Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2004:September:24 Friday <Thursday, Saturday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2004/9/24 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:33737 Activity:very high
9/23    I apologise for thinking Kerry was always a peacenik wimp.
        Kerry in favor of pre-emptive, unilateral attack against Iraq:
        \_ When public opinion changes, I change my mind.  What do you do
           \_ i usually claim that my original position was misunderstood
              and mischaracterize, and that i've had my current position
              all along.
              all along.  this works even better when i can find some
              sympathetic press to chime along.
              \_ Okay guys, here's some news analysis for you.  Take it for
                 what it is.  Basically says that Kerry's Iraq position has
                 been remarkably consistent for years, if very "middle of the
                 \_ like i said, it works better when there's sympathetic
                    \_ Right, it's all a conspiracy of the libuhral media.
                       \_ You noticed, after all the Wall St. scandals,
                          analyst articles also detail the analyst's
                          relationship with the company.  Why don't
                          news reporters and editorials at least self-
                          indentify their political leanings?  Oh, because
                          they trained to be impartial and so their leanings
                          don't matter.  Right.
                          \_ If they were truly impartial and interested in
                             the truth, they'd spend a lot more time dissecting
                             the propaganda that spews out of the White House.
                             \_ Let me guess, you would self-identify as a
                                Democrat or liberal?
                                \_ A social progressive who supported the
                                   ouster of Saddam Hussein, just not the way
                                   the President went about it.
        \_ "We know we can't count on the French. We know we can't
           count on the Russians," said Mr. Kerry. "We know that
           Iraq is a danger to the United States, and we reserve
           the right to take pre-emptive action whenever we
           feel it's in our national interest."
           Oh yea real consistent.
           \_ Transcripts are not available.  You're relying on a Republican
              senator's memory.  Pull trou, or get off my goddamn show.
              \_ Read more carefully.  He has a tape, and he shared it on
                 the radio, dummy.
                 \_ He could have faked the tape.
                 \_ See, that's just it.  He has the tape.  He's offered to
                    share it.  It's not been reported that he did share it,
                    nor is there any unofficial transcript.  It doesn't help
                    that this is being reported in a blurb column.  It deserves
                    its own article.
                    \_ He's not a Dem.
                       \_ Or a Rep. seeking to prove that Iraq sought to buy
                          yellowcake from Nigeria.
                          \_ Nigeria != Niger.
2004/9/24 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:33738 Activity:insanely high
9/24    I have a directory with a bunch of image files names DSCNxxxx.jpg.
        What's the quickest way to rename them all to Dscnxxxx.jpg? (just
        changing the capitalization of the first 4 letters).
        \_ foreach i (*.jpg)
           mv $i `echo $i | sed -e s/DSCN/Dscn/`
           I'm a hardware engineer and even I can come up with something
           \_ You're assuming the OP has csh access to the directory.
              \_ Okay, the why don't you just "dir" the files to a
                 text file, send it to your soda account, write a script
                 to change the names (DOS batch file), and viola.
              \_ ObCygwin
           \_ I'm looking for a one-liner that actually works... this
              gives me "i: Undefined variable.". This is on linux and I do
              have csh access. The perl suggestion below is a good idea but
              it's overkill for what I'm doing right now. -op
              \_ In Perl:
              # Usage: rename perlexpr [files]

              ($regexp = shift @ARGV) || die "Usage:  rename perlexpr [filenames]\n";

              if (!@ARGV) {
                 @ARGV = <STDIN>;

                    foreach $_ (@ARGV) {
                       $old_name = $_;
                          eval $regexp;
                             die $@ if $@;
                                rename($old_name, $_) unless $old_name eq $_;


                  Use 's/DSCN/dscn/' for the regex at the commandline or just
                  modify the $regex variable.
        \_ Your OS?
        \_ What you want is a nice perl script that renames it to
           YYYYMMDD_HHMMSS_xxxx.jpg. This is the way to archive images.
           Besides the image, the time is the next most important thing,
           but with Windows and day light saving time and time zone, and
           that sometime you forget to set the camera's clock correctly
           when you travel, relying on file timestamp and exif time is
           really not a good idea. Embed the picture time into the filename
           is a permanent way to record the time of a photo.
        \_ If you are using 4NT, just do "ren DSCN* Dscn*"
        \-ls | awk '{print "mv " $1"   "$1}' | sed 's/  DSC/Dsc//' | sh
           \_ This works in NT Command Prompt.  You don't need 4NT.
        \-ls | awk '{print "mv " $1"   "$1}' | sed 's/  DSCN/Dscn//' | sh
           \_ you should just use gsub in your awk.
              \- as i said last time this came up on the motd, anybody
                 asking a question like this isnt going to be familiar
                 with complicated awk or sed, backrefs etc. So it's best to
                 make something easy to modify. i suppose i should have
                 used the nth match for sed. i would personally just do
                 this in emacs. --psb
2004/9/24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:33739 Activity:very high
9/24    Burkett: Lockhart Asked Me for Rathergate Documents
        Gotta loves the Clinton's, their stench just never goes
                               \_ No apostrophe necessary.  The apostrophe
                                  doesn't mean: "Warning: 's' follows."
        away.  And remember, according to Dan Rather, Burket is
        an "unimpeachable source".
        \_ This is just the Clintons torpedoing Kerry's campaign so
           Hillary can run in 08.  Duh.
        \_ Please. Gary Trudeau offered $10k for evidence of Bush's service.
           If someone sent him allegedly forged documents, would he be at
           fault for asking for such evidence?
           \_ You know, I never heard about this before the motd.  And I
              stopped reading Doonesbury a long while ago when Trudeau went
              completely loopy IMO.  It's quite possible that there aren't any
              GWB supporters that could verify the claim reading the strip.
        \_ newsmax article quoting forth worth star telegram, which had
           subsequently retracted the lockhart claim.  there are enough
           lies flying back and forth on both sides already.  let's not
           add to it.
           \_ What's the csuamotd login/pwd for
2004/9/24 [Uncategorized] UID:33740 Activity:nil
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2004/9/24-25 [Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:33741 Activity:high
9/24    Regarding the link below, I'm really surprised that
        Bush doesn't get more donations from oil industries and instead get
        them from 'retired' people. Weird...
        \_ People begging for SS have a surprising amount of money to
           throw around.
           \_ It's not so much a widows-and-orphans welfare system as a giant
              pension system.  Hell, Warren Buffet is eligible.
              \_ Well, yeah.  Which is why it's stupid, now anyway.  Why
                 should old people be getting money?  Aside from asinine
                 health care costs, they have very few expenses.  No
                 children, no where to go, and usually, pleanty of money.
                 \_ Old people are generally not poor in this country because
                    of Social Securirty.  There's a reason SS was created in the
                    first place you know.  Would you prefer we return to the
                    days where the elderly mostly lived in abject poverty,
                    and people would literally work themselves until their
                    death for fear of retirement?
                    \_ So you say.  I think reality differs.
                       \_ I think you're wrong.  Look at the demographics of
                          the poor from before SS and after.
                          \_ Situation has changed since SS was
                             introduced.  A lot.
                             \_ You're right.  However, with the widening
                                income gap in this country, it seems that
                                we are rapidly going back to something
                                approximating the '20s.
                                \_ And social security is going with it.
                                   \_ Wow.  So we agree!  Thanks!
                                      \_ Well, the fact that SS is hozed
                                         and broken is hardly a secret.
                                         Nor is the fact that the Dems
                                         stole all the money from it.
                                         \_ Wow.  Wrong on both counts.
                                            Way to go...
                                         \_ Care to back up that accusation?
                                            \_ I think it's rather the reverse.
                                               The Republicans have presided
                                               over the largest expansions in
                                               public spending.
                                            \_ Since LBJ was in the white
                                            \_  You are wrong. It was Reagan
                        who proposed that the payroll medicare and SS taxes
                        be doubled in the 80s. It was argued hat starting with
                        the 80s, the surplus money generated by the higher
                        payroll tax payments would be used to retire the
                        government debt so that by the time the baby boomers
                        start retiring, the government would be in a better
                        position to pay their pensions. Yet, there hasn't been
                        a single year during the Reagan era when ALL of the
                        surplus payroll tax payments were not shamelessly used
                        for purposes completely unrelated to the social
                        security or debt retirement. It was actually Bill
                        Clinton who cared about balancing the budget. Then came
                        GWB has again run record decicits and also proposed
                        record breaking deficits for future without any viable
                        proposal for a viable SS reform. Most economists agree
                        the this country will be broke soon if this doesn't
                        \_ Pessimism never created a job!  Just put your
                           blinders on, go to Walmart and buy Britney Spears
                           and let the folks in Washington deal with the bean
                    house. Pretty much that whole time was a Dem congress.
2004/9/24-25 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/California/Prop] UID:33742 Activity:very high
9/24    I am annoyed by the Chron's sloppy reporting on the UC admission
        GPA increase.
        In one paragraph, they talk about "4900 fewer students in the
        eligibility pool".  In another paragraph, they talk about the
        smaller number of each racial group who would be admitted, but
        they do this trick that confuses members of the eligibility
        pool with the students actually admitted.  (I imagine not that
        many 2.8 GPA students were admitted into UCB.)  What I really
        want to know is how the policy would actually affect admissions,
        say by looking at admission statistics of the last several years.
        But the Chron deliberately, lazily, or misleadingly  does not
        provide that information.  Does anyone know?
        \_ I was admitted with a 2.8 highschool gpa.  I agree that it's
           probably rare.  There were also minimum SAT score requirements
           which were higher the farther your gpa was below 3.0, iirc.
        \_ You mean "the Chron's sloppy reporting."  period.
           \_ I am not usually bothered by the Chron since I use other
              news sources most of the time.  Thinking about it more
              though, I am somewhat worried that there are people who
              depend on it for their primary "in depth" news source.
        \_ I don't understand.  If conditions are bad at your school,
           shouldn't it be easier to get a high GPA?
           \_ Easier given the same amount of effort, but if you've ever
              been to a bad school you'd understand why this is not
              necessarily true. Lots of kids are trying to survive, not
              get a high GPA.
              \_ Generally those kids aren't too worried about going
                 to a UC either.
                 \_ Which is the sad part, because they should be. To
                    compare Beverly Hills High to Crenshaw High in terms
                    of GPA is silly. It's probably *harder* to get a high
                    GPA at a place like Crenshaw, despite less
                    \_ I agree with you there.  Which is why we need to
                       fix the schools, not make it easier to get into
                       college.  Then it's already too late.
                       \_ What's that?  The public schools are broken?
                          But ... how can that be?  Aren't they overseen
                          by the ALMIGHTY STATE?  WHAT WENT WRONG?  It
                          must be the greedy private interests that fucked
                          up our schools!
                          \_ In fact it was. Prop 13.
                             \_ BWAHAHAHA!
                             \_ Not Prop 13. Check out:
                                [disguised wingnut link]
                             \_ Read:
                                "Despite Proposition 13 and other limitations,
                                state and local government spending in
                                California in in line with spending in other
                                states. In 1999-2000, state and local
                                government spending per capita in California
                                exceed the average of all other states by 9%."
                                The lack of tax money is not a problem. What
                                is a problem is how we choose to spend it.
                                \_ is that adjusted for things like local
                                   cost of materials/cost of living?
                                   \_ Doesn't look like it.  Nor the teachers'
                                      salaries, for that matter.
                                \_ Ah, but what's spending as % of GDP?
                                \_ California had good public schools before
                                   Prop 13. I am old enough to remember.
                                   \_ And free junior colleges.  We REALLY
                                      need to reexamine.
                                      \_ And CA ranks near the bottom of
                                         the US in state spending per student
                                         \_ I don't think most people are
                                            against spending more on
                                            schools, if there was any
                                            chance of it getting better.
                                            Have you seen the schools?
                                            They're run my complete
                                            \_ Have you considered working in
                                               the schools? It's terrible!  The
                                               pay is shit, the hours are long
                                               and you have medeling from nosy
                                               parents and a school-board run
                                               by junior politicians.  It's no
                                               wonder they can't attract good
                                               \_ Wow... how can this
                                                  travesty happen with a
                                                  STATE-RUN INSTITUTION?
                                                  Surely, there must have
                                                  been some sort of shadowy
                                                  special-interest involvement
                                                  from greedy multinational
                                                  corporations that caused
                                                  \_ Okay, think about it
                                                     this way.  How often have
                                                     you received good service
                                                     at a Denny's, or some
                                                     shop at the mall, or
                                                     first level tech support
                                                     from a big company. If
                                                     you don't pay enough,
                                                     the good people won't
                                                     stick around "for the
                                                     love of it."
                                \_ It is not relevant that CA had good
                                   schools before Prop 13. CA has plenty
                                   of tax revenue. The reason CA spends
                                   less on education is because we spend
                                   a smaller % of tax revenue on
                                   education (22% for CA versus 25%
                                   elsewhere). Read the PPIC article. Prop
                                   13 is just a scapegoat. In the 1970s
                                   sale tax was 3% and houses cost $35K
                                   (i.e. property values far outstripped
                                   inflation). More taxes is not the
                                   \_ What does California spend it tax
                                      money on then? I am genuninly
                                      curious. Do you have a reference?
                                      \_ Yes. THE LINK ABOVE TO PPIC says
                                         that. If you want to know
                                         everything broken down look here:
                                         BTW, CA has the highest paid
                                         teachers in the nation.
                                         \_ they make TWO hunks of dirt a day!
                           California lags far behind the rest of the
                           nation in per pupil expenditures.
                                    \_ Try looking at: Serrano v. Priest
2004/9/24-25 [Recreation/Computer/Games, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:33743 Activity:nil
9/24    Scott Kurtz breaks down the proper use of the word "gay"
        \_ I would add another use of the adjective "gay."  Using it
           sarcastically in a context where some dickhead 17 year old
           meathead jock might, but around people who know you don't mean
           it in the same way is a subtle way of making fun of the
           17 year old meathead jock, which I don't feel the slightest
           bit bad about.
        \_ scott kurtz = teh ghey
           \_ w00t!  scott kurtz = pwned
2004/9/24-26 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:33744 Activity:kinda low
9/24    Turkmenbashi greatest poet!  All hail Turkmenbashi!
        \_ Just in case if someone doesn't know who Turkmenbashi is, check
           out wikipedia article,
           \_ Thank you, it's much richer with the context.
           \_ Holy crap.  Shades of Saddam.
              \_ Way, way more insane
2004/9/24-25 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:33745 Activity:nil
9/24    Kerry misquoted:
        (AKA, you got punked!)
                      \_ pwnd
        \_ And strangely unsurprising...
        \_ Not related: Kerry is now doing to Bush what Bush has been
           doing to Kerry this whole campaign: taking quotes our of context
           and spinning them to make the other guy look bad.  Bush said that
           "we can't win the war on terrorism" and Kerry has been beating
           Bush up over that quote.  What Bush meant was that since
           you aren't fighting against a country you'll never have a surrender
           like a normal war, so you really can't "win" in the classic sense.
           That's a pretty deep statement coming from Bush, and he's back to
           talking like a caveman again ("Freedom good. Terrorists bad.
           Mongo kill terrorists!").  Way to go Kerry!
           \_ There really is no reason to take Bush out of context.  His
              in context statements are revolting enough.  By the way, have
              you heard anyone harp on that line since Bush "clarified" it?
           \_ Abortions for some, tiny American flags for others!
2004/9/24-25 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:33746 Activity:nil
        Vote Bush, or the terrorists^W satanists have won!
2004/9/24-25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:33747 Activity:moderate
9/24    Soda Mark V needs to find a new home; specifically anywhere but in the
        office.  Therefore we are putting your beloved former home up for
        auction.  Priority goes first to the highest bidder if there is one,
        then to whomever claims it and provides a means to get it out of our
        office, then lastly to ENS.  The machine appears to be mostly in tact,
        minus the hard drives (campus rules say we have to wipe or remove hard
        drives, and we're lazy).  No extra cables (power, keyboard, etc) will
        be provided; just what is already in the case.  A picture and the specs
        can be found at .  I'll
        try to address any questions here on the motd.  MOTD wipers, please
        leave this post in tact for a while.  Thanks.
        - jvarga
        \_ If the drives haven't yet been removed, why not just dd if=/dev/zero
           \_ That would require me to plug it in and boot it up and that
              violates my strict code of "don't do more than you have to to
              make people think you've done something." - jvarga
              \_ Well a machine with SCSI controller and disks is a whole lot
                 more useful than a machine with a SCSI controller and no disk.
                 \_ Of course, but the point is to get soda for nostalgia
                    purposes, not really for a working machine.  For $20 you
                    can probably find a more powerful machine at any salvage
                    shop.  I suppose if someone really wants the disks, I'm
                    willing to supervise them doing the wipe themselves.
                    - jvarga
        \_ Why not put that thing in the official motd? motd.public is prone to
           fickle storms of destruction.
           \_ Considered that, but people can't make direct replies.  I've got
              a saved copy of my post if someone blows this away.  But just
              remember this: I am squish happy and shall rampage like none
              other if I so please.  Either that or I'll just post it again.
              Whichever requires the least effort. - jvarga
           \_ I'm sure some alumni can get together to pitch in a dollar
              and give not quite so old soda a new home.
        \_ jvarga, the public motd is reserved for alum who have nothing
           better to do and is a place for jokes and/or heated political
           discussion. Your post does not fall into these categories, so
           I will nuke it in an hour. Also I don't appreciate the fact that
           you, pst, and politburo have been ignoring my emails for the past
           2 months.
        \_ Who could possibly be interested in that piece of junk? Just
           throw it away.
           \_ This whole thread is a good example of what lazy dumbasses
              the current Politburo is.
                \_ how lazy is Politburo?
                   How lazy?
                   It is so lazy, it doesn't want to squish people anymore.
                \_ if you have such a problem with them maybe you should
                   just give up your soda account.
                \_ Huh?  You're gonna have to explain that one.  Ever
                   since we upgraded Soda, Soda V has been in the office,
                   and every politburo has said, "We're gonna auction it
                   to the allumni... someday"  So, now that this politburo
                   actually DOES something about it, they're lazy.
2004/9/24-27 [Reference/Religion] UID:33748 Activity:low
9/24    The Rape Jihad
        \_ And the Bible says you should do lots of horrible things too, but
           he's not blaming Christians as a whole for things that are in the
           \_ The irony is atheists are responsible for over
              100 million deaths in the 20th century, and still counting.
              Liberal western democracies are entirely predicated
        \_ And da damn Bible says ya' should do lots uh ho'rible wahtahmelluns
           too, but he's not blamin' Christians as some whole fo' wahtahmelluns
           dat are in de Bible.  What it is, Mama!.
           \_ De irony be adeists are responsible fo' over
              100 million deads in de 20d century, and still countin'.
              Liberal western democracies be entirely predicated
              on Protestant and Judaic beliefs.
              History, the bane of atheists.
              \_ It sounds like your bane is critical thinking. --aaron
              \_ No they aren't, and no they aren't.
              'Sup, histo'y, de bane uh adeists.
              \_ It sounds likes yo' bane be critical dinkin'. --aaron
              \_ No dey ain't, and no dey ain't.
2004/9/24 [Uncategorized] UID:33749 Activity:nil
        Tech support outsourcing to Innnndia.
        \_ Isn't this old news?
2004/9/24 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:33750 Activity:nil 76%like:33753
9/24    If America were Iraq, what would it be like? (
2004/9/24-27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:33751 Activity:high
9/24    Dear jvarga, how come "more /etc/motd" isn't in the default .login
        for new members? Do you guys (new people) not care about the
        tradition anymore?
        \_ The policy of displaying the motd on login was ended by (I
           beleive) the same president who suspended the motd after 9/11,
           and for the same reasons.
           and for the same reasons. -jrleek
           \_ is that why the post 9/11 motd is basically the same people
              talking the same shit every day ad nauseum?
              \_ Oh please.  What have YOU done to make motd more
                 interesting, other than your tedious bitching?
                 \_ probably more than you.  you want writing samples from
                    the archives?
                    \_ cf.  'ad naseum'
        \_ My understanding of this is that somewhere at some time, it was
           decided that the motd tends to scare off people and that it should
           therefore not pop up automagically for new users.  Personally, I
           am inclined to leave it as such unless someone gives me a
           convincing argument to the contrary.  I see no problem in maybe
           adding a line that tells users "type `more /etc/motd` to read the
           message of the day" to the default .login. - jvarga
           \_ somewhere at some time. Ok. I guess the new administration
              no longer keeps track of minutes, etc. No more historian, etc.
              Damn lazy gen-Y kids.                     -late 80s alumni
           \_ New users _should_ see the motd, as it does contain messages
              relevant to the CSUA (remember not giving people "soda accounts"
              but rather "CSUA memberships") especially the top bit.  Maybe
              change the disclaimer to something like "everyone on soda
              can post below."  -John
              \_ How about we add "more /etc/motd.official" instead of motd for
                 new members from now on?
           \_ you know jvarga, if the old politburo were still running,
              you'd be squished for this kind of attitude.
              \_ huh?
        \_ Where is the love? The idea is good.
                It would have worked without the comments.
2004/9/24-25 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:33752 Activity:high
9/24    Dear Politburo, how much has sameer donated to CSUA? He is a fine
        example of a rich alumni who made it big (really big, and even
        appeared on the Time magazine) during the easy lucrative dot-com
        days and I'm wondering how much rich people donate. ok thx
        \_ forbes, not time.  why am i commenting on your inane
           questions.  i hate myself. - danh
        days and I'm wondering how much rich people donate. ok thx
        \_ Dear dumbass, there are a lot of us alumni who'd like to donate who
           simply don't have an easy way to do it.
        \_ who is sameer?
        \_ communist
2004/9/24-25 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:33753 Activity:nil 76%like:33750
9/24    If America wuz Iraq, whut would it be likes? (
2004/9/24-25 [Uncategorized] UID:33754 Activity:nil
        Tech suppo't outsourcin' t'Innnndia.  Sheeeiit.
        \_ Isn't dis old news?
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