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 2004/11/2 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:34523 Activity:very high 11/1 You know what I think? The Israelis somehow injected a weird untraceable virus into Arafat. It's too sudden to be natural: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/arafat.health.ap/index.html \_ Why bother with untraceability? Israelis are going to be blamed regardless. \_ Probably has AIDS... \_ Camels carry AIDS? \_ Lovely, lovely. \_ So a very old guy who has had a very stressful life falls ill and it is the Jews' fault? I'm not surprised you would blame the Jews. The Nazis, the Soviets, the Spanish Inquisitors, the radical Islamic fascists and many others have blamed the Jews for their own problems over the course of time. You're in good company. \_ Bush did it!
 2004/11/2 [Computer/Theory] UID:34525 Activity:low 11/1 So for the hallway problem, I get: sqrt((x^(1/3)y^(2/3) + x)^2 + (x^(2/3)y^(1/3) + y)^2) I might have made a mistake in my calculations somewhere, but the calculus looks so ugly that I doubt it's anything simple like (x + y)sqrt(2) like someone else guessed. \_ Now that I think about it, I'm more confident in this answer. If x = y, it simplifies down to 2x*sqrt(2), which is what one would expect. \- that is correct, but my formula is nicer. the calculus looks like high school calculus ... although i used a computer to do some of the grunt math. but it's not like you need to use the airy function or anything like that. \_ The calculus is easy; it's just taking a derivative to find extrema. The algebra just makes it ugly, though. \- i used maple to do some of the math quickly ... max len is [X^(2/3) + Y(2^3)]^3/2, with reasonable assumptions. Solution avail at: link:csua.org/u/9rg --danh Harder problems is: unit board/plank vertically flush against a veritcal wall. bottom begins to slide away ... at what point does the tip lose contact with the wall. [from klepner and kolenkow]. \_ the problem is ill-stated. we need to know the height of the halls as well (as anyone who has actually moved a large object up an interior stairway and landing would tell you). \- obviously the question is being asked in 2-d with a zero width rigid board. [ MARS, bitch. ] \_ I'm Rick James, bitch. \_ I'm rich, bitch. \_ I'm dead, bitch. \_ What, me dead? -Alfred E. Neuman \_ That's not obvious at all. Anyone care to solve the 3d case? I'm reminded of the sofa simulation in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. \_ figure out how far you can tilt the board, finds its dot product with the floor, and then solve the 2D case for the effective length. assuming the height is not changing around the corner and the floor/wall/ ceiling interfaces are all right angles.
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:34528 Activity:kinda low 66%like:34249 11/2 VOTE! \_ Stay home if you're a clueless bastard that still has no idea what's going on after some of the most intensely active campaigning from both parties ever. \_ There's still time to learn enough to have some idea of who you'd prefer and vote. Not that these people read the motd anyway. \_ At this point, on the morning of ED, they should just stay home. I don't care who they'd vote for. Clueless people should stay home. \_ I hate to tell you this, but if clueless people stayed home, the turnout would probably be in the 10 million or less range. \_ I'm totally ok with that. What's wrong with that? Does having lots of stupid people voting mean we get a better government? \_ I don't think having a majority of overeducated, self-important nitwits is all that desirable either, you silly arrogant fuck. \_ What about clueless people who made up their mind a long time ago?
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:34529 Activity:high 11/2 Osama will bankrupt us, and the current administration will help: http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041102-073358-8320r.htm \_ Cool, OBL is taking a page from the Reagan vs. Soviet play book. Go Osama! Go Kerry! \_ As if you current economics can even be affected like they were to such a backwards economy like the Soviet Union. \_ Why are you posting shit from that Moonie paper? Stop posting garbage links. \_ I have wondered at times if Bush is in fact controlled by an enemy of America, out to ruin us, such as the Chinese.
 2004/11/2 [Recreation/Music] UID:34530 Activity:nil 11/2 Question for you Rooskies: I'm looking for Russian traditional choral music (sort of like from the soundtrack to Hunt for Red October, although I know that was composed for the film.) I don't know much about it, but it sounds nice. Any tips? -John \_ Like the Pogues? :-)
 2004/11/2 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:34531 Activity:high 11/2 No wonder he turned suicide bomber. Those 42 virgins are the only girlfriends he could ever hope of having. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-11/02/content_2167359.htm \_ What 42 virgins are you talking about? No such mentioning in the article. \_ I find your human humor highly illogical, Captain.
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/California, ERROR, uid:34532, category id '18005#8.1975' has no name! , ] UID:34532 Activity:high 11/2 Why Alaska's election matters: http://www.adn.com/front/story/5738106p-5671916c.html 1) very very close U.S. senate race 2) may soon become the first state where it is *totally* legal to grow, sell, use, and give away pot. \_ #2 is important because...?
 2004/11/2 [Computer/Theory] UID:34533 Activity:nil 11/2 Which is hotter? http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=picture&id=1469 Girl/Child molester on left: .. Girl on right: \_ What? I see a picture of Ai Tominaga on our right and Hello Kitty on our left. \_ Improve brain, read more motd. \_ who? what? -brain \_ Sorry, please enlighten me. I still don't get it. \_ Degrade brain, read more motd. \_ *bzzzt* Illogical! Humor is Illogical! Positronic brain overload! WARNING! WARNI-- *KA-BLAM*
 2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34534 Activity:high 11/2 I voted, bitch! \_ So did I, Ho! \_ i stood in line for 45 fucking minutes. urg. absentee next time! \_ Really? This early? I went at 8:30 and there were only two people ahead of me in line. Did you go at lunch? \_ Nope, 8:30, same as you, but in East San Jose. \_ Busy polls. A good thing I think. -Kerryite
 2004/11/2 [ERROR, uid:34535, category id '18005#8.11375' has no name! , ] UID:34535 Activity:nil 11/2 Josh Marshall has the AP story on the latest Drudge rumor: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_10_31.php#003908 \_ And he ends it with an accusation that it's the REPUBLICANS trying to litigate the election! w00t! \_ Aren't they? \_ The republicans didn't put together crack lawyer "SWAT teams" with private jets to take of for any contested state at the drop of a hat. \_ Yes, they did.
 2004/11/2 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:34536 Activity:nil 11/2 CNN - "Bush also played gin rummy with some advisers on each leg of the trip [between campaign stops today]." So, how many games did you think he won? How many games did his peons let him win? -troll
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/California, ERROR, uid:34537, category id '18005#2.16825' has no name! , ] UID:34537 Activity:high 11/2 http://storage.nfshost.com/bush this was awesome \_ Post that to freeperland \_ if you like this then you'll like these: http://tinyurl.com/5tt2y http://tinyurl.com/3sp7b link:tinyurl.com/44t4y \_ Actually I found these boring, even though I liked the op's link
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34538 Activity:high 11/2 Well in regret and sadness, I checked the latest polls and everything is looking towards a landslide to kerry, It looks like again a few states with just slim margin of victories are going to sinch the win for kerry. The silver lining is that the GOP does indeed look to finally gain a lead in the senate (I don't count that ass hole from arizona as a republican). Basically bush has been really hampered by the lack of a clear leading party in congress. So now with Kerry in the white house and a firmly republican congress, what is going to happen is that the congress is going to push through republican bills and Kerry will have no choice but to sign them exactly as Bush would do. Everyone will rejoice.... nothing will change. Bush will leave with a big FUCK YOU to the american demoncratic populace and will only hope that things continue down a road of increasing volatility. Now I didn't say increasing hostility, I mean volatility. There is a major change going on in the US. All those kids I grew up with, with attention spans of 3-5 second (the MTV generation), are gaining control. Ideals will change with the wind, and having someone like Kerry that supports that behavior is not what I like to see... but I don't care. Volatility brings opportunity. But my heart will indeed sink if bush doesn't pull this out. (btw I also think that the current increasing volatility in everything will continue under either regime and is brought on by 2 things - technology and the youth out there) hope all is well and hope everyone votes often, votes for as many of your friends who are not voting, votes in every state possible and most of all hope you all vote for Bush. --kinney \_ Boy, you really bought into your own party's spin, didn't you? Honestly, I think it works best when senate and president don't align. It means there has to be bi-partisan cooperation if they want anything to be signed by the pres. want anything to be signed by the pres. I think you also SERIOUSLY underestimate the youth in our country -- a common maliase amongst old people that don't understand or can't accept change. \_ kinney, don't overwrite people! \_ where's the kinney police when you need him?
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34539 Activity:nil 11/2 Man, http://freerepublic.com is slow today! \_ My heart bleeds.
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34540 Activity:high 11/2 It's been fun. Whatever happens tonight remember that we're all Americans. We all have the country's best interest at heart. We simply disagree on the path to follow. No one is evil. No one will bring down civilisation. Someone will be elected and life will go on. Then we can do it all over again in 4 years. You can thank the great wisdom of our nation's Founding Fathers for creating a system of checks and balances and short election cycles to minimise any damage from poor voter choices. However it turns out we still have the best political system ever devised. It isn't perfect but no one's ever done better. \_ Actually, the vast majority of the civilised world wants us to kick Dubya out. \_ Majority of uncivilized world too. -- ilyas \_ You forgot the fact that 1/2 of the US population is not civilized, that they are fanatics who believe that global warming is a myth, that gays and minorities are bad, that privatizing and trusting the corporation is much better than trusting the government, that if you are not with them then you are against them, that talks are for pussies (Reaganism-- spend as much as necessary to defeat the evil), that if you don't make a vote that helps in their cause you will go to hell. \_ I would say a lot of Dubya-voters are afraid of what kind of mess Kerry will get them into. They are thinking: At least with Dubya, there has not been a 9/11 repeat. Kerry the liberal will just let in all the terrorists. \_ As China always say, we will not let foreign influence interfere with domestic politics. \_ You're joking right? Go google for foreign lobbying groups in the US, you'll find the Saudis, the English, etc all are represented way more than you'll ever be in DC. \_ Heh, I always think it's funny when people site this as a point for Kerry. point for Kerry. \_ cite
 2004/11/2 [Transportation] UID:34541 Activity:nil 11/2 Anyone have low profile tires? \_ I have 205/45/16's do they count?
 2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34542 Activity:nil 11/2 For a bug report I'm filingI need an exmple of a ccTLD domain with a website that is configured correctly. What's a good example.
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic, Politics/Foreign] UID:34543 Activity:nil 11/2 I finally figured out how to find out the political slant of different news organizations. COLOR!!! Look at http://foxnews.com as the most obvious example. It's very red... menus, icons, etc. It must be a RED neck right wing nut news corporation, something many people will agree to. -troll
 2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34544 Activity:nil 72%like:34572 11/2 /var/mail is full - clean 'yer shit up. \_ How do I turn off my mailspool while keeping the account? Particularly on OCF.
 2004/11/2 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:34545 Activity:nil 11/2 Anyone have netflix or walmart DVD rental? What's the max you can get for each month? Specifically, what's the turn-around time if you get 3 DVDs each time and you drop it off in the mail the next morning? I am in the bay area. Thanks.
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34546 Activity:nil 11/2 mypolling{place|site}.com don't actually have maps of nearby polling places for me to drop off my absentee ballot. Help? This is for Manhattan Beach, CA. \_ http://lavote.net/locator
 2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34547 Activity:nil 11/2 newsfeed via IRC. check http://idlenet.org for servers. #newsfeed
 2004/11/2 [ERROR, uid:34548, category id '18005#16.585' has no name! , ] UID:34548 Activity:low 11/2 I like the musings of the http://electoral-vote.com guy on what would happen if there's no clear winner today, AND Renquist dies or is unable to fulfill his duties at the SC. Then Bush appoints the judge, and the judge appoints Bush! -- ilyas \_ You know, I actually find that rather horrifying. \_ I think a nice civil war, and a split into red and blue countries would do us all good. -- ilyas \_ There really are no red states or blue states. There are overwhelmingly democratic cities and overwhelmingly republican suburban and rural areas. Maybe a confederation of red states and a set of disjoint liberal city states could be imagined, though. \_ Yeah I want to see some unarmed blues facing heavily armed reds and scream "Gun control works - AGAINST YOU" \_ We will fend you off with our falafels. \_ Yeah, Limbaugh had a map of voting by county, most of the country was red, except very few places on the coasts. Any thoughts on the viability of the resulting states? I can sort of see the confederation of rural rednecks doing basically ok, though not as a superpower of the same calibre as before. I don't see a liberal city-state as viable, consider SF for example. -- ilyas \_ i think so too --!ilyas \_ Let's start with Iraq! \_ Does this mean you will be moving to alabama? \_ I am thinking .ch is more likely than alabamer. -- ilyas \_ Well I know at least 3 people looking for experienced infosec people... :) -John \_ What, so we can kill all the liberals? Most of the Military comes from the Red states, and more reds own guns. \_ DiFi's been working on that.
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34549 Activity:kinda low 11/1 Damn this is a close race. Bush and Kerry are completely tied right now! \_ d00d, at least get the date right \_ oops
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34550 Activity:kinda low 11/02 OK, someone has to talk politics. I'll start: The Bush futures contracts have dropped 12 points today to 40. \_ What's the URL? \_ http://tinyurl.com/3p7w7 Also: http://128.255.244.60/quotes/78.html \_ Not that it matters now, all motd and wall chatter is even more meaningless than usual (if that's even possible) but you might want to know that the better markets have been manipulated heavily before. A 12 point drop based on no new information is rather remarkable. Don't bet your house on it.
 2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34551 Activity:nil 11/2 Ok, which of you killed http://tradesports.com?
 2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34552 Activity:moderate 11/2 So, when do people think the first OFFICIAL exit polls will be available? \_ Only after polls have completely closed in entire states. The first two states should start reporting at 4pm PST. \_ Then eastern states will have influence on other states. \_ Possibly but most states lockins at that point. I doubt many people will base their voting on what happens elsewhere this time since it was so fubar in 2000.
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic] UID:34553 Activity:nil 11/2 What is the definition of liberal arts? Why is it called liberal arts and not conservative arts? I mean, does art automatically implies liberal? \_ From 'webster "liberal arts"': 1 : the medieval studies comprising the trivium and quadrivium 2 : the studies (as language, philosophy, history, literature, abstract science) in a college or university intended to provide chiefly general knowledge and to develop the general intellectual capacities (as reason and judgment) as opposed to professional or vocational skills \_ oh cool thanks. So liberals have chiefly general knowledge and have better intellectual capacities (as reason and judgement) than vocationally trained conservatives. YAY! -liberal
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34554 Activity:nil 11/2 I need to drop off my absentee ballot for the Alameda County. Is Fremont the closest Alameda city to Sunnyvale (where I work)? If so, where (URL's?) can I find the closest voting area to drop off my ballot? Thanks. \_ Fremont is closest. Give the Registrar a call (510) 663-VOTE (8683) for a close polling place. http://www.co.alameda.ca.us/rov/faq.htm
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34555 Activity:high 11/2 I've never followed the election this closely. But apparently Bush is pretty ahead. Does that mean Bush will win in a landslide? \_ hey, it's Bush Landslide Guy! \_ Bush, Kaleeforneeyah, Landslide! \_ What you are seeing are results from states that are "Red". Wait until some of the "battle ground" states start to report results. \_ Current results are based on exit polls (4:55 pm CA). Nothing so far has disagreed with the latest on http://electoral-vote.com (which had Kerry 262, Bush 261). \_ True, but that's not saying much since we've mostly tallied in states that are HEAVILY bush and offered little chance of surprise.
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic, Recreation/Sports] UID:34556 Activity:high 11/2 How many football nuts care more about the BCS polls than the election polls: . \_ This country doesn't afford you rights, it affords you responsibilities.
 2004/11/2 [Recreation/Media] UID:34557 Activity:high 11/2 Anyone using netflix or another online DVD rental servie like walmart, I am interested to hear about how long the turn around time is. What's the max # of movies you can get in a month? \_ I've been using Netflix for about a year, and it's great. You tell them the top 10 movies you want to see, and they send you 3 of them; you can only keep 3 at a time, and when you send one back, upon receipt they send you another one immediately. Turn-around time is very impressive. One morning I sent back a movie, and later that day they sent me an email saying the next one ws on its way. \_ And you received it on the next day? or the day after that? You mean it's not guaranteed that they will have it? So if I get 3 and return 3 the next morning, I can get 6 in a week? Is it possible to get 9 in a week? \_ I send them in on Monday. They receive on Tuesday and ship new ones out. I get them on Wednesday. I'm in the Bay Area. \_ When I had Netflix I sent them in on Monday, they get it on Wed. Then I'd get new ones back Fri or Sat. I'm in SJ. \_ If that's true then it's too long of a turn around time for me. So I only get 3 each week, which is about 13 a month. I am thinking about the blockbuster one, 2 every day, which comes out to be 60 a month, for \$24. For 2 months, I'll have 120 movie collections. \_ Are you just ripping them? 12 a month was plent for me. There really aren't that many movies worth watching. \_ Yes I am ripping them. I want to have some of the must have movies for the past 10+ years. Actually I am having more run ripping them than watching them, hehe.
 2004/11/2 [Recreation/Dating] UID:34558 Activity:nil 11/2 What's up with spam with date fields that look like: DATE: [[ , 03 11 2004 9:01:14 ]]
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34559 Activity:nil 11/2 4pm on the dot "CNN projects Bush wins in Indiana, Kentucky and Georgia, Kerry wins in Vermont." \_ "CNN predicts that 2+2=4! Maybe! More are 7."
 2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34560 Activity:nil 11/2 Any tips or urls about getting logwatch to not mail me so much stuff. e.g. I want to monitor "secure", but I don't want to be notified everytime I add or delete the "test" user. clue please?
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34561 Activity:nil 11/2 So it took Bush less than 5 minutes to vote? wtf? It took me over 10 minutes just to read through all the questions. What did he do? Just voted for himself as the president and skipped the rest of the question? Does that sounds like someone qualifying to lead a country? Yeah, I stand firmly behind my 5 minute decisions!! \_ Most states don't have a bunch of propositions on the ballot like CA always does. \_ Maybe you're just slow. It took me about 3-5 minutes to vote. What's to read? Props are yes/no and the rest is just finding the name you want on the ballot. \_ He had a cheat sheet. \_ Don't a lot of people write down their choices on the sample ballot before they get to the polls? \_ And how long did it take Kerry to vote? \_ 20 minutes. He kept flip-flopping between himself and Nader.
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic] UID:34562 Activity:nil 11/2 One week after the elections. what will the motd talk about? \_ Sex. \_ Uhm, the election maybe?
 2004/11/2 [Uncategorized] UID:34563 Activity:moderate 11/2 The motd's been quiet today. Let's do our own exit poll: (Adding select Propositions too... + for Yes, - for No) Kerry: .......... Bush: .. 66 (3 Strikes): +-++---++--+ 68 (Gaming) : --+--------- 69 (DNA) : +++-+-+----- 70 (Gaming) : ------------ 71 (stem cell): +-+-+++-+--- \_ AAA! Bush and Kerry are neck-to-neck on the motd too! 66 (3 Strikes): +-++---++- \_ does + mean yes? Criminals needs to be where they belong!! In the jail and not on the streets. \_ Arnie's radio ad was hilarious + means reform three strikes. If you voted you would know. 68 (Gaming) : --+------- 69 (DNA) : +++-+-+--- 70 (Gaming) : ---------- 71 (stem cell): +-+-+++-+- \_ Wow, people actually voted for 68 and 71? I thought those were such obvious shams, no one would. \_ You don't have much experience with people do you. -phuqm \_ whoops, i just overwrote someone. sorry.
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34564 Activity:high 11/2 Wouldn't it be funny if Bush won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote? How would the Right Wing Spin Machine handle that? \_ With wailing an gnashing of teeth? I don't know, I wouldn't mind. -voted for Bush
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34565 Activity:nil 11/2 5pm, on the dot, re-posting what tom walled: CNN calls IL, MD, NJ, CT, Mass, ME for Kerry TN, AL, OK for Bush
 2004/11/2 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34566 Activity:high 1/2 Oh fuck, Bush is ahead with 102, ^%@\$#^%@#@Q!! \_ Rural places tend to vote Bush. Rural places also have less votes to count so they'll report early. Things might tip as the night progress. \_ get a clue. did you really expect Kerry to win Alabama? \_ Makes you wish we had let the Confederates secede, huh? \_ Daily Bruin editorial today: "If Kerry cannot succeed, CA must secede." For once, I agree. -- ilyas \_ If you have TX for Bush and CA for Kerry then it is almost even. \_ but Bush is ahead in FL with over 50% reporting, and may get OH. \_ Independents are breaking 3-2 for kerry in FL. It's gonna be tight. In OH, kerry's leading in exits. \_ Dubya is leading in Florida by 270,000 votes, with 67% of precincts reporting. May not be that tight. Democrats may have gotten margin-of-error'd in the exit polls there. \_ Populist precincts in FL report last though. -- ilyas \_ It's now 76% of precincts reporting, and the lead is now 264,000 votes, you know what I'm saying? If I were Fox News, I'd call FL now.
 2004/11/2-3 [Uncategorized] UID:34567 Activity:moderate 11/2 Four more years !??
 2004/11/2-3 [Uncategorized] UID:34568 Activity:nil 66%like:33536 11/2 The election is over. It's all over. I'm depressed.
 2004/11/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34569 Activity:high 11/2 with 95% reporting in florida, how come it hasn't been called yet? bush is up like 300k votes. \_ Where are you guys seeing this stuff? URL?
 2004/11/2-3 [ERROR, uid:34570, category id '18005#14.085' has no name! , ] UID:34570 Activity:high 11/2 Whoever carries OH wins. -- ilyas \_ Looks like Bush is going to win. You know, http://electoral-vote.com is waaaay off. Dumb ass Tanenbaum. \_ Give the guy a break, polls are very unreliable. Even exit polls (heh). My theory on FL is that FL is actually a republican state (all the old folks running out the clock, maybe), and the close results from last time stimulated a huge turnout which accurately reflects actual demographics. You can't really attribute a 300k lead to Jeb's shenanigans. -- ilyas
 2004/11/2-3 [Uncategorized] UID:34571 Activity:high 11/2 Why is this motd so empty? \_ It is only relatively empty when you consider your ingrained sociocultural preconceptions. -Jacques Derrida
 2004/11/2-27 [Uncategorized] UID:34572 Activity:high 72%like:34544 11/27 /var/mail is 100% full again - clean up yer shit! \_ If I were Indian I'd have an untouchable do it.
 2004/11/2-3 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34573 Activity:moderate 11/2 "If Bush wins, this country is filled with a lot more pigfucking inbred moronic loser bible-thumping assholes than I originally thought." Mmm. Tolerance. \_ That's just dumb anyway. Sure, Bush is about to win solidly, but it's still within the margin of error of the polls we've all been watching for weeks, so where's the suprise? \_ The Dems will continue to struggle until they realize why some people see this as unjustified elitist bullshit. 'Know your enemy and keep him close.' --Kerry voter \_ Yeah I agree. Watching wall tonight was both fun and revealing for me. -- ilyas \_ 'Rednecks' in Louisiana voted for their first Republican senator since Recontruction. Think about that next time you call them 'pigfuckers'. California is the state that voted for Pete Wilson and Ronald Reagan! \_ The 'Southern Democrat' isn't what you conceptualize as a California or New York Democrat. This statement shows that you really don't much understand the South. \_ The fact that Pete Wilson was a Republican senator and later governor (who went to UC Berkeley!) shows you don't understand anything at all. The very fact that a Southern Democrat is different is the point I am illustrating! Likewise, so is a California Republican (see: Arnold). No one wants a New England liberal! GWB is *soooo* much better than a Southern Democrat, huh? \- yes, i suppose in the edwin edwards vs david duke they made the "right choice". however, a state that nominates duke ... \_ Fuck you. We will have 4 more years of this country going down the toilet that's why I walled that. If seeing massive deficits with no end in sight, universal hatred of our country, erosion of civil liberties, weakening of environment protections, crony capitalism running amok, chaos and instability in the world, etc., makes me "elitist" then you can call me that. At least all the bad shit Bush is going to put into motion the next 4 years won't make me feel guilty since I didn't vote for him. Plus I've got another country to move to if this whole deck of cards known as the US economy collapses. - eric the US economy collapses. Oh BTWM, just for the record, I'm equally annoyed at the extremists on the other side, you know, the pseudo-intellectual surrender monkey pussies who think that the proper reaction to 9/11 was to send a basket of flowers to bin Laden and that we should give communism just one more chance ... It's just that there are a lot more of the former than the latter in this country, you know it's true - eric \_ Eric, don't take this the wrong way, but you come across as a ranty, intolerant, close-minded bigot. That the liberal movement has come to be defined by people like you is why you lost at the polls yesterday, and why you will lose again and again. \_ Hey, I know I'm way out of the American mainstream, and you can attack me personally if you wish. But at least give me some credit for caring about the state of the country. \_ You may care about the country, but if you insult its majority in the way you do, your care seems a little cold and distant and abstract. It's the people, not the country, that are important. \_ I never said the majority of the country were "pigfucking inbred moronic loser bible-thumping assholes" ... Although I do believe that group is much more likely to vote Bush than Kerry. is much more likely to vote Bush than Kerry. -eric