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| 2004/10/29 [Health/Skin] UID:34424 Activity:high |
10/29 Can anyone recommend a good dermatologist in the south bay or
peninsula?
\_ Just wait until after nov 2nd, it'll be ok
\_ Who ya gonna call? Ghostbusters! - 555-2368
\_ Somethin' strange ... in the neigh-bor-hood ...
\_ why? need help? - turin
\_ Dr. Recht (Sunnyvale) is excellent http://csua.org/u/9pq
(I assume that was Dermatologist originally) - actual helpfulness |
| 2004/10/29 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:34425 Activity:nil |
10/28 Gulliver's travails: The U.S. in the post-Cold-War world
http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/23/oct04/osull.htm
Yearning to be liked
http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/21/nov02/derby.htm |
| 2004/10/29 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34426 Activity:moderate |
10/28 http://bakedbeaver.com/bushfighterpilot.html Bush wants to be a fighter pilot again for Halloween. \_ Lame |
| 2004/10/29 [Uncategorized] UID:34427 Activity:nil |
10/28 So, who was it that said Soda as a dual Xeon machine would melt
itself through the machine room's walls? 100% CPU usage, in a
room-temperature environment; the processors stay under 60c. |
| 2004/10/29 [Uncategorized] UID:34428 Activity:moderate |
10/28 Conan O'Brien on IT Support
http://chintan.net/conan.wmv
\_ jyesh |
| 2004/10/29 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:34429 Activity:insanely high 54%like:34477 |
10/29 hi all. I'm going to Florida. thought you might be interested in
following along from home...
http://csua.berkeley.edu/~rory
\_ I salute you, and wish you luck. --scotsman
\_ Thanks. This could actully be useful.
\_ I'm jealous. I didn't have free cash or vacation enough to
go to FL. I'm spending election day in Reno, instead. You'll
definitely be warmer. -- ulysses
\_ You campaigning? I am hooking up with half a dozen old
Chateauvians to campaign in Las Vegas. -ausman
\_ I'm going to Florida too. Finally putting law school to good use.
-- cathyg
\_ How exactly?
\_ Are you part of Litigate the Vote 2004?
\_ As a minority, I'm being disenfranchised because I'm not able to
register a vote that counts in the Presidential elections. Will
you file a suit on my behalf? I'm a California Republican. :-)
\_ Mmm. Utter bullshit. If your complaint is with the electoral
college, say so. That you're in the minority does not mean
you're disenfranchised. --scotsman
\_ Geez. He even put a smilie on the end. Sometimes a
joke is just a joke.
\_ Some things just aren't funny. Deal.
\_ It might be funny if disenfranchisement wasn't an
actual problem.
\_ Wow, get a sense of humor. I'll sell you one for
less than the price of a Starbuck's.
\_ Have you actually heard of intimidation or vote-supression
against Republicans in CA or are you just being an ass?
\_ Re-read his post and try again, moron. -!pp
\_ I considered he just meant that R-votes for pres. in CA
didn't mean anything in CA but figured trolling was much
more likely.
\_ IT. WAS. A. JOKE. I'm selling the other guy a sense
of humor. You get one at half price.
\_ How can you be a Californian and still a Republican?
\_ I can totally see it. The Republican party is a decent
organization by political standards; it's just the few at
the top who are cheating the party out of its decent name.
\_ How can you be an American and still be a Democrat? |
| 2004/10/29 [Computer/Domains, Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:34430 Activity:nil |
10/29 Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics:
Even if you win, you're still retarded.
\_ Is that why you're so good at it?
\_ MATT DAMON!
\_ At least some of us know the difference between the internet and
motd.
\_ You're sitting in the lounge or something? |
| 2004/10/29 [Uncategorized] UID:34431 Activity:nil |
10/29 The situation report from Oz (after the fall of the wicked witch):
http://mcsweeneys.net/2004/10/29warner.html |
| 2004/10/29 [Uncategorized] UID:34432 Activity:nil |
10/29 Some friends of mine who use Thunderbird (and dial-up) would like a
feature to "prompt to send unsent messages before exiting".
Is there a "feature request" form for Thinderbird anywhere? |
| 2004/10/29 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:34433 Activity:nil |
10/29 Via JoelOnSoftware: pretty cool standards-based HTML slide show format
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5 |
| 2004/10/29 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:34434 Activity:nil |
10/29 Any speculation on Sony's PSP as a media player? I could see Sony
reissuing a bunch of their movies on UMD, but I can't imagine there
will be a way to convert your DVDs or other video sources to a format
the PSP can use because of Sony's fixation on piracy.
\_ There's no reason it can't make a fine DVD player, especially
chipped. To be honest, I'd rather consider a Mini-ITX box
booting from a CF card, than a game console that I happen to be
able to play some movies/CDs on. -John
\_ PSP = Play Station Portable, a handheld which uses a cartridged
disk called UMD, not a DVD (different sizes). |
| 2004/10/29 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:34435 Activity:nil |
10/29 Go Drudge! Go Drudge #1 Fan!
http://csua.org/u/9pw |
| 2004/10/29-30 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:34436 Activity:kinda low |
10/29 Aaaagh! Engage fetal position! http://csua.org/u/9px \_ This sort of thing has been going on for some time now. Remember http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/july13/cov2.htm ? Also, for some insight into software buying decisions in the UK and their ramifications, do a search for 'national police computer' or NPC. -John \_ Yes, I remember that story, the best quote by far is: "Although Unix is more reliable", Redman said, "NT may become more reliable with time.". What the fuck? \_ This gives a whole new meaning to the term "blue screen of death". One can imagine a Windows general protection fault in conjunction with icbms being accidently launched due someone accidently downloading MyDoom onto the computer. Wow, I guess The Terminator was a documentary after all... |
| 2004/10/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:34437 Activity:high |
10/29 Do we have any motd archives going back to the 80s?
\_ I *used* to have some, but moved them to
/csua/tmp/mehlhaff/motd_archive, and then some idiot went and
cleaned out all 'old' files from /csua/tmp. I might have offsite
backups, but dont want to pullthem backup if they're just going to
get deleted again. -EricM
\_ Given that quite a few people seem to be running motd archivers,
I think it's a safe bet that they'd stay around somewhere, and
it'd be a really cool thing to have. -John
\_ would have been interesting to compare the political battle:
Reagan vs. Carter, Reagan vs. Mondale (?)
\_ I just looked up election week from 1996, and it was all
about random technical shit. The motd, like the country
in general, has never been this divided, politicized,
on angry.
\_ where is this located?
\_ Past ennui, make a left at disgruntled,
frustrated despair will be on your right.
If you hit blind rage, you've gone too far.
\_ You mean like aaron?
\_ Most of the alumni who post on the motd
and wall about political junk were still
in school in 1996 and were too busy studying
and worrying about graduating to waste
time w/ political non-sense.
\_ Reagan vs. Carter: There wouldn't be much discussion.
Carter was an utter disaster for this country. If you were
old enough to remember you wouldn't even consider that a
debate. Carter is now running around certifying stolen
elections for his socialist pals in South America. The man
Carter was an utter disaster for this country. If
you were old enough to remember you wouldn't even
consider that a debate. Carter is now running
around certifying stolen elections for his
socialist pals in South America. The man
is a disgrace.
\_ The world-writeable-motd didn't exist in the 80's. |
| 2004/10/29-30 [Uncategorized] UID:34438 Activity:moderate |
10/29 Why do we have to nuke?
\_ 'Cos we're morons.
\_ Same reasons as why we have fingernails, stones, spears, arrows,
swords, guns, bombs, cannons.
\_ Uhm, to help us climb and grip our prey (or tools)? To attract
a mate when painted?
\_ I don't know about you, but purely statistically speaking,
I have attracted far more mates when I was not painted than
when I was painted. I am not entirely sure what to infer
from this observation, but I am led to assume that it has
something to do with the possibility that most women prefer
nice shirts & slacks to purple body paint. -John |
| 2004/10/29 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Ilyas, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:34439 Activity:kinda low |
10/29 Fine. You want to censor. It's done. Anything even remotely
political is gone.
\_ There goes all the technical stuff! go fuck yourself!
\_ want some cheese with your whine?
\_ Please tell me you're reacting to acutal censorship and not somebody
simply overwriting your posts.
\_ Of course he's not. No one at the time was paying attention to
overwriting.
\_ It seems lately that there is very little actual censorship, but
lots of lazy clobbering of other people's posts. I'm not
counting "nukes" as censorship, which I guess is arguable.
\_ So are you saying that people are deleting entire threads, or
or are you saying that some of your posts have gone missing
and you're sure it wasn't simply overwriting? Please reflect.
\_ Like, ohmygawd. Like I posted, and then 10 seconds later my
post was gonE!1! I'm, like, totally being oppressed!
\_ OMG, it's ilyas!! |
| 2004/10/29-30 [Politics/Domestic] UID:34440 Activity:nil |
10/29 Does anyone think that there will be a clear winner the night
of the election, (i.e. by midnight- west coast time)?
\_ Zogby intimated as much on the Daily Show, and then pointed out that
large numbers of people on both sides are prepared to reject an
unclear winner.
\_ Ok, follow up question: do you think if the post-election
situation resembles the last one where the supreme court
could intervene, do you think they will? Or have they
learned yet that they were hated?
\_ With any luck.
\_ No. I think this election will be more murky than those in third-
world countries. |
| 2004/10/29-31 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:34441 Activity:kinda low |
10/29 Okay, I give up. spamassassin is just too broken to use. Anyone
got an ifile "how to use on soda" FAQ?
\_ /csua/tmp/ifile_tutorial
\_ http://soda.csua.berkeley.edu% more /csua/tmp/ifile.rerelearn.message
/csua/tmp/ifile.rerelearn.message: Permission denied
\_ I don't understand your problem. I'm using SA with all default
settings and it works fine. The only thing I've done is whitelist
and blacklist a few specific addresses. This is user error. |
| 2004/10/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34442 Activity:nil |
10/29 Osama bin Laden: "It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief
of the country [Bush] would leave 50,000 citizens in the two towers to
face those horrors alone ... because he thought listening to a child
discussing her goats was more important. ... Your security is not in
the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. ... To the U.S. people, my
talk is to you about the best way to avoid another disaster. ... I
tell you: security is an important element of human life and free
people do not give up their security. ... If Bush says we hate
freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. It
is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like
those of the 19 blessed ones ... We fought you because we are free ...
and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our
security we undermine yours."
\_ it would be funny if osama came out with a tape blaming
the wtc crashes on jews pilotting the planes filled with
defenseless arabs.
\_ Kerry using bin Laden to gain votes?
\_ You partisan spinning must be topping 10k rpms. Take a step back
and try to get some perspective here.
\_ Uhhh....huh?
\_ The very first sentence "It never occurred ...... was more
important" sounds like Kerry.
\_ This is a translation. Comparing speaking style in
different languages is not easy.
\_ Bush using fear to gain votes?
\_ Is there a full or even partial transcript URL? I'd like to read
the whole thing or at least as much as is out there. Or was this
the whole thing? Thanks.
\_ Isn't it great that Osama Bin Laden is irrefutably accepting
responsibility for the attacks now that Muslims don't have to
cling to that Jews-did-it conspiracy story anymore, since the
whole world hates our guts anyways?
\_ It was a Jewish actor masquerading as Osama. It's a devious
plot to pin blame on Islam. |
| 2004/10/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:34443 Activity:low |
10/29 So what happens if you're in a swing state, and you're still in line
to vote at 8pm? Do you still get to vote, or do they turn everyone
away, or is their mass confusion as conflicting orders to stop and
continue trickle down from local government and TV?
\_ John Ashcroft personally comes and puts you in jail indefinitely.
\_ Martial law is established and the race wars begin.
\_ I have worked the polls before, so I know the answer. One of
the poll workers comes out, eyeballs the last person in line
and tells them: "You will be the last person voting. Please
tell everyone who shows up after you that the polls are closed."
They come out a few minutes later to make sure he has not
ignored or misunderstood you. |
| 2004/10/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:34444 Activity:high |
10/29 Capitalism magazine, the bastion of randian objectivism, is apparently
as split over the US election as the rest of the country. I found that
somehow amusing. Some of the folks there are making reasonable
game theoretic arguments for why a randy ought to vote for Kerry.
-- ilyas
\_ If you mean "randian" in context of Ayn Rand (never heard it used
like this before) then Capitalism magazine is just plain wrong.
A true "randian" would either A) not bother to vote or B) vote
for himself.
\_ Not that I am a huge fan of Ayn Rand, but you don't understand
Randians at all. I said 'randian objectivism' to differentiate
from other kinds of objectivism (i.e. technical terms in lit
crit, philosophy, etc) -- ilyas
\_ I just had the very amusing experience of looking at
http://www.rand.org to find out if Rand had written anything about
elections in her time, and was amazed at how non-wingnut it
was...until I realized it was the wrong rand!
\_ yes, the Rand Corporation is a serious, professional
consulting organization |
| 2004/10/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34445 Activity:moderate |
10/29 Bin Laden speaks out right before the election. Is that going
to help or hurt our great President of the United States?
This can't help, but I'm not an pigfucking inbred moronic loser:
"It appeared to him (Bush) that a little girl's talk about her goat
and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting
of the skyscrapers. That gave us three times the required time to
carry out the operations, thank God," he said.
\_ Hurts Dubya. He didn't nail Osama and Osama is laughing at him.
\_ you guys realize that the Democrats are sheltering Bin Laden
for the purpose of winning the election right? -conservative
\_ How's that koolaid tonight?
\_ Are you serious? Who is the "Commander in Chief" right now?
\_ Bin Laden is taunting Bush, but also trying to persuade
Americans to vote for Kerry. So the question is: Why would
bin Laden want Kerry as President?
\_ http://andrewsullivan.com
But why release a tape just before the elections? The obvious
impact will be to help Bush. Any reminder of the 9/11 attacks
will provoke a national rallying to the commander-in-chief. The
deep emotional bond so many of us formed with the president back
then is Bush's strongest weapon in this election, and OBL has
just revived it. The real October Surprise turned out not to be
OBL's capture (sorry, Teresa!) but OBL's resilience. I have a
feeling that this will tip the election decisively toward the
incumbent. A few hours ago, I thought Kerry was headed for
victory. Now I think the opposite. I also have a sinking feeling
that that was entirely bin Laden's objective.
\_ I don't think criticism of Bush is meant to help Bush
win. How the heck do you draw that conclusion?
\_ Let's see... "Any reminder of the 9/11 attacks
will provoke a national rallying to the commander-in-chief.
The deep emotional bond so many of us formed with the
president back then is Bush's strongest weapon in this
election, and OBL has just revived it." Just a random
guess of Andrew Sullivan's thinking, of course.
\_ There is a good rebuttal to this ridiculous line of
thinking right on his own web site.
\_ It's total bs-- up til now Bush could probably claim that
Osama was buried in a cave somehow. It's not good for
Kerry, but it's definitely bad for Bush.
\_ He might be right, but Osama is pretty nuts, and his
understanding of American phychology is sketchy at best.
Who can tell what he's thinking?
\_ Derka Derka Derka?
\_ So much for the tin-foil-hat brigade saying we had him in custody
and Bush was saving him for the Oct. surprise.
\_ "Bin Laden" is a computer program in a pakistani movie
studio. The kurds will release Bin Laden (in a daring US
Army Raid) on monday.
\_ There's still 3 days. |
| 2004/10/29-30 [Science/GlobalWarming] UID:34446 Activity:very high |
10/29 So I'm curious about the US Policy. Why doesn't the US simply
leave other countries alone? I mean, the world has a lot of
internal problems relating to food, money, civil war, etc.
Why can't we just leave them alone? Is it all about money and
oil? Is it about reconstruction companies? Loan corporations?
\_ Because our country works under a set of ideals and principles
(or at least, it's supposed to, silly me) that a lot of people look
up to. There is much murder & mayhem & badness in the world, and
we are the strong kid on the playground, you know, the one with the
power to put the bully in his place. I am morally revolted
and ashamed as an American about some of the things "we" do, but
more so about much of what we leave undone. -John
\_ Because isolation doesn't work, stupid. Because the world
is more interconnected than ever before. Because what
happens in one part of the world can have adverse affects
on the rest of us. C'mon, get with the program here buddy,
it's a world economy, and things like the environment,
energy, social welfare are GLOBAL problems. Were you
asleep during World History 101?
\_ Not to mention that we need to the rest of the world's
resources to support our level of consumption.
\_ This is very true. Consumption per head in the US is higher than
in most other industrialized countries.
\_ Let's take post-WWII. A lot of countries were turning Communist.
The rationale was that, unless the U.S. did something, the whole
world was going to turn Communist, there would be Communist
sympathizers in the U.S., and they would foment a revolution, and
then you wouldn't have Mom and Apple Pie anymore.
\_ Let's take post USSR. Everyone turns to capitalism. The
corporation has unprecedented power over the government.
The presence of US is felt everywhere in the world,
restricting freedom for the rulers of the other countries.
Unless the world did something, the US would have
no opposition and could do whatever it pleases.
\_ you know your post would be taken a lot more seriously if
your writing was coherent and didn't sound like random babbling
\_ Made perfect sense to me! America, fuck yeah!
\_ freedom for the rulers? isn't freedom for the people of other
countries what's important here?
\_ Yeah, we're "restricting" freedom, just like the Taliban
did for women and the right to education. Yeah, we made
Cisco put filters like the Chinese did. Yeah, we're the
bad guys.
\_ Because whitey is a proto-rapist penile-centric arch bigot
who wants to impregnate all the nubile brown women and kill all
whales and hurt the creatures of the forest.
Come on already you need to brush up on your Marx. |
| 2004/10/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/911, Science/GlobalWarming] UID:34447 Activity:moderate |
10/29 You know I actually agree with what Osama said. Our security is
in our own hands, and while it may make some difference
between who we pick as our leaders, our actions aboard is the
direct consequence of why we suffered 911. And unless we
fundamentally change the way we deal with the rest of the
world, we will never be safe. Competition and survival of the
fittest is good and all that, but we shouldn't take it to the
extreme that the other side simply can't survive. If we want
to be the world police, then we need to do so using a more
\_ America, fuck yeah!
balanced approach.
\_ you may want to rethink your use of the word "consequence"
\_ Why do you hate America?
\_ I agree too. America's streets will run red with the blood of
infidels, God willing. America has held the world under its
merciless boot-heel for so long, it's too late for redemption.
\_ The problem is that there's always someone feeling oppressed in
the world, it doesn't matter how nice you are. There are also
a lot of people who are just jealous and always want to "take
down the big guy a peg or two."
\_ Nobody hates Sweden, or the Swiss or the Dutch. It is possible
to have material wealth without stomping on others.
\_ Dude, people hate the swiss, even I know that. And, uh,
the germans. -- ilyas
\_ Why do you hate CERN?
\_ These are very small countries. It is easy to maintain a
high standard of living with such a small populace
without pissing off too many people. |
| 2004/10/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34448 Activity:nil |
10/29 Bush and Kerry respond to Bin Laden.
http://csua.org/u/9q8
% cat bush_quotes_from_article | wc -w
46
% cat kerry_quotes_from_article | wc -w
128 |
| 2004/10/29-30 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:34449 Activity:very high |
10/29 C++ is so freaking BROKEN. Augh!
\_ Just use C.
\_ Would if I could.
\_ No, you are. C++ works just fine, and far better than C for many
purposes.
\_ C vs. C++. FIGHT!!!
\_ True, it's better than C for many purposes, but at the very
least it has some serious lexing/syntax issues.
\_ Most of the warts stem from backwards compatibility with C
(primarily integer promotion, operator precendence, etc.).
\_ Bull... Shit... Things which are broken in C++:
Confusing Scoping Operators
Confusing auto creation vs. explicit instantiation of objects.
Confusing auto creation vs. explicit instantiation of
objects.
Ability to overload things like new.
Ability to do crappy stuff like delete this.
Multiple Inheritance
Friends (god, wtf was Bjarne thinking?)
Sticking classes in .h files.
Templates (good idea, but crap implementation).
STL was too damn late in coming so nobody uses it.
Language is too frickin' big.
We should've adopted Objective C over C++. C++ is just
a dog of a language. Just take a look at MFC and its mess.
\_ cs61b got you down? I've actually seen alot of the
stuff on your list used in VERY effective ways. Most of
your complaints sound like the things newbies whine
about. Train harder, grasshopper.
\_ A lot of the things you list are not broken. Just
because something is confusing to _you_ does not make
it 'broken.' Just because something is an advanced
feature for which you see no use (overloading new) does
not make it broken. However, I will agree that C++ is
combining too many worlds in a poor and inelegant way.
Still, I have to respect it in that you CAN get work
done in it. -- ilyas
done in it. We would not have been better off with
ObjC over C++, though ObjC is certainly a much
smaller language. One reason is, ObjC uses essentially
the smalltalk object system, which is not suitable for
many systemy kinds of programming. -- ilyas
P.S. My favorite MFC moment is seeing stuff like:
template <class T> class Foo : public T { ... }
\_ This is typically called a shim class. And?
\_ There is no and. I just find the idiom amusing.
\_ You learned Java before C++ right? It's hard to move to
a real language after playing with toys for a while.
I've used all the above features well, and use STL
heavily. (You didn't even mention streams. Amateur.)
\_ Actually, I was thinking more of obvious stuff like
the << and >> template problems, and the fact that
:: is both the namespace separator and the name for
the "global namespace." (Which becomes a problem
when the C++ lexer throws away whitespace...) -op
\_ How is :: the "name" for the global namespace?
If it were, then you'd access globals by ::::foo,
yes? Isn't the "name" for the global namespace
epsilon (nothing)? :: is always a namespace
separator.
\_ Sorry I didn't state it in explicit theory
terms, but it amounts to the same thing. If
you want to specify the global namespace, you
begin the identifier name with ::. ie
::foo:bar. I was just using the same
\_ A single colon is not a namespace
separator. Did you mean ::foo::bar? Are
you sure you're programming in C++?
terminology used in a C++ book I read a
while ago. It maybe have been Bjarne, but I
can't remember exactly.
\_ Errr, read the post above you again. pp is
exactly right. -- ilyas
\_ Errr.. read my post again, I agreed
with him.
\_ Right. This works just like Unix pathnames --
foo/bar is a relative path, and /foo/bar is an
absolute path. What problems does it create?
Yes, >> in templates is stupid.
\_ I just had this experiance, if you have
2 identifiers in a row, ie "id1 id2",
and you try to force the global id2,
C++ throws out the white space, so
instead of having two identifiers, you
get 1 big identifier "id1::id2", which,
of course, it can't find.
\_ That doesn't even make sense. White
space separates tokens. I don't think
you know what you're talking about.
\_ Maybe it's only true in gcc 3.4,
go ahead and try it.
\_ I don't have access to gcc 3.4 (nor
do I want it). That sounds like a
bug in a compiler, not a language
flaw.
\_ It doesn't make sense, and you
haven't provided enough instruction
about how to reproduce it. What
do you mean "have two identifiers"
in a row? When would that be legal
at all? In what context? How
about some real code?
\_ If you like:
#include <iostream>
class B { };
class A {
public:
B foo();
};
B ::A::foo() {
std::cout << "Hello" << std::endl;
return B();
}
int main() {
A a;
a.foo();
return 0;
}
fails with this error:
test.cc:11: error: `class B::A' has not been declared
test.cc:11: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `foo' with no type
\_ But you shouldn't need to have (or be expected to
have) the global namespace qualifier in A::foo's
definition anyway. How about an example where it's
actually a problem? The scoping operator (::) does
need to discount whitespace, because otherwise you
wouldn't be able to break apart really::really::
long::lines.
\_ The case where I ran into this as a "real
problem" spanned multiple files and
thousands of lines of code. So I contrived
an example. I'm pretty sure that's a normal
thing to do.
\_ Explain how. C++ doesn't allow nested
functions, so you either define functions
in global scope or within a namespace.
If you're already in global scope, you
don't need the leading ::. If you're not
in global scope, why are you defining a
function in one namespace from within another?
\_ And inablilty to explicitly declare a
function in global scope doesn't
strike you as a little wierd? Even if
it is usually unnecessary? I never
said I couldn't do something else. I
did something else and it worked, that
doesn't mean this isn't bad design.
\_ And it doesn't strike you as weird that
you want to do something like:
class A {
void f();
};
namespace foo {
void ::A::f() { }
}
? I mean, really. Even if you could
do it, you're just making your own
code more unmaintainable by defining
functions where they don't belong.
\_ I think you must be using non-C++
concepts and trying to for them into
C++. By the same token, you can't take
English idioms and translate them word-
for-word into Spanish.
\_ Most of my work is research
outside the concepts of any
language. SO yeah.
\_ No, it doesn't seem weird. Most
lexically-scoped languages allow things
to be declared only in the current
scope.
\_ Maybe so, but in C++ you have to
define methods explicity in a
namespace, but you can't
expicitly declare the namespace.
Perhaps you could argue that
it's just an unfortuate mix of
C++ features, but that's bad
design isn't it?
\_ What do you mean? You don't
have to define methods explicitly
in a namespace (you put them
within a "namespace ns { ... }"
block). And how is that not
explicitly declaring the namespace
itself? And no, it's not a bad
design. Have you not noticed that
you alone seem to be the only
person who has any issues with
this? Sane programs written
properly won't have these issues.
\_ Let's all switch to http://digitalmars.com/d
\_ BCPL is the STANDARD! |
| 2004/10/29-11/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:34450 Activity:high |
10/29 Election bet (turnout, %pop-KE, %pop-BC, Winner's Electoral Count)
120M, 52, 48, 306 --scotsman
\_ is this from anywhere or just a motd prediction?
\_ motd prediction
\_ with BC still winning?
\_ I'm not _that_ prescient.
\_ 105M, 48.4 (GL), 47.9, 271-266 (BC over GL) -- 2k numbers
\_ 125M, 48, 49, 273-265 (KE over BC)
\_ With 125M, you think the popular vote will go to bush?
\_ 115M, 50, 49, 271 (bc over ke) -mice
\_ Ilya, you overwrote mice.
\_ sorry.
\_ This is actually easy to avoid if you have even a little
interest in being courteous.
\_ Far be it from me to nudge people in a more enlightened
direction, but perhaps your energies would be better
spent reeducating the countless motd assholes who
delete active threads, sign other people's names,
spew low-grade anonymous bile, and countless other
spew low-grade anonymous bile, and do countless other
things that make the motd our favorite world-writable
file. But no, it's much more important to moralize
me and my editor. -- ilyas
\_ Because it's easy to be courteous in this way --
it costs only a little time. If even the easy
things to correct are out of reach, then what hope
is there for the more pathological things? Esp in
the crowd that purports to care...
\_ Ok, friend, tell you what. I consider myself
properly moralized now. I suggest aaron as your
next target. He seems to have a problem with
long winded violent fantasies, and I think he is
ready for your brand of gentle reproach. I
think his soul can yet be saved! -- ilyas
think his soul can yet be saved! I hope you are
an equal opportunity moralizer, and not someone
who designated little old me as his "project."
-- ilyas
\_ Uhm, it's not about morals, it's about not
stomping other people's posts (easy to avoid)
while still claiming to be the champion of
the motd and the enemy of anonymous cowards
etc. If it'll make you feel better, I can
swear at you and call you names and litter the
screen with ad hominem, but I figured asking
you politely not to contribute to the problem
you're always complaining about might be worth
a try.
\_ Well, actually, post-overwriting is one of
the few problems I am NOT complaining about.
(The reason I don't is that during busy
editing times, writing becomes a game
theory thing of defectors/cooperators, and
it's not always defensible to stay a
cooperator).
\_ I don't have this problem, and I bet I
post way more than you do. I think this
is merely justification to dodge the
blame and maintain self-righteousness.
\_ Haven't you heard? Half of the motd
posts are actually mine. You must
be the other half. All I am going to
say is, motd is during busy times like
a conversation with a lot of people,
and you need to raise your voice to
get a word in. If you haven't
done something like that yourself
in a busy conversation, I admire
your restraint and condemn your
veracity (since you would be lying
through your teeth). -- ilyas
\_ MOTD != conversation. I haven't
overwritten a post on motd in
some time (I don't force-save
if the file changed under me).
This comparison really IS a straw
man. Nice try, but no banana.
(Though I make no claims about
conversation -- as if that's even
a little bit relevant)
\_ During busy times, MOTD is
_worse_ because people are good
at picking out things they want
from multiple parallel
conversations. MOTD is serial.
When a lot of people are
excitedly talking, the
conversations get louder, but
on the MOTD most people spinlock.
If you haven't had cases where
the file is literally being
edited continuously for many
minutes at a time, you haven't
been posting as much as you say.
-- ilyas
\_ I'm going home now. You win.
\_ *sigh*. I am not trying
to say I am not being
discourteous, I am
pleading for a sense of
perspective. There are
nastier things going on
on the motd every day,
and they don't seem to
generate huge threads.
Maybe it's something to
do with me. -- ilyas
\_ 1) The other guy has to
be willing to listen
for there to be a
dialogue. 2) You're
not the only person I
ding for 'bad things on
the MOTD' -- I'm just
civil to you more often
than most. 3) Never
argue with drunks or
madmen. 4) of
COURSE it's all your
fault. I'm shocked
that you even have to
ask that. When did you
stop beating your wife?
Maybe if you stopped
clubbing baby seals
and eating babies some
good karma would come
to you instead. I
mean, when western
civilization falls, we
all know that you'll be
the one to blame.
\_ Keep following that
train of thought.
It is correct.
I tend to complain about things that make it
to /etc/motd and THEN mysteriously
disappear. Anyways, I still think you
should become an equal opportunity crusader,
and start tracking down motd assholes.
-- ilyas
\_ Look, you either get what I'm saying or
you don't (or you're being egregiously
argumentative). You're not my 'project'
so really, it doesn't matter all that
much -- but it seems senseless to
complain about censorship and then
habitualize a behavior that's very very
easily confused with censorship to those
that don't live in your head.
Seriously, there's just no way to win
with you is there? Swear at you and
you declare the speaker an anonymous
coward etc, ask you politely to do
something (and give an explanation out
of common courtesy) and you declare the
speaker a moralizer with hints of
hypocrisy as well. *sheesh*
\_ (a) If you view conversations in
win/lose terms, you need to grow up.
(b) If you honestly don't see the
difference between stamping changes
before they make it to /etc/motd, and
purposefully nuking stuff from
/etc/motd, then i am sorry but we
don't have enough common ground to
continue.
(c) I think you should probably just
leave me be. -- ilyas
\_ This is all good, and I have no
problem with what you're both
saying, but can you please take it
to email? The motd is getting
very narrow at the bottom
because it's so long
and so
unwieldy
-John
\_ i'm not pp, but aaron's stuff that annoys you
is signed and annoying only because of content,
easily ignored and generally only on wall.
it's not relevant to The MOTD Experience(TM).
\_ I don't get: "BC"? ---> nevermind, I'm stupid.
\_ 115M, 49, 48, 271 (bc over ke) -mice
\_ ???M, 52, 46, 272 BC over KE
\_ Everyone needs to remember 2 things: 50% is not require to win, and
there are other guys running are polling between 1% and 4% total
depending on the poll and the state polled.
\_ And now some smarter people's numerical predictions: ;-)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinion/outlook/outlookCrystalBall04.html
http://csua.org/u/9qj (washingtonpost.com opinion)
\_ You're missing the point. We've all been reading other
people's predictions and maps and polls and crap for months.
It's our turn to make our own predictions.
\_ Me: Tongue in cheek (smiley added)
You: Insecure
\_ You came back to edit your post after I replied and I'm
the insecure one? Okey dokey, Mr. Stable.
\_ 130M, 51.5, 46, 331-207 KE wins -jctwu
\_ 135M, 51, 51, unknown but with 4 weeks of riot
\_ I'm changing my bet to match this person's.
\_ How many registered voters are there out there?
\_ Alive, dead, convicts, what?
\_ Any! Nationally! I've been googling and searching the FEC
site, but I get no info on how many overall registered voters
there are. Help! |
| 2004/10/29-31 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:34451 Activity:high |
10/29 I shot quite a few videos at my friend's wedding and now I'd
like to compile them nicely, with subtitles, music, etc. What's
a good, powerful, and affordable program I should get to do
this? I'd like to make MPEG2s and such, for video CD, for
DVD, etc. Thanks!
\_ DVDLab. DVDLab Pro if you really need subtitles, but once you
realize how much work it is to transcribe dialogue, you might
not care. --jameslin
\_ tried it, sucks sucks sucks!!! Get a Mac for photo/video stuff,
it is much better.
\_ tried it, sucks sucks sucks!!! Get a Mac for photo/video
stuff, it is much better.
\_ It sucks sucks sucks because...? --jameslin
\_ user interface is awkward. Obviously, you've never used
iMovie. You know, Macs come with better (and free)
softwares.
\_ Whatever. It still blows away its competition on
Windows. --jameslin
\_ Drink Kool-aid: iMovie + iDVD. If you are a bit fancier
try FC{X,P} + DVD Studio Pro.
\_ I really like DVD Studio Pro. With versions 2 and higher,
menus are really easy to make, as well. I've never played
with iDVD, though, so I don't have much to compare it with.-sax
with iDVD, though, so I don't have much to compare it with.
-sax
\_ uh, yeah, it also costs over $1k
\_ If you don't have a mac then iDVD is pretty expensive
too.
\_ Menus are pretty easy to make with iDVD (free if you
have a Mac w/ a superdrive or $39 if you buy iLife
w/ a student discount). The type of menus are pretty
limited but are enough for most non-pros. |
| 2004/10/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34452 Activity:kinda low |
10/29 Bizarre. The media is in spin-overdrive, declaring the OBL tape a
"big win for Bush."
I don't get it. Please, someone explain this to me.
\_ Is it TV you're watching? Which stations?
\_ "The airing of a tape of Osama bin Laden capped a week of
bad news for President Bush that threatened to derail his
candidacy in the final days of the presidential election" --CBS
\_ CNN is saying pretty much exactly the opposite, that the tape
"completely wipes away the events of the last week."
\_ Perhaps meaning that it supercedes it... it's a statement
that says nothing about being good or bad for Bush.
\_ NBC Nightly News: ""The Bin Laden tape has erased any
momentum that John Kerry may have had during the past
week". Go TV news! How can he even pretend to know
that?
\_ I think it's reasonable to expect that the release
of the tape will change the dialog over the next
couple of days; that's not the same as "erasing any
momentum," since it could wind up being positive for
Kerry. -tom |
| 2004/10/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34453 Activity:high |
10/29 Given that the Dems likely aren't going to carry any of the
Southern states (with a possible exception of Florida), do you
think they would have fared better in some other traditionally
republican states if John Kerry picked someone else to run for VP?
\_ no. |
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