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| 2004/10/20-21 [Uncategorized] UID:34243 Activity:nil Edit_by:auto |
10/19 How to out 1337 your friends:
http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/galactika-led-toilet-seat-023709.php
\_ what's so special about a blinking led toilet seat |
| 2004/10/20 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34245 Activity:high |
10/19 John Zogby breaks down the electorate. Very interesting regardless of
what "side" you're on, especially the bits about the "missing center."
http://simonworld.mu.nu/archives/050971.php
\_ fantastic link! thanks. this is the stuff zogby is always trying
to get people to pay to read on his website.
\_ Good stuff. In the meantime, has stock in Pepcid and other
heartburn medicine companies seen an appreciable jump yet?
\_ Why do bloggers love the word "eponymous" so damn much? seriously
\_ Bloggers get no respect. They're using big words to try to sound
smarter.
\_ Interesting but to save others the trouble. This guy went to a
\_ Because so many blogs are named after their creators in some way?
Zogby speech and took notes. These are his notes about what Zogby
said interspersed with his own opinion. Here's his summary at the
end, "My thoughts: Zogby has an obvious personal bias to Democrats
but I take him at face value when he says his research is
impartial. His speculation that the race is Kerry's to lose didn't
convince me, but nor do I buy that it is Bush's to lose either. I
think the struggle for both candidates now is to go and win the
race. Otherwise his thoughts on the missing centre certainly make
sense and gel with my impressions of American politics (admittedly
from afar). The small amount of undecideds are the key
battleground, but I'm not sure they will break for Kerry in the
numbers Zogby expects, especially given the reluctance of many to
change Presidents during times of war. What is clear is unless the
margin is reasonable, which is unlikely, there's going to be one
hell of a mess."
\_ Thanks for overwriting my post, asshole.
\_ The key point for me was Zogby saying Gallup was crap. When
election time comes, we will see if this is true. |
| 2004/10/20 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34246 Activity:high |
10/20 Fuck. Motd is boring. I'll kick it off: John Ashcroft = teh gay.
\_ Actually, this the highest S/N ratio motd in quite some time.
Are you saying a high S/N == boring?
\_ yermom makes lots of noise
\_ I'll take that as a yes.
\_ What else can it mean when yermom's noise is "Yes ... YES
... YEEEEESSSSS"?
\_ She's faking. Can't you tell?
\_ Really? But she's very wet. |
| 2004/10/20 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34247 Activity:very high |
10/20 "I thought I'd miss my boyfriend when he went to Iraq.
How ironic that I got drafted and killed!" -Missie in Miami
http://www.enjoythedraft.com
\_ Boy, I'm glad I'm an ordained minister. To be honest, currently
you have a bunch of people who at least to some degree want to be
there, there. What happens when you get a bunch of angry fuckups
who don't want to be in the military decked out with all kinds
of nasty hardware, and royally pissed off about being sent to east
palookistan to inculate the friendly natives with concepts of
democracy? Great prospects. Add to that that every military guy
I've spoken to about this (several friends are/were mid-grade
officers) hates the idea of a bunch of untrained/untrainable losers
hanging around, breaking the equipment and using up what few spare
parts they have... -John
\_ Why are people worried about a fictional draft? Only Democrats have
tried to make it happen. Kerry actually supports compulsory service
if you want to go to college, etc.
\_ Cuz it's getting worse over there and we're running out of
bodies.
\_ One of the best recent moments in the campaign was the Bush
speech accusing Kerry of using "fear tactics," followed by a
Cheney speech the next day implying that a vote for Kerry would
result in terrorists nuking a city.
\_ Dubya has promised not to implement the draft.
Kerry, on the other hand, just might do it.
\_ Dubya has promised not to implement the draft. (The implication
being he won't let the situation get to this point, and perhaps
if we really did need people, he would appeal to his base's
patriotism to enlist in a time of need.)
Kerry, on the other hand, leaves it as an option.
\_ "read my lips..."
\_ Kerry has said explicitely that he wants to increase our
forces, especially special forces. He has also said he wants
to increase pay and work on getting our traditional allies to
give troop support. Bush has said he will not implement
a draft. He also has said that we have a strong coalition,
that Iraq is getting better, and that the troops are well
supplied. If we need a draft, we need a draft. I hope we
don't. But believing yet another lie is foolish. --scotsman
\_ George will institute a skills draft, but rename it to
something else, so he can claim to have kept his promise.
You heard it here first. -ausman
\_ Nah, a draft is a draft is a draft.
I don't see you sysadmins getting drafted.
\_ "We will not have an all volunteer army." -GWB
\_ Lots of cutesy photoshopping. Nothing but leftist partisanship here
\_ Why is satire so hard to grasp?
\_ Because people are tired of grasping the same thing over
and over and over and over and fucking over again.
\_ If you want to see blatant partisanship, fear tactics, and hate
mongering, check out the Issue 1 ballot measure race in Ohio.
\_ Well, if the purpose is to get me to never spend a dime of
my money in ohio, and to attempt to boycott products from
ohio, i guess it could work. we are on the road to civil
war. the tinder is there, all that is needed is the match.
\_ Oh, BS. You all act like the US has never seen
partisan politics before. Get a grip.
\_ Hehe, if one listens to the stereotypes, liberals will
not do so well in a civil war. They don't have guns,
for example. -- ilyas.
\_ I'm not particularly liberal (more apathetic) but I
think Bush & Co., not to put too fine a point on it,
are a pack of cocksmokers, and I have plenty of guns
(and ammo! W00t!) -John
\_ Hey John, can I buy those old sig assault rifles
in .ch still? They are nice. -- ilyas
\_ Use motdedit. Don't squish posts.
\_ Sorry--hard to check who's really editing motd
with so many goddamm motd archivers running.
Ilyas--yes, but only semi-auto. I'd rather
recommend a Karabiner 31--way more fun. And
I have no clue where you'll find GP11 ammo in
California. -John
\_ If bush wins, I've already said I'm buying an AK-47
and a pistol and training in their use. I've got
pretty good eye hand coordination, and I'm pretty
sure I can catch up with the fat ass republican
gun nuts in about a year.
\_ Not in CA you are not. -- ilyas
\_ Well, just keep listening to those stereotypes, ilyas.
\_ MISSILE GAP! MISSILE GAP!
\_ Yes, JFK campaigned on that bogus belief against the Republicans
back in 1960, when in reality the Soviets were far behind.
\_ Mr. President, we must not allow a mineshaft gap!
\_ MEIN FUEHRER, I CAN VALK! -John
\_ My honorable shaft shall leave no gap in your mineshaft,
Marilyn. |
| 2004/10/20-21 [Uncategorized] UID:34248 Activity:nil |
10/20 How does it like to work at Intel or IBM?
\_ It puts the lotion on its skin.
\_ Speaking of which...
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2650242 |
| 2004/10/20-21 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:34249 Activity:moderate 66%like:34528 |
10/20 All right, we all know how we're going to vote. The determining
factor will be how many people get out and vote.
\_ That, and three months of litigation after the election, yeah.
\_ You know, any election system that is decided by less than the
margin of error deserves to have the hell litigated out of it.
\_ There shouldn't be a margin of error. It's the only
egalitarian voice we have in the process. It should
not be a difficult problem.
\_ Any human process will have a margin of error. It should
be smaller than it is, but there is no way to eliminate
it.
\_ fair enough, but this is absurd. It's time for the federal
government to establish some minimum standards for the
ability of a ballot to measure the intent of the voter
consistently, and then for the states to start enforcing
those standards. How the FUCK the last four years passed
without this happening is beyond me. |
| 2004/10/20-21 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:34250 Activity:nil |
10/20 Time to short GOOG? It reached 148.
\_ Are you actually asking for advice, or is this merely a pretense for
the possibility that GOOG does crash so you can gloat with a
"haha. told you so."
\_ maybe op just wants to tell fellow sodans a good money making
opportunity.
\_ My prediction: It will fall later, but shorting will be
expensive in the short run. -!op
\_ that's what I think too. |
| 2004/10/20 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34251 Activity:very high |
10/20 The snobbery of the elite liberals continues:
http://csua.org/u/9km
\_ I wonder what kind of ketchup they serve in the White House?
\_ Maybe W ketchup. Supposedly bush supporters put out their
own brand of ketchup because "You don't support Kerry, why
should your ketchup". I mangled that, but it was something
similar.
\_ *shrug* It's not like the left side of the theater has a monopoly
on elite snobbery.
\_ It's sounds to me more like Mrs. Heinz-Kerry has never had what
I would define as "a real job."
\_ What are you talking about?
\_ A woman worth $1 billion that she inherited should not
be talking about who has or has not had a "real job".
\_ Are you saying she does not have a real job?
\_ Yes, and never has.
\_ Have you done any research into her previous job
history?
\_ I am sure she worked at Wendy's and did
tricks to come up with the last $100 of rent
money. She's basically a billionaire
philanthropist. She's never had to work.
\_ I take that as a no. Please stop talking
out of your ass next time.
\_ I think this is particularly ironic,
considering Teresa Heinz later apologized
for not knowing Laura Bush worked as a
librarian and a teacher.
\_ There is no irony. I'm the same person
who posted that fact at the bottom
of the thread, and the same person
who's been responding to you.
\_ Oddly enough, I'm not "you" nor any
of the other posters on this sub-
thread.
\_ Too bad it doesn't change my point.
\_ I was merely pointing out an
incorrect assumption on your
part.
\_ Like, duh!
\_ Hey, even I knew that, and I don't
pay attention to this kind of stuff
and don't care. -- ilyas
\_ Not sure what Teresa Heinz's job history may be, but she is
snobbish and a bitch. So says my brother, who know the Heinzes
and roomed with Chris Heinz in college. I think most people
will say that the W's make better house guests and dinner
companions, but I don't know what relevance that has to the
election.
\_ Instead of "snobbish and a bitch", how about: knows what
she feels and will tell you honestly about it instead of
backstabbing with gossip?
\_ I don't imagine that my brother has been backstabbed
by her. I do know that he has been snubbed by her for
not being worthy. Perhaps you've had a different
experience with her. Care to share?
\_ No, I do not have any second-hand experiences from
a brother to relate. I do trust these interviews, where
her personality leaks out, more than what your brother
says, obviously.
\_ You'll understand that I trust my brother's personal
experiences more than what I can infer from some
staged and prepped interviews.
\_ Sure, you can believe your brother, since it's
your right to believe what you want to believe.
\_ I'm glad you approve. And I'll be happy to
extend to you the same privilege of believing
whatever you want to believe.
\_ It's an inherent right. No one is extending
anyone anything. Duh.
\_ As you wish. I'll go back to watching
interviews to see if I can infer more
about my politicians from them.
\_ Note I did not posit any request to
you for you to say "as you wish".
I would urge you to evalute interviews
on a case by case basis as well,
instead of implying that they're
all less useful than stories from
your older brother.
\_ Let me see... On one hand, I have
my brother, who roomed with Chris
freshman year, still exchanges
occasional emails with him, and
has met Teresa several times over
the course of a year of living
with her son. On the other hand,
I can study Teresa under the
artificial condition of a staged
interview, where she was no doubt
on guard to try to present a good
image of herself, and where she
was likely prepped by handlers
on how to answer the interview
questions and on how to conduct
herself. Tough choice.
\_ I don't believe we are
covering any new ground.
I've said my piece, you've
said yours.
said yours. If we were on
O'Reilly, this is where he'd
say, "Now we let the viewers
decide".
\_ Tell you what... I'll ask
Chris if his mom is a snob
when I see him at my bro's
wedding next spring. Would
that be a definitive enough
answer for you? Or will
you still cling to your
interview inferences?
\_ Probably won't help, but
thanks. I think what
could help more are highly
descriptive stories
(rather than just the
concluding label of "snob"
or "bitch") from which
people can make their own
judgments.
\_ I'll just note that
it's interesting to
see how your position
has shifted over the
length of this thread.
\_ Please state in
one sentence what
has shifted.
Please think about
this sentence
carefully before
you post. Thanks.
\_ Nope, I can't do
it in one
sentence. Why
this silly
requirement?
\_ instead of "snubbed by her for not being worthy", how
about: she didn't want to hang out with your brother
but wanted to hang out with someone else instead?
\_ Oh you were there too! That must have been a
crowded dorm room.
\_ Clearly I am suggesting a reasonable alternative
to your brother's interpretation of what
happened; and clearly everyone understands that
your brother was there and I was not; and clearly
everyone *should* understand there is weight in
both positions.
\_ Alex Kerry (John's daughter) doesn't like her either.
\_ John Kerry married an ice-queen! He's clearly unfit to be
commander in chief!
\_ I don't know that the nicest and most friendly people
also make the best presidents. However, attempts to
buff up Teresa Heinz's character clearly implies that
some people do think so.
\_ She's a South African Republican bitch. The fact
that she and Kerry have a lot in common
(apparently) is scary and worth noting.
\_ I thought we had gotten beyond denigrating people for
where they came from.
\_ The conservative spin machine goes into overdrive. Determining
there is an insult where there is not: "Well, you know, I don't
know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in
her eye, which is good. But I don't know that she's ever had a real
job -- I mean, since she's been grown up. So her experience and her
validation comes from important things, but different things. I'm
older, and my validation of what I do is a little bit bigger --
because I'm older, and I've had different experiences."
\_ Actually it's just annoying because she's stupid. I never
thought it was an insult, but I usually figure that you
should keep your yap shut if you don't know what you're
talking about.
\_ But apparently you think it's ok to be president of the
United States if you don't know what you're talking about.
amazing.
\_ Did I say I was a Bush supporter? You're an idiot.
\_ "stupid"... from what do you gather this? "snobbery"...
from what do you gather that? I smell Limbaugher.
\_ To state that you don't know anything about someone
and then go on to postulate about what kind of jobs
they've held in the past is, well, stupid. The
assumptions she makes about said jobs is snobbish.
\_ You are really reading into this too much.
Bang!
You've just been spun by the conservative spin machine.
\_ Umm.. the quote is directly above this post.
Which part of is has been spun by the
"conservative spin machine?"
\_ *All* of the quote above. Taken in context, it
is not an attack on Laura Bush.
If you don't know what the "conservative spin
machine" is, recall "sensitive war on terror"
and Dubya having said the same thing.
\_ Wow, you have some reading problems don't
you. As I said above, I never thought it
was an insult, or an attack, on Laura
Bush. It's just stupid.
\_ Nah, I just think THK got used by the
Republican spin machine. I don't think
what she said was stupid.
\_ The AP is a conservative spin machine! Call out
the tin-foil corps!
\_ What she said makes sense to me.
She should realize that Republicans are evil when it comes
to taking quotes out of context.
It's not stupid not to realize this.
\_ Some people just seem to have a real skill for pedial-oral
insertion.
insertion. [ don't change this, make your own joke ]
\_ And the Bush folks miss the point:
'Karen Hughes, an adviser to President Bush, criticized Heinz
Kerry's remarks as "indicative of an unfortunate mind-set that
seeks to divide women based on who works at home and who works
outside the home."'
So even Karen Hughes seems to think that Laura Bush has always been
a stay-at-home mom.
\_ Republican - spin - machine.
I doubt Karen Hughes really thinks that.
On a note of fairness, Teresa Heinz-Kerry issued a press release
apologizing for not having known that Laura Bush was a
teacher and librarian. I doubt Heinz-Kerry didn't know that.
Democratic - unspin - machine.
\_ Which sounds more likely?:
THK knew Laura Bush's history and decided to talk smack about
it in the face of logic. -OR-
THK was uninformed but talked out her ass anyway
\_ I'm putting my money on the latter. THK is very proud
of her record as "opinionated" and "outspoken." In
other words, she proud of her ability to talk out her
***. |
| 2004/10/20-21 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:34252 Activity:nil 50%like:35307 |
10/20 UC Berkeley Data stolen (from /., but motd is boring today)
http://csua.org/u/9ki
\_ What kind of computer was hacked? |
| 2004/10/20-21 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:34253 Activity:very high |
10/20 Just read that Theresa Heinz Kerry was born in Mozambique.
Will this be the first time a first lady will have not have
been born in the US?
\_ Damn subversive Mozambicans trying to control the gubmint.
\_ Louisa Adams was born in England.
\_ Oh that's the same. Maybe it's not a "real" country
\_ maybe Kerry will be the Mozambiquian Candidate.
\_ I just read that John Kerry speaks fluent French. Is this the
first time we have a presidential candidate who can speak French?
\_ Maybe in the last 50 years, but no.
\_ Is it the first time we've had a candidate who "looks French"?
\_ He's a Czech Jew, you moron. Stop being a hater long enough
to get your slurs right.
\_ I think your sarcasm meter is broken.
\_ Vote for me! I'll be the first president to speak fluent
Korean! I bet that'll bring NK to the table. -jrleek
\_ Does sky speak Korean?
\_ Just certain words.
\_ Kerry's not going to win, so your question is moot.
\_ there had to be someone to say this.
\_ yes, motd, fair and balanced.
\_ I know that the first three or four first ladies were not
born in the United States. |
| 2004/10/20-21 [Politics/Domestic/California, Computer/SW/Security] UID:34254 Activity:moderate Edit_by:auto |
10/20 Hi, I've created a toy web site that will hopefully be a bit of
insightful for people who want to know the "slant-ness" of different
news source: http://www.slantcheck.org
I already bought the domain names, I'm now looking for a place
to host it. If you would like to help please email me. -kchang
\_ http://www.free-webhosts.com/webhosting-01.php
\_ Kevin, does it occur to you that averaging faulty sensor
readings doesn't produce meaningful results? Maybe if we
had some sort of pagerank for people this could work. -- ilyas
\_ the same is true for web votes on http://cnn.com, http://cbsnews.com, etc.
Also read his disclaimer. It's not meant to be scientific at all
\_ I know. I am saying why add to the garbage? -- ilyas
\_ ilyas-- what is trash to you may be useful to others.
To say categorically that something has no value,
says a lot about you. Secondly, most systems require
some level of trust and certainly all systems are
subject to abuse. Just look at the electoral college,
Gerrymandering, e-vote machines crashing, etc.
No system is abuse free -- some systems are much
more abuse prone than the others (case in point informal
internet vote). It's good to have a starting point
somewhere, and in time, refine the system to a point
that it is much less abuse prone and that it is
generating acceptible results.
\_ It does say a lot about me. It says that I think
systems where a vote is trivial to fake, where
a single person can trivially cast arbitrary
numbers of votes, where the opinions of all
people are weighed equally, etc. etc. etc.
will produce garbage. No one will
rely on such a system for anything other
than generating empty motd conversations.
Having said that, I welcome differing opinions
of 'others,' because I am curious how http://cnn.com
polls can possibly be of any use to anyone.
I want to be proven wrong here. If you honestly
want to make progress in this area, you can
look at social networks/pagerank research,
or computer security. -- ilyas
\_ Aw, I thought it was going to run news articles through some sort
of analysis program to compute the results. Instead I find it's
just an unfiltered click poll.
\_ that itself is a PhD thesis right there. Context sensitive
weight analysis.
\_ Yeah, well I could hope for some arbitrary heuristics at
least. A poll isn't right... the name evokes http://factcheck.org
which at least provides human analysis. A <DEAD>slantcheck.org<DEAD>
run by some dedicated individuals who analyze submitted
instances of "slant" could actually be an interesting
service that could get national attention.
\_ Is this thing just a cry for attention?
\_ I dunno. But a http://factcheck.org comparison is natural...
hey I would enjoy doing that analysis as part of
some funded group. Those http://factcheck.org people get
paid to sit around and analyze the same shit you
guys all do on the motd every day.
\_ thanks for the response guys. The bottom line is that there are
a lot of improvements and changes that need to be made in
order to make the results fair and meaningful. I'd love to
implement some of the features that were suggested, but most
of them require a lot of time and/or money. Please keep up these
great suggestions, but even more importantly, send me money
via PayPay. Once I generate enough interests and funding,
I'll be able to hire someone to implement these
features. Thanks. -kchang
\_ How are we supposed to know you aren't going to spend it all
on h07 42n ch1x, or hire one to "implement" your features?
\_ he's gonna hire hot UCLA chicks to implement the features :) |
| 2004/10/20-21 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:34255 Activity:insanely high |
10/20 Hey conservatives- take back your own party please. A bit of history:
http://www.theocracywatch.org/taking_over.htm
\_ You must not be familiar with the extensive Christian origins
of this nation.
\_ They were mostly deists. The current regime are fundamentalists.
\_ Patently false. Stop reading these atheist internet sites, they
are bogus.
\_ Patently false. Stop reading these atheist internet sites,
they are bogus.
\_ Patently false. Stop reading these Christian internet
sites, they are bogus.
\_ I'm not going to bother to get into this. If one
reads their original writings and speeches their
Christianity is obvious, unless you are stupid.
\_ Most of them, but not all of them. Jefferson
was not.
\_ Indeed a great number of them, but the separation
of church and state was more than an offhand
comment to them. Remember what they were rebelling
against: King George and the COE. Royalty and
theocracy. Two things our current George seems
perfectly happy to bring back. I for one don't
want to see revolution in my lifetime. I'd much
rather see the fucker go peacefully in this
election. --scotsman
p.s. It's good to see you as blissfully ignorant
as ever mr. black.
\_ I am amused that professed lovers of
democracy start muttering about revolution
under their breath as soon as an election
or 3 doesn't go their way. Make up your mind
is the tyranny of {the majority|electoral
college|etc} good or bad? I don't know what
Bush truly wants to do in his heart of hearts
(probably party or something) but the office
of the POTUS is a moderating kind of chair
to sit in. The bigger the chair, the less
important are the psychological particulars of
the ass sitting on it. No one is
complaining about Nancy Pelosi and her brand
of Bay Area liberal insanity, although she is
very influential in the DNC right now. If you
think Bush wants to bring royalty back in the
US, you ve gone off the deep end, sorry.
I mean this makes LeRouchies sound reasonable.
-- ilyas
\_ Ilya, I'm talking about history and vague
worries when I talk about revolution. Our
democracy is far from healthy. The tyranny
of the majority is really the tyranny of
less than a plurality of, oh, 30%? And by
royalty, we've had this discussion before.
It's not direct governmental plutocracy.
It's handing over power, tax refunds, and
a blind eye to institutions and individuals
who could give a shit about the public. If
that's what the subplurality of 30% really
want, let alone a majority of the public,
then, yes, I worry. --scotsman
\_ (a) Saying "all Bush opponents are talking
about revolution" equates to "all
conservatives are right wing religious
nutcake loonies." (b) POTUS itself may
eclipse individual personalities, but it
_is_ a tremendously powerful office,
especially when combined with a disciplined
and determined crew, as now. (c) Who
says nobody's complaining about Pelosi?
She's part of the reason voters are being
forced to choose "less worse" instead of
"better" this year. -John
\_ re: (a) I was talking about Ben in
particular. re: (c) Maybe people are,
but I haven't heard anything, and
certainly nothing compared to the volume
of low grade bile directed at Bush.
-- ilyas
\_ (a) be more specific, (c) a lot of
SF residents have loads of low
grade bile for her from when she
was a supervisor. -John
\_ BushCo is interested in maintaining power,
moreso than any other Pres. since LBJ.
The more petty and ridiculous tricks are
pulled by both sides, the less moral high
ground there is to go around, and the
more both sides sound wholely corrupt and
powermongering. That BushCo has players
who excel at the game while the Dems seem
be playing the Washington Generals merely
stokes the flames against the Pres.
\_ That's because a whole lot of these
"professed lovers of democracy" are
actually thinking, "I'm smarter than
everyone else. I should be in charge."
They're fine as long as everyone else
agrees with them, but if some people
think differently, they must be stupid
and wrong and therefore should not
have a vote.
\_ I am, I should, they are. Well, most
of them, anyway. -John
\_ No, Mr. Leek. It's not some elitist
tendency. It's a compassionate, dare
I say Christian (raised Lutheran over
here), drive in me that actually cares
about the people and the country. Did
I claim anyone should "not vote"? I
would love to see election day made a
national holiday so no one would have an
excuse not to. I would love to have been
required to take civics in high school
or even jr. high. If our voter turnout
even began to approach that of some other
countries, I think you'd be greatly
dismayed at how out of touch you are.
In the meantime, I'd suggest that rather
than be insulting, you actually put your
arguments forward in good faith.
--scotsman
\_ I actually not sure how to
respond to this mix of oddness.
I agree that people should take
civics in school, along with
economics. I'm not sure where
you get the idea that I don't
care about the country or the
people. I'm not even sure what
\_ I didn't say you don't. Read what
you said. See how it's directly
insulting. Read what I said.
Realize I was talking about myself
in defence of charges of a super-
iority conflict. --scotsman
you're saying I'm out of touch
with. All I'm saying is that the
road to hell is paved with good
intentions. I think you're
making assumptions about my
political positions that you know
nothing about. (And what's with
telling me you were raised
Lutheran? Am I supposed to care?
Did you know Paolo was rasied
Catholic? So what? He's still
Paolo.)
\_ How delightfully low on signal. Drop trou and produce
debunk (and not from some fundie site) or eat crow. |
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10/20 I need to call long distance (to canada) tonight and somehow my phone
card does not work. Since I never signed up for a long distance
carrier, is there a 1010* service that does not charge a minimum or
monthly fee? Ok tnx!
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10/20 Kerry, from 1994, clarifies what constitutes a "global test"
http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/KerryBalkans01.wmv |
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