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| 2004/12/13 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:35256 Activity:high |
12/13 You probably won't see this on Fox News.
The thing that really caught my eye was the 5,000 deserters:
http://csua.org/u/aao
\_ Their source .. _C_BS News. About as reliable as the female condom
\_ Source = Pentagon
\_ "Dan Felushko, a 24-year-old marine, told the CBS program 60
Minutes this week that he left Camp Pendleton, Calif., and
came to Canada rather than Kuwait, because he felt it would
have been wrong to fight.
"I didn't want, you know, `died deluded in Iraq' over my
gravestone," he said.
According to the CBS program, some 5,000 American men and
women have deserted the military since the war began. They are
largely accused of cowardice back home, but they say they are
acting out of conscience."
Source looks like 60 minutes to me. Not exactly reliable or
agenda-free.
\_ Do you think "agenda-free" news even exists anymore? Just
curious.
\_ Hello. I think pp is probably a typical republican
jive ass motherfucker, but this is the agenda free
news:
http://www.cspan.org
\_ CSPAN IS COMMUNIST PINKO GARBAGE!!!1!!1 YOU CAN
TELL BECAUSE IT'S NON-PROFIT AND RUNS ON
GOVERNMENT MONEY!!!!!11!!
\_ The only talking head I've seen that I believe is
unbiased is Tim Russert. No one else.
\_ You've got your blinders on firm. If you had said
Aaron Brown, you might have had something here.
\_ Is that why he was so easy on GWB?
\_ why are they unhappy? Would they be happier with MP-40 or MP-44? |
| 2004/12/13-14 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:35257 Activity:nil |
12/23 To the guy who got FreeBSD or Linux kernel 2.6.6 running on an X40,
I'd love to see your config if you'll share. -John
\_ mee too. and John, do you have X31? I am thinking about
buying X31 instead of X40. kngharv
\_ Yes. I am told the X40 is not made as well. X31 is very good
quality and a fine laptop; both FreeBSD 5.3-R and Linux 2.6.6
have some hardware issues, but I think this is model-dependent
and should be resolved in the next few releases of either OS.
Mail me for details. -John |
| 2004/12/13 [Uncategorized] UID:35258 Activity:nil |
12/13 Salon has an excellent interview with Joel On Software; it's also a
nice collection of links to some of the best advice Joel has to offer.
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2004/12/09/spolsky |
| 2004/12/13 [Computer/Companies/Apple] UID:35259 Activity:nil |
12/13 http://www.americanangst.com/dingfries.html \_ Plug your headphones in / turn down your speakers though. \_ Wow! Stupid AND boring! |
| 2004/12/13 [Science/Space, Consumer/TV] UID:35260 Activity:high |
12/13 So I called this girl and she told me something that was
very different than the other girls-- kind, unambiguous,
yet effective. She told me that she was very busy feeding
her goldfish and she couldn't go out with me. Now I'm wondering
what some of the cool rejection lines you losers have to share?
\_ Tell her to go fuck herself. If she can't give you an honest
answer, she's a total bitch.
\_ Laurie Anderson had an idea to turn Gravity's Rainbow into an
opera; she asked Thomas Pynchon for the rights, and he told her
she could do it on one condition: the only musical instrument
allowed would be the banjo. -tom
\_ She missed an awesome oppertunity.
\_ "You're too good for me."
\_ what does this mean?
\_ you're not good enough for her.
\_ Not a dating thing, but while I was on my mission, a guy told
me he was "too busy to meet us." He was watching people play
starcraft on TV at the time. -jrleek
\_ the only good missionaries are the female ones that enjoy
the missionary position.
\_ No offense, jrleek, but unless I'm truly bored and aching for a
theological fight, I will always be too busy to meet with
missionaries.
\_ On my mission I actually shook hands and thanked people who
simply told me "not interested" instead of giving a lame
excuse, giving me a time when they wouldn't be home, or simply
not answering the door when I arrived when they asked me to.
-emarkp
\_ it is my right to give you a lame excuse if i don't
want to talk to you. i'm sure missionaries have
thick skins or they wont be missionaries for very long.
\_ "It's my right to lie because you're used to being
lied to." -GWB
\_ I wish all missionaries were that polite. I've actually
had to close the door on a couple guys on their mission
because they wouldn't leave after the 3rd time I told them
'not interested' -- in very polite and clear terms. It's
people like that that make it so much easier to be rude
using the dodges you mention rather than risk having to be
even ruder by just closing the door in midsentence.
\_ Yes, I think anyone going door-to-door (which I actually
did very rarely) needs to be extremely polite, and then
people answering the door need to be honest, and then
brutally honest if necessary. -emarkp
\_ No, you don't want to meet with missionaries. Which is
fine, if you don't want to meet with me, I don't want to
meet with you. I don't get off on wasting my time. It's
just funny to claim you're "too busy" while watching
StarCraft on TV. -jrleek
\_ Hey what channel is StarCraft on TV? I'd totally want to
watch that. I think I've flaked on my friends bc I was
busy watching the crazy knife selling guy on QVC.
\_ It's a Korean thing. They have pro-StarCraft
players and a cable channel dedicated to playing
video games. (Which is most StarCraft, at least it
was when I was there 2 years ago, and the Koreans
are still into StarCradt AFAIK) -jrleek
\_ I first read that not as a typo, but as a joke on the
way a lot of asians pronounce 'Sta-Ku-Raf'
\_ When they come to my door, I usually tell them to get lost
in no uncertain terms, and demand that they never come to
my door again. If they question, I tell them *exactly*
where they can stick the whole concept of organized
religion. Which do you prefer?
\_ But you can learn good positions from missionaries.
\_ "I'm already dating your other girlfriend." |
| 2004/12/13 [Reference/Religion] UID:35261 Activity:moderate |
12/13 there sure are a lot of mormons on the motd. how many?
\_ mormon: .
\_ I think there are only 2. emarkp and jrleek
\_ And I married jrleek's sister. -emarkp
\_ What about the # of morons on the motd?
\_ moron: .
\_ I think there are at least 2. emarkp and jrleek |
| 2004/12/13 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Ilyas] UID:35262 Activity:very high |
12/13 I didn't post the Fox link but I'm very upset that it got nuked
so quickly. Dear nuker, I will give you ONE last warning before
another 5 day nuke war. No more deletion or complete nuke.
\_ could someone please figure out who this cocksucker is so we
can get someone to sorry him? or if politburo doesn't care to
can get him sorried? or if politburo doesn't care to
at least ddos attack his server and slash his tires?
by "this cocksucker" i mean op here.
\_ Likely dgies, but he just needs to chill out. I don't see
how squishing him would affect anything
\_ The assumption that there's only one person is wrong.
\_ I was speaking to "who is the op"
\_ Haven't you heard? Only _I_ nuke, and I certainly won't nuke
Fox because it fits my heartless libertarian agenda. It's
pretty obvious you've hallucinated the whole thing. -- ilyas
\_ i am too busy feeding my goldfish to properly respond to this
\_ omgwtfbbq!
\_ IC,NP!
\_ Amusing that you are on your high horse about this, but are not
concerned about the nuking of the very busy link to the story
about the 5,000 American deserters. You are a tool. |
| 2004/12/13 [Recreation/Food] UID:35263 Activity:moderate |
12/13 Which is the best beef for making roast beef sandwiches? Top round?
Cross-rib? Others?
\_ Ask a butcher.
\_ Whatever you get, make sure it's dark pink/red. If it's any
other color it's probably not fresh. -John
\_ Ah, some heavy googling shows the best is a 'round tip' roast,
unless you want to spend serious $$ for prime rib or something
extravagant. -OP |
| 2004/12/13 [Uncategorized] UID:35264 Activity:nil |
12/13 Dear Missionaries who wouldn't go away, would you prefer
being pointed with MP-40 or MP-44? |
| 2004/12/13-14 [Reference/Law/Court, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:35265 Activity:high |
12/13 REDWOOD CITY, Calif. -- A jury today recommended that 32-year-old
Scott Peterson should be executed for the murder of his wife when she
was eight months pregnant with their first child.
\_ obTurnOffFoxNews
\_ So does anyone thing he actually didn't do it? I don't care if you
think he should have been acquited.
\_ He is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. He didn't testify, with
everything that happened.
\_ I think it would be a bad idea to testify. Having had the
affair and all the stupid shit he did after Laci disappeared,
the prosecution could have made him look very bad on the stand
\_ Not to disagree with you, but do you remember him ever
having stood up and said, "I had an affair but I didn't,
honest to God, kill Laci".
\_ No, but he wouldn't have to testify in court to say that
\_ Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? Based on circumstantial
evidence? Look, I think he did it, too, but the trial's
been a horrible miscarriage of proper judicial procedure.
The lesson for you would-be murderers out there: don't be so
damn public about it all.
\_ A lot of murder cases are circumstantial. It's actually
rare thet you have an eyewitness or incontravertable
physical evidence. 'Beyond a reasonable doubt' means just
that: That any doubts in the case are unreasonable. The
defence theory was that some strangers would kidnap a woman
walking a golden retriever in broad daylight, and then go
to the trouble of driving her body 100 miles away to frame
the husband, yet also attempt to keep the body sunken.
That strikes me as not very reasonable.
\_ The burden of proof was on the prosecution, not the
defense. Given that the prosecution's case seemed to
be, well, he could have done it, there seem to be plenty
of reasonable doubts.
\_ Certainly the defense does not have to prove their
case, but they must offer an alternative explanation
for the evidence that is at least plausible. I saw
no plausible explanation for the evidence other than
the one the jury believed.
\_ Ah, I've been thinking that it might be framining, until
you mentioned the "yet also attempt to keep the body
sunken" part.
\_ Kidnappings of strangers are rare.
Kidnappings in broad daylight are rare.
Kidnappings of someone with a large dog are rare.
Framings are rare.
\_ Married men killing their expectant wives are
rare. What's your point here?
\_ Even if he didn't do it, his actions after his wife's death
were so stupid that he probably deserves to die.
\_ Scott should have tried to relocate to Los Angeles with the
mostly sympathetic and uneducated jury. "Dear homies, senors, y
senoras, que fish baits don't hook, you must acquit!!!"
\_ help also if Peterson were a famous/heroic football
legend who won the Heisenfuck award.
\_ Or if he's African American.
\_ racist!!!
\_ I'm still looking for the Real Killer with every round
of golf I play!
\_ Yeah, clearly the problem with the criminal justice system
in this country is that blacks have it too easy.
\_ For cases under the media spotlight, it seems so.
\_ That's why I don't agree with the Jury system. In this country
we leave the jobs to the professionals. But like everything that's
set in stone, it's hard to change.
\_ the problem is not the Jury system, but the African
Americans in the Jury system.
\_ If you're going to say something blatantly racist, why
use politically correct language to do it?
\_ Most Napoleonic/continental European justice systems rely
on cases handled exclusively by professionals (i.e. judicial
panels--the more serious the case, the more judges.) It works
more often than not, leading to fairly common-sense verdicts,
but has resulted in some pretty horrendous travesties. Does
this sound familiar at all? -John
\_ Has anyone done a comparison between these systems?
I am sure you can find bad examples in each, but I would
trust professionals more than a bunch of idiots. Yeah,
sure, a stupid guy smoking with cancer deserves some
billions of dollars, give me a break.
\_ These are the idiot examples of US justice. Someone did
a study a while ago comparing US handling of, say,
corporate responsibility vs. European--their findings
were that the Euros do a nanny act up front, with tons
of regulations, while the Americans rely on the threat
of lawsuits after the fact to keep companies in line.
The upshot? While it's possible for an cretin to
disavow personal responsibility in the US and go for an
insane payout, the average Joe also tends to have far
easier access to the law. I'm not claming either system
is better, but it's something to think about before
completely discounting common/English law as a
defective system. -John
\_ You forget that there are now multiple efforts
underway to reduce or remove people's ability to
sue companies. -tom
\_ The biggest problem IMO is the large number of CSI-style
programs that people watch and the increasing legalese invading
normal culture.
\_ The punishment is death... by Unga Bunga! |
| 2004/12/13-14 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Ilyas, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:35266 Activity:high |
12/13 How come education institutions are often filled with left-wing
radicals? Why don't you see right-wing nuts in universities?
\_ Because right wing nutjob busy learn proper grammer usage and
sentence structure stead of go education institution. -John
\_ It's simple, right-leaners know the big bucks are in private
industry, not academia. are you a troll or stupid? - danh
\_ Apparently you don't go to enough frat parties. There are
more than a few right-wingers out there. BTW, BCR was supposedly
the biggest ASUC funded group on campus. Also, have you ever
noticed the number of churches around campus?
\_ Huh? I'm fairly sure he means "working in educational
institutions" not attending them.
\_ What on earth would make you think one way or the other
from the original statement? Do you usually infer this
much from limited information? Anyway, most of the
professors in universities in the more technical
areas are rather neutral. Professors in biz schools
tend to be centrists or right of center. The left-wing
"nuts" are usually within the public policy humanities
with the rest of the humanities leaning heavily left.
\_ This observation is anecdotal at best.
\_ Which part do you think is wrong? (Keeping in mind
pp probably meant this 'on average', not in reference
to any given person). -- ilyas
\_ That would really depend on what you mean by "radical"
\_ Because they are not Mac.
\_ because right wingers don't go into education
\_ right wingers get kicked out because they aren't Mac
\_ Nazi skinheads don't make it out of high school. |
| 2004/12/13 [Health/Eyes] UID:35267 Activity:low |
12/13 Miss Plastic Surgery Pageant http://tinyurl.com/527pn \_ Or is it Miss Alien Pageant? http://csua.org/u/ab3 |
| 2004/12/13-14 [Consumer/CellPhone] UID:35268 Activity:low |
12/13 Motorola V220 vs. Nokia 3120 ... any recommedations?
\_ Nokia over Motorola any day. Motorola crashes a lot (software)
and the GUI is very clumsy (need to press a lot of buttons to
get something done).
\_ If you intend to use bluetooth on the thing, do some research.
Several Nokia models (6310 among them) have ass-quality bluetooth.
A Finnish colleague, whose wife works at Nokia, says to watch
out for the 6670, if it's not already out. -John |
| 2004/12/13 [Uncategorized] UID:35269 Activity:nil |
12/13 Does anyone know the address to the xclones mailing list? |
| 2004/12/13-14 [Recreation/Dating] UID:35270 Activity:low |
12/13 Anybody like a particular in-call escort who is east bay local?
\_ off topic but somewhat related: http://www.postmoderncourtesan.com
is an excellent blog written by a NY callgirl. --darin
\_ Thanks. Diary of a Manhattan Call Girl is similar, though
Post Modern Courtesan here seems like somebody with more depth.
I have this theory that the world of escorts is a place where
one can see the unfettered market at work since it is a mostly
invisible world to the part of society that attempts to
regulate.
\) site didnt work.
\_ fixed -darin |
| 2004/12/13-14 [Health/Eyes] UID:35271 Activity:nil |
12/13 I wear Acuvue 2 and it's pretty nice. Is the new Acuvue Advance
worth trying? Has anyone tried it? What are the differences? |
| 2004/12/13-14 [Computer/SW/Database] UID:35272 Activity:high |
12/13 Any PeopleSoft/Oracle insiders care to comment on what's going to
happen next? -bored procrastinator
\_ you're fired!
\_ someone please give me a 411 on what this whole thing is about?
I don't know anything about Oracle/PeopleSoft, but I'd like to
learn more about it. Does it have something to do with anti-trust
law or something?
\_ Oracle: Biggest database company, with smaller CRM software
business, headed by egotistical fucktard. After raising their
offer 4 times and launching a legal challenge to Peoplesoft's
(questionable) tactics to fight the takeover, has bought
Peoplesoft, which is arguably the leading CRM software vendor.
Previously they stated they wanted to move all Peoplesoft
customers over to Oracle databases. Peoplesoft's now-fired CEO
said more-or-less: "If it's as if someone offered you a million
bucks to buy your beloved pet dog so they could shoot it."
Many layoffs at Peoplesoft are expected, but not until they help
with the changeover. -works for neither
\_ Said egotistical fucktard replied with something like "If
Conway (ex-CEO) and his dog were standing next to each other
and I only had one bullet, trust me, it wouldn't be for
the dog." Say what you will about Larry Ellison, he does
produce good sound bytes.
\_ yoyo, word man!
\_ I think read somewhere ellison vowed to convert every peoplesoft
customer to using oracle, then firing every single
peoplesoft employee. - danh
\_ Have you been hanging around too many fobs, dan? |
| 2004/12/13 [Reference/Law/Court] UID:35273 Activity:nil |
12/13 Whoa, I just heard the interview with the 3 jurors in the Peterson
case. Unlike the "dude man you gotta acquit OJ" jurors in the OJ
case, the Peterson jurors actually seem coherent and semi-intelligent. |
| 2004/12/13-14 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:35274 Activity:nil |
12/13 Say you have a background process currently running and spewing output
to stdout under tcsh. Is it possible to redirect the output to another
(file) location without killing and restarting the process? thnx.
\_ This worked on freebsd for me. Stop the process (^Z) then:
# tty
/dev/ttyN2
(in another session):
# cat /dev/ttyN2 > output
(in the first session):
# fg
Then when you want to stop this "logging", send an EOF to the first
session. YMMV --scotsman |
| 2004/12/13-14 [Uncategorized] UID:35275 Activity:kinda low |
12/13 does anyone know how much ikea charges for a tin of gingersnaps?
i have a bet (for 10 tins) with someone about the cost. it's an
under/over $5 bet.
\_ Call them and ask?
\_ Maybe op's bet is really about the perceptions of IKEA prices
by Berkeley CS alumni. Or maybe he's just a dumbass. |
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