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2004/11/2 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:34523 Activity:very high
11/1    You know what I think? The Israelis somehow injected a weird
        untraceable virus into Arafat. It's too sudden to be natural:
        http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/arafat.health.ap/index.html
        \_ Why bother with untraceability?  Israelis are going to be blamed
           regardless.
        \_ Probably has AIDS...
           \_ Camels carry AIDS?
              \_ Lovely, lovely.
        \_ So a very old guy who has had a very stressful life falls ill and
           it is the Jews' fault?  I'm not surprised you would blame the Jews.
           The Nazis, the Soviets, the Spanish Inquisitors, the radical Islamic
           fascists and many others have blamed the Jews for their own problems
           over the course of time.  You're in good company.
           \_ Bush did it!
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:34524 Activity:very high
11/1    http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/binladen.tape/index.html
        You know I'm trying really hard to find some idiotic thing
        OBL said but actually he is not that dumb. Anyone feel this
        way?
        \_ Of course you can't find anything you disagree with.  His latest
           video is from the DNC and Michael Moore talking points.  When you
           find yourself in agreement with a psychotic like OBL you seriously
           need to take a step back and evaluate your own philosophies.
        \_ the caliphate is dead dead dead
        \_ What he said (this time) in and of itself is not idiotic.  What
           he said (this time) in the context of being a sanctimonious,
           ruthlessly murdering prick representing an oppressive, twisted
           fundamentally defective ideology plumbs new, untold depths of
           politically opportunistic cretinism.  Don't go there.  -John
        \_ Anytime he mentions the 19 blessed martyrs or the pure soul of
           Mohammed Atta, he shows stupidity and evil.  Don't forget about
           the planes and the ~ 3,000 innocents, especially the ones jumping
           from the tops of the buildings.
           \-i was once told this story: my uncle's car got a flat just
             outside the fence of a mental institutuion in michigan. as he
             was changing the tire, an inmate stood on the other side of
             the fence peering at him. at some point a car drove by an hit
             them hubcap on which the lugnuts were resting, scattering them
             into the vegetation making them impossible to find. my uncle
             just stood there in frustration, not knowing what to do, since
             he didnt have any spares. finally after a while, the inmate
             fellow spoke up and said, "you can take one lug off of the
             3 other tires" ... my uncle was delighted at the solution and
             bit surprised at the source ... and delicatly raised the issue
             about his incarceration in the asylum, to which the fellow said
             in a deadpan, "i'm crazy, not stupid."
             \_ I mean stupid in the ultimate sense of stupidity of massive
                killing of innocents.  I am not talking about technical,
                managerial, or inspirational skills.  Osama == stupid.
                \- i think the "massive killing of innocents" is better
                   characterized as "wrong" than "stupid".
                   \_ Evil is fundamentally stupid. -- ilyas
                     \_ "And now, Lone Star, you see why evil will always
                        triumph over good:  because good is dumb."  Evil is
                        not stupid, it is, well, evil.  But why all the
                        argumentation about semantics?  The overall "wrong-
                        ness" of certain individual goes beyond good or evil,
                        into the area of "mad dog who should be put down", not
                        out of any feelings of rancor, but on a purely
                        rational basis (i.e. if he's allowed to live, he'll
                        have another x,000 innocents killed.)  But then again,
                        I'm an elitist nazi, for what it's worth.  -John
                        \_ where's the hail german john guy? I see an
                           opportunity here...
                           \_ Yeah; I'm kind of worried, actually.  I hope
                              he's OK.  This was a freebie... -John
                              \_ hm still no sign of the hail john dude. John,
                                 what the hell did you do? Make death threats?
                   \_ eh, you're probably right, but I was coming at it
                      kind of from ilyas' angle.
                      \_ which proves you're wrong
2004/11/2 [Computer/Theory] UID:34525 Activity:low
11/1    So for the hallway problem, I get:
           sqrt((x^(1/3)y^(2/3) + x)^2 + (x^(2/3)y^(1/3) + y)^2)
        I might have made a mistake in my calculations somewhere, but
        the calculus looks so ugly that I doubt it's anything simple like
        (x + y)sqrt(2) like someone else guessed.
        \_ Now that I think about it, I'm more confident in this answer.
           If x = y, it simplifies down to 2x*sqrt(2), which is what one
           would expect.
                 \- that is correct, but my formula is nicer. the calculus
                    looks like high school calculus ... although i used a
                    computer to do some of the grunt math. but it's not like
                    you need to use the airy function or anything like that.
                    \_ The calculus is easy; it's just taking a derivative
                       to find extrema.  The algebra just makes it ugly,
                       though.
        \- i used maple to do some of the math quickly ... max len is
           [X^(2/3) + Y(2^3)]^3/2, with reasonable assumptions.
           Solution avail at: link:csua.org/u/9rg --danh
           Harder problems is: unit board/plank vertically flush against a
           veritcal wall. bottom begins to slide away ... at what point
           does the tip lose contact with the wall. [from klepner and
           kolenkow].
        \_ the problem is ill-stated.  we need to know the height of
           the halls as well (as anyone who has actually moved a large
           object up an interior stairway and landing would tell you).
           \- obviously the question is being asked in 2-d with a zero
              width rigid board.

[ MARS, bitch. ]
\_ I'm Rick James, bitch.
\_ I'm rich, bitch.
\_ I'm dead, bitch.
\_ What, me dead?  -Alfred E. Neuman
              \_  That's not obvious at all.  Anyone care to solve the
                  3d case?  I'm reminded of the sofa simulation in Dirk Gently's
                  Holistic Detective Agency.
                  \_ figure out how far you can tilt the board, finds its
                     dot product with the floor, and then solve the 2D case
                     for the effective length.  assuming the height is
                     not changing around the corner and the floor/wall/
                     ceiling interfaces are all right angles.
2004/11/2 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:34526 Activity:high
11/1    Gunman kills Dutch film director
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3974179.stm
        \_ Maybe more European societies will start having to have serious
           thoughts about essentially trying to handle an intractable, hostile
           minority with kid gloves.  The French already face this issue with
           Algerians, and the Germans with Turks (mind, this is not to imply
           that everyone from there is a big nasty, just that these are the
           main immigrant population groups serving as a basis for
           individuals who choose to identify themselves with them).  Euros
           historically have a serious guilt thing going when objectively
           discussing integration & western values--I get the impression that
           a lot of countries are just starting to come to terms that it's
           not an issue you can just hope will go away.  -John
           \_ If things continue as they are by the end of this century,
              Europe will no longer be Europe as we know it.  Western culture
              will be swamped by Middle Eastern and South Asian.  I believe
              this will be the first time in history that an entire people has
              allowed itself to be wiped out without losing a war.
           \_ Do you really think the Muslim minorities in Europe are
              so nasty and dangerous? I'm not so sure. I certainly don't
              see a general pattern of Muslim "hits" on prominant Euro
              targets. The last 2 prominant murders in Europe I can think
              of, Pym Fortun and that Swedish woman Lindt, were both pulled
              of by whities. Personally, I think the Turkish "problem" is
              already starting to right itself. Many Turks I encounter in
              Germany speak perfect German and outside of a few reactionary
              politicians, one doesn't really hear that much about Turks as
              a problem. Yes, some do maintain their religious customs, but
              they certainly don't seem to be trying to impose it on anyone
              else.
              \_ No, I don't think that at all--I thought I chose my wording
                 very carefully.  The problem is that there are groups of
                 immigrants that come from backgrounds which are socio-
                 culturally very different from the secular humanism of
                 Western Europe.  Many of them integrate very well, and bring
                 cool new ideas and changes with them; the problem is that
                 Europe, which doesn't have as good an experience with
                 integrating outsiders as the US, provides a tolerant
                 environment for individuals in those communities, who choose
                 not to integrate, to espouse and practice radical ideas.
                 I used Turks/Algerians as an example, but there are problems
                 with people from the Balkans, Eastern Europeans, etc.  Not
                 as a group per se, but as individuals who take ideas from
                 these cultures which are opposed to western ones, and bring
                 them into confrontation with their host culture, viz. ethnic
                 ghettoes in most countries here, fertile recruiting grounds
                 for islamic radicals in European mosques, etc.  As for trying
                 to impose "their" customs, this is mainly the case with
                 persons from these groups who might otherwise integrate
                 (think women who don't want to wear burqas) but a certain
                 degree of intolerance does spill over.  -John
                 \_ Oh, I gotcha -- I think the misunderstanding was in the
                    use of the word minority, which I took to mean
                    specifically Muslims in this context, but you meant it
                    more generally. What you say is resonable, though I think
                    the "tolerance" shown by, at least Germany, towards
                    minority groups in terms of letting them run their own
                    affairs they way they want to, is actually a
                    manifestation of a form of intolerance. I get the feeling
                    that Western European countries feel they have a moral
                    obligation to accept certain immigrants (making up for
                    the past, etc.), but their heart isn't really into it,
                    which is why they leave these groups alone, without much
                    effort to help them acculturate. I could be wrong, though.
                    \_ Actually they try pretty hard.  However, they don't
                        differentiate between who, for example, receives
                        welfare and for what, leading to tremendous abuse of
                        the system by people whose culture may have taught
                        them different permutations of right and wrong.  The
                        result is that there's (I think) a slow move to
                        treating newcomers with less tolerance, and telling
                        them to adapt or piss off, which I think is more than
                        fair.  One example of this is that voters here just
                        approved an initiative to deport illegal immigrants
                        who commit violent crimes.  "?!?"  -John
                        \_ I agree the governments in Europe try very hard,
                           but I was talking more about the "on the ground"
                           reaction of the people here. Of course, it's just
                           anecdotal, but I have the feeling that foreigners
                           here are treated more like outsiders (by the
                           populace) than they are in the US. Considering
                           that, I don't find it surprising that some don't
                           want to integrate. Plus, I think that the
                           governments need to get more sensible about what
                           they tolerate and what they don't tolerate. I
                           don't have a problem with the govn'ts saying,
                           "You need to behave this way," if it is something
                           sensible, but I don't see how, e.g., preventing
                           Muslims (and Jews) from wearing religous headgear
                           is going to help them integrate. They need to find
                           a way to let them integrate, while letting them
                           maintain some of their identity (if they chose to).
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:34527 Activity:insanely high
11/2    Vote early.. vote often!  Let's hope this isn't true:
                      \_ you can vote more than once?
                         \_ No, they kill you after you vote.
        "Before voting even began in Philadelphia -- poll watchers found
        nearly 2000 votes already planted on machines scattered throughout the
        city... One incident occurred at the SALVATION ARMY, 2601 N. 11th St.,
        Philadelphia, Pa: Ward 37, division 8... pollwatchers uncovered 4
        machines with planted votes; one with over 200 and one with nearly
        500... A second location, 1901 W. Girard Ave., Berean Institute,
        Philadelphia, Pa, had 300+ votes already on 2 machines at start of
        day... INCIDENT: 292 votes on machine at start of day; WARD/DIVISION:
        7/7: ADDRESS: 122 W. Erie Ave., Roberto Clemente School, Philadelphia,
        Pa.; INCIDENT: 456 votes on machine at start of day; WARD/DIVISION:
        12/3; ADDRESS: 5657 Chew Ave., storefront, Philadelphia, Pa... MORE...
        A gun was purposely made visible to scare poll watchers at Ward 30,
        division 11, at 905 S. 20th St., Grand Court. Police were called and
        surrounded the location..."
        \_ Source conveniently omitted.  So, has this been reported anywhere
           *other* than Drudge yet?  I notice that Drudge also doesn't bother
           to say where he got this information.  Maybe that's because he
           made it up...again.  http://www.drudgereport.com/vote1.htm
           \_ Yay, counterfactual Drudge strikes again!
        \_ It doesn't say who the votes were for?
        \_ http://www.drudgereport.com/vote1.htm is updated.  Kerry says it
           didn't happen at all.  Bush is suing.  Election official have an
           explanation for something that didn't happen.
           \_ Philadelphia city official says:
              "Recent press reports have stated that machines in at least one
              precinct were not properly calibrated to ensure an accurate
              accounting of the number of votes cast.
              "These allegations are completely unsubstantiated and have no
              factual basis whatsoever."
              \_ "Democratic party hack makes lame excuse: says sorry we got
                  busted and is now in major spin mode"
                  \_ Any "proof" besides the Drudge-i-nator?  He's not known for
                     his accuracy.
                     \_ Damn, dude, it's all over the place.  Point browser.
                        The question isn't whether or not something happened
                        but exactly what happened.
           \_ Woot! Kerry's adviser gives the motd response!
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:34528 Activity:kinda low 66%like:34249
11/2    VOTE!
        \_ Stay home if you're a clueless bastard that still has no idea
           what's going on after some of the most intensely active campaigning
           from both parties ever.
           \_ There's still time to learn enough to have some idea of who you'd
              prefer and vote.  Not that these people read the motd anyway.
              \_ At this point, on the morning of ED, they should just stay
                 home.  I don't care who they'd vote for.  Clueless people
                 should stay home.
                 \_ I hate to tell you this, but if clueless people stayed home,
                    the turnout would probably be in the 10 million or less
                    range.
                    \_ I'm totally ok with that.  What's wrong with that?  Does
                       having lots of stupid people voting mean we get a better
                       government?
                       \_ I don't think having a majority of overeducated,
                          self-important nitwits is all that desirable either,
                          you silly arrogant fuck.
                 \_ What about clueless people who made up their mind a long
                    time ago?
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:34529 Activity:high
11/2  Osama will bankrupt us, and the current administration will help:
      http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041102-073358-8320r.htm
        \_ Cool, OBL is taking a page from the Reagan vs. Soviet play book.
           Go Osama!  Go Kerry!
           \_ As if you current economics can even be affected like they
              were to such a backwards economy like the Soviet Union.
        \_ Why are you posting shit from that Moonie paper?  Stop posting
           garbage links.
        \_ I have wondered at times if Bush is in fact controlled by an
           enemy of America, out to ruin us, such as the Chinese.
2004/11/2 [Recreation/Music] UID:34530 Activity:nil
11/2    Question for you Rooskies:  I'm looking for Russian traditional
        choral music (sort of like from the soundtrack to Hunt for Red
        October, although I know that was composed for the film.)  I don't
        know much about it, but it sounds nice.  Any tips?  -John
        \_ Like the Pogues?  :-)
2004/11/2 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:34531 Activity:high
11/2    No wonder he turned suicide bomber.  Those 42 virgins are the only
        girlfriends he could ever hope of having.
        http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-11/02/content_2167359.htm
        \_ What 42 virgins are you talking about?  No such mentioning in the
           article.
           \_ I find your human humor highly illogical, Captain.
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/California, ERROR, uid:34532, category id '18005#8.1975' has no name! , ] UID:34532 Activity:high
11/2    Why Alaska's election matters:
        http://www.adn.com/front/story/5738106p-5671916c.html
        1) very very close U.S. senate race
        2) may soon become the first state where it is *totally* legal
           to grow, sell, use, and give away pot.
        \_ #2 is important because...?
2004/11/2 [Computer/Theory] UID:34533 Activity:nil
11/2    Which is hotter? http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=picture&id=1469
        Girl/Child molester on left: ..
        Girl on right:
        \_ What?  I see a picture of Ai Tominaga on our right and Hello Kitty
           on our left.
                \_ Improve brain, read more motd.
                   \_ who? what?    -brain
                   \_ Sorry, please enlighten me.  I still don't get it.
                      \_ Degrade brain, read more motd.
                      \_ *bzzzt* Illogical! Humor is Illogical! Positronic
                         brain overload! WARNING! WARNI-- *KA-BLAM*
2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34534 Activity:high
11/2    I voted, bitch!
        \_ So did I, Ho!
        \_ i stood in line for 45 fucking minutes. urg. absentee next time!
           \_ Really?  This early?  I went at 8:30 and there were only two
              people ahead of me in line.  Did you go at lunch?
              \_ Nope, 8:30, same as you, but in East San Jose.
        \_ Busy polls.  A good thing I think. -Kerryite
2004/11/2 [ERROR, uid:34535, category id '18005#8.11375' has no name! , ] UID:34535 Activity:nil
11/2    Josh Marshall has the AP story on the latest Drudge rumor:
        http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_10_31.php#003908
        \_ And he ends it with an accusation that it's the REPUBLICANS
           trying to litigate the election! w00t!
           \_ Aren't they?
              \_ The republicans didn't put together crack lawyer "SWAT
                 teams" with private jets to take of for any contested
                 state at the drop of a hat.
                 \_ Yes, they did.
2004/11/2 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:34536 Activity:nil
11/2    CNN - "Bush also played gin rummy with some advisers on each leg of
        the trip [between campaign stops today]."
        So, how many games did you think he won?
        How many games did his peons let him win? -troll
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/California, ERROR, uid:34537, category id '18005#2.16825' has no name! , ] UID:34537 Activity:high
11/2    http://storage.nfshost.com/bush
        this was awesome
        \_ Post that to freeperland
        \_ if you like this then you'll like these:
           http://tinyurl.com/5tt2y
           http://tinyurl.com/3sp7b
           link:tinyurl.com/44t4y
           \_ Actually I found these boring, even though I liked the op's link
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34538 Activity:high
11/2    Well in regret and sadness, I checked the latest polls and
        everything is looking towards a landslide to kerry,
          It looks like again a few states with just slim margin of
        victories are going to sinch the win for kerry.
          The silver lining is that the GOP does indeed look to finally
        gain a lead in the senate (I don't count that ass hole from
        arizona as a republican). Basically bush has been really hampered
        by the lack of a clear leading party in congress. So now with
        Kerry in the white house and a firmly republican congress, what
        is going to happen is that the congress is going to push through
        republican bills and Kerry will have no choice but to sign them
        exactly as Bush would do.
          Everyone will rejoice.... nothing will change. Bush will leave
        with a big FUCK YOU to the american demoncratic populace and will
        only hope that things continue down a road of increasing
        volatility. Now I didn't say increasing hostility, I mean
        volatility.
          There is a major change going on in the US. All those kids I grew
        up with, with attention spans of 3-5 second (the MTV generation),
        are gaining control. Ideals will change with the wind, and having
        someone like Kerry that supports that behavior is not what I like
        to see... but I don't care.
          Volatility brings opportunity. But my heart will indeed sink if
        bush doesn't pull this out. (btw I also think that the current
        increasing volatility in everything will continue under either
        regime and is brought on by 2 things - technology and the youth
        out there)
          hope all is well and hope everyone votes often, votes for as many
        of your friends who are not voting, votes in every state possible
        and most of all hope you all vote for Bush.  --kinney
        \_ Boy, you really bought into your own party's spin, didn't you?
           Honestly, I think it works best when senate and president don't
           align.  It means there has to be bi-partisan cooperation if they
           want anything to be signed by the pres.
           want anything to be signed by the pres.  I think you also SERIOUSLY
           underestimate the youth in our country -- a common maliase amongst
           old people that don't understand or can't accept change.
        \_ kinney, don't overwrite people!
         \_ where's the kinney police when you need him?
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34539 Activity:nil
11/2    Man, http://freerepublic.com is slow today!
        \_ My heart bleeds.
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34540 Activity:high
11/2    It's been fun.  Whatever happens tonight remember that we're all
        Americans.  We all have the country's best interest at heart.  We
        simply disagree on the path to follow.  No one is evil.  No one will
        bring down civilisation.  Someone will be elected and life will go on.
        Then we can do it all over again in 4 years.  You can thank the great
        wisdom of our nation's Founding Fathers for creating a system of checks
        and balances and short election cycles to minimise any damage from
        poor voter choices.  However it turns out we still have the best
        political system ever devised.  It isn't perfect but no one's ever
        done better.
        \_ Actually, the vast majority of the civilised world wants us to
           kick Dubya out.
           \_ Majority of uncivilized world too. -- ilyas
           \_ You forgot the fact that 1/2 of the US population is
              not civilized, that they are fanatics who
              believe that global warming is a myth, that gays and
              minorities are bad, that privatizing and trusting
              the corporation is much better than trusting the
              government, that if you are not with them then you are
              against them, that talks are for pussies (Reaganism--
              spend as much as necessary to defeat the evil), that if
              you don't make a vote that helps in their cause you will
              go to hell.
              \_ I would say a lot of Dubya-voters are afraid of what kind
                 of mess Kerry will get them into.  They are thinking:
                 At least with Dubya, there has not been a 9/11 repeat.
                 Kerry the liberal will just let in all the terrorists.
           \_ As China always say, we will not let foreign influence interfere
              with domestic politics.
              \_ You're joking right?  Go google for foreign lobbying groups
                 in the US, you'll find the Saudis, the English, etc all are
                 represented way more than you'll ever be in DC.
           \_ Heh, I always think it's funny when people site this as a
              point for Kerry.
              point for Kerry.                           \_ cite
2004/11/2 [Transportation] UID:34541 Activity:nil
11/2    Anyone have low profile tires?
        \_ I have 205/45/16's do they count?
2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34542 Activity:nil
11/2    For a bug report I'm filingI need an exmple of a ccTLD domain
        with a website that is configured correctly. What's a good example.
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic, Politics/Foreign] UID:34543 Activity:nil
11/2    I finally figured out how to find out the political
        slant of different news organizations. COLOR!!! Look at
        http://foxnews.com as the most obvious example.  It's very red...
        menus, icons, etc. It must be a RED neck right wing nut
        news corporation, something many people will agree to.  -troll
2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34544 Activity:nil 72%like:34572
11/2    /var/mail is full - clean 'yer shit up.
        \_ How do I turn off my mailspool while keeping the account?
           Particularly on OCF.
2004/11/2 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:34545 Activity:nil
11/2    Anyone have netflix or walmart DVD rental? What's the max you can
        get for each month? Specifically, what's the turn-around time if
        you get 3 DVDs each time and you drop it off in the mail the next
        morning? I am in the bay area. Thanks.
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34546 Activity:nil
11/2    mypolling{place|site}.com don't actually have maps of nearby polling
        places for me to drop off my absentee ballot.  Help?  This is for
        Manhattan Beach, CA.
        \_ http://lavote.net/locator
2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34547 Activity:nil
11/2    newsfeed via IRC.  check http://idlenet.org for servers.  #newsfeed
2004/11/2 [ERROR, uid:34548, category id '18005#16.585' has no name! , ] UID:34548 Activity:low
11/2    I like the musings of the http://electoral-vote.com guy on what would
        happen if there's no clear winner today, AND Renquist dies or
        is unable to fulfill his duties at the SC.  Then Bush appoints the
        judge, and the judge appoints Bush!  -- ilyas
        \_ You know, I actually find that rather horrifying.
           \_ I think a nice civil war, and a split into red and blue
              countries would do us all good. -- ilyas
              \_ There really are no red states or blue states.  There are
                 overwhelmingly democratic cities and overwhelmingly republican
                 suburban and rural areas.  Maybe a confederation of red
                 states and a set of disjoint liberal city states could
                 be imagined, though.
                 \_ Yeah I want to see some unarmed blues facing heavily
                    armed reds and scream "Gun control works - AGAINST YOU"
                    \_ We will fend you off with our falafels.
                 \_ Yeah, Limbaugh had a map of voting by county, most of
                    the country was red, except very few places on the coasts.
                    Any thoughts on the viability of the resulting states?
                    I can sort of see the confederation of rural rednecks doing
                    basically ok, though not as a superpower of the same
                    calibre as before.  I don't see a liberal city-state as
                    viable, consider SF for example.  -- ilyas
              \_ i think so too   --!ilyas
                 \_ Let's start with Iraq!
              \_ Does this mean you will be moving to alabama?
                 \_ I am thinking .ch is more likely than alabamer.
                      -- ilyas
                    \_ Well I know at least 3 people looking for experienced
                       infosec people... :)  -John
              \_ What, so we can kill all the liberals?  Most of the
                 Military comes from the Red states, and more reds own
                 guns.
                 \_ DiFi's been working on that.
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34549 Activity:kinda low
11/1    Damn this is a close race. Bush and Kerry are completely tied
        right now!
        \_ d00d, at least get the date right
                \_ oops
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34550 Activity:kinda low
11/02   OK, someone has to talk politics.  I'll start:  The Bush futures
        contracts have dropped 12 points today to 40.
        \_ What's the URL?
           \_ http://tinyurl.com/3p7w7
              Also: http://128.255.244.60/quotes/78.html
        \_ Not that it matters now, all motd and wall chatter is even more
           meaningless than usual (if that's even possible) but you might want
           to know that the better markets have been manipulated heavily
           before.  A 12 point drop based on no new information is rather
           remarkable.  Don't bet your house on it.
2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34551 Activity:nil
11/2    Ok, which of you killed http://tradesports.com?
2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34552 Activity:moderate
11/2    So, when do people think the first OFFICIAL exit polls will be
        available?
        \_ Only after polls have completely closed in entire states.  The
           first two states should start reporting at 4pm PST.
           \_ Then eastern states will have influence on other states.
              \_ Possibly but most states lockins at that point.  I doubt
                 many people will base their voting on what happens elsewhere
                 this time since it was so fubar in 2000.
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic] UID:34553 Activity:nil
11/2    What is the definition of liberal arts? Why is it called
        liberal arts and not conservative arts? I mean, does art
        automatically implies liberal?
        \_ From 'webster "liberal arts"':
           1 : the medieval studies comprising the trivium and quadrivium
           2 : the studies (as language, philosophy, history, literature,
           abstract science) in a college or university intended to provide
           chiefly general knowledge and to develop the general intellectual
           capacities (as reason and judgment) as opposed to professional or
           vocational skills
           \_ oh cool thanks. So liberals have chiefly general knowledge
              and have better intellectual capacities (as reason and
              judgement) than vocationally trained conservatives. YAY! -liberal
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34554 Activity:nil
11/2    I need to drop off my absentee ballot for the Alameda County.  Is
        Fremont the closest Alameda city to Sunnyvale (where I work)?  If so,
        where (URL's?) can I find the closest voting area to drop off my
        ballot?  Thanks.
        \_ Fremont is closest. Give the Registrar a call (510) 663-VOTE (8683)
           for a close polling place.
           http://www.co.alameda.ca.us/rov/faq.htm
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34555 Activity:high
11/2    I've never followed the election this closely. But apparently
        Bush is pretty ahead. Does that mean Bush will win in a landslide?
        \_ hey, it's Bush Landslide Guy!
           \_ Bush, Kaleeforneeyah, Landslide!
        \_ What you are seeing are results from states that are "Red".
           Wait until some of the "battle ground" states start to report
           results.
        \_ Current results are based on exit polls (4:55 pm CA).  Nothing so
           far has disagreed with the latest on http://electoral-vote.com (which had
           Kerry 262, Bush 261).
           \_ True, but that's not saying much since we've mostly tallied in
              states that are HEAVILY bush and offered little chance of
              surprise.
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic, Recreation/Sports] UID:34556 Activity:high
11/2    How many football nuts care more about the BCS polls than the
        election polls: .
        \_ This country doesn't afford you rights, it affords you
           responsibilities.
2004/11/2 [Recreation/Media] UID:34557 Activity:high
11/2    Anyone using netflix or another online DVD rental servie like
        walmart, I am interested to hear about how long the turn around
        time is. What's the max # of movies you can get in a month?
        \_ I've been using Netflix for about a year, and it's great.
           You tell them the top 10 movies you want to see, and they
           send you 3 of them; you can only keep 3 at a time, and when
           you send one back, upon receipt they send you another one
           immediately. Turn-around time is very impressive. One morning
           I sent back a movie, and later that day they sent me an email
           saying the next one ws on its way.
           \_ And you received it on the next day? or the day after that?
              You mean it's not guaranteed that they will have it?
              So if I get 3 and return 3 the next morning, I can get 6
              in a week? Is it possible to get 9 in a week?
           \_ I send them in on Monday.  They receive on Tuesday and ship
              new ones out.  I get them on Wednesday.  I'm in the Bay Area.
           \_ When I had Netflix I sent them in on Monday, they get it on Wed.
              Then I'd get new ones back Fri or Sat.  I'm in SJ.
              \_ If that's true then it's too long of a turn around time for
                 me. So I only get 3 each week, which is about 13 a month.
                 I am thinking about the blockbuster one, 2 every day, which
                 comes out to be 60 a month, for $24. For 2 months, I'll have
                 120 movie collections.
                 \_ Are you just ripping them?  12 a month was plent for me.
                    There really aren't that many movies worth watching.
                    \_ Yes I am ripping them. I want to have some of the must
                       have movies for the past 10+ years. Actually I am having
                       more run ripping them than watching them, hehe.
2004/11/2 [Recreation/Dating] UID:34558 Activity:nil
11/2    What's up with spam with date fields that look like:
        DATE: [[ <BC><F6>, 03 11 2004 <BF><C0><C0><FC> 9:01:14 ]]
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34559 Activity:nil
11/2    4pm on the dot
        "CNN projects Bush wins in Indiana, Kentucky and Georgia, Kerry wins
        in Vermont."
        \_ "CNN predicts that 2+2=4!  Maybe!  More are 7."
2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34560 Activity:nil
11/2    Any tips or urls about getting logwatch to not mail me so much
        stuff.  e.g. I want to monitor "secure", but I don't want to be
        notified everytime I add or delete the "test" user.  clue please?
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34561 Activity:nil
11/2    So it took Bush less than 5 minutes to vote? wtf? It took me
        over 10 minutes just to read through all the questions. What did
        he do? Just voted for himself as the president and skipped the
        rest of the question? Does that sounds like someone qualifying
        to lead a country? Yeah, I stand firmly behind my 5 minute
        decisions!!
        \_ Most states don't have a bunch of propositions on the ballot like
           CA always does.
        \_ Maybe you're just slow. It took me about 3-5 minutes to vote. What's to
           read? Props are yes/no and the rest is just finding the name you want
           on the ballot.
        \_ He had a cheat sheet.
           \_ Don't a lot of people write down their choices on the sample
              ballot before they get to the polls?
        \_ And how long did it take Kerry to vote?
           \_ 20 minutes.  He kept flip-flopping between himself and Nader.
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic] UID:34562 Activity:nil
11/2    One week after the elections.  what will the motd talk about?
        \_ Sex.
        \_ Uhm, the election maybe?
2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34563 Activity:moderate
11/2    The motd's been quiet today.  Let's do our own exit poll:
        (Adding select Propositions too... + for Yes, - for No)
        Kerry: ..........
        Bush: ..
        66 (3 Strikes): +-++---++--+
        68 (Gaming)   : --+---------
        69 (DNA)      : +++-+-+-----
        70 (Gaming)   : ------------
        71 (stem cell): +-+-+++-+---
        \_ AAA! Bush and Kerry are neck-to-neck on the motd too!
        66 (3 Strikes): +-++---++-
        \_ does + mean yes? Criminals needs to be where they belong!! In
           the jail and not on the streets.
           \_ Arnie's radio ad was hilarious
              + means reform three strikes.  If you voted you would know.
        68 (Gaming)   : --+-------
        69 (DNA)      : +++-+-+---
        70 (Gaming)   : ----------
        71 (stem cell): +-+-+++-+-
        \_ Wow, people actually voted for 68 and 71?  I thought those were
           such obvious shams, no one would.
                \_ You don't have much experience with people do you. -phuqm
        \_ whoops, i just overwrote someone. sorry.
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34564 Activity:high
11/2    Wouldn't it be funny if Bush won the popular vote but lost the
        electoral vote?  How would the Right Wing Spin Machine handle that?
        \_ With wailing an gnashing of teeth?  I don't know, I wouldn't
           mind. -voted for Bush
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34565 Activity:nil
11/2    5pm, on the dot, re-posting what tom walled:
        CNN calls IL, MD, NJ, CT, Mass, ME for Kerry
        TN, AL, OK for Bush
2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34566 Activity:high
1/2     Oh fuck, Bush is ahead with 102, ^%@$#^%@#@Q!!
        \_ Rural places tend to vote Bush. Rural places also have less
           votes to count so they'll report early. Things might tip as
           the night progress.
        \_ get a clue.  did you really expect Kerry to win Alabama?
           \_ Makes you wish we had let the Confederates secede, huh?
              \_ Daily Bruin editorial today:
                 "If Kerry cannot succeed, CA must secede."  For once,
                 I agree. -- ilyas
        \_ If you have TX for Bush and CA for Kerry then it is almost even.
           \_ but Bush is ahead in FL with over 50% reporting, and may
              get OH.
              \_ Independents are breaking 3-2 for kerry in FL.  It's gonna
                 be tight.  In OH, kerry's leading in exits.
                 \_ Dubya is leading in Florida by 270,000 votes, with
                    67% of precincts reporting.  May not be that tight.
                    Democrats may have gotten margin-of-error'd in the exit
                    polls there.
                    \_ Populist precincts in FL report last though. -- ilyas
                       \_ It's now 76% of precincts reporting, and the
                          lead is now 264,000 votes, you know what I'm saying?
                          If I were Fox News, I'd call FL now.
2004/11/2-3 [Uncategorized] UID:34567 Activity:moderate
11/2    Four more years !??
2004/11/2-3 [Uncategorized] UID:34568 Activity:nil 66%like:33536
11/2    The election is over. It's all over. I'm depressed.
2004/11/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34569 Activity:high
11/2    with 95% reporting in florida, how come it hasn't been called yet?
        bush is up like 300k votes.
        \_ Where are you guys seeing this stuff?  URL?
2004/11/2-3 [ERROR, uid:34570, category id '18005#14.085' has no name! , ] UID:34570 Activity:high
11/2    Whoever carries OH wins. -- ilyas
        \_ Looks like Bush is going to win. You know, http://electoral-vote.com is
           waaaay off. Dumb ass Tanenbaum.
           \_ Give the guy a break, polls are very unreliable.
              Even exit polls (heh).  My theory on FL is that FL is actually
              a republican state (all the old folks running out the clock,
              maybe), and the close results from last time stimulated a huge
              turnout which accurately reflects actual demographics.  You
              can't really attribute a 300k lead to Jeb's shenanigans. -- ilyas
2004/11/2-3 [Uncategorized] UID:34571 Activity:high
11/2    Why is this motd so empty?
        \_ It is only relatively empty when you consider your ingrained
           sociocultural preconceptions.  -Jacques Derrida
2004/11/2-27 [Uncategorized] UID:34572 Activity:high 72%like:34544
11/27   /var/mail is 100% full again - clean up yer shit!
        \_ If I were Indian I'd have an untouchable do it.
2004/11/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34573 Activity:moderate
11/2    "If Bush wins, this country is filled with a lot more pigfucking
        inbred moronic loser bible-thumping assholes than I originally
        thought."
        Mmm.  Tolerance.
        \_ That's just dumb anyway.  Sure, Bush is about to win solidly, but
           it's still within the margin of error of the polls we've all been
           watching for weeks, so where's the suprise?
        \_ The Dems will continue to struggle until they realize why some
           people see this as unjustified elitist bullshit. 'Know your
           enemy and keep him close.' --Kerry voter
           \_ Yeah I agree.  Watching wall tonight was both fun and revealing
              for me.  -- ilyas
              \_ 'Rednecks' in Louisiana voted for their first Republican
                 senator since Recontruction. Think about that next time
                 you call them 'pigfuckers'. California is the state that
                 voted for Pete Wilson and Ronald Reagan!
                 \_ The 'Southern Democrat' isn't what you conceptualize as a
                    California or New York Democrat.  This statement shows that
                    you really don't much understand the South.
                    \_ The fact that Pete Wilson was a Republican senator
                       and later governor (who went to UC Berkeley!) shows
                       you don't understand anything at all. The very fact
                       that a Southern Democrat is different is the point
                       I am illustrating! Likewise, so is a California
                       Republican (see: Arnold). No one wants a New England
                       liberal! GWB is *soooo* much better than a Southern
                       Democrat, huh?
                 \- yes, i suppose in the edwin edwards vs david duke
                    they made the "right choice". however, a state that
                    nominates duke ...
        \_ Fuck you.  We will have 4 more years of this country going down
           the toilet that's why I walled that.  If seeing massive deficits
           with no end in sight, universal hatred of our country, erosion
           of civil liberties, weakening of environment protections, crony
           capitalism running amok, chaos and instability in the world, etc.,
           makes me "elitist" then you can call me that.  At least all the
           bad shit Bush is going to put into motion the next 4 years won't
           make me feel guilty since I didn't vote for him.  Plus I've got
           another country to move to if this whole deck of cards known as
           the US economy collapses. - eric
           the US economy collapses.   Oh BTWM, just for the record, I'm
           equally annoyed at the extremists on the other side, you know,
           the pseudo-intellectual surrender monkey pussies who think that
           the proper reaction to 9/11 was to send a basket of flowers to
           bin Laden and that we should give communism just one more chance
           ... It's just that there are a lot more of the former than the
           latter in this country, you know it's true - eric
           \_ Eric, don't take this the wrong way, but you come across as a
              ranty, intolerant, close-minded bigot.  That the liberal
              movement has come to be defined by people like you is why you
              lost at the polls yesterday, and why you will lose again and
              again.
                \_ Hey, I know I'm way out of the American mainstream, and
                   you can attack me personally if you wish.  But at least
                   give me some credit for caring about the state of the
                   country.
                   \_ You may care about the country, but if you insult its
                      majority in the way you do, your care seems a little
                      cold and distant and abstract.  It's the people, not the
                      country, that are important.
                        \_ I never said the majority of the country were
                           "pigfucking inbred moronic loser bible-thumping
                            assholes" ... Although I do believe that group
                            is much more likely to vote Bush than Kerry.
                            is much more likely to vote Bush than Kerry. -eric
2004/11/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34574 Activity:moderate 66%like:31021
11/2    I am depressed. Fuck!
        \_ move to Canada. It is a civilized country.
        \_ well you shouldn't have nominated a buttfuck like Kerry
           \_ Seriously, you only have yourselves to blame.  This should
              have been an EASY victory.  Few people really LIKE Bush.
              But you nominated El Douchebag.
              \_ Why is he a douchebag?  Do you even have an answer, or are you
                 just puking back your party's spin mindlessly?
              \_ a year ago everyone was talking about how Bush was
                 inevitable.  Just because Kerry got way slimed doesn't
                 mean he is a douchebag.
              \_ Why is he a douchebag?  Do you even have an answer, or are
                 you just puking back your party's spin mindlessly?
                 \_ You expect a serious answer while calling Bush Chimpy?
                    Douchebag for Kerry is a lot more believable.
                    \_ Uhm, huh?  I've never called Bush 'chimpy'.  I abhor
                       his politics, and can give a lengthy answer why (which
                       seems to be far better than you're able to do).
                    \_ Looks like the turd is going to win.
                 \_ I've never heard a Republican call Kerry a douchebag.
                    I formed that opinion by watching him.  I answered
                    this question once before in more detail, look it up.
                    \_ Yeahhh.  Seeing as you don't sign your posts, that's
                       a pretty useless and empty answer.
                 \_ Mainly because of his personality, and his career as a
                    relatively undistinguished and uninteresting politician.
                    Kerry just didn't bring much to the table, just the Vietnam
                    crap which in the end probably isn't important. It actually
                    shifted a lot of limelight away from relevant issues and
                    onto tired Vietnam angst, and the scrutiny put him on the
                    defense. Kerry's campaign was unable to stay on message, and
                    his Iraq war talk wasn't credible due to his voting record.
                    I don't have any reason to like him other than that he
                    generically represented the Bush opposition. --Dean guy
              \_ few people in California. But the Confederate states adore
                 Bush. And the US is 1/2 Confederate rednecks. What do you
                 expect?
                 \_ we were referring to the primaries
@
2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34575 Activity:nil
11/2    Uh, when does the recount begin?
2004/11/2-3 [Uncategorized] UID:34576 Activity:very high 57%like:34599
11/2    The bus for Canada is leaving in 15 minutes.  Don't be late!
        \_ so where can I purchase the tix?
2004/11/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34577 Activity:nil
11/2    "Yeehaw! Bush is re-elected!"
        look at the Union/Confederate states:
        http://www2.lhric.org/pocantico/civilwar/map.htm
        Don't they resemble the current Democrat/Republican states?
2004/11/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:34578 Activity:high 57%like:33227
11/2    There was no terrorist attack!
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