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| 2005/2/8 [Uncategorized] UID:36095 Activity:nil |
2/8 Hey ilyas, do you play with dreidel? Do you know the lyrics to
Eight Little Candles? How about Five Little Latkes? Let's LightThe
Menorah? |
| 2005/2/8 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:36096 Activity:moderate |
2/7 Playstation 3 preview pic
link:tinyurl.com/6xmuj -John
\_ I don't see BELLS and WHISTLES.
\_ I'd rather have a p-p-p-powerbook
\_ I'll totally buy one, could you ship me one? I'll pay when
I get it. Is overseas shipping ok? |
| 2005/2/8 [Consumer/Audio] UID:36097 Activity:high |
2/8 Question for our local radio experts. How do I find out who's
broadcasting a signal at a certain frequency? I looked at the FCC
frequency allocation at http://www.fcc.gov/oet/spectrum and it is not very
helpful. Is there a number I can call? The offending signal is a
really high power tone at around 463.6 MHz, and what makes it annoying
is that it comes and goes totally randomly. If I could talk to whoever
is making the signal, maybe I could find out when they turn the damn
thing off(it turns off just often enough to make it really hard to
characterize.) Thanks.
\_ I solved my own problem. If anyone cares, it's this search page:
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchLicense.jsp and
if you click on "advanced license search", and you can search
by both frequency range and physical location. I'm pretty
sure I've found the culprit. -op
\_ Who was it???
\_ Physical plant of the university where our lab is. I can
literally see the damn antennas out the window.
\_ If they have a license, does that mean they can legally
transmit at that frequency? Maybe you are the one who
shouldn't be using that frequency?
\_ Of course they can, and I'm not transmitting. I'm
just *measuring* in that band. Obviously I'm not
going to get physical plant to just stop using
their system, but just knowing that there's no
way to turn it off is usefull information to me.
\_ How 'bout filing a complaint with the fcc? they would have a lot
more resources to find it. |
| 2005/2/8-9 [Recreation/Humor] UID:36098 Activity:moderate |
2/8 Anyone buy from http://t-shirthumor.com? They're on the up and up, right? They won't sell my credit card number to NAMBLA? In general, how should I look into this kinda of thing? (Whether sites are legit, not NAMBLA, you perv.) \_ I already gave your info to NAMBLA back when yermom asked me to. \_ So, you're more concerned that some credit card thief might be a pervert than that they will steal your money and ruin your credit? You voted for Bush, didn't you? \_ BWAHAHAHA! You're an idiot! -!op \_ You seem to have trouble with this whole "humor" thing, huh? -!pp \_ BWAHAHAHA! You're ALSO an idiot! -!op \_ BWAHAHAHA! You're ALSO an idiot! -!op \_ OMG, the motd is caught in an infinite loop! \_ OMG, the motd is caught in an infinite loop! \_ NAMBLA? North American Marlon Brando Look Alike? [ deleting bitch. ] \_ North American Man Balogna Love Association -- for those who truly love their lunch meats. |
| 2005/2/8-9 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:36099 Activity:kinda low |
2/8 I would like to destroy/wipe the data in a particular directory
of a portable linux computer without wiping the whole disk. Any
suggestions for how to do this easily?
\_ rm. If you are worried aboyt someone undeleting and
discovering your porno collection you can write a script
and overwrite each file with /dev/zero bits.
\_ any experience with "wipe"? http://abaababa.ouvaton.org/wipe
\_ When you write data to a linux file, does it write the data to
new sectors, or does it overwirte the original data in the same
sectors?
\_ Overwriting with 0 isn't good enough. /dev/random might be
better, but still isn't good enough.
\_ If you are very concerned about getting rid of it, some
definitions of "military" grade wipe specify something
like 19 overwrites with as-random-as-possible 010101
strings. Forensics outfits like Kroll and Guidance (and
even commercial SW like EnCase) can do some pretty unlikely
data recovery. The only way to reliably completely
destroy drive contents is to physically shred the disk
after multiple sequential white noise overwrites. -John
\_ dropping it from Empire State Building is the best
\_ rm -P
This won't actually do the job (see
http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/sdelete.shtml for a windows
utility that will do the job--source available) but it's better than
nothing. (Oops, I have no idea if that option is available on
linux.)
\_ The rm manpage recommends "shred". Anybody know if shread
would work on ext3 with data=journal mode?
\_ It should. If in doubt, mount the partition as ext2,
run shred, unmount and remount as ext3. |
| 2005/2/8-9 [Politics/Foreign] UID:36100 Activity:high |
2/8 This is awesome! Go racial segregation!
http://www.housing.berkeley.edu/livingatcal/themeprograms.html
\_ Self-selecting segregation is freedom of choice.
\_ So is discrimination.
\_ No, it's illegal to discriminate. It's legal to be a rascist.
\_ I really do think Cal should not officially encourage the ones
that are race based. Why do they only have 3 races anyway? What
about the other ethnicities? The gay/lesbian one sounds fun:
"spacious suite-style community offers a comfortable and intimate
living environment". It needs to be intimate for all the gay sex.
Hey how surprising that there's no religious based one...
\_ since the dawn of time mankind has been discriminating against
each other, within his own town, abode, workplace, everywhere.
The only solution is the one Brazilians embrace. Mix everyone up
so much that you're unable to tell who and what you are. In such a
world, there is less discrimination.
\_ Yeah, then you have discrimination based on socioeconomic status.
Have you been to Brazil? It's a shithole, a total cluster fuck
of a country.
\_ Have you? It does pretty well for a total cluster fuck of
a country. And tell us a place where there ISN'T
discrimination based on a socioeconomic status.
\_ Brazil has more problems than the average country.
\_ Brazil has more hot babes that do anal than your
average country.
\_ And you know this how?
\_ Is that because people in Brazil are used to
being f***ed up the ass?
\_ My officemate is from Brazil. He said his country is so poor
and so fucked up, everyone tries to help each other out in
his little town, because they have nothing else but each
other. This proves one thing. When you get all materialistic
you become a selfish Porsche driving asshole and when you've
got nothing, you become more compassionate. It's clear that
we should nuke USA to make the country more compassionate -op
\_ I think you meant "-pp" since you're sure as heck not
-op. -op
\_ What happens if you are a Porsche driving asshole
from Brazil? I know one of those.
\_ From the pictures I've seen they tend to reck
spectacularly on the highways. Ferrari's turned into
Altoids tins and the like. |
| 2005/2/8 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:36101 Activity:moderate |
2/8 How do you guys get rid of spam in this account?
\_ spamassassin -> gmail |
| 2005/2/8 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:36102 Activity:high |
2/8 Bets on how long before the Israelis and Palestinians start shooting
again? Is Vegas in on it yet? I give it two weeks.
\_ Well, considering Hamas claims the cease fire doesn't apply to
them, I'd say, not long. It's a pretty classic pattern.
Palestinian government calls cease fire, but doesn't enforce
it. Radicals kill some Isrealis. Isrealis kill some radicals.
Palestinians go back to endorsing terrorism because the Isralis
broke the cease fire.
\_ The PA doesn't "enforce it" because they are not powerful
enough. Then Isreal punishes the PA for not enforcing it
by rocketing their jails and killing some of their leaders,
making them even less able to enforce it. General idiocy by
both sides abounds. |
| 2005/2/8 [Uncategorized] UID:36103 Activity:high |
2/8 ilyas, shame on you for posting a 15K political troll from January 8th
\_ Get a life kchang. -- ilyas
\_ Get a life both luz3rs. -- !ilyas !kchang
\_ SHALOM ilyas, do you nkow the lyrics to Eight Little Candles?
\_ Can't we all just get along? |
| 2005/2/8 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:36104 Activity:high |
2/8 Is there any way to get trn to keep its connection alive? I keep
getting a closed socket error.
\_ Yeah, I'm having this problem with my gf too.
\_ I also have this problem with trn.
\_ It's been worse recently. I wonder if it was done on
purpose? I used to leave trn running and come back later,
but now if I do it seems to time out after 5 or 10 minutes. |
| 2005/2/8-9 [Industry/Jobs] UID:36105 Activity:high |
2/8 I have a salary negotiation for a new job coming up. If the median
for that kind of work is $X/yr, what should I ask for an opening
request? Too high and I'll scare them off, too low and I'm selling
myself short.
\_ Ask for what you are worth and what you would be happy with.
If in doubt, ask for more rather than less. You won't scare
them off if they are a good place to work. They will just say:
"Sorry, but this is our final offer: $xxx". Better to be
overpaid than underpaid.
\_ I think I'm worth $X. Except for envy, I'd probably be happy
with only 0.75X. If I ask for 1.15X, would that be bad?
\_ No.
\_ It would not be bad, but don't be surprised if you don't
get it. Salary negotiation is its own area of expertise
and you should at least read up on it, if you want to get
paid anything near what you are worth.
\_ "A good trade is when you're happy and the other guy's
happy, regardless of what you paid for what." -John
\_ yeah, gay sex is when both sides are happy
\_ Cause after straight sex the woman just lies there
crying and feeling like a dirty filthy whore?
\_ Update: Her: What are you expecting
Me: Market rate
Her: There a range we have budgeted... <beating around the bush>
Me: I think 1.15X sounds reasonable
Her: <silence> ... That's within our range.
\_ did you enjoy watching her beat around her bush?
\_ may I ask what you do and what your experience is? I'm asking
because if you're a code monkey, the salary range is actually
pretty big
\- re: the "envy" comment ... while i wouldn't characterize it as
envy, but more of a fairness/do i look like a bitch factor,
it does offend me when people with much lower productivity
are paid better. the productivity difference in the computer
world can easily be a couple of factors and not 10s of percent.
of course the company can try to make it up in other ways
[nicer office, more flex time/telecommute, interesting project,
not having to do shit work, carry pager etc.] --psb
\_ how much do you get paid for having a lot of experience but
no college degree? Thanks Partha
\_ I know someone who has a GED who makes about 1/4 million
dollars a year as some kind of fancy sysadmin
\_ I agree with this. No one likes to find out that his
incompetent coworker on the verge of being fired all the
time makes more. Yes, this happened to me many times
before I learned to stop being a chump and make a demand.
\- well there is also the emperor has no clothes phenomenon.
i have a colleague that spends a lot of time traveling
to give seminars, has a couple of published books, is on
the editorial boards of mutliple things but is a demon-
strable moron ... to the point where his comments in
meetings have led to embarassed silences, people tell
stories about his cluelessness, share strategies for
dealing with his dumb ideas etc. it seems like sleazyness
[like this guy claims to have taught at uc berkeley ...
now either he did so once or means uc extension] works
as does shmoozing [he spends a lot of time gladhanding,
which is easy to do when you dont have work obligations]
--psb
\_ If you give a figure first, you lose. The game is to
continue to ask for market rate until they break down and
cough up a number - then refuse it until they tell you no.
I am glad you got what you wanted, though. |
| 2005/2/8-9 [Reference/Military, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:36106 Activity:kinda low |
2/8 Is there any conspiracy theory which is most likely true?
\_ There really was a conspiracy to hide information about UFO's from
the public. The nonexistence of aliens did not stop the mindless
wheels of government.
http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/97unclass/ufo.html
\_ um yes, gov't consipiracy to cover up UFOs are true.
\_ What do you mean? They're all true!
\_ The Warren Commission report on the JFK assassination was almost
certainly a coverup. I personally think they were covering up the
fact that they really had no idea what happened, not that nutjob
theory of your choice did it, but who really knows? |
| 2005/2/8-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Ilyas, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:36107 Activity:very high |
2/8 Today's stale, boring-ass motd brought to you by the csua moral
majority. Good work, guys.
\_ Hey, at least I contributed by repeatedly insulting stupid
Christians. What have YOU done to make the motd more entertaining
today? -- ilyas
\_ huh? your silliness was exposed, and then you deleted the
whole thread to cover it up, and that's the smartest thing
you did today.
\_ It was? I did? -- ilyas
\_ "Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than
to speak and remove all doubt." -Abraham Lincoln
\_ your reasoning went like this: "there are gays animals,
so some humans must be genetically gay". If you can't
see how silly that is, I don't know what to say.
\_ This is amazing. I didn't know people like you
actually existed here. I am not sure how I feel
about that. -- ilyas
\_ heh, this coming from someone who keep calling
people stupid.
\_ What's stupid about that? Are you saying all human
homosexuals are so by choice? Are you saying that
no animals are gay (I guess homosexual for animals
isn't proper usage)? Tell us, Lassie! -John
\_ huh? it's pretty obvious what I've said and
have not said. just read. Ilya's reasoning
is silly because it is like, "there are
cannibals in the animal world. Jeffrey
Dahmer ate people. Thus cannbalism must be
genetic for Jeffrey Dahlmer."
\_ Obviously I wasn't talking about you. You know who I'm talking
about (the stupid Christians).
\_ why do you hate Christian, oh so wise Israelyas?
\_ Not all Christians are stupid. I'll assume he was only
talking about the stupid ones. --intelligent Xian
\_ Dude, I give ilyas as hard a time as the next guy, but
what's with all the ilyas is jewish talk? What are you
getting at?
\_ I am an evil neocon! -- ilyas
\_ Right. You realize you're one of the few who
equates being Jewish with being a Neocon, right?
\_ Boy, nothing gets by you, does it. Not even my
sarcasm. I don't equate the word 'neocon' with
anything. It's a non-word. A non-concept. It's
a label that sounds vaguely negative, used for
political ends. It is devoud of content. -- ilyas
\_ I think you mean me when you said "you". That
wasn't me. I normally grok sarcasm and I
normally sign my posts. To quote yourself, "Meh"
-- ulysses
\_ I didn't think it was you. -- ilyas
\_ Oh. Well. I'll just wander off now... -- u
\_ Irving Kristol (Bill Kristol's father) uses
this word to describe the political philosophy
he had a hand in creating. I think the
term is not incoherent (Orwell, forgive me).
http://csua.org/u/40g - ciyer
\_ Perhaps as used by Irving Kristol the word is
not incoherent. It is fairly incoherent as
used by most soda denisens and contributers to
wikipedia. -- ilyas
\_ "I am neither russian nor jewish. -- ilyas" KAIS MOTD 35389:6
\_ I'm both! And I'm a fat black woman named Frieda! -John
\_ Sorry, I have been busy working. -motd thought leader |
| 2005/2/8-9 [Computer/Domains, Politics] UID:36108 Activity:nil |
2/8 Experts: International Domain Names May Pose Threat
http://www.computerworld.com/newsletter/0,4902,99613,00.html?nlid=AM_B |
| 2005/2/8-9 [Recreation/Dating] UID:36109 Activity:high |
2/8 So I read somewhere that when asked, husbands were more likely to say
that if they had to do it all over again, they'd pick the same spouse
(80%) while wives were even (only 50% say they would've picked the
same spouse knowing what they know now). Obviously not exactly a
scientific study, but it was an interesting anecdote. I had the
impression that it was guys who are more committment phobic than
women were, do people actually get the same impression, and if
so, do you think it's true? Or is the reverse true, that women
(especially today) are more likely to end relationships?
Just a thought in light of relationship day and to get something
semi-nonboring on the motd.
\_ Why do men usually scan the menu, pick and item, and put the
menu down, while women dither about it for 15 minutes, then
change their mind three times after the waiter comes?
I think these are related. Women are much better than us at
some things, and making decisions isn't one of them.
\_ Not always true, I have found that women can make excellent
managers. The menu thing seems to be true though, and once
it finally is time to order, it's often: "I want X - Y +
Z done in style A and substitute B for C"
\_ "Yes, I'll have the creme brule. Hold the eggs and sugar."
\_ Women have always been more likely to end relationships. Guys
will hang on to the bitter end while they bang her best friend.
\_ It may have something to do with expectations. I think guys are
easier to please in the marriage department. Women have more
complex needs.
\_Maybe it's because woman who are less committment phobic go
into the wrong relationship quicker and thus have regrets, while
men, who are more committment phobic hold out till they know
for absolutly sure and thus do not regret their decisions?
\_ I think the whole commitment-phobe-male stereotype is mostly
a myth. TV can make stupid women believe anything. -soda gal
\-Maybe men are less likely to complain because for them the
shortcomings of a spouse can be made up for by cheating [wife
becomes fatty] but for women, cheating doesnt solve the problem
[not enough bling provided by husband], so they have to escalate
to divorce more readily. --psb |
| 2005/2/8-10 [Uncategorized] UID:36110 Activity:moderate |
2/8 Will the iBooks ever get the scrolling trackpad (two-point)?
\_ Perhaps in April, but more likely it will in the fall.
\_ Where did you find this? Are you inside Apple?
\_ Don't all PCs already do this in SW? --apple user
\_ obOneButtonMouseRant |
| 2005/2/8-10 [Politics/Domestic/California, Science/Space] UID:36111 Activity:very high |
2/8 What's the best pen?
\_ bic round stick. just ask any writer or john stewart.
\_ jon
\_ they leak.
\_ they're acceptable sometimes. not very slick.
\_ uni-ball VISION, the micro version, blue.
\_ how often does this thing leave a blot?
\_ If you're not used to it, it can blot, and it depends on
your writing/drawing style, but I agree with pp that once
you're used to it, it's the best.
\_ Uni-Ball Vision black, biyotch!
\_ how are those Fisher Space Pens for general use?
\_ Impractical but cute; they write just fine. If you want really
stylish, go for a Graf von Faber Castell fountain pen. Never
blots, nice heft, real pleasure to write with. What are you
looking for? Drawing/drafting, writing, doodling? -John
\_ Just whatever. Not drawing/drafting. And uh, under $20.
\_ Ah. I like Lamy Vista rollerball pens with M62 super
plus 205 ink cartridges. http://www.lamy.de . -John
\_ a pen connoisseur! I have a Lamy 2000 fountain pen,
nothing else writes so smoothly - it's awesome!
\_ Well I just got it on a lark once when I bought
about 4 or 5 decent pens to try out. I still
think the F-C fountain pen my gf gave me blows away
all the Cross or other expensive pens I've ever
had by a mile. The really nice ones are at
http://www.graf-von-faber-castell.com although
<DEAD>faber-castell.com<DEAD> has really good quality pens too.
So does Caran d'Ache if you're into this sort of
thing -- http://www.carandache.ch . $$$ but
really worth it. -John
\_ Ever try a S.T. Dupont? If so, how's it compare
to the F-C? -nivra
\_ Not tried, seen. Dunno, go to an expensive
pen shop and try them all. If they balk at
letting you try out every pen in the place
before you blow $700 on a writing implement,
vote with your wallet. -John
\_ The Lamy Safari is worth taking a look at if you
want to try a fountain pen. Quite decent, sturdy,
costs $25 to $30. -pvg
\_ "During the space race back in the 1960's, NASA was faced with a
major problem. The astronaut needed a pen that would write in the
vacuum of space. NASA went to work. At a cost of $1.5 million
they developed the "Astronaut Pen". Some of you may remember. It
enjoyed minor success on the commercial market.
The Russians were faced with the same dilemma.
They used a pencil."
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
\_ Pilot G5
\_ I'm not a pen connoisseur, but these days, I usually buy whatever
pen that uses gel ink.
\_ That doesn't smear right? I don't know if I've ever tried it.
It sounds like the hot ticket... no smear and water resistant.
\_ I mainly like it, because they write smoothly. -pp
\_ Why use pen anyway except for throw-away doodling?
\_ Lab notebooks have to be in pen.
\_ I love the Sensa, it actually uses the "Space Pen" refills
mentioned above. The plasium shell is great, it's very
comfortible, molds around your finger (ergonomic). Also
equally counter-balanced and looks way too cool! Had mine for
3 years, works like a charm, highly recommended!
\_ I thought people from China blowing off thousands for expensive
watches were dumb. Didn't know it's the same over here, just
that it's pens. |
| 2005/2/8-9 [Recreation/Dating, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:36112 Activity:very high |
2/8 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146797,00.html I have to say this is the hottest junior high teacher I have ever seen. If I were the same 13 year old, I'd shut up and enjoy the ride. \_ There was a recent case where the teacher was hotter. \_ Agreed. That was Debra Lafave. \_ I wonder if this is the same school where the principal banned War Veterans for Peace from distributing information to students. \_ My French teacher in HS was hotter--she as also the swim coach. Tall, blonde, liked to wear red minidresess. -John \_ Damn you. My French teacher in high school was about 65, short, and fat. Fortunately, she didn't like to wear red minidresess. \_ I had the hots for two teachers, both hotter than this one. In biology class, watching her always kept my thoughts on topic. Damn. \_ Human Biology? \_ try http://afterschooldoc.com and look for "Debra Lafave". Her ex-husband was interviewed on Larry King, and seemed cool and decent even though he was humiliated by the whole thing. \_ Or just: http://images.google.com/images?q=debra%20lafave \_ Seconded. I'll bet every horny 13 year old boy (is there any other kind) was dreaming about banging her -- and one of them got lucky ... \_ Is there a NAWBLA? \_ North American Wayne Brady Look Alikes? |
| 2005/2/8-10 [Health/Disease/General] UID:36113 Activity:very high |
2/8 I'm writing a report on Things We Didn't Know Were Harmful, on things
like lead paint (1950s), asbesto insulation (1960s), early birth
control pills (1960s) and other stuff, what are other examples you
guys can think of? ok thx
\_ the dot-com boom.
\_ wireless
\_ Cigarettes
Also, to some degree, radiation from nukes--look at
http://www.aracnet.com/~pdxavets/reedk.htm -John
http://www.aracnet.com/~pdxavets/reedk.htm
In the 17th century some people thought mercury was a cure-all
medicine, Romans built water pipes out of lead. -John
\_ John. tobacco and lead pipes were already mentioned. :(
\_ Yeah--they cause short attention span. Sorry. -John
\_ FD&C Red #2
\_ "Food Drug & Commission"?
\_ Food, Drug, and Cosmetic. You'll also sometimes see just
D&C or External D&C, depending on what the colors are
approved for. http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/colorfac.html
\_ non-biodegradable detergents
\_ thalidomyde
\_ X-ray machines as a gimmick in shoe stores
\_ "Ra-di-a-tion. Yes, indeed. You hear the most outrageous lies
about it. Half-baked goggle-box do-gooders telling everybody it's
bad for you. Pernicious nonsense! Everybody could stand a hundred
chest X-rays a year. They ought to have them, too."
\_ Bioaccumulated pesticides
\_ Lead and mercury
\_ Specific example: Amalgams, aka "silver filling" despite it
being made up of ~50% mercury.
\_ Amalgams are stull used. They are packaged now so that the
mercury isn't free for very long.
\_ We studied this in chemistry at UCB. There is/was no risk.
The amounts involved are so small.
\_ Dude, you went to Berkeley? How gay!
\_ When? Your info may be dated. EPA now recommends intake
levels somewhere around 5-8 ppm, orders of magnitude lower
than previously accepted. Additionally, there were studies
finding correlation between post-natal defects and number
of amalgam fillings the mother has. The theory is that
mercury gas emitted from the filling(what's that word for
straight solid-->gas chemical conversion?) is on the order
of 5-10 ppm per day.
levels somewhere around 5-8 ppm, orders of magnitude
lower than previously accepted. Additionally, there
were studies finding correlation between post-natal
defects and number of amalgam fillings the mother has.
The theory is that mercury gas emitted from the
filling(what's that word for straight solid-->gas
chemical conversion?) is on the order of 5-10 ppm per
day.
\_ 1991. Do you trust chemistry or statistics? The
word you want is sublimate, btw.
\_ leaded gasoline, lead water pipes, lead paint, etc.
\_ And before that, lead-based cosmetics!
\_ Bleeding out a fever with leeches
\_ http://www.biopharm-leeches.com
\_ Uranium-lined water coolers to provide 'healthful' radiation in
your drinking water. (I'm not making this up)
Also Fiestaware and other uranium-ore glazed ceramics.
\_ Did these actually turn out to be harmful? I was under the
impression that _small_ amounts of radiation were actually
good for your health.
\_ Small amounts of radiation exposure happens naturally and is
probably important for long-term evolution, but it is never
good for the individual (with the exception of highly
targeted medical therapy). These coolers produced
contaminated water far in excess of 'safe' levels.
If you want to learn more, look up 'revigator'.
\_ DDT: "So safe you can spray it over residential areas!"
\_ i found some page claiming DDT really is safe and saved millions
of lives wrt malaria and it was all a liberal kook plot
\_ It was kind of a cool substance-- didn't smell bad, didn't
really cause too much harm as a percentage of its use. The
chain from runoff -> fish collecting it -> birds eat fish ->
thin bird eggshells seems pretty long and unexpectable.
\_ One glass of orange juice a day is about 0.03% HERP (Human
Exposure dose/Rodent Potency dose) from d-limonene. 3 cups
of coffee a day is 0.1% HERP from caffeic acid. Pre-1972 DDT
intake was about 0.002% HERP. It's somewhat worse than a plum
a day at 0.001% HERP. (ref "The Skeptical Environmentalist")
\_ This may indeed but the case, but I thought the problem
with DDT is not that it is directly harmful to humans,
but it is dangerous to many other animals in the
ecosystem.
\_ Yes, that was the disinformation in "Silent Spring"
\_ See, some people are still confused about this!
\_ The _Skeptical_Environmentalist_ that was written by a non
expert talking about things way out of his field of
experience and was debunked by both Science and Nature.
That _Skeptical_Environmentalist_, right?
\_ The case for and against the Skeptical Environmentalist
is pretty well documented. You are welcome to read up
on it and judge the worthiness of the book yourself.
\_ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1310131/posts
\_ http://www.greenspirit.com/lomborg , by Patrick
Moore, cofounder of Greenpeace.
\_ This is actually taught to middle and high school students
thru pages at http://wise.berkeley.edu Supported by an NSF
grant of course.
\_ Unfortunately, exposure to DDT causes penis and testicular
shrinkage in animals. One might argue that no benefit is
worth that. Of course, CSUA members wouldn't care much
about that one way or the other.
\_ Hey, speak for yourself buddy: that sounds like a
freakin nightmare to me. What the heck is wrong with
you?
\_ Yermom often complains about my large penis. I
was just trying to be considerate.
\_ What dosage was required for that? I love those studies
where they'll like have the critters drinking the stuff.
\_ Trans-saturated fats. Margarine is worse for you than butter.
\_ Are you serious?
\_ http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2003pres/20030709.html
\_ This is pretty generally accepted in the last few years.
\_ Not sure about this. Ignoring transfats, what about cholesterol?
Butter has it and margarine does not.
\_ tobacco
\_ germs (i.e. not washing your hands in hospitals)
\_ MTBE
\_ Microsoft circa 1984.
\_ Depleted uranium bullets used in gulf war causes impotence. Heated
CPU and other electronic compounds causes birth defects. Alumnium
cans in Coke/Pepsi causes Parkinsons disease. Tupperware and heated
plastics in microwave triggers gay genes. -future man, 2040
\_ leftists
\_ I think it's just "Tupperware and heated plastics", not
necessarily in microwave.
\_ aluminum: also Alzheimer's. And diet Coke in alumnimum = double
whammy aspartame brain tumors.
\_ Cocaine in Coca-cola.
\_ leftists
\_ Wow, cool list above. Here's a vote for posting a link to your
report on the motd once you're done. Seems like it could be a fun
read.
\_ seconded.
\_ Agent Orange
\_ Teflon
\_ The material used in flame-resistant mattress. I heard on the radio
recently that it causes breast cancer.
\_ Thalidomide
\_ Already mentioned above.
\_ Silicone implants.
\_ Just saw an article or Daily Cal or somewhere else today on
the link between green tea and stomach cancer cases among
Asian-Americans.
\_ I thought green tea is supposed to help prevent cancer.
\_ sunbathing
\_ red meat
\_ refined flour http://drcranton.com/nutrition/bread.htm
\_ Thanks! I thought the wheat bread from Safeway was nutritious! |
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