Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2005:January:17 Monday <Sunday, Tuesday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2005/1/17-18 [Reference/History/WW2] UID:35741 Activity:low
1/16    Are harddrives 100.00% axis-independent? In another word, will
        they get 100.00% same efficiency/reliability if you run them
        the right side up, up side down, side-ways, etc?
        \_ The chimp says ***Evil Axis*** must die
        \_ No, they're only 99.99% axis- independent. Due to gravity there
           are slight fluctuations on the rotational axis of the drive which
           the internal logic attempts to compensate for, but is not 100%
           effective. Also, moving the drive around to different parts of
           the room will affect it because of the magnetic field of the earth.
           We spent about 10 years measuring this and we know that the
           effect can be as high as .0000001% of the drive speed. So, get
           out your magnenometer and start optimizing the placement of your
           hard drive!
2005/1/17-18 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:35742 Activity:high
1/17    My DMA is in fact turned on, but I'm hardly getting the 133 rate
        in my ATA133 as claimed by my motherboard and hard-drive. What
        are some culprits in the lack of performance? ok thx.
        \_ How are you measuring the throughput?
        \_ You know nothing can sustain ATA133 throughput, right?
        \_ And you're running which OS?
        \_ Bottleneck is hard drive heads reading data off the spinning
           platter.  I think you max out around 20-30 MB / second these days
           for a 7200rpm drive for not too fragmented large files.
           Heck, notebooks have ATA133, why are their hard drives slow?  Duh.
           \_ I've tried transfering 50Gig of content (mostly movies,
              very little HD head movements) and according to the XP
              estimation it will take 160 min. So that means the
              rate is approx 5.2M/sec. That is nowhere close to 20-30MB
              rate you're saying. I'm very dissappointed...
              \_ if your source hard drive is defragged and your dest
                 hard drive is empty, you are not doing this across a 100Mbps
                 network or some crappy FireWire / USB 2.0 controller, and
                 5.2 MB/s turned out to be the user-measured result (as opposed
                 to what Windoze estimates), I'd be disappointed too.
                \_ yes. Drive 1 is Maxtor 250Gig drive, empty.
                   Drive 2 is WD 200Gig drive, no fragmentation.
                   Both are on the same ATA133 cable. Transfering
                   from 2 to 1 is about 5MB/sec. WHAT IS GOING ON?
                   Why is it so slow???
                   \_ That *is* slow.  Do you have any anti-virus apps doing
                      on-the-fly scanning?
                        \_ nope! Disabled the "real-time" scan. ARGGGGGGGGGGG
                   \_ Okay, now why didn't you give this information from the
                      start?  If they're on the same cable, you're running in
                      half-duplex.  So your theoretical best is half the max.
                      \_ no. 133ATA means 130000Mb/sec, or 16.6MB/sec.
                         So theoretical limit is 16.6, and assuming
                         half-duplex, it's 8.3MB/sec. I'm getting 5.2MB/sec.
                         I guess 5.2 out of 8.3 is not too bad, but still
                         very disappointing.            -op
                         \_ 133 means 133 MB/s
                            Anyway, re-install Windoze and measure again.
                   \_ Is your NTFS drive compressed?
                        \_ NOPE                         -op
                   \_ Did you check your primary/secondary IDE channel settings
                      (in Manage Hardware) and verify that DMA is in fact
                   \_ I have run performance tests on literally dozens of
                      drives and they are all like that. 5MB is kind of slow,
                      but you are never going to see 10MB/sec.
                      \_ I just timed a dump of a 2 GB DVD image from drive
                         to /dev/null on my Thinkpad T41. Average 20 MB/s, and
                         watching a realtime monitor it was more like 24 MB/s
                         and then a pause at 0 MB/s while Linux did some
                         poorly timed swapping.  I am sure I get better speeds
                         than OP copying from drive to Ipod over USB2.
           \_ There's also seek time when the sectors you try to read are non-
              contiguous in the same track, and when the sectors are in
              different tracks.
              \_ I believe it's called "latency" when the data resides in
                 the same track.  Seek time is moving heads, as you noted.
                 Access time is the overall result.
        \_ The only time you'll see 133 is when it's reading data that's in the
           drive's memory buffer.
           \_ if the little pixies are on strike there will be some slow down
        \_ Dude where are the true SCSI-files? ATA has always make outrageous
           claims. It is a combination of the fact ATA just not "robust"
           enough to support that many drives and Windoze sucks at FS.
2005/1/17 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:35743 Activity:insanely high
1/16    Dear libertarians (ie "all man for himself") and conservatives
        (ie "flat tax means equality"), what is your opinion on the
        following article and why is it flawed?         -moderate
        \_ Dear moderate (ie "I am too dumb to make up my mind"),
           please fuck off.
        \_ I'll bite.  The article points out that the income
           gap has closed but the wealth gap has not.  It seems
           intuitive that if the gap in income and wealth
           were to both close, that the income gap will come first.
           That we haven't seen the wealth gap close yet does
           not indicate a market failure.  Also, doesn't take
           into account that regional variations in wealth/income
           and regional variations in race are highly correlated
           (see <DEAD><DEAD>
           --Darin (moderate libertarian)
           \_ user/pass?  I tried moderate/libertarian and it didn't work.
        \_ I'll go in as well.  Again, they point out that the income gap
           has closed, but not the wealth gap.  In the article they
           attribute this to racism in companies giving morgages.  BS.
           Lack of loans don't stop people from investing in the stock
           market or any other sort of saving. Basically, America has a
           big problem with people not saving.  There's an epidemic of
           people living beyond their means in America, and blacks seem to
           be particularly susceptible to the lure of conspicuous
           consumption.  This is cultural, if your parents didn't save
           money, you probably won't either.  (In this case, it may be
           their parents didn't save money because some white guy would
           come and steal it.  It doesn't matter, the result is the same
           now.)  I think we should make a class in money management a
           high school requirement. -jrleek
           \_ I agree with everything you say, and yet I am a liberal.
              This may be one of the first jrleek posts I would say that about.
           \_ Ahh!  You used the b**** word!!!  Racist!!!
           \_ People keep saying blacks don't save money.  Then you go
              look up life expectancy of black males and it's like 69.
              The amount of money one needs to save for retirement is
              vastly different depending on whether one is going to live
              to 69 or 82.
              to 69 or 82.  White people complain a lot, but it's they
              who live a long, unproductive, useless post-retirement
              life on government subsidies.  They should learn to die
              earlier like black people, and stop wasting my tax dollars.
              These days, you start getting social security at like 67,
              so the average black male is only gonna get two years'
              worth, whereas someone who lives till 87 is going to get
              20 years' worth.  So, please stop dissing on black people.
              \_ Sigh.  This is why a little knowledge of statistics is
                 such a dangerous thing.
                 \_ well, the same thing can be said of jrleek's post,
                    which is my point.
                    \_ I must have missed it then.  Could you explain
                       where my post goes wrong in more detail?  Your post
                       makes a number a wierd logical fallacies that I
                       makes a number of weird logical fallacies that I
                       don't THINK I commited, which you claim to have
                       understood when you posted.  Please be more
                       specific. -jrleek
                       \_ Please explain what weird logical fallacies
                          were in my post?
                          \_ I don't think you know how life expectancy
                             works. - !jrleek
                             \_ That's the main problem.  The way you
                                apply life expectency is criminal, and
                                the resulting argument is horrifying in
                                it's circularity. -jrleek
           \_ This is the first time I've heard of the notion of African
              Americans in general not saving money vs. other Americans.  I
              read last night in the Post editorial on Social Security that the
              average U.S. household saves 1.5% of disposable income, compared
              to 11% two decades ago.
              So ... that must mean blacks are dragging down the average, even
              though they make up ~ 10% of the U.S. population?
              (That was an absurd statement; of course I don't believe that.)
              \_ I was just using the stats from the article.  I guess you
                 could say that blacks are "dragging down the average" but
                 I wouldn't.  It's a huge probelm in every race.  Blacks
                 just seem to be particularly afflicted with it. -jrleek
                 \_ I just updated my stats for you since I remembered my
                    source.  Anyway, if you said, whiteys played more stocks
                    than black people, even if they make the same money -- I'd
                    agree with you.
                    But I think the numbers don't lie, for all Americans, when
                    it comes to annual savings.
                    I don't know if the Post's result intelligently classified
                    some stock market investments as savings, so I can't argue
        \_ Again they focus on equal outcome rather than equal opportunity.
           The goal is clearly socialism.
           \_ socialism is equal income.
              communism is equal outcome.
              \_ capitalism is equal cum.
                \_ no, capitalism is equal outcome when you have enough income
        \_ "Victims!"
2005/1/17-18 [Consumer/CellPhone] UID:35744 Activity:low
1/17    Does anyone have experience with a cell phone retailer called Orange
        Digital Land?  I saw its newspaper ad saying they have a T-Mobile
        plan when I can get two phones, five lines, everything free for one
        year after rebates.  It just sounds too good to be true.  Is the store
        \_ If you sign up for 5 lines, I'm sure you can get 2 phones for free.
           The lines are *not* free, although activation may be.
        \_ I think the shop is simply using part of their "new customer"
           comission to work the deal.  You are basically getting a 5-line
           family plan.  The shop gets couple hundred dollars for each
           new line they open.  I did something similar before (switching
           from Cingular to T-Mobile).  I only switched 2 lines and got
           2 new phones (around $250 retail each) for free.  Oh, I didn't
           use Orange Digital Land.  I think all Chinese/Asian cell
           companies are pretty much the same.
           \_ So if I sign up and then cancel after one year, I get everything
              for free, the retailer makes a little profit, while T-Mobile
              loses money for the commission, phones and lines?  Doesn't sound
              like good business plan for T-Mobile.
              \_  Are they offering this in the bay area now?
                  My sister did it last year, and my parents just did it
                  a couple weeks ago, but they are in LA.
                  \_ Yeah, the ad lists five store addresses, all here in the
                     Bay Area.
              \_ That's pretty much it.  It's the cost of acquiring a new
                 customer.  Since most people don't change their carrier
                 on a regular basis, T-Mobile is hoping that you'll stay
                 for > 1 year.
2005/1/17 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:35745 Activity:nil
1/17    If I want to get a wireless card for my apple (desktop, not
        laptop), do I need to get it from apple or can I go get one
        from bestbuy? (e.g. a linksys card)
2005/1/17-18 [Health/Skin] UID:35746 Activity:moderate
1/17    i have this big ass pimple by my ear that has been there
        for several months.  how do i get rid of it?  a lot of soap?
        should i boil a needle and pop it?
        \_ If there's a little dark spot in the center, it's an ingrown
           hair.  Ingrown hairs are harmless.  Tumors are not.  Have it
           checked out.
        \_ Several months?  Maybe it's not a pimple.
        \_ My prom date had a bump by her ear.  After 6-12 months she had it
           biopsied and it was a tumor of one of the glands.  She had it
           removed while under general anesthesia, didn't need to take chemo,
           and is fine today.  She's 31 today; that was ~ 5 years ago.
           \_ It's funny, because the way you worded this it sounds like
              you went to your prom when she was 26...
                                \_ You the mac. 18 year old taking a 26!
                                   \_ Heh, I don't think the prom and the
                                      discovery of the bump on her ear
                                      occurred during the same general
                                      time frame.
2005/1/17-18 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:35747 Activity:nil
1/17    For the person who asked about AFP over SSH, just start
        a ssh tunnel on your client:
        ssh -N -L [localport]:localhost:548 [user]@[afpserver]
        Now you can connect using ssh via the finder using the
        afp url: afp://localhost:[localport]
        \_ note: must be root to bind to <1024
2005/1/17-18 [Consumer/Camera, Computer/HW/Printer] UID:35748 Activity:kinda low
1/17    What's a good photo printer to get these days?  Willing
        to spend from $150 to $500000.
        \_ Canon Pixma. They are a new line and start at $100 I think.
        \_ Canon Pixma. They are a new line and start at $100000 I think.
        \_ Costco or Walmart.
           \_ How do the printers at Costco work?  The printout looks and feels
              like traditional photos.  Are their printers inkjet or laser?  Or
              do the printers actually shine light on real photo paper?  The
              printout from my Epson Stylus Photo 1200 looks good, but it looks
              pretty obvious that it's not traditional photo even though I'm
              using some so-called photo paper.
              \_ They are using standard photo printers that cost thousands of
              \_ They are using standard photo printers that cost billions of
                 dollars.  Same process as traditional photos.  So you can
                 either invest in a printer, or pay $0.20 per print at Costco.
                 \_ Don't standard photo printers print from negatives (shine
                    light thru negatives on unexposed photo paper)?  How do
                    they print from digital files?
                    \_ Just a guess--they use a thin lcd panel and project
                       light through that.  Frankly I don't know, but the
                       process is great for my digital photos.
                    \_ Dye-sublimation? The Canon CP series are dye-sub
                       with a clear coating. Very similar to "real"
                       photo prints.
                    \_ These days many photo labs print all digitally.  All
                       films get scanned by their professional printers.
                       Oh, and the Epson R series with 8 inks are supposed to
                       be really good.  I'm waiting for the wide format version
                       of the R series to come out this year.  I think the R
                       series is in direct competition to Canon Pixma series
                       someone mentioned above.
                 \_ Last I checked they charged $0.17/print.
2005/1/17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iran, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:35749 Activity:insanely high
1/17    Iran is next!
        \_ And Hersch (and his informer) should be executed for treason.
           Didn't people complain that our intelligence in Iraq was faulty
           because we didn't have human intelligence on the ground?
           \_ Let's execute all dem "newsjournalists" for tippin' off the
              enemy while our boys are behind enemy lines! </troll>
           \_ What is treasonous about this article? Specifically,
              I want you to point out something that was published in
              there that the enemy doesn't already know. Are you against
              the Freedom of The Press now?
              \_ *laugh* take a look at the right wing republican track record
                 on any subject relating to freedom of the press and decide
                 for yourself.  Of course they don't support freedom of the
              \_ I did not know that we had boots on the ground in Iran.  I did
                 not know they were the next target (thought it was Syria).
                 Freedom of the Press does not include shouting fire in a
                 crowded theater.
                 \_ You have to consider the possibility that some of
                    Hersch's sources might be feeding him disinformation.
                    \_ That doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't be
                       printing it.
                       \_ I know we have boots on the ground in North
                          Korea and Pakistan, unless the SEAL who told
                          me he had been there in the last year was lying
                          to me, a distinct possibility. I assume we
                          put Special Ops or CIA agents in places like this.
                          That is their job, after all. And Hersch job as
                          a journalist is to make sure we have a national
                          coversation about war against Iran before we
                          say, bomb the crap out of them. If Hersch had not
                          exposed the Abu Gharib torture, it would probably
                          still be going on. Would that be the best thing
                        \_ do you really thikn we have forces in NK
                           right now?  do they disguise themselves
                           as bowls of gruel?
                          \_ Are you a moron?  The Army had already started
                             their investigation.  Why do you think it would
                             still be going on?  The process was working.
                             \_ If you think it's not STILL GOING ON RIGHT
                                NOW, you, sir, are the moron.
                                \_ So there are still people being abused in
                                   Abu Ghraib right now?  What is your proof?
                                   \_ hey guys, I'm confused, are you talking
                                      about waterboarding, pyramid pileups,
                                      forced masturbation, sexual humiliation
                                      in general, or forced positions?
                                      \_ I think he is talking about the gang
                                         raping of minor boys.
                                         raping of minor boys. Cons always
                                         hate sodomy, except for the non
                                         consensual kind.
                             \_ I don't know, are you ? We were still
                                toruring people at Gitmo for quite a while
                                afterwards and the only reason we stopped
                                was because of the public outcry over Abu
                                \_ Please show a reputable reference that there
                                   was continued abuse at Abu Ghraib after the
                                   military began its investigation.
                                   \_ I meant that torture would still be
                                      going on, not necessarily torture at
                                      Abu Gharab. We continued to torture
                                      at Gitmo. If we had not had that national
                                      conversation about torture, where even
                                      "Torquemada" Gonzalez repudiated it, it
                                      would still be going on.
                          for America? How bad would it have gotten before
                          it was exposed then?
                          \_ do you really thikn we have forces in NK right
                             now?  do they disguise themselves as bowls of
                 \_ Syria isn't dangerous. There's no point wasting time with
                    them. By the way this article is the first time I've
                    noticed the use of an umlaut in words like cooperation and
                    preemptive (pree:mptive). Is that an established thing?
                    \_ It's a New Yorker mag thing, don't worry about
                       it. - danh
                    \_ Doesn't Syria have WMDs?  Aren't a non-negligible number
                       of insurgency leaders in Syria?
            \_ So you think Hersch should be executed for treason
               because he published a report that the US was sending
               Special Ops teams into Iran. Is that your serious
               contention? I think you are a loon.
        \_ "I'm absolutely convinced that the threat we face now, the idea of
           a terrorist in the middle of one of our cities with a nuclear
           weapon, is very real and that we have to use extraordinary measures
           to deal with it." -VP Cheney
           \_ Was that the line against Iraq or Iran?
              \_ VP debate, Oct 5 2004.
        \_ I don't think that he should be executed, like the loony Con up
           there, but I think he should have kept his mouth shut. It is not
           like he is exposing government wrongdoing, like at Abu Gharib or
           in the OSP case or numerous other times. -liberal
        \_ Does the article say whether any special ops teams are there in
           Iran right now?
           \_ "The American task force, aided by the information from Pakistan,
                has been penetrating eastern Iran from Afghanistan"
              \_ thx! -khamenei
                 \_ Next time RTFA!
2005/1/17-18 [Computer/SW/Virus] UID:35750 Activity:nil
1/17    Update on the Win2K box that couldn't get DHCP or resolve DNS.  I tried
        installing NetBEUI, removing TCP/IP, rebooting, installing TCP/IP, but
        that didn't work.  Then I installed Ad-aware and it found and removed
        "VirtuMonde", an adware infection.  Everything worked after that.
        Removed everything else found by Ad-aware, and installed about 10
        critical updates.
        Looks like "VirtuMonde" tried to install and it screwed everything up.
        I guess I'll run the adware scanner first next time. :-P
        Thanks for all the help.
        \_ LSP were f*cked. Ad-aware has a fix for that. Also look for LSP fix
2005/1/17 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:35751 Activity:high
        Why I think this is a stupid idea. You usually have one point of
        entry and exit per plane, and the time for all the passengers
        to get on/off the plane increases greatly with 500 passengers.
        Second point. Say you fly 1 plane that hauls 500 passengers vs.
        5 planes that haul 100 passengers. If there's malfunction on the
        jumbo 500 seater plane, you're fucked, but you still have options
        when you have 4 other planes. In short, I think the bigger
        something is the dumber it is.            -csua armchair pilot
        \_ But with 5 planes, your overall failure rate is multiplied
           by 5. Anyway I think Boeing's 7E7 Dreamliner thing is more
           interesting. Their idea is that people want to go direct,
           not always get routed through giant hubs. Although I think
           most people will still put up with hubs if it's noticably cheaper.
        \_ Is your 100 passenger airplane overall operating cost 1/5 of
           the 500 passenger version?  I would think it would cost a lot
           more to operate 5 100-passenger airplane across the Atlantic
           vs. 1 500-passenger airplane.
           \_ It would cost a lot more to operate a 500 passenger plane
              filled with 200 passengers than it would be to operate 2
              100 passenger planes. How many routes do you think have
              that kind of demand or the ability to service a jet that
2005/1/17 [Uncategorized] UID:35752 Activity:nil
1/17    If our enemy gets rid of our satellites, can we still fight
        effective wars?
        \_ will never happen.
        \_ mebbe!!!!
        \_ most likely. MTV will be offline and a lot of
           Reservists will have to be called back from Iraq
           to keep teenagers from rebelling.
2005/1/17 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:35753 Activity:nil
1/17    Yay, Dubya!
        "The president's overall job approval rating stands at 52 percent,
        unchanged in the past month. Of all presidents in the post-war era who
        won reelection, only Richard M. Nixon had a lower job approval rating
        at the start of his second term while the other chief executives began
        their second term with job ratings of 60 percent or higher." -Wash Post
        \_ Just wait till he starts his war with Iran and starts drafting
           college students.
           \_ AAAAGHH!  The draft rumor was false last time, why would you
              believe it now?
              \_ What made it "false"? I still think Bush is going to have
                 to start drafting people. The National Guard has not met
                 their recruiting quota for six months running now, and
                 they are half of the troops in Iraq! Where is he going
                 to get the soldiers for this third front of his???
                 \_ !!!!?????`111`11one!!111eleven!!!!!
           \_ Wasn't there a "Read My Lips:  No Draft" moment?
              Isn't Rummy anti-draft?
           \_ Just a WAG, but IF there's a draft, I think they'd structure it
              to be easy to get postponements for college.  You want to draft
              kids of those least likely to raise a stink.
        \_ And Nixon also faced a press with a hard-on to publish anything bad
           about him.  Hmm...
         \_ Dude, the press has rolled over for Dubya.  Keep dreaming your
            paranoid fantasies if you want, but please remember there is a
            real world out there.
2005/1/17-18 [Industry/Jobs] UID:35754 Activity:moderate
1/17    Anyone interviewed recently, how is the job market?
        \_ Job?  Why are you asking me about the book of Job?  That's not
           even my field...or is there something I'm missing here? -gradstudent
        \_ Guess that tells you...
           \_ Guess that means the job market is good, everyone has jobs.
              \_ Or that no one is hiring..
        \_ Interviewed extensively in November; end result: no one hired
           anyone. Am hoping January will turn out much better.
        \_ Just interviewed at Google, am interviewing with Joe Random Startup
           next week.  The former was a cold call request for an interview,
           the latter was through a friend.  I'm not even looking for a job and
           have told both of them so.  I've had an offer of an interview at
           Yahoo! from a friend.  I'd say places are hiring again.  (Or at
           least interviewing).
           \_ You're not looking for a job, but you are interviewing?!?!
              \_ I'm not the previous poster, but I like to interview every
                 year or two.  It helps me keep track of how much I should be
                 making, and reminds me that I could leave my job if I wanted
                 to (or that I couldn't, depending).  Like the previous poster,
                 I always say up front that I'm not looking for a job.  No one
                 seems to mind.
        \_ So far 3 interviews and 0 offers :-(
           \_ I hear you.  Is this a pretty common situation?
              \_ You tell me.
2005/1/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:35755 Activity:nil
1/17    I need my daily dose of troll to keep me awake and being
        productive. Where are the damn trolls. The motd is too bring
        damn it!!
2005/1/17 [Uncategorized] UID:35756 Activity:high
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2005/1/17-18 [Recreation/Dating] UID:35757 Activity:very high
1/17    I think this is one of the most vile things I've ever seen.
        (worksafe, the horror is psychological)
        \_ STD checks? AAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaahhhhh!! Noooooooo! Next thing, you'll
           post a link suggesting the use of bike helmets, seat belts, and
           adequate lighting while reading!  please make it stop!!!!! can
           we please squish this anti-social user!?!??
           \_ Who's the anti-social one?  op, or the guy who thinks
              sending someone an e-card that says, "I was checking my
              address book, and... hey! You've got an STD!" is a good
        \_ what's so bad about it?
           \_ Shtuping someone and telling them after the fact via not-
              particularly-clever e-card that you gave them the clap is not
              the classiest thing I've ever seen.  -John
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