1/13    http://www.aetv.com/seearnoldrun
        No comment even though I voted for him, have his book, but
        oppose changing the Constitution.

1/13    I just bought an piece of unfinished wood furniture (night
        stand). It's plywood-like, and I'd like to finish it myself
        by having it painted flat black like the rest of my furniture.
        I haven't done this stuff in awhile, so what should I do to
        finish it properly? I know it'll involve sanding (multiple times?)
        and then painting it. Should I use a primer too? If anyone
        can give me details on any of these steps, I'd appreciate it.
        Thanks.
        \_ Sand it lightly just to set up the surface, then clean off any
           sawdust.  You shouldn't need primer.  You probably want 3 coats
           of paint, with a light sanding between each if you want to get
           pedantic about it.  -tom
        \_ plywood has too many holes, use a primer then paint
        \_ The paint you're going to use should have instructions for different
           types of wood.  Read them.

1/14    By the way, people.  It's the 14th.
        \_ That's the motd for ya', always livin' in the past.

1/13    DIY Wireless Alarm systems w/ monitoring - Anyone have experience
        with <DEAD>www.nextalarm.com<DEAD> - seems pretty interesting, can send
        email alerts, monitor online, celluar monitoring as well.
                http://www.smarthome.com/73900.html
                It's the upgraded version of what someone like Bay Alarm
                will sell you and charge you $$$ for monitoring.  -ax

1/14    http://csua.org/u/ap3
        \_ I wonder if the moron parent who was all pissed off that her
           son wanted to be a fisherman has any idea what commercial fishermen
           make.
           \_ Actually, I'm curious how long the kid would last as a
              commercial fisherman.  It's a whole different boat from
              sittin' on the riverside with a pole.
              \_ Well, I did it every summer I was in college. Personally,
                 I can't stand the sitting around with a pole type of fishing.
                 Yes, it's hard work, but depending on what fishery you're in,
                 it's comparable to construction work in difficulty, but
                 with *much* better pay, and much more fun.  The big pay
                 difference partly comes from the fact that when you're at
                 sea you don't spend *any* money, so what you earn you actually
                 save, without bills, food expenses, etc.  And there's no
                 income tax in Alaska.
                 \_ No income tax in Alaska?  How oppressive!
                    \_ Yeah, but the sales tax is 12%.
                       \_ Nice try.  It's zero.
                          \_ Omg!  Poor poor people!  How can they stand it?
                             Clearly, someone has NOT thought of the children
                             in Alaska.
                             \_ Actually every resident of any age gets a check
                                from the interest on a fund from oil money
                                that was started in the late 70's.  It's
                                usually about a grand a year per person.
                                And yes, that includes children.
                 \_ But if you're a resident in CA you have to pay tax on
                    income made elsewhere as well.  Also, how's the mortality
                    rate on the boats?
                    \_ The danger level strongly depends on which fishery you're
                       in.  Crab is really dangerous, salmon hardly at all.
                       I mentioned the income tax thing because if someone
                       were to do it fulltime, that makes a big difference.
                       It made no difference to me, since I only worked two
                       months a year and was still in a low tax bracket.
              \_ I wouldn't last a day.  I hate sea-sickness.. -- ilyas
                 \_ You'd be suprised how many commercial fisherman have the
                    same problem, but just suck it up and take dramamine
                    until they get used to it.
                    \_ Heh.  Let me tell you something about dramamine.
                       Dramamine does not work in storm weather, if you are
                       on a tiny boat.  To the tune of continuous vomiting.
                         -- ilyas
        \_ Other cool career choices for 8th graders:
           Adult Film Star
           \_ If no one grew up to be an adult film star, about 75% of you
              would have nothing left to live for.
           Professional Prostitute
           Pawn Shop Proprieter
           Mobster
           Crack Dealer
           \_ Don't forget crack whore; it is a noble profession and quite
              necessary to help sustain our society's way of life.
           \_ Crack dealers make GOOD money.  It is a great profession if you
              don't fry your brain first.
              \_ How much would a street dealer make?  Not some distributor
                 who sells to the street dealer, but the guy on the street
                 pushing the shit. Are there really that many crack addicts
                 in a given area?
                 \_ Hollywood, and the 2nd floor labs in soda.
              \_ Rule Number One: Never use your own product.
                 \_ Don't get high on your own supply.

1/14    Today we get the first glimpse of Titan's surface! Huzzah!
        \_ http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/main/index.html
           \_ Why are the pics so crappy and colorless?
              \_ It's NASA.  You get what you pay for.
                \_ what the hell does that mean?
              \_ Early pictures are often lo-res.  What I find so fascinating
                 is how weathered the rocks are.
              \_ There's a color one now.
        \_ As expected, no outrage from teh supposedly "libertarian" crowd
           about being forced at gunpoint to pay for something which should
           have been done in the private sector.
           \_ I stated once space exploration belongs in the private sector.
              I think NASA is extremely wasteful and inefficient.
              What more do you want me to say?  I am not aaron, I don't have
              fits.  -- ilyas
              \_ You don't have fits?? You've had so many motd-purging fits
                 that your name is used to describe the fit: "ilyas the motd"
                 \_ Heh.  Meyers calls it a fit, and you repeat it after him.
                    The motd-purging I do is neither violent nor sudden.  I
                    explained very carefully why I do it.  I do not insult
                    anyone, or in fact do anything that would make it a fit.
                    Other than destroy motd posts.  It takes more than
                    killing some posts to make a fit.  You need to read some
                    old wall logs for good fit examples. -- ilyas
                    \_ You don't insult anyone?  BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA!  That's the
                       silliest thing I've seen on motd in months!  *gaspgasp*
                       BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!
                       \_ When I delete?  I surely don't.  I just delete.
                          Do you just center in on keywords when you read
                          without regard for context or what?  -- ilyas
                          \_ when you have to delete, Delete, dont talk.
                             \_ There are two kinds of people in the world, my
                                friend, those who Delete, and those who walk...
           \_ Motd Libertarians only have a fit if some government program
              might benefit a poor person.  Space exploration does not, hence
              no complaints from this crowd.
           \_ While not mandated in the Constitution, I wholeheartedly
              space exploration, though I would like to know why it cost
              $3+ billion. Just look at Mars Observer in 93 to see what can
              happen to $1 bil in a blink without any accountability.
              \_ $1 billion is a drop in the bucket compared to 84 billion.
              \_ It shouldn't matter whether you support space exploration or
                 not.  The libertarian agenda states that anything worth doing
                 should be done by corporations or individuals, never by the
                 government, especially for something like space exploration.
                 \_ Hi, I have to pull a tom on you.  You are an idiot.
                      -- ilyas
                    \_ He may be an idiot, but he's summed your posts over the
                       last couple of years.  *shrug*
                    \_ ilyas isn't insulting you, he's making a statement of
                       fact! :-P
              \_ $3 billion is not a lot of money. A stealth bomber costs
                 about $1 billion. Not only do you have to design and
                 build a unique spacecraft, but you have to track it and
                 fly it for 7 years. Some of the science is also paid out
                 of that $3 billion. There's a lot of infrastructure to
                 be able to do something like this at all, from engineers
                 and scientists to security guards and janitors. It all
                 has to be paid for. Look at it this way: every senior
                 scientist and engineer costs $250K per year including
                 benefits and you haven't even built or launched anything
                 yet. To compare, MSFT spends $6-7 billion each year
                 in expenses and a lot of what they do is not as highly
                 specialized.
                 \_ NASA pays its engineers $250K/yr? Crap, I am in the
                    wrong industry.
                    \_ he said including benefits, which typically cost
                       a large percentage of the base pay in the first place.
                       but i doubt even their most senior technical
                       people get paid a whole lot more than 150K.
                       \- hola, if memory serves, NASA has a huge
                          number of old people on the rolls. few younger
                          people are begining their careers there anymore.
                          i suspect this means their avg costs [high salary,
                          high health care costs, looming pension costs]
                          are fairly high. ok tnx. --fmr nasa employee.
                          \- some stats: nasa employees under 30: 4%.
                             +60yr old : <30yrs employee ratio is 3:1 at nasa.
                       \_ Right. High-level scientists and managers might
                          get $250K, but most are in the $100-150K range.
                          However, there are good retirement benefits and
                          other perks. When I do my budgets I plan about
                          $250K for a senior person, because of the
                          overhead. They aren't getting that much in their
                          pockets, but it is still spent. BTW, there has
                          been a lot of hiring of young people in the last
                          5 years or so as NASA tries to reverse the
                          trend. There are also a lot more PhDs now than
                          there were in the 1970s.

1/14    So is aaron squished yet?
        \_ What would be the squishable offense?  Have you asked root?
           \_ Spamming wall?  Deleting wall archives?
              \_ Proof?
                 \_ Heh.  Root persons have very very strong evidence he
                    deleted the archives.  There are many witnesses to his
                    spamming, which should be sufficient.
                    \_ spam as in ads? for some commercial product?
                       \_ No spam as in walling the same fucking message
                          50+ times in rapid succession.
        \_ He kinda squished himself.  He hasn't logged on since the 10th.
        \_ I don't want aaron squished.  He should come back, restore the
           wall archive, and lord h07 42n ch1x over us just like it used to be!
           If he doesn't want to login anymore, at least he can just do the
           second part.
           \_ And we should follow the ilyas doctrine about squishing. Unless
              we're willing to squish everyone who's ever walled anything,
              or ever deleted a file, we can't squish aaron.
              \_ Kick ass.  I have a doctrine named after me!
                 Except uh, I never advocated anything remotely similar to
                 what you said, but carry on.  Doctrines rock. -- ilyas
                 \_ I think he's making an analogy.  You've instituted mass
                    deletions of motd posts due to one thread that went
                    sour in the past.  I think the doctrine of massive
                    retalliation for a single offense might predate
                    your posting to the motd by just a little, however.
                    \_ Heh.  'Single offense' indeed.  He is not making
                       an analogy, btw.  He is attributing to me things
                       I never said.  He is also not talking about
                       deletions but about squishings.  Did you even
                       read what he wrote at all? -- ilyas
                       \_ And why shouldn't you be squished for "ruining
                          (the motd) for everyone"?  Right, you said that
                          unless root went after *everyone* who has *ever*
                          edited the motd, root couldln't squish you.
                          \_ Once again, I never said this.  Since you insist
                             on putting words in my mouth (probably just
                             trolling), I am ending this conversation.
                             There is a big difference between 'edited'
                             and 'nuked.'  All I asked for was even
                             enforcement, or no enforcement at all. -- ilyas
                             \_ I dunno about doctrines, but Ilyas Baiting is
                                definitely a professional sport around here.
                                Huzzah!

1/14    Poorly formatted post vwapped.  Try again with a reasonable number of
        columns.

1/14    When people have anal sex, how do they know there is no leftover feces
        in the rectum?  Wouldn't it be gross when you pull out and see that
        your penis is lubricated with her shit?  It'd still be gross even if
        you're wearing a condom.
        \_ enema.
        \_ If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.  If you
           can't stand the shit, stay out of the rectum!
        \_ google for santorum and anal.

1/14    Hilarious interview from 1950s radio with Allen Ginsburg and very
        square woman about the term "beatnik."
        http://www.audioblogger.com/media/24759/125009.mp3
        \_ This is kind of interesting, but what is hilarious about it?  -tom
           \_ All Humor must be approved by Tom.
              \_ What do you find funny about it?  -tom
              \_ This comment was pretty funny, at least.
           \_ Dunno, I just thought the way that the woman talked to him was
              funny.  He's also pretty clearly stoned out of his gourd.

1/14    Dubya interview tonight emphasizing the failure to find WMDs and
        colossal CIA mistakes, where he says war was "absolutely" worth
        it even if there were no WMDs.
        Interview buried by Titan coverage and also Dubya's press
        conference today admitting his plainspokenness may have "unintended
        consequences".
        Intentional?  Who cares!  Even if it wasn't, this is exactly how
        the administration would have liked to have planned it.  Burying
        bad news on Friday has become a time-honored tradition for Dubya
        and friends, the rationale being:  The bad guys are the terrorists,
        if the Dems are ever elected they'll unwittingly let the terrorists
        destroy America; therefore, many actions are fine, and even heroic!
        \_ Unwittingly? You must not be familiar with Ann Coulter's corpus.
        \_ The interview is the "buried" news/  That's on 20/20 which is always
           on Fridays.
        \_ It is kind of hard to figure out exactly what you are trying to
           say here, but the gist of it seems to be that you believe that
           Bush traveled back in time and made sure that the Cassini probe
           was launched in such a fashion as to ensure that it passed Titan
           at the precise moment that scandal was erupting. I hope you
           don't really believe that. And if you do believe it, please
           join the other side. -Bush basher/American patriot
           \_ No I don't believe that, and this was said explicitly in the
              deleted thread.  To sum up:  "Bad news buried on Friday --
              sometimes it's intentional, sometimes not, but Dubya's
              people don't care either way, because they feel that they
              are doing it for the greater good."
              \_ Okay, then why drag poor Titan into it? And while I am sure
                 that Bush massages the news cycle, so has every President
                 since Nixon (maybe before, I dunno).

1/14    old thread about Titan moved elsewhere.
           \_ Please don't politicize this. Dubya wasn't even President
              when Cassini launched and when this date was chosen.
              \_ What you meant to say was, "Please take your discussion off
                 my thread", which I'll do.
                 \_ That, too. How pathetic the person was to tie a triumph
                    of man, science, and engineering to hatred of the President
                    of one of the countries involved - a President who
                    wasn't for most of the mission.
                    \_ The message is that Dubya likes to bury bad news on
                       Friday, and the news he is burying today would be
                       particulary bad for overall public opinion of him.
                       The fact that Titan was one of the overshadowing news
                       items is not really relevant.
                       In fact, I think it is blindingly obvious to sodans
                       that Dubya had little to do with funding or promotion
                       of the Cassini mission, or the date of the Huygens
                       probe entering Titan's atmosphere - the satellite itself
                       was launched 7 years ago.
                       I was hoping by moving the post to another thread,
                       my meaning would become more clear - the other intended
                       effect being you could have a politics-free
                       discussion on this thread.
                       \_ Of course it wasn't Dubya.  It was Al Gore.
                          \_ Al Gore invented Titan.
                       \_ You're an idiot.
                          \_ Show me.  Put your money where your mouth is.
                             To be explicit, your "money" in this case is
                             your time.
                             \_ You are leaving little doubt with comments
                                like these.
                                \_ How do you respond when someone calls you
                                   an idiot?
                                   \_ For god's sake, you're arguing with dim.
                                      Stop feeding him.
                                      \_ I know it's dim.  I guess I'll stop
                                         now, since I think all the arguments
                                         are already out. -jctwu
                                         \_ Why do you hate America?
                                   \_ Amazing. You are a bigger idiot than
                                      I thought.
                           \_ Why bother even replying to an ad hominem attack?
                              \_ Most on soda pride themselves on being
                                 soundly logical, when they want to.
                                 I'm appealing to that aspect.
                                 \_ Someone who can tie Titan to Bush and
                                    then defend that decision is clearly an
                                    idiot. There's no ad hominem here.
                                    Retorts like 'To be explicit, your
                                    "money" in this case is your time.'
                                    further cement his idiocy.
                                    \_ You're an idiot.
                                       \_ I know you are, but what am I?
                                          \_ An idiot?

1/14    I am trying to use DI-604 as a firewall but it comes with zero doc.
        about ipfw rules.  The firewall rules has only one port specification.
        Does it refer to the wan or lan?  Are the rules stateful or static?

1/14    Do you shop for useless things when you are bored?
        \_ No. I just google anything and everything that comes
           into my mind.
        \_ No, I troll the motd.
        \_ http://www.dilbert.com
        \_ No, I go to either porn sites, http://www.howstuffworks.com or
           http://www.wikipedia.org  I found the latter two as addictive as porn
           sites.
           \_ ewww....
        \_ I watch my disk defrag.  Or I fuck.

1/14    Anyone read this book by Linsay Moran, a former CIA agent, about
        her career with the CIA? It's called "Blowing My Cover: My Life
        as a CIA Spy".
        \_ Great.  Now every enemy regime can read this book.
           \_ Her rather short career. Interesting perhaps, but not exactly
              a threat to national security.
                \_ Yeah, it was short. I believe she started in '98, and
                   she probably left at least a year before writing this book.
                   5 years, probably.
           \_ You are an idiot, and idiots threaten our national security.
              \_ You are an idiot, and idiots threaten our national security.
                 \_ How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck....
                 \_ How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck....
                    \_ How much motd would a motd fuck chuck if a motd fuck...
                       could do *anything*?!
                       \_ As much chuck as a motd fuck could fuck if a motd fuck
                          could fuck...
                          *anything*!
              \_ Having self-identified, please report to the nearest citizen
                 recycling post.

1/14    I want the 2 Macs in my home to share files.  Is NFS the fastest and
        most reliable way?  (I heard bad things about AFP.)
        \_ OS X NFS doesn't really work.  What "bad things" did you hear about
           AFP?  -tom
           \_ ssh is broken over AFP, at least if done through the Finder
              \_ just curious, why and how do you do ssh over AFP? - op
           \_ I heard that AFP is slow and broadcast endlessly "i am here, are
              u?"  On the plus side,  probably only AFP can preserve all Apple-
              centric file attributes.  Please correct me if I am wrong.  tnx.
              \_ AppleTalk broadcasts "i am here", AFP does not. You do
                 not need AppleTalk in order to use AFP on OS X. OS X
                 uses a TCP/IP based AFP client/server.
        \_ I use AFP (w/o ssh) btwn my iBook and my G5 on a regular basis.
           It works well even when my iBook connects via Airport. Finder
           might hang a bit when you are copying files to the AFP volume
           and you try to open a folder you don't already have open.
           I wouldn't recommend NFS. Other than no forked file support
           and screwing up finder icons, sometimes NFS will on OS X may
           corrupt files.
           Another possibility is use smb (you can turn on windows file
           sharing in the sharing control panel/preference pane).
           If you just want to mirror files btwn two Macs rsync[_hfs] and
           ssh work pretty well as does cvs.
           \_ Is rsync_hfs related to rsyncX?
              \_ Yes.  rsync_hfs is the patched version of rsync that is
                 the command line core of rsyncX.  Although rsyncX is
                 said to be open source, I was only able to locate the source
                 for rsync_hfs.  Perhaps it is deliberately so.  BTW rsync_hfs
                 supposedly causes data loss if used only on one side.

1/14    [thread deleted, topics separated]

1/14    I want to run imap and pop on a FreeBSD computer.  Can somebody
        recommed which imap suite to use.  For less than 100users in a
        NIS domain.
        \_ Courier is pretty nice. I've been running it on a debian
           server for over a year for pop and imap over ssl.
        \_ cyrus imapd
        \_ I am using Dovecot for imaps and Postfix+TLS for outgoing
           mail.  It's pretty solid, works happily with sasl2, and also
           lets me run regular imap for my SSL openwebmail server.  I would
           be glad to share my configs if you want.  -John
        \_ I've run both Courier and Cyrus.  I ran into problems with Courier
           scaling when there were either a) many users or b) a handful of
           users with large mailboxes (i.e. > 1000 messages).  Cyrus indexes
           its mailboxes so it handles large mailboxes much more gracefully.
           Cyrus is a pain in the ass to install, which is annoying because
           you really want to be running Cyrus 2.2.x and 1.5.x is the only
           version packaged for Debian.  Both Courier and Cyrus work with
           sasl2.  If you decide to run Cyrus, let me know and I can send you
           configs and my messy install notes.
           -dans
           \_ There has been a change of plans.  I managed to port some
              code to my Solaris box and can milk a little more life out
              of it.  Thanks for the feedback.  We now return to our aaron
              and tom lovefest.  -op

1/14    http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/14/inauguration.prayer.ap/index.html
        Ok, now when he wins the Presidency (as if an atheist could), he
        can kick out the holy man. (I'm an atheist but even I found this
        ridiculous)