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| 2005/2/14-15 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:36164 Activity:high |
2/13 We just got SBC yahoo DSL and can't send http://socrates.berkeley.edu or calmail mail with Eudora anymore. We already changed SMTP server over as per help page suggestion. Anybody else had trouble with this? \_ http://support.sbcglobal.net/article.php?item=4640 \_ Thanks but we already changed the SMTP server over, which is what above article is mostly about, and we still can't send via socrates or calmail. I'm wondering whether we should just cancel before the intro period is over. \_ They pulled this shit on my mother last week, and I wasted a good 4 or 5 hours of my life trying to figure out how she could have screwed up her email. Instead it was SBC fucking things up. \_ You should be angry at the spammers for forcing SBC to do this, rather than SBC. \_ wrong. there were any number of ways SBC could have approached the problem. they made the most brain-dead decision which would piss off the widest array of customers. \_ The truth is actually a little worse. They approached the problem by making it conspicuously more difficult to send email by means other than their proprietary browser/mailer...which exists primarily to harvest marketing data and re-direct people to sponsored material a la AOL. I suppose that's what to expect from the cheapest DSL provider, though. \_ Are you the kind of person who feels ok stealing online music because "that's how it ought to be anyway"? Use the service as it's provided, or don't use it at all. \_ It's against the TOS, the TOS are stupid, there are better ways of doing this, this has nothing at all to do with stealing music, switch ISPs and tell them to go fuck themselves sideways, tell all your friends to switch (I would--remember that maxim about each dissatisfied customer equalling 13 p.o'ed customers? SBC might not..) write them a letter explaining that you're switching and why, and wash your hands of it, don't give money for shitty service, don't argue with braindead "take-it-or- leave-it" morons, enjoy your day. -John \_ This was a change in service that breaks a commonly used feature. Do you liken Dynamic DNS and running your own mail server to stealing music? Or even if running your own server was against TOS, connecting to an authorized SMTP server with your browser was not. This was stupid. Plain and simple. \_ Would you say that it's ok to race in a rental car, even though it's against the TOS? The SBC TOS is clear in that customers are not to run *any* servers. If you don't like it, find another dsl provider. \_ Meyers, are you being obtuse deliberately? Yes, it stops spammers from sending out mail. But they had infinite options to curb the problem, and they picked the one that pissed off the most people. And did you just not read the post before answering? Are you getting kickbacks from SBCi? \_ See, this is where you have your head up your ass. They do not have infinite options. I have run an ISP and stopping your users from sending spam is techinically very from sending spam is technically very hard. I am curious what you think would be easier to implement that would work just as well and would piss off less people. \_ I agree that running a private mail server for the household is hardly a strain on the bandwidth you pay for, but SBC (and Comcast, etc) spell out what they allow for how the connection can be used. It's funny listening to how much motd-types are sticklers for the exact letter of the law or a contract, until it becomes inconvenient for them. But hey, let the free market decide, right? -meyers \_ You're missing the point; SBC is blocking *outgoing* connections to port 25, not incoming connections to mail servers. (They might be blocking connections to mail servers, too, but that's not the issue posed.) I'm sure using Eudora is not against the TOS. -tom \_ No, the point is SBC defines what their service includes, and if you don't like it you can find another provider. Where are the defenders of the free market?? -meyers \_ The free market has been mathematically proven to produce sub-optimal results. -tom \_ Wow, you seem really smart. \_ Read the op's post below. Reread the above post. \_ Although I'm sure the SBC policy is very clear on this one wonders what actually constitutes a "server" vs. a "client" when everyone is utilizing P2P to distribute crap. Remember, the letter of the law is hardly ever clear, which is why lawyers get paid. -williamc \_ Why don't you just put together a fund to deport the whiny users to canada? Then you don't even have to really address the issue at all. \_ Actually, I'd rather you apply for the fund. It's better to deport morons like you who attempt non sequitor comments. -williamc \_ How's this for a non sequitur: FUCK YOU. \_ Oooh! I like that one! \_ Speaking of morons, maybe you should learn to spell. \_ Woohoo! The old spelling insult! There should be some law similar to Godwin's that refers to spelling. \_ And pronouncing Nuclear. \_ Oh, wait...how did you pronounce that again? I'd ding you on it, but since motd is FUCKING TEXT, I guess I'll just have to assume that you pronounced it wrong. Dumbass. \_ I was replying to the "Godwin's law" comment. I guess some dumbass used motdedit. Dumbass \_ MOTD inded has become the lowest form of what Cal has to offer when one is atacked on a typo. Here's a quartur, go buy yourself a brin, atach it to your moth, learn how to use the former with the later, and stop spewing out BS. -williamc \_ *yawn* Train harder, grasshopper. \_ Of course, this rather assumes that I think you're worth the effort. \_ Exactly. I think the cable modem TOS forbids running code from a remote machine. Woudln't this mean the customer can't run Java applets? -meyers \_ Oh good grief. We're not running a server. My wife is just trying to send and receive email on her university accounts. But, as you say, we may cancel SBC since the port 25 blocking may make it more trouble to use than it is worth. -op \_ All you have to do is make a very slight change to Eudora to send your wife's email through the Yahoo mail proxy. I am pretty surprised that it took you 4 hours to figure this out. \_ Good man. I think ISPs taking this sort of action are lazy and technically ignorant. They're not interested in a solution; there are other, better ways of doing things if they were, but rather, want to sell "business" connections. Please write them a very clear letter _why_ you are switching providers, and that you are telling all your friends to do the same. -John \_ I'm not sure that expecting email to work is that unreasonable. -!pp \_ SBC is now blocking port 25 traffic to SMTP servers other than its own. You can request to have your connection unblocked. -tom \_ Got it. That must be the "Abuse of Service" form. Thanks, tom. \_ Alternatively, some servers also offer port 587 for sending mail, the idsg pages mention that (and it worked for me when SBC started blocking, I didn't know about that form...) \_ Would some of those servers include, say, calmail? \_ Why don't you check for yourself? \_ Or just try it - I'm using gateway.eecs, but another server at UC Davis was configured the same way, it might be a default server config now. Just change from port 25 to 587, and see if it works... |
| 2005/2/14-15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Science/Space] UID:36165 Activity:high |
2/14 Eileen M. Collins, commander of the upcoming space shuttle flight, a
former colonel in the Air Force and a veteran of three spaceflights,
said "I'm a person who won't even get on a roller coaster at an
amusement park because they scare me. I've been on one once, and I
won't do it again."
I find this very hard to believe.
http://csua.org/u/b1q (Yahoo! News)
\_ Typical error about military astronauts - they are not former
\_ You should read Chuck Yeager's autobiography where he claims that
he now drives like an old lady. Just because someone can tolerate
risk when they're in control and NASA engineers are in charge of
safty doesn't mean they like to put their lives in the hands of
random idiots for fun.
\_ HH would test pilot first run planes but was afraid of doorknobs
\_ Do recomend the Aviator?
\_ It's got some cool visuals and is neat for the whole 1930s
glam environment, but drags a bit and is pretty Hollywood-y,
and has too many random loose ends. See a matinee. -John
\_ HH?
\_ Just a guess: Howard Hughes.
\_ Heh, right. Gotitnow. -PP
\_ "Could I pass the challenge of a background check? My answer is
absolutely. Not only could I pass the background check and the
standards applied to today's White House, but I could have
passed the background check and the standards applied on the most
stringent conditions when my dad was President -- a 15-year period."
-President GW Bush (August 1999)
\_ And this is relevant because? Get over it - you lost
\_ Our President is a former cokehead / drunk!
An astronaut is afraid of rollercoasters!
Also: Get over it - our President is still an object of
ridicule.
\_ All presidents are objects of ridicule.
\_ Not Clinoccio!
\_ Correct, but we now have one whose oral abilities
are comparable to or worse than Dan Quayle's
(ob Clinton-Monica joke)
\_ [political troll deleted]
\_ I'm terrified of rollercoasters. I don't like being up high on a
structure that shakes. But I enjoy flying. |
| 2005/2/14-15 [Recreation/Dating] UID:36166 Activity:nil |
2/14 In honor of Valentine's Day: http://needmyspace.com |
| 2005/2/14-15 [Uncategorized] UID:36167 Activity:low |
2/14 Why isn't there a day for single, unattached people?
\_ "Every day is single people's day!"
\_ Don't you really mean that every day is couple's day?
\_ It is at my house anyway. RAARROOW.
\_ There is a day for single unattached people. Its July 4th.
INDEPENDENCE DAY. |
| 2005/2/14 [Science/Electric] UID:36168 Activity:high |
2/14 I'm trying to make sure I don't trip my 20Amp Circuit. How much of
an amp draw does an average single disk single p4 cpu box take.
Alternatively, how may "regular" desktops could i put on a 20 amp
fuse with a very good chance that it won't trip. (Assuming I don't
try to turn them all on at the same time).
\_ 0.5-2.0 amps. In contrast, a hair dryer uses about 10-14 amps.
Portable space heaters typically have one setting for 7 amps,
one for 14 amps. Have phun.
\_ Gotta also calculate in the monitor. That's usually around
2 amps. Don't know what it is for LCDs, probably less.
\_ 17/19" LCDs use ~ 35 watts (1/3 amp).
The Dell 20" 16ms LCD eats 90 watts (~ 1 amp).
19" CRTs use ~ 140 watts (~ 1.25 amps).
\_ "Kill-A-Watt", nice gadget if you are interested in this sort of
thing. Also useful to calculate what size UPS you need for your
system.
\_ How much is it and where can I get it?
\_ $30, you can find it at J&R or Amazon. Google!!
\_ Every hardware vendor publishes these figures. Go to the
Dell/Sun/IBM/HP website and find it. |
| 2005/2/14-15 [Health/Disease/General] UID:36169 Activity:nil |
2/14 http://Herpes-date.com?? http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/02/14/BUG3SB9QEC1.DTL |
| 2005/2/14-15 [Recreation/Dating] UID:36170 Activity:very high |
2/14 I'm trying to get a plain brown clay water pitcher as a present for my
wife. I've searched online and can't really find anything remotely
like what I'm looking for. Anyone know of an online/mail order seller
of something like this?
\_ Places such as Home Depot and OSH sell these by the cartload.
Obviously they may not have the exact style you want.
\_ I'm trying to get something that's older-styled, like say 1800s
or earlier, not a modern smooth finished item.
\_ Don't know the difference between 1800 brown clay water
pitchers vs. 2005 brown clay water pitchers. I thought a
water pitcher was a frickin water pitcher. Try an antique
shop.
\_ EBay
\_ You know I've been checking over the past week, and hadn't
found anything, but someone posted something just right this
weekend. Funny.
\_ It would be awesome if the pitcher you found on ebay was
posted by pp just to prove his motd fu.
\_ I am sure your wife will be thrilled with a plain brown clay
water pitcher. You're gonna get some that night!
\_ You're not married, are you?
\_ If it were just a pitcher and nothing more, I could get anything.
The basic look has an important meaning. You'll understand when
you grow up.
\_ Sometimes a pitcher is just a pitcher.
\_ When I grow up I will understand the meaning of a pitcher?
\_ or when you start dating girls, whichever comes first.
\_ Yes, most women are wowed by plain clay pitchers.
\_ There's this thing called 'context'. Clearly, you
don't have it. Stop being petulant and accept it. -!pp
\_ I am just in awe.
\_ See below, petulant, ignorant fool.
\_ what you don't understand is that a water pitcher
could be a symbol of the male sexual organ and of
male virility, and hence evoke an erotic response.
\_ Uh... You've got it backwards.
\_ The pitcher is a semi-obscure reference to a favorite
movie, and she'll love it. Women place a lot of value
on that kind of thing. You'll understand when you
meet and actually get to know women in real life. -op
\_ Uh...right. As long as whatever woman he gets to
know happens to attatch the same sentimental value
to some random obscure movie as your wife. You're
a moron.
\_ I find it funny that a guy buying a pitcher
for his wife thinks he knows anything about
women.
\_ I find it funny that someone sad and alone at
his keyboard could judge. -op
\_ Someone like you? |
| 2005/2/14-15 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:36171 Activity:nil |
2/14 To follow up about my laptop's traffic to http://fatboy.paqnet.com: I had visited http://www.cpqlinux.com/cdrw.html = 208.246.182.10 = http://fatboy.paqnet.com I don't know why opera kept a TCP connection open for 17 hours. Perhaps it was related to putting my laptop into suspend mode 7 minutes after visiting the website. Would y'all consider this to be a browser bug? |