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2004/9/20 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:33627 Activity:insanely high
9/20    Shotgun Incident Seems to Worsen for Kerry
        \_ You know the worst of it is that I sincerely believe he is
           going to lose because of this asinine irrelevant crap. -John
           \_ so for Democrats the laws are irrevelant
           \_ the 2nd amendment is asinine and irrelevant?
              \_ You're not listening to Herr John.  Read and try again.
           \_ No, he's going to lose because the Dems picked a bad
              canidate.  This other crap is just a side show.
              \_ Side show?  No.  Kerry had a great speech today about Iraq.
                 The media will ignore it in favor of OMG DAN RATHER IS
                 TEH GAY!!!!11!!!!
                 \_ They probably fell asleep as he droned on and on and
        \_ [all caps rant delete]
           \_ Hi aaron.  Your drool is showing again.
           \_ Your return on SS is < 2%.  Young adults
              today will likely receive a large, negative return on
              payments to the Fed govt.  If your so gungho on giving
              money to people for free volunteer to increase your
              tax payments.  Considering Pyongyang and Tehran are
              progressing quite rapidly with nuclear and missile
              technology, TMD is looking better and better.  TMD
              \_ Moving SS to private accounts would cost TRILLIONS.
                 Ask your favorite wonk how it would be paid for.  No
                 one can give you an answer.
                 \_ LOL its your money.  An opt-in plan would cost
                    "TRILLIONS" - you are full of it.
                    \_ Are you being obtuse?  SS is pay-as-you-go.  Current
                       payout are payed by current revenue.  Covering that
                       gap will be untenable.
                       \_ You are arguing with a moron. Just thought you might
                          want to know that.
                    \_ If the opt-in plan lets people opt-out of paying the
                       payroll tax, then if enough people opt-in, there WILL
                       be a defecit of hundreds of billions a year not going
                       to pay current and future SS benefits.  Add it up for
                       a few years and it IS trillions added to the national
              \_ tmd?  missile defense?  explain your acronyms - danh
                    \__ theater missile defense, eg. patriot and ACL.
              \_ I think the bush administration is throwing billions
                 of dollars at a nonworking nonviable faith based
                 missile defense shield.  go read
                 here's one about how the missile shield won't be
                 tested till after the election, i can't imagine why:
              \_ But that's a 2% guaranteed, real dollar #, much better
                 than what you got investing everthing in Worldcom instead.
                 the shield won't work: - danh
                 \_ So how much is a MIRVed ICBM hitting LA worth
                    to you? Not billions?
                    \_ About 2 bucks, at least that's what I'd pay to rent
                       the video and watch it over and over again.  -John

                       \_ :( -- ilyas
                       \_ I'm not a homicidal gun nut, but I play one on MOTD.
                          \_ Last week I was no guts, no brains, and before
                             that I was a fanatical nazi.  Wow, a pattern
                             develops.  First I thought you might have some
                             trouble reconciling all my fascinatingly
                             multiple personalities, but now it's all becoming
                             clear to me!  Thank you, thank you, Dr.
                             Kevorkian!  -John
                             \_ what do you mean no guts?  you are all
                             \_ Has it occured to you that there might be more
                                than one person making jibes at you?
                    \_ did you read the urls?  the system the
                       bush admin is pursuing doesn't work. - danh
        \_ I don't go to motherjones for an unbiased look at the neocons;
           why do you post links from gun nut sites and pretend they're
           going to be unbiased with regards to Kerry?
           \_ State and federal gun laws have nothing to due with political
              partisanship.  Were the founders around today they would
              be called gun nuts by leftists.
              \_ Were the founders around today, they would recognize that the
                 need for personal weaponry is antiquated and detrimental to
                 the progress of the nation.  They'd also wonder how a bunch
                 of draft-dodgers were managing to run on a pro-war platform.
2004/9/20 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:33628 Activity:moderate
9/20    What's the best way to read in an entire file into a string in C++?
        I know it's a fairly small file, so size isn't so much of an issue.
        I'm thinking of doing something like

        ifstream ifs("foo"); ifs.unsetf(ios::skipws);
        istream_iterator<char> begin(ifs);
        istream_iterator<char> end;
        string contents(begin, end);

        I should check !ifs first to see if the file opened ok, but what if
        the istream_iterator fails to read something instead, and what
        kind of performance should I expect to get? It looks pretty clean,
        but not very efficient. Thanks.
        \_ Without knowing your design constraints, there is not "best" answer.
        \_ Without knowing your design constraints, there is no "best" answer.
           Note that earlier versions of the C++ lib don't have std::string
           expand geometrically like vector, so you don't have guaranteed
           amortized constant time growth.
           \_ I'm working on fairly modern systems. This isn't really
              performance critical, but just out of curiosity, I'd like the
              fastest solution that's still relatively clean. Thanks.
2004/9/20 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:33629 Activity:moderate
9/20    Classy.  Lousiana Democrat headquarters vandalized.
        \_ Watergate II.
        \_ A 3 year old girl?!  A sign ripped out of her ... oh wait, sorry.
           Only bad things that happen to Republicans are worth getting
           outraged about.  Carry on!
           \_ Don't forget the bullet fired into the West
              Virginia Republican headquarters last week!
                 OTHERS ARE FAKE!!!!!!!!1!!!
           \_ [all caps rant delete]
        \_ You mean all those years that Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage, et al
           have been exhorting their followers to attack the traitorous
           America-hating liberals are finally having an effect?
2004/9/20 [Health/Women, Recreation/Computer] UID:33630 Activity:moderate
9/20    For the guy looking for gangster manga/anime, you might enjoy
        Sanctuary by Ryoichi Ikegami.  -John
        \_ You can always recognize his work because while all the
           pictures are beautifully draw and shaded, everyone is wearing
           the same expression.
        \_ related question, does anyone know ANY women who enjoy Hentai?
           \_ One of the hentai review sits I've seen was all women
              (apparently). The reviews tended to favor vids with, you know,
              a plot. They had a separate "etchi" rating to let you know just
              how well it might get one's rocks off as far as tentacle rape
              and such.
           \_ gosh this is like young healthy straight men who hate sex
           \_ I found 8 in the Bay Area on Friendster.
2004/9/20 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:33631 Activity:nil
9/20    If I create an online comment form, do I have to worry about a
        robots.txt to prevent spiders from sending lots of blank comments?
        \_ Don't worry about it, robots don't do "submit".
           \_ More accurately, the robots that pay attention to a robots.txt
              file don't do submit. However, many blogs are being inundated
              with comment spam from robots.  I think some of the popular
              weblogging software has tools to minimize this.
2004/9/20 [Uncategorized] UID:33632 Activity:nil
9/20    White Slaves Pirate Gold - I want my reparations!
2004/9/20 [Transportation/Car] UID:33633 Activity:kinda low
9/20    I just got new tires on my car and they (Sears) told me
        that one of the struts is leaking and that I should replace
        it soon.  From looking on the web, I'm getting the impression
        that if I don't replace it, that it will not put me in
        danger, nor will it cause any damage to anything else in
        the car (including affecting the alignment?).  According
        to more than one web site, the only harm of not replacing
        the struts is that the car will not handle as well.  So my
        question is this.  Is there any good reason to change the
        struts before I notice that it's not handling well?  The
        car has over 130k miles and I've never changed the struts.
        \_ anything that leaks will eventually dry out and then
         doom happens
        \_ fyi, i have a 91 civic hatchback and also got new tires last month.
           the guys there said my bushings were all crushed and dried up and
           said they should be replaced asap, and they also said they wanted
           to do the struts.  i said later.  my car does wander a bit on the
        \_ Bad shocks can make handling bad enough to be unsafe as well
           as reduce braking ability. Additionally, they can lead to bad
           tire wear as oscillations are much more likely (read about
           flat spots, cupping, etc.).  You may not notice it going bad
           with a gradual failure, unlike the sudden change when something
           snaps.  At 130k miles, handling has probably already diminished
           a lot! Most shocks have a rated lifetime of around 60k miles.
2004/9/20 [ERROR, uid:33634, category id '18005#16.7297' has no name! , , Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:33634 Activity:kinda low
9/20    I like how some Republicans are honest and not just chanters of "Four
        more years!":
        "The fact is, a crisp, sharp analysis of our policies is required.
        We didn't do that in Vietnam, and we saw 11 years of casualties mount
        to the point where we finally lost," said Sen. Chuck Hagel ...
        \_ Bush should've been out on his ear this election.  He shouldn't
           be re-elected, and even most Republicans agree.  The Dems
           should've had it in the bag, but the screwed it up.
           \_ Don't conservatives usually know how to spell the word?
              \_ we dont need no fancy book-learnin
        \_ Do you only believe what Repubs say when they disagree with Bush?
           \_ No.  I also don't believe Democrats when they're being stupid.-op
        \_ Bush has support because this is a campaign about America and
           Americans. America is great because of great Americans. Americans
           are good, strong people. They support a strong America. The American
           people are good people of Faith. We believe in our kids, and in our
           young men and women in the armed forces. Americans support our
           troops. George W. Bush understands Americans, and knows the value
           of maintaining strong communities that are the heart of America.
           His opponent may not share these American values. His opponent may
           stand up there and complain about America, and tell you Americans
           are wrong. Well that's for Americans to decide. There's an old
           Texas saying, it went "America: the land of the brave". Or was
           that the home of the brave. And the free. Because this is about
           freedom. Thank you.
           \_ Brilliant summation of the Bush argument style. It's so hard
              to believe people lap this up.
              \_ People lap this up because they are STUPID DOGS.  They need
                 THE WAY!  Save us Berkeley liberals!  Save America!
                 \_ That's right! Those evil socialist communist terrorist
                    homosexuals think they're so damn SMART! We don't need
                    their droning pompous WHINING! Real Americans know a Real
                    American President when they see one! Oh and here, have
                    some free conservative prescription drugs!
            \_ Agreed, however this is simply Nationalism which can be
               very dangerous in the wrong hands.  I would give examples
               but don't want to be mistaken as a troll.
            \_ Dude, bring a napkin, you are getting your liberal jizz all
                 over the motd.
                 \_ I'm surprised you can speak with your mouth wrapped around
                    Cheney's dick.
                    \_ Is this some sort of liberal overcompensation for the
                       Clinton fiasco(s)?  Kind of like how the DNC convention
                       looked like a military junta because they were accused
                       of being anti-military wimps for so long they had to
                       lurch too far the other way?
                    \_ Boys, boys, please!  This is not!
                    \_ It's easy when the dick is so BIG and TAX FREE!
2004/9/20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:33635 Activity:kinda low
9/20    CBS recants.
        I hope all the defenders of the authenticity of the Killian memo
        have the intellectual integrity to admit they were misled.  I can
        understand the impulse to defend all things anti-W.  But when the
        subject is unworthy, the defense ultimately hurts more than it helps.
        \_ What, I've been saying all along that at least one was probably
           a fake or transcribed.  You must be talking about those sodans
           posting the links, right?  Anyway, for those who STILL
           think they're authentic copies, here's a side-by-side comparison of
           real vs. fake. -liberal  (Post)
           \_ I wish the defenders of the memo would be at least honest
              enough to admit their faith in their authenticity was
              unjustified.  I'm a Salon reader, and they defended the
              memos when they came out.  I don't think they've mentioned
              CBS's apology except in passing.
           \_ I never said they were real, I just said that they were not
              produced with MS Word. I still stand by that. -real liberal
              \_ you sound like how dubya wants to portray kerry.
                 -"fake" liberal
                 \_ I guess I don't follow.
                    \_ yer dodging the substantive question and trying to have
                       it both ways.
                       \_ Which is what this whole debacle is anyway.  I like
                          how the secretary saying "I didn't type that memo,
                          but I typed others with the same sentiment" quickly
                          was shortened to "I didn't type that memo."
              \_ Are you the "That is correct" guy in the following motd
                 posts?  Quoting...
                          \_ Are you saying that the specific memo talked
                             about in the URL is not fake?
                             \_ That is correct. If you create a document
                                using a font with a typewriter and then
                                reproduce it 30 years later using a computer,
                                they should look very much alike.  That is
                                the whole point of having a font.
                 And then later in the same thread, (more quoting)
                          \_ Look, I just proved that it was not produced
                             with a computer. What else could have created it?
                 \_ In response to: "At least one of the memos is MS Word
                    generated." Admit it, you were wrong about the MS Word
                    bit. That was all I was contending, which is obvious
                    if you read the whole thing:
                    \_ It looks like you started arguing against MS Word
                       generation and then broadened your claim when you
                       said "That is correct" to the question "Are you saying
                       that the specific not fake?".  How else would
                       you interpret "That is correct" to "is not fake"?
                       \_ I do wish people would be honest enough to admit
                          they backed the wrong horse. - !pp
                       \_ If you misinterpreted it, then I am sorry. I
                          should have been more clear. But if I had intended
                          to proclaim them genuine I would have done so
                          in the start. I just knew that the LGF claims
                          were bogus.
                          \_ "Are you saying that the specific memo... is not
                             fake?"  "That is correct."
                    \_ I was the liberal who wrote "At least one ... MS Word
                       generated".  Later on I wrote that I read the dailykos
                       stuff (completely) and this created reasonable doubt
                       on MS Word.  Later on, I wrote that, even with
                       reasonable doubt, the preponderance of evidence was
                       still at least one or more memos were transcribed or
                       fake.  (especially with the Post finding that all
                       verified memos didn't use proportional font, see the
                       URL nearby topic header for example)
                    \_ Ah, the "raised 'e'" nonsense.  The scans in the .pdf
                       are so bad that it looks like an aliasing problem.
                       They were scanned-in faxes stored at low resolution.
                       The raised 'e's look sharper than the surrounding text
                       which would suggest imaging problems rather than a
           \_ I never cared either way but I had a problem with faulty
              logic being applied to "prove" they were fake.
              \_ What are some of the examples of faulty logic?  Were the
                 defenders of the memo logically more correct?
              \_ CBS has more credibility to lose than freepers.
        \_ Why doesn't someone (CBS?) just find a reputable lab and run
           forensics on the original document, and see whether the ink on the
           document is laser toner, inkjet ink, or typewriter ribbon ink.  Or
           just see if the paper itself is today's paper or 1972 GI paper.
           \_ CBS never had access to the original documents.
           \_ CBS is airing an interview tonight with Burkett, who passed
              the documents to CBS.  Burkett will say he misled CBS.  Don't
              know where Burkett will say he got them from.
              \_ 'So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, but rather
                 that a riot was beginning, he took water and washed his hands
                 before the crowd, saying, "I am innocent of this man's blood;
                 see to it yourselves." '
                 \_ This is incredibly lame, even for soda motd.
                    \_ But hey, Gibson made Pilate out to be the
                       good guy, misled by the eeeeeeevil Jews!  If Mad Max
                       says it, it must be true!
                       \_ Um, no, that's not what he did.
                 \_ Yep.  Rather and CBS is blameless in all this.  Crucify
                    \_ Between blameless and the crucifixion quote, the truth
                       is found somewhere in the middle.
        \_ "There are some people who will argue whether the flames are blue
           or green when the real issue is that their arse is on fire."
           The memo was a fake.  The facts outlined in the memo were not.
           \_ As much as Rather would like the only fire to be Bush-related,
              an equally legitimate fire is the memos probably being fake.
              \_ In fact, it looks like controversy over the memos will
                 make it difficult to talk legitimately about Bush's
                 National Guard non-service.
           \_ If the memos were false, how do you know their claims are true?
              The 30-year memories of an addled 86-yr. old?  The claims of a
              partisan Democrat?
              \_ Yes, but she's a spry 86-year old.
              \_ Why won't Bush simply sign his Form 180 and put this
                 controversy to rest?
2004/9/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Ilyas, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:33636 Activity:moderate
9/20    censor one, censor all
        \_ Someone's a dipshit and you wanted to one-up them?
\_ Are you trying to teach someone a lesson? Did mommy not give you a cookie?
\_ WWID, What Would Ilya Do?  Why is anyone surprised at motd censorship
   anymore?  -meyers
        \_ Are you trying to teach someone a lesson? Did mommy not give you
           a cookie?
        \_ WWID, What Would Ilya Do?  Why is anyone surprised at motd
           censorship anymore?  -meyers
           \_ It's true.  I am the patron demon of motd censorship, gun
              violence, and pollution.  The infernal hierarchy is pleased
              with my work so far.  I ll try to outlaw homosexuals next.  On
              a completely unrelated note, uh... meyers, buddy, you need to
              find more material to post about.  You can't have such a one-
              track mind.  You are the most boring regular signer on the
              motd.  -- ilyas
              \_ ilyas vs. meyers.  FIGHT!!
2004/9/20 [Uncategorized] UID:33637 Activity:nil
9/20    Again?  What the hell's wrong with you, amc?
        So censor, which thing gets your goat so much that you made it your
        mission to repeatedly expunge it?
        \_ format, people, format!
2004/9/20 [Science/Disaster] UID:33638 Activity:kinda low
9/20    Downtown Sacramento floods.
        It's classic when one of the witnesses points out, "I think his
        Pathfinder took the wrong path!"  I feel sorry for that Joe Avilano
        guy.  Let this be a reminder; don't drive through water--you never can
        tell how deep it gets.
        \_ For those who don't speak Tagalog: when he tries bailing water out
           of the car with his sneaker, his mother calls him an idiot.
        \_ He thought he's driving a Hummer H1 with a snorkeling kit.
2004/9/20-21 [Recreation/Food, Computer/Theory] UID:33639 Activity:low
9/20    You overhear a conversation.  You know the answer to their
        question.  What do you do?
        \_ What if you're wrong?
           \_ If you show uncertainty and weakness, the world will drift
              toward tragedy.
        \_ I would probably say something, but it depends on context. E.g. if
           it is someone sitting next to me at a bar I would be inclined to
           butt in, but if it someone at a different table at a nice restaurant
           I would not.
        \_ If I don't know them, I'd keep my mouth shut.  Then I can either
           listen to an answer from someone more knowledgeable, or quietly
           laugh at someone bluffing who's trying to impress some chicks.
        \_ I was in the grocery store and this really fat couple were talking
           about breakfast cereal and something about calories. Like why
           raisin bran had a lot of calories etc. and I just proferred that
           the raisins are sugarcoated. A very awkward silence ensued after
           which I scooted out of there real quick-like.
           \_ All cereals have essentially the same calories/ounce, regardless
              of how much sugar they have.
        \_ Totally depends of the type of question.  If it's something
           like Math or CS, yeah, butt in.  If it's what this guy should
           do about his cheating girlfriend, stay far away.
           \_ BZT!  You are supposed to ask the guy for his gf's phone #.
        \_ If it's some guy at a store asking "What do I need to buy to do X"
           and the salesman's saying "Hmmm...." I'll butt-in.  If their friend
           seems to have some sort of clue, I'll let them make due without my
           \-for sales people, if it is just anecdotal or preferences --
             "sure that is a comfortable camping chair" -- i dont comment but
             i have heard salesmen at places like REI give defintitely bad
             advice w.r.t. things like water filtration ... so sometimes
             i will say something after the saleperson goes away. if it is
             something like "what was the movie with X where he Ys ..."
             then obviously that is sort of situational.
2004/9/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:33640 Activity:nil
9/20    I suppose this is just fluff and doesn't mean anything:
        The MOTD may not be used for non-University business.
        \_ If politics is non-university business does that mean the
           university may not use its funds for political causes?
           Because it does.
        \_ I think "business" here means
                3. Financial dealings; buying and selling;
           rather than
                5. Affair; concern; matter;
           Perhaps someone who was on politburo when that policy was formed
           can clarify.
        \_ Berkeley has a long tradition of supporting political speech.
           \_ As long as it agrees with the profs' worldviews.
2004/9/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Ilyas, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:33641 Activity:high 54%like:30313
9/20    I suppose this is just fluff and doesn't mean anything:
        Destruction of the MOTD (by repeated deletion, jive, or any other
        method) is severly frowned upon and will result in the termination of
        your account.
        \_ this hasn't been enforced since the CSUA president decided it
           was a good idea.  -tom
        \_ Hey policy police!  I love you guys!  Where are you when some
           dumbass censors specific people?  -- ilyas
           \_ dick
           \_ I don't support that either. So?
              \_ So where's the outrage and call for squishage then?  Danh
                 pretty much admitted on wall one day to removing only my posts
                 from the motd.  Where are the calls for the squishing of
                 danh?  You are letting me down, policy police guy... -- ilyas
                 \_ if i ever walled "i have been selectively deleting
                    ilyas' posts all day!", i was definitely kidding.
                    you should turn off the computer monitor more often. - danh
                 \_ When did danh say that, and how do you know he was being
                    serious? He also said one time that he was posting
                    freeper articles, but somehow I think he was kidding.
                    \_ A while back.  Search for 'phlegm.'  I am not sure if
                       he was serious of course.  But you know, policy police
                       guy didn't even emit a peep about this, regardless of
                       whether danh was serious or not, and I certainly know
                       my posts get targetted all the time (oddly enough they
                       get targetted a lot less now that I made it clear I will
                       defend myself). -- ilyas
                       \_ "Policy police guy" doesn't follow everything going
                          on. And... did danh admit to "repeatedly" deleting?
                          \_ Policy police guy should be careful lest his
                             zeal be mistaken for hypocrisy. -- ilyas
        \_ Someone likes to delete all political posts.  Someone else is
           deleting everything other than politics in response.  One position
           seems as morally valid as the other.
           \_ Right so terminate both of them. Fact is I think it may be the
              same genius trying to make a point. Doesn't address the issue.
              \_ If anyone seriously gets squished because of the motd, I ll
                 seriously consider trying to get some bigwig at Berkeley
                 to explain to me why Berkeley tolerates all the
                 non-student/teacher/staff people using the network resources.
                 Seeing as it's against Berkeley policy and all...  Perhaps
                 we should all be squished. -- ilyas
                 \_ it is NOT against berkeley policy for alumni to "use the
                    network"; do you think it's against policy to visit the
                    Berkeley home page?  -tom
                    \_ How about copying huge files to soda's /tmp for people
                       to download over and over again? -- ilyas
                       \_ Typical ilyas; make a wildly incorrect assertion,
                          then divert to a red herring when proven wrong. -tom
                          \_ Well gee, tom, why do you think a distinction
                             involving 'students, staff, teachers' was even made
                             in the official policy document?  You must be
                             smarter than them, you should go set them straight.
                             In fact, don't bother, I ll ask them myself, using
                             soda as an example.  -- ilyas
                             \_ Well, unlike you, I was involved with writing
                                that policy, so I know exactly why it is
                                worded the way it is--it was explicitly changed
                                to allow use by alumni.  -tom
                             \_ That's a great idea ilyas.  You should get
                                soda shut down, just to prove a point.
                                \_ So what you are saying is, when the rubber
                                   hits the road, all the whining about policy
                                   is just hypocritical nonsense?  Now can we
                                   all just shut up and get back to bashing
                                   each other's heads in? -- ilyas
                                   all just shut up about policy? -- ilyas
                                   \_ You're right! No more policies at all!
                                      CSUA = libertarian utopia! Let's all try
                                      to hack each other's accounts!
                                      \_ Where's the Boy Who Cried Red Herring?
                                           -- ilyas
                                         \_ Find a mirror, and I'll show you.
                 \_ I think we're all safe since jwang is still around.
                 \_ Alternatively, you could just stop being such a
                    hypocritical little shit. [formatd]
                 \_ What about Stop deleting this assmunch
                 \_ For someone who regularily chestpounds about his
                    superior moral reasoning, your moral sensibilities
                    seem pretty slippery to me. It seems like what you
                    are saying here is, "If you don't play with these toys
                    they way I want you to play with them, then I'll go
                    tell the teacher to take all the toys away. Nayah, nayah."
                    \_ I think it's 'nyah nyah.'  Search up for
                       'hypocritical nonsense.'  We all technically violate
                       some policy, I think it's time to stop using 'policy' as
                       a club to bash someone over the head.  Petty
                       bureaucrats do that.  Don't be a petty bureaucrat,
                       they are hated even more than lawyers. -- ilyas
                       \_ the point is, people who trash the MOTD are trashing
                          a public resource; are you arguing that it's OK to
                          trash public resources?  -tom
                          \_ Well, if motd is a 'public resource' then the net
                             to which soda is hooked up is much more so.
                             And I know for a fact some people on soda misuse
                             it.  At any rate, tom, you ve been caught deleting
                             stuff from the motd.  What I am actually saying is,
                             be careful if you are in the business of
                             casting stones. -- ilyas
        \_ If I were to guess this hasn't been enforced since kchang's
           original squishing years ago.  Is that right?
2004/9/20-21 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:33642 Activity:moderate
9/20    What are the applicable laws / rules of thumb governing your CA
        driver's license #?  I know you're supposed to exchange it in an
        accident, but what happens to it after that?  What's my exposure
        to, say, a bouncer swiping my ID at a bar (happens a lot in LA)?
        \_ You have the right to not give them your ID at a bar.
           The bar has the right to not let you in without ID.
           \_ that's not helpful.
              \_ you also have the right to insult the previous poster's
                 mom and make an obtuse reference to illegal immigration.
                \ you have the right to burn American flags
2004/9/20-21 [Uncategorized] UID:33643 Activity:nil
9/20    Looks like rootshell was hacked. (quasi work safe)
        \_ .org?  Doubt it, I figure the domain just expired.  Why a
           wart removal outfit would want it though... -John
2004/9/20-21 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Uncategorized/German] UID:33644 Activity:moderate
9/20    C question.  If I have
                #define NAME    FOO
        is there any way to use NAME to create a string "FOO"?  Thanks.
        \_ Do you mean #define NAME "FOO" ?  Or do you want to declare a
           variable?  Can you show NAME used in a sample line of code?
           \_ What I want is something like, say,
                strncpy(myArray, $$NAME, sizeof myArray);
              and I want $$NAME to compile to "FOO".
              \_ What's wrong with a const char* string? You want
                 #define NAME "FOO".
                 \_ Because the #define is at somewhere else that I can't
        \_ Short answer yes, but it involves so much hackery that it's not
           worth it.  The link below used to explain how but it's 404'd now,
           maybe you can google cache for the original.
           \_ ow ow ow! (the relevant code)
              #include <stdio.h>
              #define NAMES C(RED)C(GREEN)C(BLUE)
              #define C(x) x,
              enum color { NAMES TOP };
              #undef C
              #define C(x) #x,
              const char * const color_name[] = { NAMES };
              int main( void )
              { printf( "The color is %s.\n", color_name[ RED ]);
                printf( "There are %d colors.\n", TOP ); }

              The color is RED.
              There are 3 colors.
        \_ Am I missing something? What's wrong with using #NAME to stringify?
           e.g. #define str(x) #x
           \_ Then str(NAME) gives me "NAME", but I want "FOO".
2004/9/20 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:33645 Activity:moderate
        Burkett: "I also insisted when I sat down with your staff in the
        first face-to-face session, before I gave up any documents, I wanted
        to know what you were gonna do with them. And I insisted they be
        The failure of CBS News to do just that, to properly, fully scrutinize
        the documents and their source, led to our airing the documents when we
        should not have done so. It was a mistake. CBS News deeply regrets it.
        \_ Then how come Burkett didn't provide CBS the original doc to be
           \_ It's their fault for not insisting on it if they didn't get it.
              They aren't babies.  They are adults with a professional
              responsibility to the public and special Constitutional
           \_ The failure of CBS News to do just that ...
        \_ What a complete disgrace.  The democrats and their media
           sycophants have sunk so low.
           sycophants have sunk so low.  Their behavior completely
           vindicates Zell Miller.
           \_ wherefore art thou trollio?
              \_ "Uh!  It says a bad thing about my media whores!  You must
                  be an evil trooooolll!!!  No content reply required!"
                  \_ so you're saying you aren't a troll?  If you meant
                     every word of what you wrote, then more power to you.
2004/9/20-21 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:33646 Activity:nil
9/20    I have a USB 2.0 hub. If I have devices connected to it that
        use both USB 2.0 and 1.1, will the 1.1 devices slow down 2.0
        devices? ok thx.
2004/9/20 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:33647 Activity:very high
9/20    Novak suggests Bush may withdraw almost immediately from Iraq if
        reelected, regardless of consequences:
        \_ How about Bush sending 100K more troops there with the aim of
           crushing all insurgent havens while still training up the Iraqi
           national guard / police / Army and hoping it gets down in four
           national guard / police / Army and hoping it gets done in four
           years?  If he's going to do a job, he's going to try to do it
           right as soon as the election is over.  Otherwise he'll just
           look like a flip-flopper by abandoning democracy in Iraq.
           And, this also puts a lot of people ready to go into Iran.
           If you ask me, this is what Bush will do.  Heck, we might send
           200K more troops there by that logic.
           \_ Only if people like you join up to make up the 100k
              troop deficit. Time to put your mon-, lives where your
              mouth is.... Thought so.
              \_ Don't you think this is what Dubya was pulling back all
                 the troops from Europe / S Korea for?
        \_ Bob Novak, mouthpiece of the regime and supreme douchebag.
2004/9/20 [Politics] UID:33648 Activity:nil
9/20    Politics vs. Real Life
2004/9/20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:33649 Activity:nil
9/20    Ilyas, how do you ever expect to graduate if you spend 8 hrs/day
        on the motd? I have a job and probably spend 25% of my time doing
        motd related stuff and yet you post much more than me, so I know you
        are spending more time on it than that. -anon for fear of losing job
2004/9/20 [Uncategorized] UID:33650 Activity:nil
9/20    i can't believe how lame you all are.
2004/9/20 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:33651 Activity:nil
9/20 shows "What is Bush Hiding?" and "Finally, Kerry Takes
        a Stand" as the lead topics.  Hmm...
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