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| 2005/2/13 [Reference/Religion] UID:36159 Activity:very high |
2/13 I just saw South Park's episode on Mormons and how Joseph Smith
translated the bible twice using two different translation plates,
that Adam&Eve came from Missouri, and that the native Americans
came from Jerusalem and God made them Red because they had sins.
I'm a bit bothered by the way South Park disses at other religions...
I don't know anything about religion and I'm wondering how much of
South Park's story is really true, and how much of it is made up for
entertainment value. Any religion expert who would comment on this?
\_ Disses at "other" religions? As opposed to what, christianity,
where Jesus has a talk radio show and screwed Cartman's mom?
Please identify the religion you think they're not making fun of
in South Park.
\_ don't forget that Cartman tried to eliminate Jews because they
killed Jesus. They haven't really made fun of Buddhism and
Shintoism yet...
\_ "Hey there, mister shintoist, merry fucking christmas..."
-Mr. Garrison
\_ I saw this episode about a year ago. As I recall, it was about
what you would expect out of SP. For the first 15 minutes,
from a 50,000 ft view, the big events were more or less
correct. ie, Joseph Smith was directed by an angel to a set of
gold plates containing the religious history of a people
formerly on the continent; which he translated by the power of
God. As much can be read in the introduction to the Book of
Mormon. The details, however, were all completely confused,
made up, or twisted beyond recognition. The history of the
church is recorded in a number of first hand accounts, if you
are interested. Currently I'm reading an account by Joseph
Smith's mother, which is a pretty good read. Unfortunatly,
the LDS church is a point of contention, and anything you find
on google would either be all for it, or all against it.
Usually the latter. -jrleek
\_ Religions don't easily lend themselves to objective analysis.
At some point you're always going to find something that you
will try to explain or discount using methods, either through
critical heuristics or unquestioning belief, which someone else
will take issue with. I'm not religious in any sense; I wish
that both people who aren't and those who are would just keep
it to themselves (and good fucking luck with that.) -John
\_ were you offended by South Park? |
| 2005/2/13 [Reference/History/WW2/Japan] UID:36160 Activity:very high |
2/13 Thought Abu Gharib was bad? Just wait until the Gitmo stuff
starts to hit the news:
http://csua.org/u/b1m
\_ The NYT continues its slide downhill. I love the allegations of
cruelty which we are supposed to connect to Guantanamo but actually
could have happened in Pakistan before the US had custody (e.g. the
wired helmet).
\_ Do you categorically deny that torture is taking place at
Gitmo?
\_ Let's say that it is. Why is that a problem?
\_ Because we're supposed to be the good guys, and good
guys don't torture people, you thick fucking muppet. Nor
are we supposed to provoke wars, bomb civilians, hijack
and enslave children, rape women, raze undefended towns,
etc. etc. etc. And before you come up with some slimy,
ill-informed, weak-gutted reasoning, yes, it's all the
same reprehensible thing engaged in by thugs, tyrants, and
bad guys. Not good guys. Bad guys. Why is this so
goddamm difficult to understand? -John
\_ What might shock you is that even if we are
torturing those people we are *still* the good
guys. It's all relative. They decapitate our
people. So we torture some of theirs. BFD. If you
want to argue that people are there that should not
be that is different. Torture in itself, however,
is a non-issue. Only people from touchy feely
countries like Sweden and Switzerland worry about
this. World powers should not.
\_ Whoop, almost caught me on that one, 2nd rate troll.
Tip for the aspiring troll-in-training: the last
2 sentences give it away. -John
\_ I think this is a little simple. What about WWII?
Lots of very unsavory things went on during WWII.
These unsavory things could not have been avoided by
conducting the war in a different way (without making
warmaking far less effective), or by avoiding warmaking
altogether (which would make us complicit with Hitler).
I am not an apologist for torture or immoral things,
but the 'good guys/bad guys' dichotomy is silly in this
case. War is inherently immoral. You need to either
be a ruthless utilitarian in war, or abandon war
altogether to people with stronger stomachs (or weaker
consciences, depending on how you want to look at it).
-- ilyas
\_ We didn't provoke WWII. We didn't (on the whole)
condone unsavory actions in WWII, and when we did,
such as being prepared to use mustard gas, it was
wrong, and no I'm not willing to get into a
discussion about nukes as, being a military history
buff, as well as an intl. relations grad, I'm not
sure where I stand on that. War is not "immoral",
it is bad and to be avoided when possible. Re. the
"silly" good guys/bad guys analogy, being seen by
poor unfortunate SOBs around the world as a paragon
of liberty, truth, and all that jazz is one of the
main things the US has had going for it throughout
history. We lose that, we lose a large part of what
I personally believe is our identity, idealistic and
naive as that may sound. -John
\_ I find this particularily amusing on the
anniversary of the bombing of Dresdan. Sweet.
\_ "Dresden". And Hiroshima. And Nagasaki. And
handing Vlasov army POWs back to the Soviets.
And a host of other pretty shitty things.
Interesting straw man, equating prison torture
with something seen at the time as a military
necessity, but pretty horrible in retrospect.
\_ What about slavery? We enslaved black people,
thought it was fine, then they got their freedom, and
thought separate but equal was fine. Why can't we go
back to slavery or separate-but-equal segregation?
Lots of unsavory things happened in America.
You need to be either a ruthless utilitarian in
domestic policies, or abandon politics altogether to
the Democrats! -!John
\_ It's pretty questionable whether torture adds any
sort of "effectiveness" to our warmaking.
\_ "The problem is, this kind of thing occurs in
prisons across the country and across the world. And
you have to know it's going to be a possibility. And
therefore the training and the discipline and the
doctrine has to be such that you anticipate that
risk. And clearly, that wasn't done to the extent it
should." -Rumsfeld, Feb 3 2005 |
| 2005/2/13 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Others] UID:36161 Activity:nil |
2/13 Why is our generation so fucking lazy? What happened to this country?
\_ The Internet
\_ Why do things yourselves when you can exploit cheap labor in India? |
| 2005/2/13-15 [Computer/HW/Memory] UID:36162 Activity:high |
2/13 Buying 1GB PC3200 DDR memory for my G5-- any suggestions? I'm leary
of the top 5 returns from pricewatch....
\_ on a G5 make sure you get good memory and not some generic
PW crap. I'd check Kingston to find out what sort of timing
and stuff they'd put on their branded Mac compatible RAM and
then go w/ a generic maker that matches those specs (or
just get the Kingston/Crucial/etc at some discount shop).
\_ Are you in the bay area? If so, just wait for Fry's to have
a sale on 2x512 PC3200 DDR Ram by either Corsair or Kingston.
A agree w/ the above poster, get good name brand ram for
I agree w/ the above poster, get good name brand ram for
your G5.
\_ Geil
\_ why are new computers so picky about RAM? I had similar RAM
issues with my new Athlon MB which only took expensive RAM even
though they had the exact same specifications. So much for
plug-and-play. It's becoming more like plug-and-hope-to-play.
\_ The reason that newer computers are picky is that
as cpus get faster and faster you have to keep
the damn thing fed w/ data faster and faster.
This means that that the RAM must strictly
adhere to the cpu's tolerances or things just
won't work (if signal coming from ram is off
by just a few ns, it didn't use to be a big
deal, now, it is well nigh impossible to tell
if there was an error, &c.)
While the cheap ram might work, they clearly
do not test the chips as rigorously as the
brand name vendors.
\_ Uhm, no. Computers have ALWAYS been picky about memory. We
used to have issues on SDRAMs during the PIII days, especially
when the first chipsets came out. I still have a board that
only takes Samsung SDRAM. You need to go read your Mobo
manual and find out what type and make of RAM it supports.
Generic cheapo RAM sometimes are pulls and there are
timing issues with pulls. Certain Mobos just are very
sensitive to timing issues on RAM, so be careful.
-williamc
\_ No, they haven't. Previously, only slot type and
layout. -John
\_ How old are you William? I'm 35. Back in my days when
Pentium 75Mhz was hot and everyone overclocked it to
100Mhz, we could use whatever RAM we wanted. You're right
in respect to your time frame, and I'm right in respect
to my time frame. Kids these days...
\_ Dude, you are a fossil.
\_ Young punk. When I first started w/ computers RAM
was ferrite cores.
\_ I used to draw on my dad's old punch cards with
crayon when I was a kid, does that count?
\_ At least you know what a punch card is.
My intern saw one and though it was some
kind of ballot.
\_ gosh I miss the punchcard days when punchcard
specifications were simple and complete and they
didn't have any compatibility issue. Nowadays
everything's bigger, harder to specify, and
near impossible for formal compatibility validation.
\_ All heil motd, 70's version of newsgroup, still
operational as of 2005 -elite guy from the 80s
\_ Is there a difference between a single 1GB stick and two 512mbs?
\_ Yes, two take up two slots and can run in dual-channel mode.
\_ Clever. Is there a difference in performance?
\_ There is with single vs. dual channel if the motherboard
supports it. Otherwise it should be the same unless the
mobo specifies otherwise.
\_ FYI, the G5 supports dual channel.
\_ you must install symmetric pairs of RAM stick in a G5 |
| 2005/2/13-15 [Computer, Computer/SW] UID:36163 Activity:nil |
2/12 In FinkCommander, is there a way to check up on the progress of
a source/binary install? The status bar says it is downloading
a file, but I have no idea if it's progressing or not. Thanks.
\_ Open up the Activity Monitor, and see if there is any network
activity occuring. -phale |