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2005/2/6-7 [Uncategorized] UID:36076 Activity:nil
2/5     Did anyone catch SNL tonight and know the name of that second
        song by the guest band, Keane (sp?) ?
2005/2/6-7 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/SW/Security] UID:36077 Activity:very high
2/6     Our parent company is considering forbidding us from taking laptops
        off the premises due to possible src code loss.  Considering that
        many of us work from home the majority of the time, this does not
        sit well.  We need to come up with a proposal for keeping the
        src (or entire disk) on an encyrpted drive.  I used PGP desktop
        a while back but never did any disk intensive activity (eg compilation)
        on it.  Has anyone been subjected to similar measures and have any
        suggestions?  Thanks.
        \_ Yeah, plenty of companies are hiring. Start looking for another
           job now.
           \_ I love my job.  Not interested in a new one. -op
              \_ Do you think this is the last PHB decision they will make?
                 You love it now, but this is just a harbinger of things
                 to come. I am sorry I cannot be more positive. There has
                 got to be some way of encrypting things for you but I
                 don't know what it is.
                 \_ Maybe not, CHKP is an agent of the Mossad, so I wouldn't
                    put anything past them, but, regardless, i need to wait
                    a few more years for the remainder of my options to vest.
                    -op
        \_ Write up a reasoned explanation of why this won't help. Particularly
           in a technical field (development), it's always near trivial to find
           ways around this unless they completely isolate your work network
           from the internet.  (i.e. you can't go to websites, check popmail,
           etc)  If there are any such "holes" that those evil, evil employees
           could just copy the code out through, encrypting it locally won't
           help.
           \_ The issue is not that they don't want employees stealing the
              src, the issue is that laptops are prime targets for theft and
              if someone were to get their laptop stolen, release of the
              src code would be disasterous.  Of course there are plenty
              of ways to get around it.  -op
              \_  Out of curiosity, does anyone know how often data from
                  stolen laptops ends up getting into the wrong hands?
                  I would have guessed that most laptops get stolen
                  by crackheads who sell them to the local pawn shop for a
                  hundred dollars, who then erases the harddrive and sells
                  it for two hundred to some random moron.  At what point in
                  this chain does data get sent to some competing software
                  company?  Are there people out there making a living
                  cruising the silicon valley pawn shops for sellable data on
                  stolen hard drives?
        \_ magnetic tape, flashdrive/CF/SD/etc, laptop HD in a USB/FW case ...
           iPod/etc ...
           \_ Again I'm not looking for ways to take src code home.  I'm
              looking for a reasonable solution for securing the data on
              the laptop to mollify their concerns and to prevent me
              from having to jump through such hoops.  I still have VPN
              access to CVS from my desktop at home and if it were to come to
              it would just ditch the laptop.  -op
              \_ it was meant as examples to give your company to prove
                 how fucking stupid they are.
              \_ Uhm, if you have VPN access to the company what makes
                 the company think that someone can't just steal your
                 computer at home and get the source code there? I'm sure
                 that you encrypt your data, but that's not a guarentee
                 that someone else who works under similar conditions will.
                 Anyway, what's so important about the source code? MS had
                 its source code for Winblows leaked, it's not like someone
                 is going to go and develop a competing product anytime soon.
                 And if your software is that valuable, people can just
                 reverse it through brute-force decompilation and analysis.
        \_ It looks like PGP Corporate deployed using smart cards or tokens
           (e.g. RSA SecurID doodads) is probably what you want.  I just
           glanced at the marketing drivel on the website so you'll need to
           read further to be sure, but this looks like a reasonable place to
           start:
           http://www.pgp.com/products/desktop/disk
           -dans
           \_ We had very good success with Safeguard Easy (both boot sector
              protection and on-the-fly disk crypto.)  If you're feeling
              adventurous, you can play with MS EFS on top, but your PKI
              admins had better know what they're doing.  -John
        \_ Most responses don't really understand the problem. Working in
           an environment where much of our software is classified as a
           munition, I do. It is about accountability more than actual
           prevention of theft. They *know* you can steal the source and
           if they were concerned about that they'd do what the DoD does
           and make you leave it at work. They are concerned about the
           laptop being stolen. Whether or not it is easy to obtain the
           source by hacking into the system over VPN is irrelevant. In
           our particular case, it is just disallowed. Period. You can
           take the executables, but not the source. I, too, am interested
           in a good solution but I think none exists. However, I do not
           understand why the desktop is allowed. That is just as much of
           a no-no.
        \_ I would just take the source code home and be done with it.
2005/2/6 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:36078 Activity:very high 54%like:36081
2/6     Gambling on housing:
        http://csua.org/u/az4
        \_ I would say I hope these speculators loose their shirts and go
                                                \_ ObYermom
           bankrupt, but that's an understatement.  I hope they get tarred
           and feathered, and get cancer from the tar.  Fuck all real estate
           speculating parasite bastards.
        \_ Yep.  A good friend told me oh 6 months ago that the smart Vegas
           real estate types were all moving money out of Vegas and into
           Phoenix.  I imagine those guys will move out now that the dumb
           money is moving in.
        \_ Seriously, can't these people find something to invest in the
           grows the economy instead of just screwing the little guy?
           \_ Ergo, the need for fair market, rather than simply "free".
              \_ Market must be fairly regulated for all citizens, comrade.
              \_ To be frank, the controlled housing market around here is
                 screwing me far for than the housing speculators.
                 \_ I have no proof, and don't really know what I'm talking
                    about, but I'll bet dollars to donuts those laws that
                    make a "controlled" housing market were written by
                    politicians who are in the pocket of real estate
                    speculators.  In the end, this is why I've come to be
                    anti-regulation: regulation will always be written by
                    the shitheads, and I'd rather fight them in the free
                    market than live in a world where they write the laws.
                    \_ Actually, it's much simpler than that. For whatever
                       reason, no matter what type of system you have,
                       whether it be heavily regulated or not, whether
                       it is communist, capitalist, fuedalist, etc.
                       there will always be people who learn how to
                       beat and cheat the system to their own advantage.
                       So, it really doesn't matter what you do, there
                       will always be have and have nots, and the have
                       nots will always outnumber the haves. The only
                       way to have true equality is to make everyone
                       equal, and that's not going to happen because
                       doing so would result in a meltdown in society.
2005/2/6 [Computer/SW/Mail, Computer/Domains] UID:36079 Activity:nil
2/06    i forward my soda mail to another machine running
        spamassassin, but every mail that passes through soda gets

        3.1 SPF_HELO_SOFTFAIL SPF: HELO does not match SPF record (softfail)
        [SPF failed: Please see http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=berkeley.edu&ip=128.32.112.233&receiver=gradlab.ucsd.edu]

        i tried following the instructions on
        http://spf.pobox.com/faq.html#forwarding
        but that didn't fix anything. what am i doing wrong?
        \_ It looks like you specified your sender address as user@berkeley.edu
           instead of user@csua.berkeley.edu.  If you post the whole message
           with headers (put it in /csua/tmp or something), we can probably
           give more specific advice.
           \_ /csua/tmp/fwd-mail-header.txt
              i don't specify a sender address anywhere - i just
              have a destination email address in my .forward
              thanks for helping.
              \_ Thanks.  Could you please make it readable?
                 \_ sure :)
                    \_ The .forward file is what doesn't work with SPF -- you
                       need to erase your .forward file, and use one of the
                       .procmailrc rules they suggest instead.  (It looks like
                       you have both right now, but that's not going to work:
                       the .forward file takes precedence, and it's not looking
                       at your .procmailrc at all.)
2005/2/6-7 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Car/Hybrid] UID:36080 Activity:high
2/6     Hey MOTD -- My car is going to die soon, and I was wondering if anyone
        has any suggestions for replacements.  My car is a 1998 ford taurus,
        24v Duratec engine.  It has good power, is very roomy, and was very
        reliable until it hit 100k miles.  I'm not married to another ford
        (or even to an american), but I can't really afford more than $30k
        (and 30 is really the upper end).  Ideally, I'd like something similar.
        TIA.
        \_ The Toyota Avalon is pretty nice.  280hp, roomy comparable to the
           ford, decent features, hovering right at the $30k mark.
        \_ Easy, get a Honda Accord or a Toyota Corolla. Relatively cheap,
           dependable, and if you get the better models it'll hold up its
           value. It should give you at least 10 years if not more.
           \_ If you don't want to buy a bland Accord or Camry perhaps
              you should consider a Subaru Legacy or Outback. Both would
              fit w/in your budget (the basic Legacy/Outback is btwn $21K
              and $25K, while the Legacy Turbo GT is btwn $26K and $30K).
              I currently own a 2003 Outback Wagon (basic, $22K in 2003)
              and I think that it is the best car I have ever owned.
              Some drawbacks of a Subaru are (1) the AWD decreases your
              gas mileage by 1 or 2 MPG over a non-AWD car such as a
              Camry, (2) the tires are more expensive to replace than
              on a Camry/Accord, (3) there aren't as many Subaru dealers
              as Honda/Toyota, and (4) there isn't a good way to listen
              to music from an iPod (no cassette player/line in).
              The Mazda 6 (as mentioned below) is another alternative,
              but I mainly chose the Outback over the 6 b/c the Outback
              had more interior room so I could carry more mtbs.
              --ranga
                \_ specs please. MPG, 0-60, HP.
                   \_ Readily available on the subaru website.   -OP
                   \_ the Accord beats Subaru on all 3 (MPG, speed, HP)
                      \_ This is true, but you should consider the
                         fact that the Subaru has AWD and can be
                         driven off road.
              \_ mtbs = mountain bikes? doesn't that muddy up the car?
                 what's wrong a rack? and why did you choose the outback
                 over the legacy? the outback has significantly worse brakes.
                 \_ I haven't had a big problem w/ mud. The car came w/
                    a big rubber mat that can be washed out. I considered
                    a roof rack but I decided that most of the time I
                    could just get by w/o it by sticking my bike inside.
                    a big rubber mat that can be washed out.
                    I don't normally need to carry more than one bike,
                    so I didn't want to invest in a rack. When I need
                    to take more than 1 bike, I try to borrow a rack
                    from a friend.
                    The main reason I chose the outback over the legacy
                    was that the outback had 0% financing (legacy was
                    2.9%) and there was a dealer incentive of $600 so
                    over 2 yrs the outback worked out cheaper.  The
                    outback also has slightly better ground clearance
                    and the dealer threw in the rdg for free which
                    helps if you want to drive it off road (which I
                    don't really do a lot of these days).
                    I didn't really know about the brakes when I
                    bought the car, so far I haven't noticed any
                    problems.
                    If I was buying today, I might still choose the
                    Outback b/c of the ground clearance but in all
                    other aspects the Legacy is preferable.
                    \_ Yeah I doubt the brake thing is that big a deal but
                       it was something my Dad considered when buying. The
                       Outback looks a lot flashier with the macho flared
                       fenders. I don't think most people really need
                       better ground clearance. I'm considering getting one
                       of the two myself. I like to be able to throw a bike
                       in the back of a car but I think I'd hesitate with
                       a nice carpeted trunk. I've used a truck a lot and
                       it always builds up dirt and mud back there. Maybe
                       if I got a tarp to cover everything back there... the
                       rubber mat thing I think only covers the very back.
        \_ Prius.
        \_ What about the Ford Five Hundred? It's supposed to be decent but
           boring, and the dealers will probably have to add incentives.
        \_ Does it have to be a brand new car? What's wrong with the
           current one? It will definitely cost less to fix the one you
           have and/or wait until it really dies. Camry, Altima, and Accord
           compete with the Taurus along with Mazda 6 and similar. All are
           under $30K. Personally, I'd think about buying a Lexus, even if
           it is a year old. If not that then how about an Avalon? I have
           firsthand experience with 2 Avalons and they are Lexus-lite.
           \_ Nah, it doesn't have to be brand new.  My current car might have
              a busted head gasket.  Cost to repair would exceed or equal the
              kelly bluebook value.
              \_ Yes, but still less than a new car. About $2K.
                 \_ Or, even better, seel the current jalopy to a junkyard
                    and buy another used card.  http://acauction.com!
                    \_ Yah, that's pretty much my plan;  I'm just polling
                    \_ Yah, that's pretty much my plan;  I'm just trolling
                       to see what motd people are interested in, or have
                       experience with.
        \_ Look buddy, $30K is a lot, do you really want to spend that
           much money on something that will depreciate 1/4-1/3 of its
           value the first year you buy it? Here is my recommendation.
           Buy a decent USED Japanese car from someone (Civic, Accord),
           and don't buy from dealers. You'll spend 1/2 of what you
           originally planned and can save the other 1/2 for something
           else nice, like kitchen/bathroom remodeling or save it for
           your kids' college tuition.
           Here is my second recommendation. If you MUST spend $30K,
           you can get a car that has enough room for fat asses like
           me (+200 pounds), has 255HP, ***37MPG***, and goes 0-60 in
           6 seconds. It is called the Honda Accord Hybrid.
           \_ "Nah, it doesn't have to be brand new."  and
              "Yah, that's pretty much my plan;".  Did you even read the
              thread, or are you just naturally this jerky?
           \_ Basically, the last sentence is the only relevant piece of
              information in your post for the OP's question.
           \_ there's something really really really wrong with putting 255HP
              in an oh-so-boring family sedan. It makes a lot of sense for a
              sportscar, but Honda Accord? 0-60 in 6 sec? It is just wrong.
         \_ What about Saturn? Any good? They have a neat little roadster
            coming out for $25K. Another option: Mini-Cooper.
            \_ Eh, neither is terribly roomy.  Check out the original post.
2005/2/6-7 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:36081 Activity:high 54%like:36078
2/6     Gambling on housing:
        http://www.csua.org/u/az4 (to the schmuck who put in the boobs, thanks)
        \_ whoo! http://tinyurl.com/5jk9o
        \_ I would say I hope these speculators loose their shirts and go
                                                \_ ObYermom
           bankrupt, but that's an understatement.  I hope they get tarred
           and feathered, and get cancer from the tar.  Fuck all real estate
           speculating parasite bastards.
        \_ Yep.  A good friend told me oh 6 months ago that the smart Vegas
           real estate types were all moving money out of Vegas and into
           Phoenix.  I imagine those guys will move out now that the dumb
           money is moving in.
        \_ Seriously, can't these people find something to invest in the
           grows the economy instead of just screwing the little guy?
           \_ Ergo, the need for fair market, rather than simply "free".
              \_ Market must be fairly regulated for all citizens, comrade.
              \_ To be frank, the controlled housing market around here is
                 screwing me far for than the housing speculators.
                 \_ I have no proof, and don't really know what I'm talking
                    about, but I'll bet dollars to donuts those laws that
                    make a "controlled" housing market were written by
                    politicians who are in the pocket of real estate
                    speculators.  In the end, this is why I've come to be
                    anti-regulation: regulation will always be written by
                    the shitheads, and I'd rather fight them in the free
                    market than live in a world where they write the laws.
                    \_ Actually, it's much simpler than that. For whatever
                       reason, no matter what type of system you have,
                       whether it be heavily regulated or not, whether
                       it is communist, capitalist, fuedalist, etc.
                       there will always be people who learn how to
                       beat and cheat the system to their own advantage.
                       So, it really doesn't matter what you do, there
                       will always be have and have nots, and the have
                       nots will always outnumber the haves. The only
                       way to have true equality is to make everyone
                       equal, and that's not going to happen because
                       doing so would result in a meltdown in society.
                       \_ Well, that, and it would be wrong.
                       \_ What is wrong with real estate speculation?
                          \_ When speculators take over, they end up driving
                             the prices up way beyond what people in that
                             area can afford, meaning that people who live there
                             get screwed and end up spending way more money on
                             houseing or just gettin gdriven out of the area.
                             If the speculating frenzy is not connected with
                             real economic growth of the area, everyone gets
                             totally fucked except for the early speculators
                             who screwed the later speculators.  I've lost my
                             apartment three times in as many years to these
                             fuckers, and at least one of the places I had to
                             leave is actually still sitting vacant now, two
                             years after I had to move out.  No, I don't live
                             in the Bay Area.
                             \_ Just for clarity, where do you live?
                                \_ New Haven, CT.
                                   \_ Yale has been buying up whole city blocks
                                      around the campus for years now.  It took
                                      real estate speculators this long to
                                      capitalize on this?
                             \_ Gee, that's too bad for you.  Do you need big
                                government to keep the bad evil capitalists
                                away at night too?
                                \_ Hey, asshole, I was the one advocating
                                   deregulation.  Just because I think something
                                   should be legal doesn't mean I don't hate
                                   the bastards who do it.
                                \_ Have trouble reading, moron? I was
                                   saying the government IS the problem
                                   usually.  There's miles of wide open
                                   completely unused land around here
                                   (literally), but it remains unused
                                   because the local government says that
                                   it can't be built on.  As far as I can
                                   tell, this is simply to keep land
                                   prices as high as possible.
                                   \_ You have to hand it to this guy, he's a
                                      skilled troll.  He managed to elicit a
                                      "asshole" and a "moron" from people who
                                      agree with him on this issue. Funny.
                             \_ You know, the owner of my favorite neighborhood
                                lunch place retired and her son took over the
                                running of the place.  You know what the bastard
                                did?  He decided to go upscale, changed the
                                menu, and raised prices!  Now the place sits
                                half-empty, and I have to get my lunches from
                                another restaurant.  There should be a law
                                against restaurants changing owners and raising
                                prices.
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