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2005/1/9 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:35612 Activity:moderate
1/8     Does anybody know if there is a very simple way to see
        what files in a file list DONT have <string> in it.
        I mean sort of like a combination of grep -v and grep -l.
        There are various simple loops foreach $files grep string > /dev/null
        || echo $f or make a copy and grep -l string * | xargs rm and then
        see what is left. But I was looking for a single command or something
        more elegant.
        \_ grep -L ?  -L is right above -l in the man page...
           \_ or just grep -vl.
              \- grep -vl is not right. hmm, i guess -L is a new GNU option
                 not in "grep classic". "new" of course is relative. tnx.
                 \_ grep -vl works on both solarisa and linux.
                    \- it works, but it doenst do the right thing ...
                       for gnu grep running on solaris:
                       moon# ls | wc
                            338     338    2703
                       moon# grep -l XXXX * | wc
                            119     119     785
                       moon# grep -L XXXX * | wc
                            219     219    1918
                       moon# grep -vl XXXX * | wc
                            338     338    2703
2005/1/9 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:35613 Activity:moderate
1/8     The load averages aren't all that high, why is soda responding so
        badly?
        \_ not that high?  2:50PM  up 39 days,  8:54, 120 users,
           load averages: 18.39, 23.74, 21.98
           \_ Not too high for around here anyway.
        \_ What do the load time averages mean?
           \_ Mostly nothing because they depend on too many factors like
              proc speed, etc. Only comparable to themselves through time.
              \_ And even then, different states on the same machine at the
                 same "load" can have totally different discernable slowdown.
              \_ No duh.  I think what he meant was, "How are the numbers
                 calculated?  What do they represent?  Why are there
                 three?"  Which I don't know either.
                 \_ ever read a manpage?  they are 1, 5, and 15 minute
                    averages.  that much is pretty standard across unix
                    systems.  I am not sure that there is any consitency
                    in how they are sampled, however.  what it represents
                    is the number of runnable tasks when the sample was
                    taken, e.g. the number of tasks being considered by
                    the scheduler.
2005/1/9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:35614 Activity:very high
1/8     Why are movie stars mostly liberal democrats?  I thought most people
        with seven figure incomes were ususally republicans.  Doesn't this seem
        odd?
        \_ First, just how "usually" would you expect 7-figure-makers to be
           Republican?  There are large numbers of wealthy people who are
           liberal.  Secondly, acting requires a very empathetic personality.
           People that are drawn to it will tend to have a circle of concern
           well outside themselves, and a curiousity in humanity that
           supercedes the urge to condemn what they don't understand (or simply
           don't like).  Do you know any actors?
           \_ This argument is amusing.  Why does having an empathetic
              personality and having a tendency to curiosity over
              condemnation make one a liberal in the US sense?  Those
              virtues belong to western secular liberalism as a whole.
              The distinguishing characteristic of a US liberal is a certain
              frame of reference that sees government as 'family,' and
              prefers communal decision making at the expense of individual
              wishes.  See Lakoff for more on this.  Anyways, liberals, if
              soda is any indication, condemn what they don't like with far
              more spittle than pretty much any other group. -- ilyas
              \_ You have the definition of the liberal world view from
                 non-liberals.  This discussion will go nowhere.
                 \_ Lakoff is a liberal.  Not a stupid one, either. -- ilyas
              \_ Uhm, huh?  Have you visited freerepublic?  I don't exactly
                 think of that site as 'spittle-free' or even 'spittle-
                 reduced'.  I think this tendency of vocal condemnation has
                 far more to do with people as a whole rather than a single
                 unrealistically simplified political affiliation.    -mice
                 \_ Eh.  Freerepublic people are idiots.  Soda people are
                    Berkeley students or Berkeley graduates.  I hold soda
                    folks to a much higher standard.  -- ilyas
                    \_ "...liberals, if soda is any indication..."  This
                       would seem to imply that you're extrapolating
                       liberal behavior based on the soda population...
                       which you just said you hold to a higher standard,
                       in effect implying (perhaps not correctly, I hope)
                       that you're holding liberals to a higher standard.
                       A system of labels that reduces the political
                       landscape to one of two affiliations doesn't seem to
                       be serving a very useful purpose in this
                       conversation -- esp if you're going to start holding
                       specific segments to variable standards. -mice
                       \_ It's very simple.  I accused liberals of 'spittle.'
                          You countered with freerepublic.  I pointed out
                          that freerepublic are random internet idiots, whereas
                          soda people are Berkeley students/grads.  The cream
                          of the crop, so to speak.  It's not really reasonable
                          to expect a 'better behaved statistical group' among
                          liberals than college grads from such a good school
                          as Berkeley.  So I am extrapolating from this group
                          to liberals as a whole, who, I conclude will likely
                          only be worse than soda people.  Is anything I said
                          unreasonable to you? -- ilyas
                          \_ Some of it, yeah -- but it's the weekend, so I
                             hope you'll not be too hurt if I take my toys
                             and play somewhere else.  Have a decent weekend,
                             ilyas!    -mice
                          \_ The fact that you regard soda members as
                             representative of anything forces me to downgrade
                             my opinion of your intelligence. -ausman
                             \_ My intelligence seems to come up a lot on the
                                motd.  In the interest of avoiding useless
                                repetition, let's just all agree I am an idiot,
                                and move on to other things. -- ilyas
                          \_ Cf. talk radio, the neocons, Safire, Davids Brooks
                             and Horowitz, Orson Scott Card, and Fox News in
                             general for a rebuttal of the spittle comment.
                             \_ DailyKos, DU, Al Franken, etc. on the
                                democrat side.  He's talking about
                                average people.  I'm not saying he's
                                right, but I am saying you're argument
                                misses the point.
                                \_ Good point. Cf. Freeper troll, ChiCom
                                   troll, etc.
        \_ I find white liberal guilt pretty odd too. -- ilyas
        \_ 1) Hollywood is a liberal town, and most actors are stupid. If
           Liberal arguments are the only ones you hear, and your stupidity
           makes you easily influenced, then you'll be liberal, too.
           2) Making millions acting is mostly a matter of luck. They may
           suffer and work hard, but making it big is a matter of luck, and
           is much less correlated with talent than in the business world.
           Hence the guilt and resulting liberal bleeding-heart mentality.
           3) But where does the liberalism originate and renew itself
           from? This may smell racist, but I think it comes from the Jewish
           contingent in Hollywood. The Jewish faith and culture has a long
           tradition of liberal views of peace and justice, and Jews are much
           contingent in Hollywood. The Jooish faith and culture has a long
           tradition of liberal views of peace and justice, and Joos are much
           more likely to retain these values even as they grow older and
           rich. They are also much more likely to be strongly steeped in this
           culture as children, as opposed to WASP and Catholic families.
           Later in Hollywood, among a lot of stupid people, their conviction
           wins out. And it certainly has its merits. But there aren't many
           fundamentalist Christians in Hollywood to compete with their
           "eye-for-an-eye, the poor get what they deserve" mentality.
           \_ 3) doesn't make you a racist, it makes you a moron.  If "exposure\
              to Joos" infects people with liberalism, how come the finance
              industry is so god damn conservative?
           \_ Wow.  Stupidity incarnate.
           \_ such guilt made more sense in the era when blacks had to sit in
              the back of the bus and many whites thought this was a fine idea.
           \_ You don't have to be dumb to embrace a worldview, left or right.
              If you are dumb, however, I'll mock you whichever way you lean.
        \_ One party makes money off the way they make you feel when you watch
           them on the silver screen.
           Another party makes money by dicking you around, and say "suck it
           up, it's America, land of equal opportunity" when you complain.
           What's so surprising?
           \_ I don't understand how they make money in the 2nd part.
              \_ you must be a movie star!
        \_ Much of wall-street and hollywood is leftist because secular
           jews (and higher % gay) wield much power in these areas.
           joos (and higher % gay) wield much power in these areas.
           \_ Next time someone brings up the tired The Left Is Anti-Semite!
              crap I'd suggest they remember this stupidity first.
              \_ The left *is* anti-semite. Jews vote Democratic anyway
                 as a lesser of two evils. On most issues, Jews lean
              \_ The left *is* anti-semite. Joos vote Democratic anyway
                 as a lesser of two evils. On most issues, Joos lean
                 Republican but Republicans won't have them. As for
                 actors, it's because most are not businessmen and as such
                 have no ties to big business. It really is similar to
                 a lottery winner. Most wealthy people are tied to
                 big business and hence are Republican.
                 \_ Care to back up your left = anti-semite claim?  Come on I
                    dare you.  I double dare you.  Oh and neocon = filthy jew
                    dare you.  I double dare you.  Oh and neocon = filthy joo
                    is not backing up your claim, cause that is patently false.
                 \_ God damn it, would you please use that brain of yours to
                    get your mind around the idea that you can be against the
                    Israeli government's handling of the Palestinian issue and
                    not be anti-Zionist or anti-semitic?
               \_ most of the earliest Communists / leftists in USSR and Europe
                  were Jews.  There are historical reasons for this - look them
                  up rather than revealing your ignorance.  "Jews lean
                  were Joos.  There are historical reasons for this - look them
                  up rather than revealing your ignorance.  "Joos lean
                  Republican" ... WTF are you talking about.  Where do you
                  people come from - your knowledge of history is appalling
                  and dangerous.
                  \_ Are you judging by numbers or by influence?  If by numbers
                     then can you back up the 'most' claim?  If by
                     influence, was Vladimir Lenin a joo?  How about any
                     USSR Gensec?  I say you are full of shit. -- ilyas
        \_ Most single digit millionaires are Republican but most wealthier
           people are Democratic. There is an amusing article about f*ck you
           money and how it influences people's politics in a recent issue
           of The Economist.
2005/1/9 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:35615 Activity:kinda low
1/8     With-It Sanford The free-market South Carolina governor.
        http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200406280927.asp
        \_ Now why can't you republicans put guys like this up for national
           office instead of porkbarrelling weasels like Bush or his asshole
           brother?
           \_ Dang if I know, why can't the Dems come up with someone
              better than Hillary, Kerry, or Edwards?
              \_ *sigh*
           \_ because the party is full of RINOs
2005/1/9 [Uncategorized] UID:35616 Activity:nil
1/8     I've found that you can pay $10 or $20 for a trick
2005/1/9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:35617 Activity:high
1/8     Chinese American who spies for US and then arrested for sleeping with
        her handler freed.  Judge accuses presecution of serious misconduct.
        http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-katrina7jan07,1,3939111.story
        \_ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1316268/posts
           \_ Thanks.  It is almost always amusing to read the comments
              by the freepers.  It is also very informative -- not about the
              original article but about the freepers themselves.  They appear
              mostly to be poorly programmed robots.  Despite all their
              mistrust of the government all but one seemed to know for sure
              the fed is right and she is guilty of spying for China.  In fact
              they seem to know the right answer to everything.  If only we
              could have a regime change to put them in power.
        \_ This is an old case....
           http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/894913/posts
           http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/890235/posts
           http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/889352/posts
           http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/889197/posts?page=1,50
           http://www.cis.umassd.edu/~gleung/nacaf/nb9a.html
           \_ But dismissed only now.  BTW, what is the special relevance of
              the pics on the last link? to the case?  Any pics of her is
              evidence of guilt?
2005/1/9 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:35618 Activity:nil
1/8     Death row inmate seeks organ transplant
        http://organtx.org/ethics/prisoners.htm
2005/1/9-10 [Consumer/Audio] UID:35619 Activity:nil
1/8     Does anyone know if the creative MuVo TX FM mp3 player can be
        set to display chinese? thanks.
        \_ http://www.creative.com
           Next time, call them and ask. I did, and they said yes. You may need
           to dl a language pack.
           \_ This is a lot of congecture based largely on Clancy novels
              and watching Hunt for Red October, but I think the difference
              between fishing boat sonar and nuclear sub sonar is that
              fishing boats use active sonar and subs try to stay hidden
              and use passive sonar. With passive sonar, you would rely
              mostly on accurate sea floor maps for navigation. If mis-
              calculate speed, heading, or time then you could be off course
              enough to hit things you are trying to avoid in tight spaces.
              I'm not sure they still use innertial navigation. It definitely
              seems plausible. -saarp
2005/1/9 [Computer/Networking] UID:35620 Activity:high
1/9     Is there some kind of UDP dDoS today?
        \_ ... well, DNS uses UDP doesn't it ...
                \_ Okay then, was there a DNS dDoS today?
2005/1/9-10 [Reference/Languages] UID:35621 Activity:low
1/9     How come some people say "su-na-mi" and some people say "ta-sa-mi"?
        What is the etymology of tsumani?
        \_ Google says it means "harbor wave" ("tsu nami"). I always called it
           a "tidal wave".
        \_ Some people get tripped up on having a word start with "ts." The
           word itself is Japanese from the combination of two kanji:
           tsu (or shin), Unicode 6d25, meaning "haven, port, harbor, ferry"
           nami (or ha), Unicode 6ce2, meaning "waves, billows"
           Some more info is available at the WWWJDIC (Google it), but you'll
           want to have Japanese character support.
        \_ Run "webster tsunami".
        \_ Never ever ever ever heard someone say 'ta-sa-mi'.
2005/1/9-10 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:35622 Activity:nil
1/9     I've noticed that quite a few people will have an email address on
        their resume that says something like
        "firstname<dot>lastname<at>hostname<dot>com".  Is there really any
        point to this?  Are there actually spam programs downloading people's
        resumes in .pdf and .doc format, extracting the email address and
        adding it to spam lists?  Does anyone have any actual evidence that
        this threat is real?  It seems to me that if it is a real threat,
        just putting in a bitmap of your real email address without the
        stupid <dot> and <at> crap would do the same thing in a less annoying
        way.
        \_ Yes, the "threat" is real.  Spammers troll through newsgroups,
           webpages, etc. to gather possible addresses.  And how would you
           suggest putting a bitmap into the From field of a newsgroup
           posting?  Also, many of the later viruses scan all files on the
           infected computer for well-formed email addresses and propogate
           itself with those addresses as a forged from.  There is some
           speculation (and it seems well founded) that these were released
           in the wild as yet another way to skim valid email addresses off
           the net.
           \_ Thank you.  That is useful.  I can see how the <at> stuff would
              be useful for usenet, but I meant that for a resume you could
              embed a bitmap of your email address if it was in .pdf format
              with no loss of visual quality.
2005/1/9-10 [Science/Disaster, Science/Space, Politics] UID:35623 Activity:high
1/9     What does "run aground" mean? -silly sodan
        \_ When a ship or boat goes through water that is not deep enough,
           the bottom of the boat, usually the keel, kits the "ground".
           Typically the boat was moving forward at the time of impact
           and a sudden loss of forward speed produces an uncomfortable
           and a sudden loss of forward speed (lurch) produces an uncomfortable
           sensation at the least, and damage at the most. Depends
           if the bottom is sand or rocks. Big difference..
           \_ Thanks. So does subs have sensors to detect these things?
              \_ The run of the mill sonars you'll find on commercial fishboats
                 give a pretty decent image of the bottom of the ocean, and I'm
                 guessing that a nuclear sub would have something way way
                 better imaging in all directions, not just along the axis
                 of travel of the boat.  Something or someone fucked up, and
                 I'm guessing the real story will not be reported in the news.
        \_ How funny. I thought the same thing when I read the same news article.
              \_ Active sonar maps fairly well.  Subs are often trying to run
                 silent, and active sonar defeats that.  They rely on charing
                 done by surface ships.
                 \_ In sufficiently deep waters there's a certain depth at
                    which sound speed stops decreasing with depth (because of
                    colder water)  and starts increasing (because of increasing
                    pressure).  If you put your sub on the bottom side of this
                    depth it impedes the ability of surface ships to detect you
                    because the change in sound speeds reflects some of your
                    sounds back down.  If you have a ship running silent (with
                    their depth-on-keel gague off) and trying to keep under
                    this fixed depth, you could have a problem if the water is
                    not too deep and there's a charting error.  So... what you
                    said.
           \_ This is a lot of congecture based largely on Clancy novels
              and watching Hunt for Red October, but I think the difference
              between fishing boat sonar and nuclear sub sonar is that
              fishing boats use active sonar and subs try to stay hidden
              and use passive sonar. With passive sonar, you would rely
              mostly on accurate sea floor maps for navigation. If mis-
              calculate speed, heading, or time then you could be off course
              enough to hit things you are trying to avoid in tight spaces.
              I'm not sure they still use innertial navigation. It definitely
              seems plausible. -saarp
              \_ I believe they use high freq sonar for getting through
                 icy regions without giving themselves away.  Perhaps
                 there's something similar they use for keel depth?
        \_ How funny. I thought the same thing when I read the same news
           article.
           \_ what news is this?  -- sodan who get all news from the motd
                \_ I read it on the front page of cnn yesterday.
           \_ Is it something about the South Asia earthquake reshaping seabeds
              because it elevated seafloors and the tsunami moved around ships
              that sank decades ago?
              \- New motto of US submarine fleet: Run silent, Run agound.
                 How did a sailor get killed? ... flung into something by
                 sudden deacceleration?
2005/1/9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:35624 Activity:nil
1/9     I thought I'd post this seperately.  Here is the breakdown of
        the Jooish vote in U.S. presidential elections going back to 1916.
        Hell, even Mondale and McGovern managed to clean up in this demographic.
        http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html
        And in case anyone cares, I'm both a Democrat and a (secular)Joo.
2005/1/9 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:35625 Activity:nil
1/9     Can some of these Fox News idiots be sued in British court
        for calling just about anyone who disagrees with them traitors?
        http://csua.org/u/anb
2005/1/9-11 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:35626 Activity:kinda low
1/9     Why are people so antisocial as to hose soda terribly with
        spamassassin processes?
        \_ what is antisocial about using spamassassin?
           \_ People who don't use spamc, or are runing their own version of
              spamd instead of using the system process.
              \_ I used spamc and stopped when the spamd kept dying.
        \_ Without evil, how would we know good?
           \_ Now that we know who you are, I know who I am. I'm not a mistake.
        \_ Would you please explain how not to be evil?  --PeterM
        \_ From my first moments in aspo's cruel crush of demonic love, I have
           been a slave to evil.
2005/1/9-10 [Computer] UID:35627 Activity:nil
1/9     Where can one buy a 128MB USB 1.1 stick?
        My epia 5000 doesn't seem to boot from my USB 2.0 drive.
        "To increase your chances, a stick which complies to USB 1.1 and not
        USB 2.0 is recommended, since there seem to be some BIOSes out
        there which cannot boot from USB 2.0 media."  http://d-i.pascal.at
        \_ why don't you order one online. they're kinda cheap now.
           \_ Where? I'd like to, but all I can find are USB2.0.
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