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 2005/1/5 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:35546 Activity:nil 1/4 The root drive on my OS X box is getting full. I want to move the fink installation /sw to another volume and then create a symbolic link for this. What can possibly be broken by this?
 2005/1/5 [Politics/Foreign/Europe, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:35547 Activity:high 1/4 Updated govt. aid figures: Australia: $765m Germany:$680m Japan: $500m US:$350m \_ Politicizing disaster relief is sickening. \_ http://www.filibustercartoons.com/archive.php?id=20050105 \_ How much has been given privately? How much does it cost for our carrier group and soldiers to be over there helping? \_ ssshhhh! \_ Sorry, didn't mean to feed the trolls. \_ Yeah, but do the Indonesian people think that way? \_ Who cares?
 2005/1/5 [Computer/Networking] UID:35548 Activity:kinda low 1/5 Has anyone ever got Linux (or any UNIX flavor) to work with a D-Link Airplus Wireless PCI card? \_ Try ndiswrapper. \_ Be more specific about the exact model. Dlink changes things without changing the models. http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz
 2005/1/5 [Uncategorized] UID:35549 Activity:nil 1/5 I ran across the word "ipseity" in a poem, and I'm wondering about the root ipse, which the oed defines as, "truly himself..." for you latin enthusiasts, does this word have an included gender, or is the oed just defaulting to male? Is there an equivalent female or gender neutral pronoun? \_ please. no poem reading here.. unless it's to solve a quest in MUD or something. \_ nm! google says, "ipsa ipsum," although it doesn't have the english "borrow word" connotation of ipse.
 2005/1/5 [Uncategorized] UID:35550 Activity:moderate 1/5 Man, I'm trying to log into bearfacts and it's taking a week. What's up? \_ winter hibernation \_ buh-duh-CHA!
 2005/1/5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:35551 Activity:high 1/4 [WARNING: Libertarian love-fest below] \_ Warning: communist dumbass above \_ thanks for the case in point, false dichotomy, and needless invective \_ What makes you think there was any dichotomy? Or that the invective was needless? Here's another question: which of the following responses are "libertarian love-fests"? Updated govt. aid figures: Australia: $765m Germany:$680m Australia: $810m Germany:$674m Japan: $500m US:$350m \_ Australia's up to $1b now. The bidding is amazing. \_ Politicizing disaster relief is sickening. \_ http://www.filibustercartoons.com/archive.php?id=20050105 \_ What? Isn't Sri Lanka a Buddhist country instead of Muslim? \_ *cringe* Given Sri Lanka's history of "disappearing" rebels and collaborators (i.e., from both sides), the second thought that crossed my mind on hearing of the disaster was "Will either side take advantage of the confusion to get rid of rivals?" The same thought could well be applied to Aceh in Indonesia. \_ Egeland, the UN Humanitarian Chief, calls this "competitive compassion". \_ How much has been given privately? How much does it cost for our carrier group and soldiers to be over there helping? \_ ssshhhh! \_ Sorry, didn't mean to feed the trolls. \_ Yeah, but do the Indonesian people think that way? \_ Who cares? \_ Americans give privately, not through their government. (As it should be.) Why don't you add up the contributions to, say, the International Red Cross by country? \_ Huh, well, personally I believe that forced charity is the only real charity.  2005/1/5-6 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:35552 Activity:high 1/5 Phew! Quit that job just in time! http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050105/transmeta_stock_2.html --lye \_ tell us about transmeta, like was it cool while you were there? is the technology really that cool? what did you work on? \_ The technology is very cool, but it has become a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. The Pentium M essentially makes Transmeta's hardware moot. The amount of engineering labor required to make code morphing really work is immense, and it is the kind of labor that PhDs are not fond of. TMTA is staffed with lots and lots of PhDs. I'm sure you can imagine the sorts of management drama that resulted from that. I myself worked on x86 verification, which essentially meant writing lots of directed tests in x86 assembly that tested thousands of corner cases. In x86, virtually everything is a corner case due to legacy support, especially in floating point. I also wrote and managed random testers. I Learned A Lot, but it was Not Fun. I also learned that Linus Torvalds is a very nice man who drives like a complete maniac. --lye \_ what kind of car did he drive? and is he a nice guy? \_ Yellow Mercedes Benz SLK32 AMG. --lye \_ Did Ditzel go down in flames too? I see that he's making$411K a year, but did he manage to sell his stock in time? \_ Ditzel was well equipped with all manner of golden parachutes. While I was there, he typically unloaded 100s of thousands of shares a month, which he was optioned at a very low price. This is all a matter of public record, I believe. --lye \_ I think this is a very good move, even if they don't make it. The code morphing is very cool, I have always thought this would be a great match for a next generation of high performance chips. A brilliant way to help move away from the aweful x86 ISA. -jwm \- you're an idiot. -tom \_ In case you were wondering, this response has gotten old, at least for me. -- ulysses \_ Someone (probably crebbs or erikred) has decided that it's amusing to post that in my name. I certainly wouldn't use psb's "\-". And I don't think jwm is an idiot. -tom \_ dude, fuck off. What the hell is wrong with you anyway? I didn't post with your username. It seems obvious that erikred didn't either. Nor did I think it amusing when someone did it in the middle of our thread. -crebbs \_ Doh! I should have thought of that. -- ulysses \_ tom, I promise you, I have never nor would I ever post under your name. I have a soft-spot for loveable cranks, so I'm not likely to alter or delete your posts, either. Keep on trucking. --erikred \_ Tom is right on here, although he probably didn't need to resort to insults. Code morphing is "cool," but essentially useless. Is there a word for technolgy like this? Slashdotware? --lye \_ I recently suggested to google scholar that they add an Erdos number calculator. -- ilyas \_ That would fucking rock. Could you post if they respond? I wonder if they would be more likely to do it if they got more requests for it. The only time I sent a suggestion to google(about their calculator) it was totally ignored. \_ What was your suggestion? I might be able to talk to someone who can get it done. \_ I made another suggestion to scholar a while back that got put on a feature list, apparently. -- ilyas \_ I respect your opinion on this because you know a great deal more than I do about this. To me it seems that it could be very useful, and in fact practical in the sense that it could be used to solve real problems. But I am very interested in your take on it as someone with experience. --jwm \_ It's a very long story - but essentially code morphing, no matter how good it is at individual benchmarks, never "feels" like "real" hardware from the native instruction set that you are emulating. Translation time lag always leads to a jerkiness and the feeling that the computer is "shifting gears." This is on top of the fact that getting the translator to do the right thing in all cases while optimizing for performance is extremely hard. --lye \_ Java is the term I use. \_ So what did you work on at Transmeta?
 2005/1/5 [Industry/Jobs, Recreation/Humor] UID:35553 Activity:kinda low 1/5 Need someone to show the parents for the holidays but put off by the stigma attached to hiring a lady of the night? Now there's a service for you: http://csua.org/u/al5 \_ ob hawt bengali potemkin dates for partha \_ HAHAHAHA funny funny, thanks for sharing it. Keep up the funny links!
 2005/1/5 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:35554 Activity:nil 1/5 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143400,00.html Playboy to Unveil iBods (and this is on the Fox News headline, no wonder they're the most watched news regardless of obvious political slant). \_ Fox panders to sex all the time. O'Reilly seems to have particular problems with this (which made the sexual harassment case consistent with his character).
 2005/1/5-6 [Uncategorized] UID:35555 Activity:low 1/5 What is the best open source spreadsheet program on *nix? I tried open offce some time ago and it seemed awful. I don't need fancy features. Just basic functionality, few bugs. tnx \- well there is oleo and various emacs options. \_ What version did you try? OO is functional nowadays with 1.3. meaning no big bugs. It's still soemwhat slow, so not recommended if you're running it on crap machine. \_ sc seems to work for trivial stuff. \_ I use ooffice as in Fedora Core 3 with no problem and good functionality. --PeterM
 2005/1/5-6 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:35556 Activity:kinda low 1/5 WoW players, what are your experiences? Is it soloable at high levels? How does it compare to other games you've played? \_ Come to #wow on screwdriver irc. \_ Come to #wow on screwdriver.CSUA irc. \_ Whether or not it is soloable really depends on class. DONT be a mage if you want to solo! Paladins probably work the best for that. Grouping isn't forced but definitely makes some things easier. Very addictive, very well done, great graphics and artwork. Crafting seems to largely be a waste/hobby. Take up two gathering clases for professions, just for the money. Occasional server problems, but not more than any MMO I've dealt with. -ERic \_ Hunter and warlock are the best solo classes. All classes can solo. \_ My younger brother who plays it really likes the fact that PKing is encouraged. Dying isn't a big deal unlike other games - you don't lose much time and none of your cash or items. And if you don't want to be a PK you can just leave the PK flag off. There's also a challenge/duel option where, at the end of the duel, the two fighters remain alive and retain their original HP. \_ Unless you play on a PvP server, in which case you can't turn off the PvP flag in contested or enemy territory. Also, you don't return to your original HP after duels, but at least you don't die. Anymore. -geordan \_ In conclusion, nerf paladins. -geordan
 2005/1/5-6 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:35557 Activity:high 1/6 I'm trying to compile an album of famous anti-war songs (the ones that have actually made it to the top 100 in the last 50 years) and I have the followings. Please add to the list, thanks for your help: Eve of Destruction - Barry McGuire Fortunate Son - Creedence Clearwater Incense and Peppermints - Strawberry Alarm Clock Universal Soldier - Donovan War - Edwin Starr We Got to Get Out of This Place - Animals What's Going On - Marvin Gaye Where Have All the Flowers Gone - Kingston Trio I Ain't Marching Anymore - Phil Ochs \_ I don't think "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" was an antiwar song. Bob Dylan's most explicit anti-war songs ("Masters of War" and "Blowin' in the Wind") don't seem to have charted, but are famous. "Knockin' on Heavens Door" might qualify, as could Les McCann's "Compared to What." \_ Black Eyed Peas - Where is the Love? \_ Kinky Sex makes the World Go Round - Dead Kennedys \_ Born in the USA - Bruce Springsteen \_ Imagine - Beatles \_ John Lennon \_ Puff the magic dragon. \_ Puff the magic dragon. -lewis \_ http://www.zmag.org/songs/songarchive.htm
 2005/1/5 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:35558 Activity:very high 1/5 Curious, does any of you have problem with Alberto Gonzales' nomination? His memo on terrorism detainees sound a lot like what Hitler said before Germany invaded USSR. Does average peons like us has any means to influence the outcome? \_ Yes. No. \_ No, yes. \_ Yes, Yes. \_ No, No, are we happy now? hahahahaha \_ I am afraid this is a zero-sum game. \_ I have questions to ask. Will you, as attorney general, immolate 80 people including women and children because they happened to stockpile weapons? \_ The idea of Janet Reno carrying a flamethrower is sexy. Will you, as attorney general, order a SWAT team to steal at gunpoint a child who escaped from a Communist totalitarian state, and whose mother died bringing him here? \_ Wow, you really bought into Cuban exile sob story, didn't you? \_ Zaire, Angola, Algeria, Nicaragua, Soviets and Venezuala... \_ Zaire,Angola,Algeria,Nicaragua,Soviets,Venezuala & Cuba... put that in your engine and search it! Yea, an actual understanding of Cuba's geopolitics has made me a real sucker. Will you , as attorney general, distract the nation's law enforcement for political gain with overwrought statements about anti-government militias, while there is a Islamic storm on the horizon? \_ That's right, you want the FBI (domestic) to stop focusing their efforts domestically and instead arrest people outside US. \_ Ok, so you hate Janet Reno. So who was the last non-evil AG? If you say Ashcroft, you are beneath contempt. \_ Gonzales: As long as you allow me to approve the use of torture on Enemy Combatants and hold them as long as I like, I promise not to do any of the above. \_ yea... thank god Reno did not put underwear on the Branch Davidian's or Elian's head!!! \_ Or imprison them indefinitely without counsel. Or attack them with dogs. Or electrocute them. Or whatever else it turns out has happened at Gitmo. \_ barking dogs and having your writ of habeus corpus denied by a federal judge... oh the humanity! \_ And I have one question: Why do you hate America?
 2005/1/5 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:35559 Activity:nil 1/5 Message from Iraq: link:tinyurl.com/48lpn
 2005/1/5 [Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:35560 Activity:nil 1/5 Note: the "message from Iraq" was a propaganda video in Windows Media Player format. I didn't erase your link, but unless you're willing to be honest about the content, expect it to disappear again.
 2005/1/5-6 [Finance/CC] UID:35561 Activity:nil 1/5 Is this site for real? http://www.optoutprescreen.com They say they'll help you opt-out of receiving pre-approved credit card junk mail, but they were registered in August 2004 through GoDaddy. (Not that there's anything wrong with GoDaddy, but it seems weird to give your name and ssn to a site registered through them.) \_ It looks real to me, but if you're not sure, you can always do it by phone. The number 1-888-5-OPTOUT is definitely real (see http://www.experian.com/preapproved_credit/opting_out.html
 2005/1/5 [Uncategorized] UID:35562 Activity:nil 1/5 Message from Iraq: link:tinyurl.com/48lpn Yes this is a propaganda video, but nowadays, what isn't?
 2005/1/5-7 [Computer/SW/OS/Linux, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:35563 Activity:very high 1/5 So who else thinks that Linux Kernel Development has gone haywire? WTF is up with this movement from an 8k to a 4k stack in the kernel that breaks tons of existing drivers that are ported over from Windows? And wtf is this crap doing on production distros like Fedora? Don't they realize that if you're going to have a large install base that you can't arbitrarily do crap like that anymore? \_ I agree that they are lame and have always have been, but Fedora isn't a production distro. That's RHEL. \_ So in other words RH just became even dumber than they used to be by foisting Fedora on the user community and charging for the bugfree version. \_ Fedora is a development platform; that's how it is positioned. If you don't want a development platform, run RHEL, or debian or whatever. It's not being "foisted" on you. -tom \_ No shit sherlock. But the problem is that usually what happens in Fedora is just reflected in RHEL. RH being the dumbass company that it is obviously doesn't do anything like do a real-world usability test on its distro so going from one major release to the next results in all your binaries being broken. Also, a lot of end-user end up using Fedora because they stopped distributing RH, so in effect it is being foisted on the userbase with the said userbase complaining about things being broken. \_ you're a moron. -tom (really) \_ you're tom. -idiot \_ Ouch, now THERE'S a harsh insult. \_ I'm not sure what part you are objecting to, but RH's pricing structure for EL has driven lots of people to use Fedora Core as a production OS. Many times it is hard to justify the added cost of installing EL and a customer choses to deploy FC. You don't really have a choice but to support FC as a application developer. It isn't really practical to tell a customer to install Debian 3.0R3 or something. \_ yeah but the bug free version is GPL also. you can try to use CentOS or one of the other RHEL redistributions. unfortunately they still suck as a consumer OS. actually scientificlinux.org looks interesting. \_ They break drivers all the time anyway as far as I could tell. You're supposed to stick with some old kernel for a long time for actual consumer use. But why would you need drivers for Linux? It's not like you can play games or really do anything anyway. \_ Well, unfortunately since Sun did such a bad job maintaining market share us EDA folks are being forced into Linux. Now we have to do do crap like recompile the kernel just so the stupid display driver works. \_ Yeah I use that stuff at work. As long as other people are responsible for making it all work I don't really care. \_ I compare the adoption of linux by corporate america to the ubiquity of windows. Some mid-level managers and idiot salespeople who thought it gave them cache foisted it upon the world where it went batshit crazy and drove us all insane. \_ I actually prefer Linux to, say, Solaris or HP-UX. It has its limitations, but overall it is cheaper, faster, and easier to maintain in many ways. \_ ditto. -- SUN guy \_ No offense, but Solaris is a far better operating system. Just because for a long time Solaris didnt ship with perl and you have to build you own tcpdump doesnt make it otherwise. If you get involved in the innards of operating systems, this is pretty clear. There are some SysV things that arent ideal, but if you are trying to debug low-level things, it is pretty clear. \_ Not to mention that drivers actually work in Solaris... \_ Linux has far more working drivers than Solaris. Solaris just works on the very limited hardware Sun provides. -tom \_ I work for SUN and I've been fighting on driver issue everyday. And I can tell you flat out that you may think driver works on Solaris, but Linux is the only way to go. People would write Linux drivers, but SUN relys on 150 people in Beijing to crank out those things one by one. As hard as those Chinese monkey works, they can never match the speed which hardware comes up. \_ You must live in some other universe. I work for Sun and we have the hardest time getting drivers to work for even simple stuff like gigE nics (ex E1000 driver on S10 was a nightmare for a long time). And you can forget about AGP in most cases. Some big shots felt AGP was the shits so no support in Solaris. There were several cluster deals we couldn't bid on b/c there was no AGP support in Solaris. \_ hey, would you mind if I contact you? -another SUN guy (id 152093) \_ I think you may be missing the forest for the trees here. How many people spend their time debugging low-level things?'' How many people just want the system to come with a modern version of perl? Once you reach a critical threshold level of stability (which Linux hit some time in 1999 or so) comparing OS internals dick size becomes pointless. \- if you want to say linux is more useful because i can surf my p0rn and play my mpegs "better" that's fine. useful to me != better os design. it's not a matter of how many people do this. it's more like looking to a kernel crash dump tells you a lot about what is under the hood. \_ In the REAL world, most people write applications that run on the OS. I can almost understand that Sun doesn't want to ship MySQL or PostgreSQL w/ Solaris, but WHY IN PARTHA'S NAME did they wait till S9U3 to ship wget in /usr/sfw and S10 to add gcc? I shouldn't have to go to some website to download badly packaged freeware. Every single Linux distro comes with this stuff pre-installed. Oh yeah, instead of chkconfig and isc dhcpd I get svcadm and sun dhcpd which are complete CRAP. Linux has its own problems, but one HUGE advantage of Linux is that you can tell your customers to get RHEL 3 ES or SuSE Pro, install it in server config and then install your software on top of it. The same RPMS every time, in the same location, it makes it easy to test, debug and support. Unlike Solaris where you have to ship all your 3d party pkgs you don't have to worry about keeping up to date with DBI.pm fixes, PostgreSQL security patches, wget vulnerabilites &c. The OS vendor takes care of that so you can concentrate on your app. \_ and for your information, MS Windows hit that threshold by year 2000 with Windows 2000. Despite you may not think that way. \_ \_ I don't. Solaris + Native Sun HW is definitely a lot easier to setup and better integrated than Linux. Solaris x86 on the other hand makes zero sense. Sun HW also used \_ let me tell you something. The biggest mistake SUN ever made was terminate its Solaris x86 program back in 2000. Since then, Linux took off. -SUN guy who is trying to sell Solaris10 everyday. to be quality, of course since the U-Sparc 5/10 days this is no longer true. HP-UX is basically dead, has been since the late 90s. I just think it's really lame that in the year 2004 I have to recompile the stupid kernel to get something like UDMA to work. In some ways, Linux sucks because it's just a rehash of 30 year old tecnology on cheap commodity hardware. I mean, shouldn't there be something better than what's essentially just glorified UNIX? In all the years with Linux I haven't really seen anything that really was groundbreaking in terms of kernel dev. I mean, wtf was Torvaldis smoking when he decided he was too lazy to implement a modular structure to the kernel, and why hasn't this been corrected in the 15 odd years that Linux has been around? \_ What Torvalds was smoking when he decided he was too lazy to implement a modular structure in the kernel: http://csua.org/u/ale You may bitch, but history shows him to be correct. \_ "correct"... Linux has become more modular over time, and other OSes haven't sacrificed their modular design at the altar of Linus. What exactly was he "correct" about? That linux beat minix? Big whoop. \_ Hah, exactly my point. It's like saying that the Chinese had stopped charging families for the bullet they execute prisoners with. Going from the Americans had stopped genociding people for human rights, freedom and democracy. Going from crap to not so crappy isn't exactly innovation. \_ the bigger picture is not about technical superiority. and i was hoping you guys notice that when Windows captured 98% of the OS market while argueably it is the worse major OS on the market right now. \_ No, the point was that Windows 98 was backwards compatible with Windows 95 which was backwards compatible with Windows 3.11, etc. Now Linux version 2.6.6 isn't even fucking compatible with Linnux version 2.6.5. That's progress? \_ Man, this whole thread could be summarised as: OP is upset that Linux community doesn't care about 3rd party drivers, and many CSUAers continue to deride Linux for not being enough like X \in { BSD, Solaris, DomainOS, ... }.
 2005/1/5-6 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:35564 Activity:nil 1/5 Dumb unix question, I'm recieveing an scp from my friend, is there any way for me to get an idea of the file transfer speed? \_ Dumb unix answer: run ls -l on the file repeatedly and guess. Or were you looking for something cooler? \_ Heh, yeah I did that. I was hoping for something cooler, although that did work. :P \_ du -k is cooler. or writing a little perl script to do this and print the speed every n seconds.
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