any of the numbers are inflation
                          adjusted.  Do you have a handy inflation table?
                          [Found one.  I included inflation and remove the .xls
                          file.  Use OpenOffice.]
                    \_ Haha, this remark made my day. -- ilyas
2005/2/16-17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Finance/Investment] UID:36204 Activity:kinda low
2/16    Is Alan Greenspan a Democrat or a Republican? Who/When appoints such
        a man and how long does he get to say when to raise/lower interest
        \_ Alan Greenspan used to be best buddies with Ayn Rand in a previous
           life.  I am unclear on his current political status.  Possibly
           'sold out.' -- ilyas
           'too old and sold out to care.' -- ilyas
           \_ isn't Bill Gates a big fan of Ayn? What is it about rich people
              and their idol Ayn?
              \_ Ayn's philosophy is that rich people are rich because they
                 earned it (even if they inherited it), and they deserve to
                 keep it.  Of course rich people like her.
                 \_ No, the philosophy, as I recall, was that if you earn
                    money, you deserve it (note "earn" in the the meritocratic
                    sense.)  And are not wealthy, and don't work for money,
                    you do not deserve it.  -John
                 \_ what does Ayn think about Monarchy? Does she like it when
                    the rich aristocrats keep what they have and work to keep
                    it that way?
                    \_ who knows?  she died. - danh
                    \_ ARISTOCRACY, n.  Government by the best men. (In this
                       sense the word is obsolete; so is that kind of
                       government.) Fellows that wear downy hats and clean
                       shirts -- guilty of education and suspected of bank
                       accounts.  (From the Devil's Dictionary) -- ilyas
        \_ Greenspan was appointed to the board of the Federal Reserve
           by Reagan in '87. The President designates which member of
           the board is the Chairman and all presidents since and
           including Reagan have designated Greenspan as the Chairman.
           An appointment to the board last 14 yrs, I believe that the
           Chairman holds the position for 4 yrs, but I'm not sure.
           Greenspan was (and probably still is) a Republican.
           For more info see:
           BTW, you could have figured out all this for yourself by
           typing 'Alan Greenspan' into Google.
2005/2/16-17 [Politics] UID:36205 Activity:low
2/16    Are military astronauts really former military officers?
        \_ I think they are current military officers.
           \_ Yes, they are currently in the military. Not all astronauts are,
              of course.
        \_ Just go to the Johnson SC website for astronaut bios.
           \_ For the lazy:
              They have cosmonauts as well!
        \_ Though the nominee to head NASA is already retired AF and still
           an astronaut (though a "management" astroanut)
2005/2/16-17 [Computer/SW/Editors/IDE, Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:36206 Activity:moderate
2/16    I just downloaded IntelliJ IDEA and they don't have a friggin
        tutorial on their web site and I can't find any decent non-J2EE
        tutorial on Google. Need pointer, thanks.                   -dumb
        \_ i use idea but not for j2ee crap. here's my quick guide:
                cmd-N: open class
                cntrl-space: autocomplete name
                cntrl-J: javadoc
                cmd-B: jump to defn
                cmd-U: goto super
                opt-F7: all uses of method
                cmd-opt-[left|right]: go forward and back in navigation
                also, google for "idea  keyboard shortcuts reference" returns:
           \_ in emacs I can press TAB and it'll auto indent, how do I do that
              in IDEA? Also how do I beautify an entire section of code? THX!!
              \_ I had a helpful response, but someone clobbered it. Email me
                 if you want a real answer. -gm
              \_ I use the some customizations on the emacs keymap (which is
                 almost, but not quite, completely unlike emacs bindings), so
                 I indent regions by selecting them and hitting tab. You can
                 check your bindings by opening Settings->Keymap and checking
                 the Indent Selection setting under Editor Actions. Lines are
                 automatically indented when I hit enter; not sure what you're
                 asking in the first part of your question.
                 IDEA converted me from emacs/vi for Java (not J2EE) dev. -gm
              \_ I have my TAB mapped to Main menu->Code->Auto-indent Lines
                 \_ THANK YOU!!! I just compiled my first +3000 line Java code
                    for fun and it's pretty neat, I love how you can have a
                    quick JavaDoc (CTRL-Q) and how it knows your method names
                    and everything for smart auto-completion. The coloring is
                    amazing too, it KNOWS the scopes and everything. Thank
                    you guys for your support! I may just buy this software -op
                    \_ You know, Eclipse does all of the above and it's
        \_ idea vs. eclipse:
        \_ Just use "help" from the IDE. More than enough info there.
2005/2/16-17 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Computer/Rants] UID:36207 Activity:kinda low
2/16    Do TVs and VCRs in China use NTSC format?  If I record a tape with my
        VCR here, can someone in China watch it?  Thanks.
        \_ A lot of VCRs there are dual format. Most likely they will be able
           to watch it.
        \_ nobody here has VCRs.  Only DVD and VCD players.
           \_ I have 2, shut the fuck up. -!op
           \_ I have betamax!
2005/2/16-17 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:36208 Activity:nil
2/16    Does anyone have a useful css-mode.el or php-mode.el file that
        they'd be willing to share? Thanks.
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