Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2004:November:09 Tuesday <Monday, Wednesday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2004/11/9 [Uncategorized] UID:34769 Activity:nil
11/8    How do I tell a WinXP box to run a defragmenter every night at 3AM?
        It's not showing up in 'Scheduled tasks'.  Thanks.
2004/11/9 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/Virus] UID:34770 Activity:high
        So the NSA wants a ned center to work on, in part, detecting
        malicious code hidden in software.  How is this any easier than
        'solving' the halting problem?
        \_ Dubya can do anything he sets his devious and evil monkey mind to.
        \_ The fact that a problem is undecidable in general does not stop
           entire industries from springing up around it (anti-virus stuff
           comes to mind). -- ilyas
           \_ Remedying parts of a problem (anti-virus stuff comes to mind)
              but not eliminating the problem entirely is better than not
              doing anything at all, unless your partial measures create a
              false sense of security (anti-virus stuff comes to mind).  This
              is especially true for infosec.  Even if AV vendors create
              false panic & hysteria, there is nonetheless a real problem out
              there, which they are partially addressing.  The same with this
              malicious code initiative.  I have corporate clients who have
              enormous issues with this; it is a real problem just crying for
              someone to do something, anything, about it.  Infosec problems
              cannot ever be 100% solved.  -John
              \_ "infosec". This sounds like something Orwell or Philip K
                 Dick would come up with.
                 \_ Sorry, you're right.  We've just all taken to calling it
                    that here, you get used to it.  You have always been at
                    war with Eurasia.  -John
                    \_ Damn eurocommunists. -- ilyas
                       \_ Mao!  Mao is the standard!
                          \_ Ooh mao mao, ooh papa mao
                          \_ Are you chinese?  Do you understand the
                             effects opium trade had on china!?
                             effects holocaust had on china!?
                             \_ No I don't, explain it to me.
                          \_ Penalty.
2004/11/9 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:34771 Activity:high
11/8    Why do these guys look like the terrorists in Counter-Strike?
        \_ Because they killed all the sodomizing homosexuals who could tell
           them that lumberjack shirts and checkered kaffiyehs simply do
           not match.  -John
        \_ On a side note, does it ever get cold enough in Iraq or the rest
           of the Middle East to justify owning a balaclava?
           \_ Yes.  Ever  been in a desert at night?  It gets cold.
              \_ Damn, good point.  Bang goes another theory.
2004/11/9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:34772 Activity:high
11/8    Someone please explain how the Fallujah fight works. The US
        army goes in, the civilians and insurgents flee, and victory
        is claimed. But eventually when the civilians and insurgents
        come back, they'll just do more sniping and suicide bombing.
        So what's the point of attacking Fallujah in the first place?
        \_ we will hunt down and fight and kill the evil-doers.
        \_ Same mistake we made in Vietnam:  we think that grabbing land will
           somehow equal victory, but Zarqawi (sp?) and the rest of the heads
           of Team Fallujah have already left.  Watch out for the next
           Fallujah sometime soon.
           \_ Some people always escape.  You don't need to kill 100% of the
              enemy to render them ineffective as a fighting force.  A few
              kill leaders and lots of dead bodies is usually enough.  Watch
              out for the next Fallujah?  This isn't the first city that's
              been stomped on like this.  How come we don't hear about all
              those other cities still being terrorist havens?
                    \_ Wow, you're really dumb. You have no idea what
                    guerilla warfare entails. Get ready for your object
                       \_ Yes, I do know.  What exactly are your gueillas
                          going to eat and shoot with and hide once the world
                          passes them by?  Do you read the Arab press?  Since
                          they started killing Iraqi children and cops, their
                          support has plumeted.  This is mop up.  It'll go on
                          beyond their elections but there won't be any more
                          Fallujas.  The political situation has changed.  You
                          put way too much faith in a bunch of random angry
                          dudes with no training.  I'll take the U.S. Marines
                          on this one.
                          \_ Even the marines are admitting that the bigwigs
                             are no longer in the city.  They'll take their
                             support elsewhere and set up shop, and the Sunnis
                             will boycott the election.
                             \_ "Che Guevara".  You can't have a revolution
                                without goons.  -John
        \_ It's a matter of whether they can permantly secure and bring
           order to Fallujah and other cities with Iraqi forces.  If not,
           it's a lost cause.
        \_ It'll be difficult to snipe while wearing bags and leashes, and
           with LYNDIE keeping an eye on them.
        \_ Fallujah is the symbol and HQ of the insurgents.
           Naturally, if the U.S. pacifies the city and it re-erupts in
           violence, that's bad!
        \_ It has their FLAG, dumbass. -geordan
2004/11/9 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34773 Activity:high
11/8    Why aren't the media/liberals capitalizing on the man who committed
        suicide because Bush got re-elected? I mean, they should use that
        to make a point that Bush sucks, like "the first man who commit
        suicide because of the presidency."
        \_ troll. I'll bite. because the guy Was CRAZY
        \_ Maybe because you've had too much of the partisan kool aid and
           the media is actually less liberal than you think.
        \_ I think you were intended to see "LAME" below.
        \_ Actually it highlights the mental state of Kerry followers.
2004/11/9 [Recreation/House, Reference/BayArea, Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:34774 Activity:nil
11/09   I need to find a storage place in south bay for lots of books and also
        some furniture and electronics.  To save money, I prefer a non-A/C
        place.  Should I worry about moisture damange?  Does it matter
        if it is ground floor or up?  Thanks.
2004/11/9 [Health/Disease/General, Health/Men, Health/Women] UID:34775 Activity:very high
11/9    why isn't the heart drug made for blacks a hate drug?
        \_ you are stupid
           \_ he's stupid but still makes a good point.  for decades the
              medical research field has ignored racial differences when
              studying disease and the effects of drugs (also the diff. between
              men and women as well).  should we ignore race for medical
              reasons?  does doing so make us racist or does not doing so make
              us racist by denying that "we're all the same" and color is only
              skin deep, etc?  you too easily dismiss the core concept because
              it was presented by a moron.
              \_ We don't ignore race.  It's long been understood that blacks
                 are more genetically prone toward sickle cell anemia, and
                 ethnic Jews have a higher rate of Tay-Sachs.  Diagnosis and
                 treatment have been aimed at race.
                 \_ Those are very obvious cases.  There are numerous much
                    more subtle differences between people/races that most
                    medical researchers won't touch with a 10 mile pole.
                    Race is a hot button issue.  I wouldn't risk my career or
                    funding on the more subtle stuff.  Would you?  Very few are
                    willing to talk about it much less conduct serious medical
                    research in this area.
           \_ alright, let's say there's a drug for whites only. Can you
              imagine what the public reaction would be?
              \_ Very good point.
                 \_ Bullshit.  If there is a drug that for some genetic
                    reason has a beneficial effect on one group and none
                    for another, that's not racist, and I think you'd be
                    hard pressed to find any rational person who would
                    call it a _good point_
              \_ SUNSCREEN IS RACIST, BITCH!
2004/11/9 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34776 Activity:high
11/9    Firefox 1.0 in /csua/tmp
        \_ I really hope you are not running graphical web browsers from soda.
           \_ It's a .exe file.  Can't be for soda.
         \_ do you have any idea how slow is today?
         \_ When Soda is a dual Xeon we will all have graphical
            \_ Actually, hey... why don't they include a jpg->ASCII
               conversion library in lynx?  That would be awesome.
        \_ Anyone know how do I set cache directory in firefox? It can
           be done for Mozilla. I don't see an option in Firefox...
           \_ have you tried googling for
                set cache directory in firefox
              ? the answer seems to be in the first link.
        \_ I'm running 0.9.3 and I've set it to periodically check for updates.
           So far I haven't seen any notification.  How often does it check for
           \_ Do a force-check: options->advanced->software updates->check now
              \_ Yeah I can do that, but I was just wondering if the periodic
                 check feature is broken.
        \_ I'm a current-version Mozilla user.  What would I gain/lose by
           switching to firefox?  How much lighter in CPU/memory is it?  I
           find I typically use ~80MB having 10 or so tabs open.
        \_ Yeah, I can finally dump my NS 7.1.
        \_ Should I wait a month or two for all the major problems to pop up
           before I switch to it?
           \_ Nah, I have been using the beat for weeks with no problems.
              \_ I thought it was just released today.  Or is the 1.0 PR the
                 same as 1.0?
           \_ You should wait a couple days if you're using certain extensions
              like adblock that haven't had new versions released for this.
        \_ Is there a version for Slolaris yet?
2004/11/9 [Computer/Companies/Google, Computer/SW/OS/VM] UID:34777 Activity:high
11/9    I have two versions of MSIE 6.0.2800.1106. One is running inside a
        VMWare virtual machine, the other running native on an athlon PC.
        When I run a google query:
        They get slightly different results. What's the best way to figure
        out why this would be?  Perhaps a way to capture the request?
        \_ Maybe you're just hitting different google mirrors, and their
           indices aren't quite in sync?  You could test this by using an
           explicit IP address like instead of "".
        \_ netcat is good for this.  Use 'netcat -L <DEAD><DEAD>:10070
         -p 8000 -o logfile' listens at port 8000 on the local machine, logs
         to the file "logfile", and forwards the result to athos port 10070.
        \_ Does Google incorporate randomness in its search result when, say,
           there's a tie in relevancy?
        \_ the above will do the net capture but i think the answer lies more
           in how google works than your browser.  packet captures will only
           tell you what you already know: you're getting difference responses
           back from google.
2004/11/9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:34778 Activity:insanely high
11/9    What's the difference between Sadam killing thousands of uncooperative
        Iraqis because they don't accept his ruling, and Bush killing
        thousands of ethnic Iraqis because they don't accept democracy?
        \_ We are killing in the name of democracy which is a more noble goal.
              \_ someone has been playing too muh GTA:SA
                 \_ Is RATM on the soundtrack? -no ps2
                  \_ yup
        \_ Moral relativism.  You = teh ghey.
        \_ cuz the people we kill don't want other iraqis to be free
           \_ Oxymorons for the day: military intelligence, smart weapon,
              friendly fire, compassionate conservative.
              \_ unbiased mainstream media, kerry electable, youth voter,
                 hollywood/heart of america, voted for it before....
                 \_ intelligent motd conservative attempting variation on
                    theme to drive home stupid point but falling flat
        \_ There are no difference, period.
           \_ Are you Chinese?  Do you understand the effect the opium trade
              had on China?
                \_ Why do you hate China?
           \_ Are you Yiddish?  Do you understand the effect the holocaust
              had on Yehudah?
                \_ Why do you hate Yehudah?
              \_ A foreigner can see this with less bias than you do.
                 \_ I bet BUD DAY has no bias at all!
                        \_ BUD DAY vs. Ditka?  (No Bears' bus)
              \_ ?? Care to elaborate?
        \_ Ummm... one opresses all other Iraqis for a self-centered
           ideology, and the other makes all Iraqis equal?
           \_ oppresses via kidnappings, head chopping, car bombs in busy
              markets, suicide bombers, etc.  You know, the people that he'd
              be howling to see put down like rabid dogs in the street if they
              made an appearance in HIS neighborhood.
        \_ According to Economist, number of Iraqis killed since invasion
           is not 15000 as per US's figures, but 40000 or more.
           \_ You've obviously never served.
              \_ What does that comment have to do with The Economist article
                 \_ Why doesn't the Economist just sign Form 180 and get it
                    over with?
                    \_ I'll sign form 180!
                        \_ No, I'll sign form 180!  --spartacus
           \_ Whatever the number, it is still going to be lower over the long
              term than what Saddam was doing to his own people on a daily
              basis.  It is a horrible and terrible thing that innocent people
              die during war but they were also during under Saddam.  His
              killing was a permanent situation.  The war is a temporary
              condition required to remove his bloody paws from the people.
              \_ How long did Saddam ruled Iraq and how many people died
                 as a result of his misrule?
              \_ Americans love to kill people in the name of freedom
                 and democracy.  They killed 4 million Vietnamese to
                 save the Vietnamese.  That's comparable to the number
                 of Jews incinerated by the Germans.
                 \_ You're an idiot.  4 million is an estimate of Vietnamese
                    civilians killed, 1955-1973.  Add to that ca. 1 million
                    combatants.  A majority of those were done in by other
                    Vietnamese, including North & Viet Cong.  -John
                       \_ Exactly.  And aside from a fair number of RVN
                          civilians done in by US napalm, most of it points
                          to casualties from NVA/VC.  Point?  -John
                          \_ why do you say most of the civilian casualties
                             are due to NVA/VC?
                             \_ Because they're a bunch of murdering fucking
                                commies, and they're coming for you AND your
                                dog, that's why.  -John
                                \_ Didn't you know?  The US Military has
                                   declared a Free Fire Zone in your bathroom.
                                   If you have any business there, you'd better
                                   do it quick.
                    \_ nah, majority killed by Americans and their corrupt
                       S. Vietnam lackeys.
        \_ One is a murdering turd and the other murders Kurds?
        \_ Where is the evidence?  The Constitution demands an actual head
           count for the purposes of the census, but the "100,000 dead Iraqis"
           figure is tossed willy-nilly without a list of names.  Besides,
           we don't target Iraqi citizens, and Saddam did.
           \_ 100,000 people was a bogus figure generated by some guys who
              came up with a range of ~8000 to just over 200,000 dead so they
              split the difference.  Once the lie started spreading, the
              origin was lost and now this 100k number has become a pseudo-
              factoid tossed around like reality.
              \_ The 100K number is not bogus, but it has a high uncertainty.
                 They used the 'cluster' statistical methodology, which is
                 "THE STANDARD" in epidemiological studies, and gives very
                 good results if your sample size is large enough.  Basically
                 you randomly pick a bunch of small neighborhoods spread out
                 over the whole country and interview every person in those
                 neighborhoods about their family members who died and what was
                 the cause of death.  Then extrapolate those results to the
                 whole country.  Because they got only 33 neighborhoods, their
                 estimate was 98K dead, but the margin of error was 8-190K
                 people dead.  The best estimate is 98K, but there is 90%
                 certainty that over 40K have died.  Also, they deliberately
                 threw out a neighborhood in Fallujah because the death rate
                 was much higher there and they didn't want to skew the sample.
                 The 8-200K dead figure is the 95% confidence interval, I think
                 \_ WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA???
              \_ The 100k number came from a survey using the same
                 methodology as used in kosovo and other conflicts,
                 and has been generally accepted in the past.  But,
                 as Firesign Theatre would say, everything you know
                 is wrong.
              \_ Nobody knows how many Iraqis are dying because frankly,
                 nobody cares.  The only thing that is important is
                 to reduce American casualties to a minimum.
                 \_ You dickwad, I hope a terriorist hit you soon, motherfucker!
2004/11/9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34779 Activity:kinda low
11/9    The behind-the-scene look at the campaign by the Newsweek embeds
        is a pretty good read.  Not terribly flattering to the Kerry camp.
        \_ 1)  Not really.
           2)  Their account of Bush's time at Yale is based on pure fiction.
               There's nothing "regular" about being a way below average
               student, an alchoholic, a criminal, and a Bonesman.
               \_ Sure, sure. And what was Kerry's GPA?
                  \_ You overwrote my post.  You = teh gay
           3)  Stop posting the same shit over and over.
           \_ My, we're just a wee bit bitter, aren't we?
        \_ Next up: the "Sweet Valley High" election special!
2004/11/9 [Politics/Domestic] UID:34780 Activity:high
        \_ That 60-seat majority in the Senate is going to be really sweet come
           2006.  Keep it up guys.
           \_ Filibuster-proof!
        \_ I prefer:
        \_ He needes a history lesson.
           \_ You need a spelling lesson.
        \_ He needs a history lesson.
          \_ why? point out some things.
             \_ The Civil War was not about slavery.  The Founding
                Fathers weren't all urbanites from the northeast.
                The Founding Fathers specifically designed the
                government so highly populous urban centers didn't
                have total control over rural areas.  Etc.
2004/11/9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:34781 Activity:high
11/9    I've been wondering about this. During the campaign, why doesn't
        Kerry just openly say that the war on Iraq is based on a lie,
        a lie the Bush administration knew from the beginning. The WMD
        was just something that would play nice with the general
        public, but they would've went in anyway, and because of their
        action, the united states is not any safer than it was before.
        Does this just not work with the general public? Were they
        afraid most Americans just don't want to hear the truth? Like
        when any company loses a court battle, they always deny any
        wrong doings, etc, but will pay?
        \_ Because he voted for it and later said he'd do the exact same
           thing even knowing that Saddam didn't have WMD.
           \_ When asked how she would have handled the war if she'd known then
              what she knows now, Senator Hillary Clinton retorted, "Well, we
              never would have had the war!"
        \_ Because the WHOLE WOLRD thought we'd find stockpiles! -Dubya
           \_ Except of course for Sean Penn.
           \_ Look up the countries who opposed the war, but who's
              intelligence agencies said there were stockpiles.
        \_ Because, even knowing everything we know today, it was still the
           right thing to do! -Dubya
           \_ Is it?
              \_ The majority of Americans think so!
                 \_ An uninformed majority is a mob.
           \_ The US under Bush is the biggest threat to world pace since
              Hitler. I think we should invade and take preemptive actions
              against ourselves!!
           \_ You've obviously never served.
              \_ Dubya served with honor in the Texas Air National Guard!
        \_ What about all the shit they teach you at school, you are
           innocent until proven guilty, that you can't punish someone
           for something they haven't done. Which is the foundation of
           our law enforcement system. Why don't we start arresting
           anyone who 'might' commit a crime? "Knowing what I know
           today, it was the right thing to do", fuck off.
           \_ The "innocent until proven guilty" premise does not translate to
              Presidents and heads of state who, because of the enormous effect
              of their mistakes, obsessions, and biases, are expected to be
              more circumspect in the employment of the destructive forces at
              their disposal.  The President *must* be willing to take
              responsibility for the errors he has made, especially when those
              errors result in the full deployment of our military; this is
              why Bush was very careful to shift the focus of the reason for
              war from the unproveable charge of WMD to the more popular goal
              of deposing Saddam Hussein.  If Bush had made this case prior
              to going to war, he would have simulataneously had a harder time
              getting support for the war and had a much more stable rationale
              for the war.  He erred.
              \_ they got Capone on tax evasion, we got Saddam on wmd usage
                 against the kurds..
              \_ And Dubya probably thinks the 2004 results were a stamp of
              \_ One of the things that people forget, or fail to
                 meantion, is that Bush CAN'T admit it was a mistake, even
                 if he thinks so himself.  Admitting the war was a mistake
                 would be such a morale shock to the troops, and the
                 country, it would be the equivalent of overtly saying,
                 "We're going to let another 10,000 or so troops die, and
                 then pull out leaving Iraq in a state of civil war and
                 disaster."  He touched on this in the debate when he said
                 he didn't think a president who thinks the war is a
                 mistake should be put in charge.  Morale is VERY
                 \_ If Bush were truly concerned about morale, he should
                    apologize for not greeting the coffins of the fallen
                    soldiers who have died for their country.
                    \_ Dubya was visiting the wounded in Walter Reed yesterday!
                       [GOP]Karl_Rove p0wnz u!
                       \_ Yawn.  wounded != died.  Cf. "dictionary."
                          \_ Visiting wounded soldiers >> Greeting coffins
                             [GOP]Karl_Rove STILL p0wnz u!
                             \_ Obviously, you never served.
                \_ THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT CARL ROVE BETTED ON. Once we are
                   in war, there's only one option. You don't question why
                   until after the war, long after Bush is dead. FUCK BUSH
                   AND CARL ROVE.
           \_ Dubya took out Saddam -- someone who has used chemical weapons
              during war -- while he was small, before he could get big again.
              Dubya didn't even want to ask the UN, but Powell convinced him
              to try.
              Dubya also showed that the U.S. will do whatever it takes to
              anyone it deems a threat to the U.S.
              \_ Someone explain to be where the term 'Dubya' came from?
                 What does it mean?
                 \_ It's his middle initial, to distinguish him, George W.
                    Bush, from his father, George H.W. Bush.
              \_ Wow, that's almost straight from Andrew Card's mouth. Let's
                 review:  post-combat weapons inspections have revealed that
                 the sanctions were preventing Saddam Hussein from "getting
                 big again"; the campaign in *Afghanistan* showed that the
                 US will do whatever it takes to defuse those it deems a
                 threat; the debacle in Iraq has shown the world that anyone
                 can tie down the US military nearly indefinitely by prodding
                 the President's pride.  US military might is at its lowest
                 perceived competency level in decades.
                 \_ Wow, if only Kerry put it as convincingly in the debates...
                    But, Saddam was gaming the oil-for-food program, and
                    Dubya's people would say that he WOULD get big again
                    after sanctions were lifted since no WMDs would have been
                    found, Saddam would still be in power today, and we would
                    never have found out if he had them or not.
                    IMO, the U.S. should have been gaming Saddam, not the other
                    way around.  Instead, the U.S. broke all the rules and put
                    the hammer down on him when it found it was losing the
                    \_ You're right, Kerry should have hammered him more than
                       he did.  Ah, well.  Anyway, sanctions would not have
                       been lifted because Bush would have had any attempt to
                       lift sanctions vetoed in the UNSC.  Furthermore, Bush
                       should have had the balls to call France and Russia on
                       their violations of the sanctions; robbed of his two
                       semi-allies, Hussein might have self-destructed faster.
2004/11/9 [Computer/Rants] UID:34782 Activity:nil
11/9    looking for stable employment, will shovel hay/ horse manure..
        \_ That all depends...Are you out standing in your field?
           \_I'm out standing in a field, need sheltered employment.
        \_ there's a ton of contracting jobs out there.  i'm beating them off
           with a stick.
2004/11/9 [Health/Dental, Health/Disease/General] UID:34783 Activity:moderate
11/9    I got a food particle stuck in my throat, probably a rice particle.
        I can't cough it out or get it to go down by eating more stuff or
        drink water. It's bothering me. Sodans with medical knowledge, if
        it's indeed stuck in my breath path, won't it cause bacteria and
        maybe infection if I don't get it out?
        \_ Go see a doctor.  It might not be what you think it is.  It
           might be serious. -- ilyas
        \_ as long as you can type and post to motd, who cares?
        \_ Some semen should dislodge it.
           \_ or a spray of urine.
              \_ I saw a video once about a doctor who specialized in that
        \_ When this happens to me, I usually ignore it for half a day or so
           and it disappears by itself.
        \_ It may not really be there anymore.  If something scratched your
           throat, the injury may feel like it's there.
           \_ True.  Also, remember that you're contantly swallowing saliva,
              nature's own pre-digestive juice, so any food stuck in your
              mouth or throat should disappear in a few days.  If it's still
              bugging you after a few days or gets worse, visit your doctor.
        \_ Might be cancer.  go see a doctor.
           \- eat a banana --psb
              \_ safer to just see a doctor.  might be inflammation too.
        \_ Thanks for all the replies. It is a food particle because I
           was drinking some water after lunch and somehow choked
           myself and splashed water all over my keyboard and monitor.
           After the smoke cleared (in a figurative sense), I started
           to feel there's something on my throat and can't get it out.
           I feel like it is not in my swallow path, as I've actually ate
           a banana and drank more water, but rather in my breath path,
           does it make sense? Or am I just wrong and it IS in my swallow
           path and just stuck somewhere?
           \_ depends on how far back in your throat.  Tracheal obstructions
              tend to trigger the coughing reflex.  It could also be stuck
              near your tonsils.  Seeing a doctor is probably the safest bet.
              And worth the $15 copay.  Check thyroids and tonsils while you're
           \_ Don't ask me to help you debug on your machine again!
2004/11/9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34784 Activity:moderate
        Latest Tom Tomorrow comic strip
        \_ Wow, JUST as unfunny as usual!
           \_ I don't know, Kerry playing with Barbie dolls was pretty funny.
              Don't you agree?
              \_ eh.  no.  Not that funny.
                 \_ I guess you voted for Dubya?
                    \_ Kerry playing with Barbie dolls is funnier for
                       Kerry supporters?
                       \_ I voted for Kerry, and I think Tom Tomorrow
                          is never funny and can't draw.
                          \_ Why do you hate never served? Do you understand
                             the effect Bud Day obviously had on the STANDARD
                             mass opium graves?
2004/11/9-10 [Reference/Law/Court] UID:34785 Activity:low
11/9    What's wrong for a Juror to do a little research on her own?
        I don't see what the big fuss is about.
        \_ check out  The judge can tell you wheever they want
        \_ check out  The judge can tell you whatever they want
           but it's pefectly legal for a juror to base their decision on
           anything.  Its a dirtly little secret they dont want you to know.
           \_ Yeah, but jurors can't conduct independent research.  You will
              get kicked off the jury, every time.
              \_ What's wrong with independent research? Can you call your
                 family member when you are a juror?
                 \_ Sure, but you can't talk about the case.
        \_ Technically, the point is that the jurors are required to examine
           and weigh only that evidence which is brought into play by one of
           the two sides.  Otherwise, a perp may not be guaranteed a fair
           trial.  In reality, jurors rely on their own personal knowledge
           all the time; however, since this is an inherent feature/bug of
           the system, it can't truly be corrected. Independent research and
           experimentation, however, can be prevented and usually are.
           \_ I'd say it's also a flaw that jurors can't ask the attorneys
              \_ I agree there.
        \_ Well, the judge is always there to say "You can't present that
           evidence", or "Objection overruled!", or "Objection sustained."
           If jurors conduct independent investigations, there's no judge
           to tell them you can't consider some evidence, the attorneys aren't
           there to tell you exactly why you're being stupid.
2004/11/9 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:34786 Activity:nil 66%like:34792
11/9    Whoever posted it, explain it to me, what's the effect of the
        opium trade had on China? (And what does it have to do with the
        context for which it was posted for?)
        \_ BUD DAY wouldn't ask such unpatriotic questions!
           \_ and who the fuck is "BUD DAY"?
        \_ If you have to ask...
2004/11/9 [Uncategorized] UID:34787 Activity:nil
        \_ Soda is haunted!  The dead post!
           \_ Must be that thar stem cell research.
2004/11/9-11 [Computer/HW/Drives, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:34788 Activity:nil
11/9    I tried using FBSD 4.9 to format a 120GB drive as FAT32.  The format
        succeeded, but I can't mount the drive-- the error message mentions
        the next free block exceeding the max.  Win2k refuses to create FAT
        partitions > 32GB because Win98 machines have 16 bit utilities that
        might barf in that situation.
        The point of the exercise is to have a single large partition that
        can be accessed from multiple systems (via USB enclosure), and I'd
        rather not split up the disk into separate partitions b/c I want to
        use iTunes to manage my music collection, and I'm not sure it can
        handle 2 or more root folders like this.
        So, any advice as to what to try next?
        \_ Sub-mounts.
           \_ Will that work on Win2k too?  Eventually I'd like to get a
              Mac, where that's probably possible, but for now it's just
              a Win2k laptop running iTunes.  If I split up the 120GB disk
              into 4 30GB FAT32 partitions, can I mount those on top of
              each other w/o assigning a Windows drive letter?
              \_ I don't think you can do it natively.  However, the
                 commercial PGP version lets you mount a PGP disk in a
                 directory, so it might be possible.  Why don't you want
                 separate drive letters if you have multiple partitions? -John
        \_ Partition Magic boot disk?
2004/11/9-10 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:34789 Activity:low 71%like:34823
11/8    I am looking for an inexpensive external RAID box.
        Am willing to build it myself, though I have not done that.
        SATA seems the way to go.  Any pointers?
        \_ apple xserve
           \_ He said inexpensive.
        \_ How many drives do you need?  Do you need hardware RAID (yes for
           anything semi-intensive).  If this is just for personal use I'd say
           get a cheapo x86 Linux box and don't bother with SATA, as it's not
           much faster than a good IDE drive right now, and it's much easier to
           find a motherboard that supports 4-8 IDE srives than 4 SATA drives.
           If this is for business use, disregard this advice.
        \_ You aren't giving us nearly enough info.  How much storage space do
           you need, for what purpose, what is your budget and what is your
           skill level?
2004/11/9 [Reference/Religion] UID:34790 Activity:nil
11/9    God bless the Soda true believers.  We might have lost the election
        without their kind.
        \_ God is love, but GOD HATES FAGS!!
           \_ ...and SHRIMP!!
              \_ DAMN!  Beat me...
2004/11/9 [Recreation/Food] UID:34791 Activity:kinda low
11/9    Why don't we free Taiwan while we're at it?
        \_ Dubya is willing to trade Taiwan for North Korea.
        \_ no muslims in taiwan
        \_ Are you Chinese?  Do you know that the opium trade did, to, er,
2004/11/9 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:34792 Activity:insanely high 66%like:34786
11/9    Whoever posted it, explain it to me, what's the effect of the
        holocaust had on Yehudah? (And what does it have to do with the
        context for which it was posted for?)
        \_ BUD DAY wouldn't ask such unpatriotic questions!
           \_ and who the fuck is "BUD DAY"?
              \_ MoH winner, former POW, anti-Kerry,
                 \_ Some motd poster made a plea for some respect for Day.
                    Apparently that is not the will of the motd.
                    \_ I have plenty of respect for Mr Day.  It's the boob
                       that turned his name into some kind of prayer or
                       hysterical invocation that's being mocked.
                    \_ He earned respect for somethings, but derision for other
                       reasons.  Then some people invoked him as a knee-jerk
                       criticism of anything pro-Kerry or anti-war, at which
                       point he became a motd cliche'.
        \_ If you have to ask...
        \_ Are you Chinese?  Do you understand the effect the opium
           trade had on China?
           \_ I know the history of China and opium addiction is just
              another salient in the motd war between the liberals and the
              conservatives, but you should at least know a little of the
              tragedy you're belittling in your post.  It might be some
              quaint historical artifact for you, but at one point almost
              half of China was addicted to the drug, and quite likely every
              Chinese family have had to deal with opium addiction in its past.
              \_ But I don't understand the point the poster is trying to make
                 when replying to something about BushCo.
              \_ It is your insistence that Kerry must pay the price for the
                 sins of his maternal grand-relative that renders your point
                 ridiculous and turns the entire comment into a farcical
                 slogan a la WDYHA and such.  The Opium Trade was terrible,
                 and the British Govt., the perpetuators and only living
                 beneficiaries of that trade, are the ones you should be
                 approaching for repapration.
                 \_ You have your "you"s confused.  Whether Kerry inherited
                    the blame for his grandfather's sins is someone else's
                    argument.  Try to imagine the tragedy if half of China's
                    population were addicted to opium, and you'll understand
                    why the drug and the humiliation connected with it is still
                    a sensitive issue to many Chinese.  There are less repugnant
                    ways for your 2 sides to argue. -pp
                    \_ You should have weighed in while the damage was being
                       done.  Alas, the other guy made it into a motd cliche.
              \_ I ll be the first to admit that drugs can have a deleterious
                 effect on society, but as someone who opposes the Drug War,
                 and favors the legalization of all drugs, I find it difficult
                 to oppose the opium trade on principled grounds, even if it
                 did present a kind of OCP for China.  Perhaps someone could
                 provide a history lesson I am missing? -- ilyas
                 \_ simple.  people in Qing dynasty China are mostly
                    uneducated and uninformed about the effects of
                    drugs.  Western medical knowledge and care was
                    non-existent.  For example, will a particular
                    drug be detrimental to the fetus during pregnancy?
                    I can assure you, the drug goons (some of whom
                    were Jewish) of Britain and US didn't give a fuck.
                    It's good that they have long since been kicked
                    out of China.  Partial thanks go to some of the
                    Christian missionaries who spoke up against the
                    opium trade after seeing the human catastrophe
                    first hand in China.
                    \_ I am sure the drug goons didn't give a shit.
                       However, the Qing dynasty era chinese were not
                       stupid.  While they may not have been aware of
                       the harmful effects of opium initially, at some point
                       before HALF OF THE POPULATION was addicted, something
                       must have tipped them off.  At that point, you can't
                       really beg off on ignorance anymore, and it becomes
                       the fault not of the dealer, but of the junkie for
                       becoming a junkie. -- ilyas
        \_ Why do you hate America?
2004/11/9 [ERROR, uid:34793, category id '18005#5.62793' has no name! , , Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34793 Activity:moderate
11/9    DEATH TO MICHAEL MOORE!!! He didn't donate money to the Democrats
        and ripped us off. Now he's 200 million richer and all we have
        now is a dumb president. DEATH TO MICHAEL MOORE!!!
        \_ What, you're realizing just now that MM is anathema to Dems?  He's a
           raving loon socialist.
2004/11/9-10 [Recreation/Dating] UID:34794 Activity:insanely high
11/9    You know, everytime I turn on TV, I see glorified images of happy,
        pretty people running in/around LA. Just watch OC, 90210,
        Melrose's Place, LAX, etc. Why don't they show glorified
        images of people in the red states? I wanna know what people
        in Alabama, Tennessee, Texas, Florida, etc are like.
        \_ Duh.  The people who make those programs are from the blue states.
        \_ red state movie: Boys Don't Cry
           \_ and of course, 'Deliverance'
        \_ Then watch Dawson's Creek or One Tree Hill
        \_ Dey's awl happy, massa.  -John
        \_ Actually, I recently talked to a friend of mine who used to live
           in the red states, and his claim is that campus girls in places
           like Alabama are extremely attractive. -- ilyas
           \_ I used to work with a super-redneck guy who went on at great
              length about the wonders of "southern pussy."
              \_ please tell us what he told you, please!     -pimple virgin
                 \_ Well, everyone there was a northerner (including him,)
                    and sometimes we would be talking shit about how stupid
                    the south is (yes, northern rednecks look down on the
                    south also) and his response to that was always "you're
                    missing out, man: southern pussy!!!!!!"  Basically
                    he said they're hot and slutty.
           \_ ah yes, and they rather date a KKK than a Russian Jew.
              \_ Or an FOB who can't speak English.
           \_ The south is still very racist. You have to be a model-like
              non-white to make it with white chicks. There is a lot of
              pressure to conform to old-south social norms.
              \_ Wow, a south specialist speaks.  Have you actually been there?
                 Familiar with 'rebellion against authority'?  Noticed that
                 weird foreign genes are often attractive?
                 \_ Hi, I've been on a business trip to Memphis.  During the
                    several days there I've only seen one instance where blacks
                    and whites were together in a group.  That was a street
                    ensemble playing somewhere downtown.  Other than that I've
                    never seen one hanging out with the other.  BTW, people
                    there seem to be of more "pure" races.  They look either
                    "very white" (with blue eyes too) or "very black".  I
                    didn't see a spectrum of whites or a spectrum of blacks
                    like what we have here.  Oh and if you're thinking about
                    H07 4ZN CH1X, I only saw three working in a warehouse and
                    they're not hot and they look very out-of-place.
                    -- !prev poster
                    \_ Sounds a lot like what I saw in Berkeley.
                       \_ Your comment hints that you really don't understand
                          the degree to which race relations differ in CA vs
                          The South/Texas.  They are a world apart.
                       \_ The west coast strikes me as more self-segregated
                          than the east coast.  That being said the south is
                          much worse than around here.
           \_ There are attractive people everywhere, but the Southern
              belle is not a total myth. The same is true of Texans (who are
              only vaguely Southern). I think that there have been shows
              glorifying the Southern lifestyle. For example, Designing
              Women. These are the Southern elites, though, and not the
              white trash that is so common. --guy dating a girl from AL
              \_ Attractive or not, most of the girls from southern states,
                 including Texas, that I've known have been a lot more easy-
                 going about men and relationships in general (that's not to
                 say just "easy".)  There was a lot less attitude, and they
                 seemed far less standoffish and threatened when dealing with
                 men.  This has been especially true for educated southern
                 women I've known (all of whom are fairly uniformly not-Bush-
                 -voter-types, FWIW) -John
                 \_ tell us about the German, Swiss, and Jew women John!!!
                    \_ Why?  You won't be able to hit on them one-handed.
              \_ I might add that even in 'Dukes of Hazzard' (which
                 Southerners hate), 'Smokey and the Bandit', and 'Dallas'
                 the female characters were quite attractive.
                 \_ Barbara Bach had mad cellulitis.
                 \_ Southerners hate "Dukes of Hazzard?"  Dang.  I went to
                    high school in Northern CA, and I had a printmaking
                    class.  I was working though lunch to finish a
                    project, and 3 or 4 of the hicks in my class came
                    in and watched Dukes of Hazzard in the room during
                    lunch.  This was apparently a normal thing.
                    \_ This doesn't compute. The hicks in your NoCal class
                       watched 'Dukes of Hazzard'? What hicks exist in
                       NoCal? Whatever the case they certainly aren't
                       Southern Whatever the case they certainly aren't
                       \_ "What hicks exist in NoCal?"  Are you joking, or
                          have you just never been north of Sacremento?
                          Try Willows, Gridley, Redding, Reb Bluff, or
                          Chico.  Full O` Hicks. This story took place in
                          \_ Never been north of Sacramento. What does
                             a Northern hick have to do with Southerners?
                             \_ They're the same species really. Pickup trucks
                                with gun racks, lots of flags, etc.
             \_ My sister and my roommate both went to Ole Miss. I've visited
                many times. No question, hottest campus girls I've ever seen.
                \_ Southern girls actually believe in make-up, shaving,
                   hair spray, and that kind of stuff that girls at Berkeley
                   don't know exists.
        \_ you know, you got a point that most shows are centered around the
           blue states, like NYC, LA, Chicago, Miami, Hawaii, and even
           Seattle. They really should have shows in rural Florida or
           West Virginia. I'm sick of the fake boob Bay Watch girl. I'd
           definitely watch the red state shows to check out natually hot
           racist southern belles.
           \_ Simple Life
             \_ blue state women hitting on red state men-- not particular
                interesting. I wanna see hot southern belles man!!!
           \_ Gee, if only TV ratings were weighted by the electoral college!
2004/11/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34795 Activity:nil
11/9    Conspiracy Theories Abound After Bush Victory:
        \_ Like I am going to waste my time with liberal ABC News.
           Why don't you just post a link to Democratic Underground?
           \_ Actually, I watched this over dinner.  They debunk three of the
              common theories about the election.  Worth looking at.
              \_ Hmm. I found only the first "debunking" compelling and
                 finishing off with "don't worry your little head" from the
                 American Enterprise Institute hardly sets my mind at ease. I
                 am still waiting for more rigorous analysis than this.
2004/11/9 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:34796 Activity:nil
11/9    The Sunnis tell us that they're not yet ready for Democracy
        at this moment so we resort to killing them, so that all living
        Iraqis will have a chance at democracy. Bush allah akbar!
2004/11/9-10 [Uncategorized] UID:34797 Activity:low
11/9    Frontline has an excellent analysis of political and commercial
        marketing called the Persuaders.  Check it out.  It basically
        sounds like the answer to Wired's "Decline of Brands" article.
        \_ Link?
2004/11/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:34798 Activity:moderate
11/9    For williamc and for the rest of us:
        \_ Is there *any* major Canadian city more than a 4 hour drive from
           the U.S. border?
           \_ Yes there are many major cities more than a 4-hour drive from the
              U.S. of C. border.
        \_ Are you making this happen?
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