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2004/11/16-28 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Kinney, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:34912 Activity:nil
11/14   The EECS network was down for nearly a day, but it's back now.
        Please let us know if anything is still broken.
        \_ yes, the politburo is broken. For the past 5 years, the
           politburo has failed to permanently squish a single person.
           It has failed to squish people who mess with the motd
           (ilyas), people who repeatedly use scripts to automatically
           censor words (emarkp), people who spread dangerous
           trolls (kinney), and people who fingered the CSUA network
           to death (kchang). Please fix the politburo, thanks.
           \_ I will gladly go, if every single fucker who messes
              with the motd goes with me.  Otherwise, up yours. -- ilyas
              \_ OK, it's a deal.  Get lost.
           \_ You're a lamer.  Just thought you'd like to know.
           \_ I thought emarkp used a script to read the motd, not edit it
              directly?
              \_ I believe you are correct.
           \_ I am going to lobby that the politburo squish people
              who use the motd to anonymously criticize the politburo.
              \_ I am going to lobby to kick your ass.
2004/11/16 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34913 Activity:very high
11/15   I've read the Republicans in Congress will repeal the 22nd
        Amendment so Bush can run again in 2008.  What do you guys think?
        \_ I think, "troll".
        \_ I think 55 < 66.
        \_ Bill Clinton vs Bush.  Gee, who do you think would win?
           \_ Well let's see. In 1992 Clinton got about 43% of the popular
              vote. In 1996 he got 49%...
2004/11/16 [Uncategorized] UID:34914 Activity:low
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        \_ I'm sorry, did I break the ribbon on your teletype?
2004/11/16 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:34915 Activity:insanely high
o11/16  Poll: Which one of the three would you choose to be the president?
        (Let's say there's no other choice, e.g. from the Democrats.)
        Bush   .. :
        Powell    : .......
        Rice      :
        !Bush: .
        \_ I'd have taken Powell over Kerry.
           \_ Despite my Democratic Party reg., I would've voted for Powell
              before his Sec. of State gig, where he proved himself
              spineless. Now that he's lame-ducked, I hope he visits Cheney's
              office just to deck him.
              \_ I kinda agree with you.
        \_ Bush:Evil, Rice:Willing tool of evil, Powell:reluctant tool of evil
        \_ What a silly question. EVERYONE wants to elect Powell.  The
           problem is, he's never going to run.  You might as well wish
           for FDR back.
           \_ Really?  Did he actually say he won't run in the future?
              \_ Yeah, back in '97/98.  I believe he mentioned his wife being
                 concerned about him being the target of assassination attempts
                 (KKK types moreso than run of the mill terrorists/lone nuts).
                 \_ I hear she suffers from various stress related
                    problems.  Being the first lady does not help this.
                    \_ Okay, let's wait till she passes away first.
        \_ Actually, there's another interesting problem with Powell,
           Arabs are famously racist against blacks.  I wonder if that
           would be a problem?
           \_ Aren't Jews racist against blacks also?  Hmm, so Arabs and Jews
           \_ Aren't Joos racist against blacks also?  Hmm, so Arabs and Joos
              are on the same side on this.
              \_ Poor Sammy Davis, Jr.
        \_ 2008 will be Clinton/Gore vs Powell/Rice
           \_ If that turns out to be true, Powell wins by a landslide.
              \_ What's wrong with Hillary as president that we already know
                 (besides being a bitch)?
                 \_ The problem with Hillary, at least what I'm refering
                    to here, is that Powell is liked by pretty much every
                    one.  Hillary is intensly liked by certain people, and
                    hated by everyone else.  She couldn't pull a mojority
                    unless the opponent was Stalin.
                    \_ no one ever tried to kill Stalin. - danh
                       \_ Did someone try to kill Hillary?  Also, Stalin
                          may have been murdered.  The verdict is unknown.
                          \_ I am a registered Republican (yes for the funny
                             postal mail) and I get great flyers from out
                             of state about the need to "retire" the Evil
                             One from New York.  As far as I know Stalin
                             was wildly popular in the Soviet Union and
                             there was no serious attempt to have him killed,
                             unlike Hitler.-danh
                             \_ Wildly popular?  Generally you're a pretty
                                intelligent guy, danh, so I'm going to assume
                                that there must be some underlying element of
                                humor in your comment that I'm not getting.
                                The notion that Stalin was 'popular' is just
                                too absurd to take seriously.  Perhaps you
                                should seek out better source materials.  -POC
                             \_ Stalin was wildly popular in SU in much the
                                same way that Kim Jong Il dude is wildly
                                popular in NK... in fact in exactly the same
                                way.  You can't be serious. -- ilyas
                                \_ polling technology was primitive in ww2
                                   \_ Jesus, just think about the situation in
                                      Stalinist Russia, for a second.
                             \-http://www.cafepress.com/ipa_politics/419204
                             \_ You're saying that the RNC is advocating
                                the assasination of Hillary?  How much
                                Kool-aid have you been drinking?
                \_ I will say that weird fringe groups want Hillary
                   "eliminated" "rubbed out" "taken out".  I really don't
                   get why they think she is the embodiment of All That Is
                   Bad. - danh
                             \_ As I said, some think Stalin was murdered:
                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin#Death
                                \_ his syphilis ridden body failed at 73?
                                   how strange!
           \_ Can a VP serve a third term?
              \_ Of course.  The question is, why would she pick Gore?
                 \_ Oh, she wouldn't pick Al.
                    \_ She'd pick Tipper?
                       \_ Aren't you a bright one!
                          \_ What, is there another Gore I'm forgetting?
        \_ Democrat jizz fantasy:  Powell runs for President on Democratic
           ticket!
           \_  You bastard! I just cleaned my keyboard! -democrat
           \_ 2008: Powell/McCain ticket solidifies moderate-centrist regime
              that lasts for forty years.  Anyone with ideas stronger than
              "small steps and a good economy" labelled a loony.
2004/11/16 [Politics/Foreign, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34916 Activity:nil
11/16   Gee, I'm reading Yahoo News and I've never seen that many photos of
        Powell and Rice together before.
2004/11/16 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:34917 Activity:nil
11/15   What's the best free software for finding and removing
        spyware from Windows 95/98/me/2000/xp?
        \_ AdAware and Spybot in tandem.
           \_ Not always.
                \_ That's what I use.  What's better than that (and free)?
2004/11/16 [Uncategorized] UID:34918 Activity:nil
11/15   Will no one rid me of these meddlesome Rolex spams?
2004/11/16 [Uncategorized] UID:34919 Activity:nil
11/16   I want to attach some acrylic pieces to glass. What's the best
        way to do this, silicone "glue"?
2004/11/16 [Uncategorized] UID:34920 Activity:nil
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        \_ I'm sorry, did I break the ribbon on your teletype?
2004/11/16 [Uncategorized] UID:34921 Activity:moderate
11/16   spanish kid who carried explosives in Madrid train explosion
        only gets 5 years in juvi? he killed 191 people..
        \_ i've always thought the american taliban marin county guy
           who got 20 years was awesome, he was able to penetrate
           the taliban and join up, way better than any CIA agent. - danh
           \_ like I said, the US spends billions of dollars on spy
              equipments like automated electronic bug, database
              with AI for abnormal communications, deep penetrating
              radio probes, IR window listener, etc, yet, the Brits
              Israelis, etc only need to spend a fraction of that
              money on spies.
        \_ Supposedly he's just a member of a gang which sold illegal
           explosives, and he didn't know anything about the terrorist plot.
           He's not the one carrying explosives on the train.  (He's still
           alive after all.)  Although 5 years is still too little.
2004/11/16 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:34922 Activity:high
11/16   "sed '/^[0-9].*$/\!d' inputfile" will print out only the lines
        of a file that start with numbers.  Supposed I want to print out
        the 1st, 6th, 10th, 16th, etc lines that begin with a number.
        How can I do that elegantly with sed or perl or whatever?
        \_ perl -ne 'print if /^\d/ && $count++ % 5 == 0'  --mconst
        \_ You can replace all the newlines with a new record separator (eg
           "FOO") and then awk '{print $1, $6, $10, $16}'.
           \- to do this either you need to understand a little bit about
              how sed works and then write a little sed program OR if
              you want a cryptic one liner, it heavily depends on the
              version of sed ... i cant think of a simple way to do
              this in "genreic sed" ... i assume your list doenst end
              at 16 ... that is trivial. i think gsed supports the +5d
              operator. --psb
        \_ perl -ne 'print if /^\d/ && <compare $. as line #>' file
           the compare could be e.g.: $. =~ /^(1|6|10|16)$/
           --dbushong
           \- if all you want to do is print out those 4 lines it is
'             trivial ... sed -n -e '1p;6p;10p;16p'  --psb
         \_ This has to work for a file that is 100000 lines long.  That's
            what I meant by etc.  I would have thought there would be an
            elegent way to basically tell it to print the first line,
            skip the next n lines, print the next line, skip the next n
            lines, etc. -op
            \_ Is n 5, 4, or 6?
2004/11/16 [Science/Space] UID:34923 Activity:high
11/16   NASA Scramjet testing at 2:30 PST:
        http://www.nasa.gov/55644main_NASATV_Windows.asx (WMP)
        \_ Well, she worked.  They should've put a camera on the thing.
        \_ Wait.  Wasn't the test conducted yesterday?
           \_ Postponed until today.
        \_ I was kinda hoping they would end it by having the craft
           accelerate until it burned up or left the atmosphere.
2004/11/16 [Computer/HW/Memory] UID:34924 Activity:nil
11/16   I did some simple performance test of NS7.1 vs. FF1.0 on my 400MHz
        Celeron NT machine:
                                        NS7.1   FF1.0
        Start-up time with blank page:  5.0s    4.0s
        Memory used after start-up:     9.8MB   8.8MB
        Memory used for http://www.yahoo.com  1.7MB   1.1MB
        When measuring start-up time, I started and exited the browser several
        times to make sure most of the disk files are cached in RAM before I
        took the actual timing.  The timing is very consistent.
        When measuring the memory used for http://www.yahoo.com I loaded the page
        into the two browser only a couple minutes apart.  The same ads and
        news headlines were displayed in both cases.
        I exited one browser before I start the other.
        \_ This is cool... what about IE?
           \_ I only have IE 5.something on that machine, so I didn't check IE.
        \_ What about the rendering time for cnn/ebay/etc (IE vs FF)?
           \_ I only have a modem connection, so I didn't measure that timing.
2004/11/16 [Uncategorized] UID:34925 Activity:nil
11/16   Around when can I find satsuma tangerines in Oakland Chinatown for
        under $1/lb.?  Are they available cheap yet?
        \_ I have a tree and the fruit is not ripe yet. It will be another
           month or so.
2004/11/16 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34926 Activity:very high 66%like:37533
11/16   Today is 11/16
        \_ The subsequent sentence is true.
        \_ The previous sentence is false.
        \_ This sentence is true.
           \_ This sentence is provable.
              \_ No it isn't.
              \_ This sentence is provable under axiom S.
        \_ None of the above are true.
           \_ It's all lies spread by the liberal media.
                \_ Bush won!
2004/11/16 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:34927 Activity:high
11/14   Straight from "Red America"
        http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1054/1054_01.asp
        \_ "Evolution is the religion of scientists who laugh at God."
            http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5001/5001_01.asp
        \_ oh. my. god. I can't believe this crap.
        \_ Straight from Ontario, California, the land of cheap houses and
           ultra under-educated overly-patriotic white trash
           \_ Are you callin' me a faguht!? Ahm gonna kick your ass!
2004/11/16 [Uncategorized] UID:34928 Activity:nil
11/14   Any advice on shorting Fannie Mae, home of the Dem.
        sinecure?
2004/11/16-18 [Reference/Law/Court, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:34929 Activity:high
11/16   http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/16/abercrombie.lawsuit.ap/index.html
        "The lawsuit was filed last June in San Francisco by Hispanic and
        Asian groups charging that Abercrombie & Fitch, known for its
        "classic casual American" clothing styles, hires a disproportionately
        white sales force, puts minorities in less-visible jobs and cultivates
        a virtually all-white image in its catalogues and elsewhere"

        I don't get this. A&F (or any company) doesn't isn't obligated to
        use minority models and faces in its catalogues. Can't they do
        whatever they want in their catalogues?
        \_ hispanics already have shitty clothes.. - hispanic
        \_ What's the point of this, from a business standpoint?  Aren't they
           just losing money by not catering to non-white buyers?  It seems
           that they are screwing their shareholders  as well as their
           workers (as usual with shitty companies.)
        \_ "The original lawsuit was brought on behalf of nine young
           minorities, including students and graduates of Stanford
           University and the University of California, who were
           denied jobs or fired based on their race."  -tom
           \_ If you went to Stanford or Cal and you are working
              at A&F instead of shopping there, there is something
              seriously wrong with you.
              \_ why do you say that?  Like all major companies, A&F has
                 programmers, business managers, board members, etc.  It
                 doesn't say anything about the jobs being in retail.  -tom
              \_ I'm sure they worked there while still in school.
        \_ They can.  The point is that the all white image filtered down
           to the sales force, which is illegal.
        \_ so who gets the settlement money? hispanics or the fake
           hispanics w/ fake concern?
           \_ Trick question.  It goes to the lawyers.
           \_ don't forget the asians and fake asians w/ fake concerns.
              \_ What is a fake asian? Or a fake hispanic?
        \_ It's located in OH, a fucking red neck state with a lot of
           white supremacists and racists.
        \_ It's located in OH, a fucking red neck state who put an idiot
           back into the White House.
           \_ Why blame OH and not the other 30 states that voted for him?
        \_ um, yeah. I just searched their web site for about 8 min, could
           not find a single minority looking person in the catalog.
           HEIL AYRIAN RACE!!! KKK R3WLS! HEIL!
           \_ ?  I didn't even say anything... -John
           \_ Does Ayran include Indian and Iranian?
           \_ Does Aryan include Indian and Iranian?
                                  \_ depending on your caste.
2004/11/16-18 [Consumer/PDA] UID:34930 Activity:kinda low
11/16   Have Palm Desktop, HotSync Manager.  Want to set up for AvantGo.
        Have software, etc.  Can't get HotSync manager to recognize that
        AvantGo exists.
        \_ Like declarative sentences.  Dislike subjects.
           \_ Am not sole soda grammar wisecracker.  Beat to the punch.
        \_ You'd probably get better help by asking at one of the Palm OS
           community forums. (e.g. http://www.palmonecity.com http://www.palminfocenter.com
        \_ Uh, you put the .prc or whatever it is into the directory from
           which you install Palm apps and install it.  Drop me a mail if
           you have more specific questions.  -John
           \_ AvantGo uses a conduit on the desktop side too, which is what
              I assume the op is having issues with.
              \_ Yes, hence the requirement for more information.
2004/11/16-17 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:34931 Activity:kinda low
11/16   Condoleezza Rice and the Stanford Spy Ring
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1281630/posts
        \_ The freeper cowards pulled it:
           http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=20581
2004/11/16-18 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:34932 Activity:moderate
11/16   Nice!  Karl Rove in line for Time's Person of the Year.  This rules.
        Other persons of the year have included Hitler and Stalin, so I think
        this is very appropriate.
        \_ The award is not necessarily a positive award, but meant to
           represent a person who had a big impact.
                \_ Not in 2001.
                   \_ Who got it in 2001?
                        \_ Guiliani
        \_ FDR and Arafat both made the list as well.
           \_ FDR the president?  Didn't he die a long time ago?
        \_ Yeah, why don't you include all the TIME Persons of Year in
           that comparison. Starting with last years.. the U.S. soldier.
           I'm glad you think that about Stalin and Hitler, and Rove.
           It's nice to know we all like to get along.
        \_ Very impressive job with the self-Godwin.
2004/11/16-18 [Recreation/Dating, Recreation/Music] UID:34933 Activity:kinda low
11/16   I Love Music thread on Rick Starr of Sproul Plaza fame, including
        apparent ACTUAL recording made by Starr in the '60s(!!!!).
        http://ilx.p3r.net/thread.php?msgid=5259117
        \_ whatever happened to Larry the Drummer?
        \_ Note the entry in the thread by Drew Daniel of Matmos!
        \_ drew also puts out stuff as "Soft Pink Truth".  the rick starr
           clip exists at KALX on a 8 track tape. - danh
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