Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2004:December:17 Friday <Thursday, Saturday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2004/12/17 [Uncategorized] UID:35335 Activity:high
12/16   HAHA Jen was fired.
        \_ Who?
           \_ on The Apprentice.
        \_ HOT.
2004/12/17 [Computer/SW/WWW/Server, Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:35336 Activity:nil
12/16   I've had Apache 1.3.27 installed for several months now. All of a
        sudden, as of two days ago, we're getting random "forbidden" pages
        throughout our site, including our webmail program and front page.
        httpd.conf hasn't been touched in over a month. Any ideas?
        \_ p0wn3d!
           \_ It is fairly likely that your installation has been broken into.
              Why did you install 1.3.27 several months ago?  Current release
              is 1.3.33.  But the most likely problem is with something like
              PHPBB or PHPwebsite; we're seeing many exploits in PHP systems
              on campus right now.  -tom
2004/12/17 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:35337 Activity:nil
12/17   Pretty cool story from Iraq.
2004/12/17 [Reference/Military] UID:35338 Activity:nil
12/17   The army is spending $4B to armor 38000 vehicles.  That's $105k per
        vehicle.  Why on earth does it cost so much?  They're not armoring it
        as tough as a tank.
        \_ Buy armor at rush-production prices, airlift if halfway around the
           world, and pay pork-barrel contractors too much money to install it.
2004/12/17 [Uncategorized] UID:35339 Activity:nil
12/17   She says she's not a l33+ hax0r:
2004/12/17 [Uncategorized] UID:35340 Activity:nil
12/17   Did she say nig* go home? Is she a racist?
2004/12/17 [Uncategorized] UID:35341 Activity:nil 52%like:35352
12/13   John, thank you for sharing those European humour links, I
        love them! Please keep it up, thanks...   -all hail John
        \_ nuked because I have no humor
           \_ and a small penis.
2004/12/17-19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:35342 Activity:high
12/17   For the person who didn't believe me on the armor production,
        do a google news search for "Armor Holdings", the company that
        supplies the armoring for those vehicles.  After Rummy said his
        "It's a matter of physics", they came out and said "We can boost
        production by 22% with no extra investment, but we haven't heard
        anything from the military about doing so."  Fuck you. You're
        apologizing for people who truly do not support our troups.
        \_ Uhm, if you knew anything armor you'd realize that you typically
           don't get something for nothing. Sure, you can put more armor
           on a vehicle, but the vehicle gets heavier, uses more gas,
           and is less manueverable. Anyway, the world isn't perfect,
           neither is the U.S. Army. There are tradeoffs. Deal with it.
                \_ Um, are you Rumsfeld? That was the biggest non-answer
                   on this thread.
        \_ 1000 fatalities isn't enough to make the American public
           care.  How many people on here actually know someone
           who died in Iraq?
           \_ Again, fuck you.  --scotsman (i know two.)
                \_ with how many degrees of separation?
                   \_ Seriously.  Fuck you.
                     \_ why do you hate America?
           \_ I don't actually know any black people who have been
              lynched either.  Or Jews killed by the Nazis.
              \_ I know people who have lost family members to the Nazis.
                 I would have to be pretty freakin old to actually know
                 someone who was killed before 1945.
                 \_ So you get the point then?
                    \_ That in 60 years no one will be left to remember
                       what a dumbass Bush was? We will have history books
                       to remind us. And oh, look! Their children will
                       still be around to remind people of the stupidity
                       of starting a war for no good reason:
                       \_ That's the point!  You don't have to personally
                          know someone that was effected to care about it.
        \_ I didn't believe YOUR ASSERTION dumbass.  I still haven't seen any
           sourcing for your claim.  Do you believe everything everyone tells
           you without question?
           \_ What claim?  Isn't it enough that Rumsfeld was pretty directly
              grilled by a bunch of combat troops about why they're not
              getting enough armor?  With 1,000+ fatalities, you'd think the
              military-industrial complex would go into overdrive.  I don't
              care if the war is right or wrong, it's being run by a bunch of
              sad amateurs.  -John
              \_ John, don't be a fucking moron. ~1100 fatalities in 1.5 years
                 of combat is nothing. In order to achieve the same numbers
                 that we lost in 'Nam we'd have to fight for 50 years, five
                 times longer than 'Nam. 1100 fatalities equals about 1% of
                 our ground forces in Iraq. That's like a fucking unheard of
                 fatality rate for a war. If it WERE run by morons like JFK
                 and LBJ in 'Nam, we'd have 10000+ casualties by now.
                 \_ I wrote a long rant in response to this, but deleted it,
                    as it's pointless to clog the motd with basic historical
                    concepts.  You can look it up in the archive if you want.
                    Upshot:  You are completely off, your premises are wrong,
                    your Vietnam comparison is a straw man, and I encourage
                    you to go to the Cal ROTC office and ask any of their
                    (generally) very friendly military history instructors to
                    explain why you are wrong--they'll probably lay out more
                    eloquently and succinctly your fallacies.  You're at Cal,
                    dialectical process and all that.  And kindly have the
                    courtesy to sign your name if you insult me.  -John
              \_ 'sad amateurs'?  I think you mean 'politicians'
                 \_ Wolfowitz has never been elected, and Rumsfeld was last in
                    office in '69.  They're the NeoCon version of Ivory Tower
                    professors, and their experiment has resulted in the
                    the current Mess-O'Potamia.
                    \_ But that's kind of my point-o-potamia, isn't it?
                       \_ If you're making some comparison between the two,
                          I'd agree.  If you're saying they're not sad
                          amateurs, I'd have to ask you to step outside for
                          reeducation by fisticuffs.
           \_ What part of SEARCH ON FUCKING GOOGLE do you NOT UNDERSTAND. It's
              been reported by the entire media.  Fuck you.
              \_ I did a search, first few links I clicked on didn't have any
                 info.  Do you understand the difference between  SEARCH ON
                 GOOGLE and a fucking source you dumbfuck?!?
                 \_ Boy, you're angry.  Read below.  -John
                    \_ I'm irritated when someone makes an inflammatory claim
                       and backs it up with "stfw".  My answer is a big fat
                       FUCK YOU.  If you don't think it's worth your time to
                       source your claims, it's not worth mine to take them
                       \_ Sourced below.  Put up or shut up.
                       \_ I'm annoyed with both of you.  Yeah, he should've
                          put up a link, but you should have looked harder.
                          Two wrongs don't make a right, even on the motd.
           \_ God, you're both lazy pricks.  Here's a recent Bloomberg article:
      Here's a Google Cache of the original
        \_ You know, I'm having a hard time actually finding the full text for
           Rumsfeld's response.  I wonder why that is?  You do know that the
           vehicle supplier is only part of the chain, right?
           \_ Yes, the supplier is part of the chain.  I would argue they
              are the start of the chain.  They were never asked to increase
              production, even when they had told the pentagon they could.
              That's a military leadership failure.
              \_ No, that may mean that the rest of the chain can't handle
                 faster production.
                 \_ They are _the single provider_ of up-armored humvees
                    according to the article.  They say they could increase
                    production immediately with no new investment.  You're
                    being unreasonably apologistic.
                    \_ So you're saying there's no limit on transport and
                       deployment?  Apparently the rest of the supply chain is
                       handled by Santa Claus.
                       \_ This is before transport.  They didn't set anything
                          in motion.  They failed.
                          \_ If the rest of the chain couldn't handle that
                             supply it would be pointless to "set anything
                             in motion" you moron.  They'd just be humvees
                             sitting in a warehouse in the states.
                       \_ "It's a matter of production and capability of doing
                           it." SecDef apparently disagrees with you, soldier.
              \_ This is called 'passing the buck'. It's like when your
                 boss asks you why something isn't done that should've
                 been done by now and you blame someone else, even though
                 you could've done your part of the job without that
                 person having done theirs. This company is trying to
                 avoid taking blame by saying 'We weren't specifically
                 asked!'. I am sure they were not going out of their way
                 to tell the military they could produce more for free.
                 \_ Uhh, why wouldn't they want to produce more?  They
                    get paid by the piece sold you know.
                    \_ I guess you've never worked in/for government.
                 \_ "I've told the customer that and I stand ready to do that."
                    This is just not your day for reading, is it?
                    \_ What do you expect them to say? Don't take
                       everything at face value. I am not saying the
                       company should produce more when it is not asked
                       to, but they are painting it to make themselves
                       look better.
                       \_ To look better to whom? Apart from you, who's calling
                          them liars?  Not the military, and they're the ones
                          who would gain most from being able to pin this
                          on the company. Face it, SecDef dropped the ball.
                          No amount of signed letters is going to fix that.
              Also of note, Rumsfeld was asked basically the same question
              8 months ago at a similar town-hall meeting.  He bullshat on
              them then, and did so again.
              (Oops.  It was general meyers who took the question.)
              \_ Huh? Wha?  meyers is in this thread?  Uh oh -- time to ilyas
                 \_ No, it was General Myers.  -meyers, no relation
                    \_ Hi, you are both dipshits.  Have a good weekend.
                         -- ilyas
2004/12/17-19 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:35343 Activity:high
12/17   I am doing some simple subtraction on perl, and its generating
        output like 8.39999999999998, how do I fix this? Thanks.
        \_ Omg.  I can't believe people ask this shit.  Did you graduate
           from Cal with a CS degree?  You are a fucking disgrace.
           \_ There are a significant number of non-CS majors here.
              \_ There IS a significant number.  Fucking disgraces, all
                 of you.  Ugh.  Go die.
                 \_ Wrong, dumbass. "A number of ___" is a plural noun.
                    "Are" is correct.  Fucking disgrace.
           \_ Agreed.
        \_ you fix it by giving us example code or int($num + .5)
           \_ I am doing something very simple, reading some numbers into
              a variable, and subtract them. in my case, the number is
              595 - 586.84, which should give me 8.16, but perl output
              8.15999999999997, I need 8.16.... thanks...
              \_ Like the poster below said, numbers like 8.16 can't be
                 represented exactly in binary, so you'll always get some
                 error.  You can use $num = sprintf("%.2f", $num) to force
                 $num to have exactly two digits after the decimal point --
                 this also means that 8.5 will become 8.50, which is usually
                 what you want if you're dealing with money.
              \_ And what is the precise binary representation of .84 pray
        \_ Math::BigFloat
        \_ If there's a specific precision you want, use fixed-point math or
2004/12/17 [Uncategorized] UID:35344 Activity:nil 71%like:35347
12/17   Does Jen on The Apprentice have ample bosom?  I can't find any pics of
        her below the neck.
2004/12/17-19 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:35345 Activity:nil
12/17   Has anybody here upgraded to PHP 5.0.3? I'm getting started with
        XML and the SimpleXML extension looks great. Wondering if it's
        time to upgrade. says PHP 5 is experimental.
        Any idea how stable/unstable that would be?
2004/12/17-19 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:35346 Activity:low
12/17   Ok, another Mac question.  Does anyone know where the equivelent
        of lives in OSX?
        \_ probably nowhere, until you install Python.
         \_ python comes standard in osx
        \_ Is it possible that it's not compiled as a shared lib by default?
           There's a lot of stuff in:
           but I don't really understand frameworks, so I'm not sure how
           helpful that is.    -sax
        \_ any csua'ers work for apple?
                \_ I do.
2004/12/17-19 [Reference/Military] UID:35347 Activity:low 71%like:35344
12/17   Does Jen on The Apprentice have maple booms?  I can't find any pics of
        her below the neck.
        \_ yes, they talked about her using her guns to her advantage.
           \_ What guns?
              \- The Guns of August
        \_ maple?
           \_ It's an edit.  It probably read 'ample boobs' or something before
              some twit edited it.
                \_ ha. thanks. -pp
2004/12/17-19 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:35348 Activity:low
12/17   Is there a way in WinXP to make it re-scan the USB bus to notice a
        hard drive that was already attatched at boot time?  Restarting or
        replugging the hard drive works, but it's not automatable and is
        therefore inelegant.
        \_ Open your device manager and click the icon on the toolbar to
           rescan devices.  WinXP rescans all hardware and finds your
           stuff.  - jvarga
        \_ AFAIK no, there is no way. The only "way" is to disable and then
           re-enable the USB interface through device manager, which is the
           software equivalent of restarting or replugging in the drive.
           If you do this a lot then you might want to do it this way since
           the USB port does wear out.
           \_ Not to dispute your claim (more out of shock really), but XP
              doesn't scan the bus at (or soon after) bootup?  That sounds
              extremely strange- does anybody know any justification for this
              \_ Normal startup, yes.  After a hard crash, no.
2004/12/17-20 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:35349 Activity:kinda low
12/17   Hey ASIC designers. What are some good drawing tools out there
        to do documentation stuff? This is for things like drawing
        waveforms, block diagrams, boolean gates, transistor symbols.
        Something on a non-Windows platform would be preferable.
        \_ Illustrator?
        \_ OmniGraffle on MacOSX
           \_ I've noticed that drawings copied-and-pasted from Omni
              into Word end up rasterized instead of preserving their
              vector format.
              \_ xfig on any unix.  export to CGM and import to
                 MS Office to retain vector format.  export to EPS
                 and include in latex docs.  learn its quirks and
                 never look back.
              \_ Try File->Export and then choose PDF Vector or EPS
                 and then try using Insert->Picture->From File in
        \_ /usr/local/bin/cowsay
        \_ Everybody seems to use Visio.
        \_ Microsoft paint
        \_ Synapticad is hands down the best for timing diagrams.  Bloody
           expensive for what it does, though.
        \_ brlcad.
        \_ xfig
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