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| 2004/8/17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32948 Activity:high |
8/17 LA times article written today on the swift boat controversy.
Covers the purple hearts, the medals, the rescue, the commercial,
Cambodia, the players.
http://csua.org/u/8mi
\_ I like the vague criticisms of the swifties. Nice.
\_ LAT? Should I bother reading it? I can get similar opinion from
The People's Weekly World.
\_ The article is fair and balanced. A consequence is it doesn't
come to any definite conclusions.
(You should also come off your obvious prejudice, where you
equate the LA Times with The People's Weekly World. It's like
saying: http://freerepublic.com? I can get a similar opinion from
The People's Weekly World.)
\_ You're debating an obviously inflammatory troll? Why bother?
\_ Then why doesn't the article mention that Elliot says that he
was misquoted by the Globe?
\_ "Then he issued a second affidavit standing by his first
sworn statement, saying he had been misquoted by the Globe."
\_ I have a better idea. Why don't you go to there sites and
read the accusations, which are all very well documented (e.g
photos, Congressional Records, FBI files). The question
remains, was Kerry in Cambodia with the CIA / SEALs or not?
\_ "there sites"? What do you mean?
The written evidence just shows that Kerry was not in Cambodia
on Christmas Day. Kerry also acknowledges this mistake.
As for whether he was *ever* in Cambodia, don't you think
conservatives would have loved to publish some hard facts
showing he was never there? They aren't able to, but they
can show he wasn't there on Christmas Day, which they have. |
| 2004/8/17 [Computer/Networking] UID:32949 Activity:low |
8/17 This may not work with cable modem, but does work with USB!
http://tinyurl.com/6nhvb
\_ I'm glad I use a text browser on motd links at work |
| 2004/8/17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32950 Activity:high |
8/17 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/222931p-191456c.html Ex-Navy fighter pilot Sen. Tom Harkin ... was infuriated by the veep mocking Sen. John Kerry for saying he would fight a "more sensitive war on terror." ... "When I hear this coming from Dick Cheney, who was a coward, who would not serve during the Vietnam War, it makes my blood boil ... He'll be tough, but he'll be tough with someone else's kid's blood ... It just outrages me that someone who got five deferments during Vietnam and said he had 'other priorities' at that time would say that," said Harkin, an Iowa Democrat. \_ Yep. Where was your war hero Clinton during Vietnam? This whole Vietnam litmus test is a hypocritical joke and a scam. Why won't Kerry release his military records? It's what he's running on. \_ Missed the DNC? Bill came clean and admitted that he, Bush, and Cheney all dodged their duty. And Kerry's military records have been posted on his website. Move on, son, that horse is dead. \_ Yeah now that it no longer matters to his career. And no Kerry's *complete* records are not on his website. Only selected portions. \_ So what has not yet been released? \_ The records behind all his medals for starters. All his medical records. And frankly, we don't know exactly what else but it is known that they're not all released. If we knew exactly what was in every document then no one would ask for a full release, eh? \_ So, what are you saying? That Clinton was as bad as Bush and Cheney for dodging the draft? Granted! They were all utter cowards. John Kerry and John McCain are both worth more as human beings than the other three combined. Ready to vote for Kerry now? \_ "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." -Cheney (August 2002) \_ Oh yeah, Nicaragua Harkin. A Communist dupe coming to the aid of another Communist dupe and general dork. |
| 2004/8/17 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs] UID:32951 Activity:moderate |
8/17 hola, does anybody know of something already written
to cronologically sort the default human readable date fmt,
preferably via a pipe [as opposed to emacs etc]. --psb
May 17 13:03:38 2001
May 22 17:04:12 2001
Nov 30 13:01:38 2001
Aug 21 13:02:46 2002
Aug 22 17:02:42 2002
Aug 7 21:06:41 2002
Aug 9 09:02:24 2002
\_ You might want to pipe through something like
php -r "echo strtotime(fgets(STDIN));" and then sort.
This, of course, will get rid of strings and sort by unix seconds.
Now I feel dirty for using php for something. -- ilyas
\_ Anything wrong with Perl Date::Parse?
\- hey what happened to some of the other suggestions?
nothing is "wrong" with the perl, i was just wondering
if someone had done this alrady rather than my having
to write something. i was hoping someone had cooked
up something with gnu sort analogous to something
like "sort -n -t . -k 1,1 -k 2,2 -k 3,3 -k 4,4" to
sort ip addresses. --psb |
| 2004/8/17 [Uncategorized] UID:32952 Activity:high |
8/17 The Ilyas-mocking will continue until someone posts a better thread.
\_ well, there was the beginings of a aluminum vs. xenon flame war, but
someone deleted that as well. |
| 2004/8/17 [Recreation/Pets] UID:32953 Activity:high |
8/17 Question for soda ilyases regarding envrionmental protection.
The rationale, as I understand it, against envrionmental protection
goes as follows: "it is not fair that some nameless, faceless
government agency can regulate what people can and can not do on
property they own." Assume I agree with this. Let's consider a
related kind of property. Some people own cats. In some sense, this
is property just like land. Would you support people's right to
burn their cats alive?
\_ Yeah, fresh cat is always best prepared when the cat is broiled
alive. Where have you been?
\_ Mmmm...Ilya satire is an untapped goldmine!
\_ Satire requires more effort than this.
\_ Well, I said it was _untapped_. I like the idea more than the
above attempt.
\_ Since people act as a colony much like ants, and since ants have
the right to eat any food the colony deems important, is it not
logical that humans may eat their children? -mock-ilyas
\_ Yeah, it's easier to mock than it is to respond intelligently.
\_ No. Arguing with ilyas approaches a limit at infinity
of uselessness extremely quickly.
\_ Yeah, and a lot more fun than responding to stupid
questions, too.
\_ Will no one else help mock?
\_ Actually, yeah. I don't give a crap if people want to light
their own cats on fire. -motd conservitive
\_ So it OK with you if I burn your cat and then pay you its
fair-market value?
\_ No, you can only do that if you're the government.
\_ I can drop a ton of bricks on your car and pay you fair
market value for it. Why can't I do the same to your cat?
\_ No. A cat is not *owned* like a car or a house. And no,
you don't have the right to destroy other's property and
simply replace it with FMV. Property rights are a
fundamental part of western society that the alleged motd
conservative above fails to understand. --real conservative |
| 2004/8/17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32954 Activity:high |
8/17 The smart money around the world say Kerry is in! It's over.
http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2004081710130002558479&dt=20040817101300&w=RTR&coview=
\_ Hey, it isn't over until Netcraft says Bush is "beleaguered"
\_ Well, it does show press outside the U.S. show a lot more
critical coverage of Bush -- and this is 100% true from my recent
stay in Canada. |
| 2004/8/17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32955 Activity:high |
8/17 Why the "Kerry is the most liberal senator" meme is bogus:
http://gadflyer.com/articles/?ArticleID=181
\_ The Daily Show when Jon took that congressman to task over
that line was in-fucking-credible.
\_ Thanks for that tip. Pretty amazing. For the other who
haven't seen it: http://csua.org/u/8n0
\_ I'd be interested in taking this guy to task for this line:
"Is Kerry a liberal? You bet. He's pro-choice, against Bush's tax
cuts, for environmental protection, and for universal health
care, to name a few issues. Of course, so are a majority of
Americans."
\_ "against Bush's tax cuts" might be stretching it.
against an increasing budget deficit is a lot more likely.
\_ Who, Kerry or a majority of Americans? Both seem to be opposed
to ultra-rich ppl getting tax breaks.
\_ Since it is very obvious Kerry does not support Bush's tax
cuts, of course I meant a majority of Americans. If the
question were, "against Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy",
you will probably find a majority. Without "for the
wealthy", you will find most Americans scratching their
heads.
\_ I think you'd be surprised. A majority of people polled
have not perceived a decrease in their tax burden.
\_ Part of the problem is, often the democrat definition
of "wealthy" is anyone who pays taxes.
\_ This is very interesting, but the article doesn't explain the
reasoning behind the National Journal policy of dropping a category if
the number of votes in the category are small.
\_ So? Go check the National Journal's website.
\_ He voted against modernization of every weapon's since. He
pro- homosexual marriage and military. On and on...
He's extremely liberal... but has been able to hide it so far. |
| 2004/8/17 [Academia/UCLA] UID:32956 Activity:very high |
8/17 Cal student Natalie Coughlin wins gold medal
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer04/swimming/news/story?id=1860462
\_ Yep, she definitely looks like a female Cal student. Why didn't I
go to UCLA?! *cry*
\_ she could probably crush your head with her thighs
\_ That's nice but I don't have a wrestler fetish.
\_ urlP (no pic in the main article)
\_ #t
\_ For those who keep saying "urlP" you do know this is a predicate
with a truth value, right? It's not a request for url.
\_ From which pic did you infer this?
\_ She may be ugly but she's already more successful than
you'll ever be in your career.
\_ Google is your friend.
http://csua.org/u/8mq
\_ http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/cal/sports/w-swim/auto_action/a-coughlin2-0203wswim.jpg
\_ http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/cal/sports/w-swim/auto_action/a-coughlin2-0203wswim.jpg
She looks quite pretty to me. I don't know what the problem is.
\_ I agree. She's kind of cute.
http://sports.yahoo.com/search?p=coughlin&photos=1&sp=1&ep=19
\_ The "why didn't I go to UCLA" guy doesn't like smart,
pretty, athletic women. Coughlin is a babe.
\_ No.
\_ Yes, I do, and no, she isn't. Isn't disagreeing fun?
\_ No.
\_ My ideal woman will have broad shoulders and strong arms
with which she can crush my pasty-white, nerdling body.
Hallelujah!
\_ UCLA guy is an idiot
link:tinyurl.com/5svxo (sportsillustrated.cnn.com)
http://amiannoying.com/view.aspx?ID=9057
\_ Some of us prefer women that don't look like boys.
\_ This is a boy?
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/chancellor/bim/oct_03.html
\_ I can see her back muscles from the front.
\_ Just because she could twist your girly man body around
in a pretzel and laugh while doing it and yet she's
still pretty. This is why you find her unattractive?
\_ She looks like the Terminatrix from T-3
\_ Is she really the most celebrated Cal athlete? More than
say Matt Biondi or Michelle Granger?
\_ he may be an idiot but he's probably getting more than you
\_ if he thinks women like Natalie Coughlin are ugly, then
he's probably not |
| 2004/8/17 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:32957 Activity:high |
8/17 ilyas, what exactly do you do? Do you have a research topic, and
how is that going? Are you getting funded, or are you TAing this
summer? I'm asking because you seem to not have a life outside
of motd, and frankly, I'm sick and tired of deleting your trolls.
\_ Pot. Kettle. Black.
\_ Most. Tired. Motd. Response. Ever.
\_ He plays a lot of Diablo ][ |
| 2004/8/17-18 [Uncategorized] UID:32958 Activity:high |
8/17 Can the person who cuts the column at 79 every hour or so, can you
please stop it? It is messing up with my CGIs.
\_ CGIs?
\_ yeah, it looks like http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~lwall/wall.log.html
with link to the URLs, but when you break it up it no longer
works.
\_ use the URL shorteners
\_ maybe you need to rewrite them?
[restored, this is not a troll] |
| 2004/8/17 [Uncategorized] UID:32959 Activity:high |
8/17 What's the safest biking route to get from Golden Gate Park to the
Golden Gate Bridge? I don't mind going extra distance for safety.
\_ RIDE BI oh wait...
\_ Personally, I take 25th Ave from the middle of the park. I don't
know how you define "safety," although I surmise it's not the
same way I would. There is a marked bike lane on either 24th or
23rd Ave, I forget which. Or you can take the coast road past
the Cliff House, which has less cross-traffic. -tom
\_ why does someone keep deleting this? -tom
\_ probably collateral damage from nuclear war going on
elsewhere on the motd.
\_ I agree. Overwrites have been extremely frequent and
fast these days.
\_ From the east side, you can take Arguello to Crissy Field
and then up from the shoreline about a mile before the GGB. |
| 2004/8/17 [Industry/Jobs] UID:32960 Activity:very high |
8/17 Education is good in hiring, but not too much education:
http://tinyurl.com/6nqkl
\_ That was a good article. Thanks. I'm also glad to see that
giving the text book answer to that "What is your biggest
weakness" question isn't always a good idea. "I work too
hard." "Suuuure ya do."
\_ Walking out of the interview as soon as someone
asks you that inane question is a good idea.
\_ no, the insight is that MOST jobs out there do not require a PhD.
Why hire a PhD when a BS/MS would suffice? Hire a PhD iff the
job requires it.
\_ I work in an environment where PhDs are highly valued, but
not really required. We have a lot of overeducated people
running around these days. People doing the same jobs 25
years ago had MS mostly. Now people are commanding higher
salaries and it's harder to find 'qualified people' because
of the insistence that PhD is desirable. There are very few
jobs where a PhD is required in reality.
\_ In my experience, PhDs can often be some of the worst
engineers.
\_ You should not hire PhDs do to engineering work, period.
You hire PhDs to do publications, papers, evaluations,
architect, grant proposals, networking between CTOs and
architects, etc. If your company hired PhDs to do low
level engineering grunt work, then your company sucks.
Sorry.
\_ Hmmm. So someone gets a PhD in engineering and then
should avoid engineering work? I disagree. PhDs
should be doing research, though. I agree with
that. Unless you work at a university (or at a
place like Xerox PARC) you probably don't need a
PhD, even though you might be doing things like
grant proposals, evaluations, and such. I work with
a lot of people with PhDs in engineering and they
qucikly get bored with work of any kind - even
"networking between CTOs and architects". They want
to do research and there are not enough jobs in
research.
\_ I am fairly sure google hires PhDs for coding.
What about MechEng PhDs? Systems PhDs? EE PhDs?
You are an idiot.
\_ Agreed, most PhDs can't code, but they still make more
money than you. Such is life... |
| 2004/8/17 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:32961 Activity:high |
8/17 Best take on recent events award goes to http://TheOnion.com: "Homosexual Tearfully Admits To Being Governor Of New Jersey" \_ Also from todays onion: "The court struck every single one down? Well, that makes the failure rate for gay marriages almost double that of straight marriages." \_ Heh. My personal favorite Onion article was: "Former Weightlifter Elected Governor of California" The article was 100% factual. \_ Hardly, McGreevy (and NJ in general) is completely corrupt. This guy wanted to appoint his lover, who was unable to obtain even the lowest security clearances, to head Homeland Security in NJ after 9/11. Real funny. \_ You mean politicians actually give jobs to their friends? I for one am shocked! \_ Huh? Corruption: Everybody's doing it. \- best onion was "bush finds error in fermilab calculation" \_ You don't get it. It's the headline itself that's funny, not the incident. |
| 2004/8/17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32962 Activity:insanely high |
8/17 I've searched the web for a number of weeks on this topic. I take
back what I wrote earlier, and it does appear Kerry said he would
release all service records, but he has flip-flopped on this. Kerry
has not offered *any* explanation for the flip-flop, and believe me,
I searched. -liberal (stop changing the sig, ok?)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040421-121056-7919r.htm
\_ Nice try. No liberal would be caught dead reading that Moonie rag.
\_ Boston Globe: http://csua.org/u/8mv
I read the above too, but I posted Washington Times because
the article was clearer and had more information. -op
\_ Boston Globe is a conservative paper as well.
\_ The facts in both articles cannot be denied. -op
\_ Globe has a long-standing vendetta against Kerry, just
thought you should know.
\_ http://slate.msn.com/id/2094235
Article saying Globe is left-leaning, but indeed
has it in for Kerry -op
\_ Nothing anyone I don't like says can be true!
\_ It has nothing to do with that. The Globe
dislikes Kerry. They have gone out of their
way to discredit him over the years. A good
comparison would be the Howell Raines led
New York Times and their vendetta against
Bill Clinton.
\_ Does anyone else here remember the good old days when "flip-flops"
were open toed shower shoes?
\_ My Australian associates claim that these are "thongs", all
evidence to the contrary. -John
\_ So what did they think of the "Thong Song?"
\_ The foot-fetishists loved it.
\_ "We are unable to locate the page you requested"
\_ The original URL was correct as posted. Someone fucked it
up by changing a "0" to a "1". Fixed now. -op
\_ Bush in flip-flops, via The Daily Show:
http://csua.org/u/8mw (Real Player)
\_ So was Kerry on secret Cambodia missions with the CIA / SEALs
or not? Yes Kerry needs to fill out a form 180 to release his
records.
\_ He very likely took part in at least one CIA Cambodia mission.
\_ LOL since when? The Kerry camp has 5 different stories.
Was it this mission that was seared in his mind?
\_ Kerry was not in Cambodia on Christmas Day.
He very likely took part in at least one CIA mission.
Now, what is your question?
\_ WTF does mean - 'he very likely took part'. This
guy has repeated the story over 50 times, and in the
Senate at least two times. Now you want to change it.
I say he has serious problems with the truth. You
can't even substantiate he was EVER there, so you make
up more lies. Man am I dealing with 8 year olds here?
\_ The only thing Kerry has changed is the date of
when he was in Cambodia.
Please substantiate how he was never, ever there.
"Man am I dealing with 8 year olds here?"
\_ You guys are sure trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
Is the best you've got that Kerry hasn't been totally clear about
his Vietnam missions? That's not exactly a scandal.
With Bush the push to open his records is because there were
serious questions about whether he was a deserter. What question
do you have about Kerry? That he might have messed up a date or
mission description?
\_ OK so did he meet the NVA and Vietcong in Paris twice
or not? Was he at a meeting where the VVAW discussed
assisinating US Senators or not? FBI files say he was.
Why does his entire chain of command and 17 of the 23
officers he served with think he is unfit? Why could
that be, what do they know that you don't?
\_ I don't suppose it could possibly have anything to do with
the fact that the military is in general very conservative
and Kerry has opposed military funding while Bush has spent
lavishly on the military. Nope, it must be some personal
failing they hold a grudge against from 30 years ago.
\_ Someone with a 19 year Senate record who is running entirely
on his 4 months in Vietnam needs to release his entire
record. It isn't a mountain. It isn't a mole hole. It
just is what it is. He needs to fully release his records.
If he wasn't running on his Vietnam record no one would care
about it. He can't hide the record he's running on.
\_ Dude, our current president is a fucking retard monkey.
You care so much about this but you give the
drunk-driving CIA-agent-outing totally-incompetent
rudderless asshole a pass?
\_ Ooh! it's an aaronantibushrant! Tell us more!
\_ And this is worse than Obsessive Compulsive Swift
Boat Troll how?
\_ He got his tax-cut, and he'll be damned if he has to
give it up. Defecit? What me worry?
\_ "Bush is stupid!" is not an answer to why Kerry won't
fully release the records he's relying on as the core
of his campaign. Bush could be dumber than a retarded
monkey, still drunk and coked out, out a CIA agent
twice a day everyday before breakfast and be the
world's biggest asshole, yet none of that would excuse
Kerry from releasing the full record he's running on.
\_ And nothing will apparently stop you from posting
the same mindless drivel over and over and over and
over and over and over and over [... and over(n)
where n is very large ...]. By the way, your
assumption that Kerry is running entirely on his
military service is incorrect and unsupported.
Sorry.
\_ Which drivel is that? I've posted exactly
zero swift boat links. It isn't an assumption,
btw. It is an assertion. There is a difference.
And my assertion is well supported by Kerry's
own speech at the DNC convention. 70+ words on
his 19 years in the Senate vs. 50+ minutes on
his 4 months in Vietnam. The math isn't that
hard on this one. Anyway, this is all beside
the point. Kerry is running on his Vietnam
record "to a great extent" (happy with that
phrasing?) and thus needs to fully release his
records if he wants to score points with them. |
| 2004/8/17 [Recreation/Media] UID:32963 Activity:very high |
8/17 So, was anyone else surprised by the fact that I, Robot is actually a
good movie and good science fiction?
\_ Seeing as the other threads have a flame-war going on and you've
gotten 0 replies in as many hours, apparently no-one else saw the
movie.
\_ I heard it sucked goat scrotum and didn't go see it. --aaron
\_ yea, I was a little surprised. I thought it was good, not just
a big fight fest. I read some of the robot stories when I was
like 12 years old.
\_ yes it was a good movie. did anyone think the movie was okay
after reading the book?
\_ I did. I read the book when I saw the movie was coming out.
They're good stories, but weak on character (I've never thought
Asimov was good on character though). I enjoyed the movie, and
there was at least one part of the movie that was obviously based
on one of the stories (which of these robots doesn't belong?).
I thought it'd be a worthy addition to the rest of the stories in
the anthology. -emarkp
\_ Except that I feel that it didn't capture the spirit of the
stories in the book. In the book, evolution of the robots
were a good thing. The robots ruled without any bloodshed. |
| 2004/8/17 [Uncategorized] UID:32964 Activity:nil |
8/17 Why do we have all these flamewars going on? Can't we just get along?
\_ BLAME CANADA! |
| 2004/8/17 [Industry/Jobs] UID:32965 Activity:nil |
8/17 Hasselblad is going digital:
http://www.hasselbladusa.com/news/newsMain.asp?secId=224
\_ I thought digital backs for medium formats have been available for
quite a while. |
| 2004/8/17-18 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:32966 Activity:high |
8/17 My sister is looking to learn perl, but she's not really a professional
programmer. Can anyone recommend a decent perl book which isn't too
complicated? TIA.
\_ Learning Perl, 3rd Ed
\_ Seconded. You might be able to get it for free after mir
from fry's this week.
\_ Just curious. What for?
\_ Not really a professional programmer? Perl sounds perfect!
\_ Riiiight. Whatever, man. |
| 2004/8/17 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:32967 Activity:nil |
8/17 Is there a Maildir compatible equivalent of frm?
\_ Third hit on Google for: frm maildir
Come _on_ people
http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/mdfrm |
| 2004/8/17-18 [Computer/HW/Memory] UID:32968 Activity:moderate |
8/17 How do I clear the URL autocomplete memory in Safari? Clear history
does not work and I could not locate the files storing that info.
\_ Safari will also autocomplete URLs stored in your bookmarks,
not necessarily in your history.
\- is there a way to be able to select the url w/ a single or double
click, as opposed to the default RETAHDED triple click?
\_ cmd-L |
| 2004/8/17-18 [Academia/GradSchool/MBA, Industry/Jobs] UID:32969 Activity:insanely high |
8/17 So apropos of the discussion below, do people here think it is
dishonest to leave a degree *off* of a resume, i.e. a phd?
\_ Dishonest? Yes. Does it matter as long as you don't later come
back and ask for better money/title/position/work/etc based on
it? No. I've dropped all the one-off contract jobs from my
resume. Am I dishonest? For the next rewrite I'm going to
drop anything more than 10 years old. Is that dishonest? I
don't remember the titles I had at 2 places so I made one up
that fit what I did. Dishonest? It's just a resume. If you
can't do the job, they'll fire you later. If you can, then so
what? The only place I'd give a full and complete disclosure
is for a security government or financial job where they'll do
a very deep background check and find out everything anyway. As
some random staff techie at a non-security job? Fuck it. Do
whatever you can to improve your chances without adding things
that aren't true.
\_ The day corporations do full disclosure of all their warts
in their offer letter, you might have a case.
\_ No.
\_ Yes, because I will not be happy if I find out the person is
a liar. Lying to your new boss before you even meet him/her is
lame. Find a job that fits you and don't waste my time.
\_ How is replacing phd with MS + 3 years research experience
a lie? Obviously if someone asks what education I have,
I'll say, I'm just talking about what goes on the resume.
Is it dishonest to leave information about one's military
career off of a resume for a programming job? where do
you draw the line?
\_ Why would you even want to leave out a PhD?
\_ Ph.D.'s cost more, and the company might have a bunch
of non-productive degree holders who might bias the hirer
-!op
\_ Why don't you just say you won't demand higher
pay? It's not a good idea to start off lying
to a potential future employer. Even if it is
a lie by omission.
\_ My buddy who has a U. of Chicago law degree
omitted this on his Best Buy application. He's
been working there for almost three years (not
as a corporate guy, but the lowly guys who
help customers with advice). -!op
\_ 1. He's clearly an idiot. 2. He's not
seriously cultivating a career at Best
Buy, is he? If not, then it does not
matter.
\_ In case you didn't get it, this is one
example where it makes sense not to list
a degree -- when it has no relevance to
the position you are applying for
(assuming the lack of any instruction
to list all educational history).
\_ In case *you* didn't get it, Best
Buy is not exactly pertinent to his
career, so what does it matter if
he pisses his boss off or gets
fired? It's not that it makes sense
to omit it. It's that it won't
matter either way.
\_ Maybe it is his career. Maybe he
enjoys what he does and intendeds
to continue.
\_ Listing "+ 3 years research" is questionable if it's what's
led to your Ph.D.
\_ A lot of people would argue that it is not even a lie of
omission, unless HR specifically asks you to list all educational
background. Same goes for previous jobs.
Obviously we disagree: you think you're right, I think I'm
right.
\_ As someone in a position to hire, I will tell you that
I wouldn't like it. You can think you are right all you
want.
\_ Actually, I disagree with you on whether it's a lie of
omission (I say it isn't, and I still think you're wrong
about this), but I agree with you on not
liking it: As someone in a position to hire, I wouldn't
like applicants omitting a Ph.D. if they got one.
To summarize: It's not dishonest, as I originally
said, but your employer probably won't like it.
Part Deux: Be careful how easily you throw around the
label "liar". I wouldn't want to work with someone who
thought like that, but that's just an IMO.
\_ based on all the other stuff that gets posted to the
motd, what are the chances you want to work with
anyone on the motd anyway?
\_ why not? this is all bullshit and venting. do you
think any of these people are *really* like this?
\_ That the motd is a more insulated way to
communicate (i.e. you aren't risking a punch in
the face) does not excuse being a complete
asshole. People who are assholes on the motd
are either
(a) assholes in real life or
(b) too cowardly to be assholes in real life like
they are on the motd.
Either way, would you want to work with them, or
indeed spend any time with them? -- ilyas
\_ yea, whatever, all the ceos are liars anyway.
\_ but they have the hiring money and you don't.
\_ how do you think they become ceos in the first
place?
\_ they all lie on their resumes! of course!
none of them went to a pricey mba school after
clawing their way up the corporate ladder and
destroying the careers of dozens of others on
their way to the top! nononono, they simply
wrote some random shit up on their resume that
no one would check like "senior vp, ibm sales,
world wide, 1987-1996" and bingo! Profit!
\_ Have you read a quarterly report before?
Or go to a Q&A session following an
earnings announcement? It's all about
emphasizing strengths and hiding
weaknesses. Get real.
\_ So if I ask you some questions about your company
during the interview, will you tell the complete
truth and include all the things you hate about your
company?
\_ What the hell does this have to do anything? You
may as well lie and say you have 10 years designing
ASICs when you have 0, right? Why put your real
name on the application? Maybe you should omit your
prison record, too. This last one gets lots of
people fired.
\_ What does it have to do with anything? It tells
me that all the talk about honesty is full of
shit.
\_ Go ahead and omit your time in prison. Hey,
the corporation lies, too. Your ass will
still be fired for it.
\_ well, it hasn't. in fact, I am doing
really well. thanks for your concern
though, corporate dick sucker hypocrite.
\_ What were you imprisoned for?
\_ You lost me. What does the candidate lying about
his background have to do with the company employees
coming clean when asked about the company?
\_ Ask the person I was responding to. |
| 2004/8/17 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32970 Activity:nil |
8/17 "Yahoo! News - Kerry Condemns Ad Attacking Bush Service"
http://csua.org/u/8n5
What a hypocrite.
\_ How so?
\_ Since op does not explain: There's an ad out that says Bush used
family connections to get out of the draft. Kerry criticizes the
ad as inappropriate: "This should be a campaign of issues, not
insults". Wesley Clark and a retired admiral, at a news conference,
also say Bush used family connections. Kerry won't criticize
Clark or the admiral. Bush people say: Kerry is a hypocrite --
he is condemning the ad, but he's letting his attack dogs make
the same complaints and won't condemn them.
IMO, their point is weak. Kerry said Clark and the admiral have
earned the right to say what they want on this issue, as they're
veterans. Kerry has stated his opinion, already.
On the other hand, Bush never criticizes the ad by the Swift Boat
Vets For Truth. (But at least he's consistent on ignoring
McCain's call on Republicans to criticize that ad.) |
| 2004/8/17 [Health/Dental, Health/Men, Recreation/Pets] UID:32971 Activity:nil |
8/17 Plastic surgery for pets:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3923099.stm |
| 2004/8/17-18 [Health/Disease/AIDS] UID:32972 Activity:very high |
8/17 I live in a top floor apt that gets very hot (no AC) and I recently
mail ordered a bunch of condoms that is used very slowly. Is it ok to
store them in the fridge (not freezer) too keep them from the heat?
\_ if some hoser on the motd gives you advice and it's wrong,
you get aids or get someone pregnant. don't be a tard.
call up the condom company and ask them.
\_ Seriously. I don't think this was a real request, or if it
is, dude, I have this new thing called a search engine to
show you.
\_ Fine. you're probably right, it's just a troll. But since
you put it like that, I hereby formally challenge you to
convincingly answer this using a "seach engine."
\_ Why small? |
| 2004/8/17-18 [Uncategorized] UID:32973 Activity:high |
8/17 Helo, does anybody recall/know the definition of a
Quasiperiodic Function. Ok tnx. [it isnt a class of
nowhere differntiable func, is it?]
\_ Google, page 3. Lazy ass.
\_ I dont think you know what you are reading.
\_ A function (over a field F) is considered quasiperiodic with
period \omega if there exist a, b \in F such that
f(z + \omega) = f(z)*e^{az + b}.
Lazy ass. You couldn't google for the obvious thing and look
for the first few pages of the results?
\_ A function f is quasi periodic if and only if the set of
its Fourier exponents has an integer and finite basis. |
| 2004/8/17-18 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Ilyas, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:32974 Activity:insanely high 54%like:34993 |
8/17 Dude, kchang, what's up with your motd archive? It's two weeks old!
\_ He got squished because he was using a script to finger soda
more than once a second to retrieve the motd without logging in.
He stopped the script.
\_ Why would closing his soda account prevent him from fingering
the machine? If the abuse was fingering then he should be
stopped from fingering. If the abuse was soda related then
his account should be terminated. I don't see a relationship
between the two events. This looks political/personal.
\_ my friend, 90% of the stuff that goes on in the real world
(outside of your nice little world) is based on politics,
personal favors, and vendetas. CSUA + EECS has been like
this since I was a freshman in the late 80s and it still
runs like this. The sooner you accept this the better off
you'll be.
\_ Ah, finally the true colors of the motd liberal come out.
Go 'nuanced' worldview go!
\_ That was most definitely not one of the numerous
motd liberals.
\_ How the hell could you know unless you wrote it?
Or is this just Bad->Republican && Republican->Bad
again?
\_ I don't personally use any archive and I don't see why anyone
would either. Most of it is filled with political trash from
ilyas|tom|aaron|few others that no one else ever cares about.
Why bother?
\_ Dude, you don't bathe either.Does that mean it's the standard?
\_ I'd bother because, on the contrary, I think there actually is
a variety of useful knowledge that flies through here now
and then. Over time it adds up to a lot, and being able to
search back for some item can be handy. The other reason is
that often I can no longer sit monitoring the motd every
5 minutes. Since stuff gets nuked so frequently, it's very
handy to be able to look in the archive to see what happened
to a thread, what replies a post received, or what entire
threads I might have missed.
\_ Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitchity-bitch!
I try to answer technical questions or whatever, when I feel
I am qualified, other than that I talk about what I find
interesting. If you don't like a thread, skip it. What have
YOU done to make motd a better and more useful place? Except
bitching, because that doesn't count. -- ilyas
\_ I'm with Ilyas on this one. If you don't like what others
have to say which obviously interests them or it wouldn't
be here 24x7, then just ignore it and don't participate.
Nothing stops you from making a world writable file in
/tmp or your home or on some other machine. There is
nothing sacred about the motd that says it can only be
used the way some people insist it must be.
\_ fine, maybe I'll just nuke it from time to time, just
like the time when ilyas and tom partially deleted
posts that they didn't like.
\_ no, it's not fine. you're saying the opposite
of what i suggested. do what you like but don't
try to put your nuking on my head.
\_ he got squished because he was stupid enough to bounce
his finger requests through a cgi on the EECS department
webserver multiple times/second in such a way as to make
root@eecs notice.
\_ which normally just gets a slap and a warning. i still
don't see how his outside activities have anything to do
with having a soda account.
\_ Normally, people who just got their accounts back
don't pull shit like this
\_ What shit? Since when was using "finger" such
a horrible offense? Since when was running
automated scripts that don't have any malicious
use a squishable offense. I don't really know
much about kchang. For all I know, he could be
a total freak. But I think this is just petty.
\_ especially when they originally got squished for
something very similar.
\_ how is it similar?
\_ I still see no relationship between his non-soda
account activity and getting his account terminated
and no one has attempted to explain the link.
\_ that's because your premise is ridiculous
\_ then it should be easily refuted which you
haven't done.
\_ that's because it's a strawman argument.
"Never argue with an idiot; he'll bring
you down to his level, and beat you with
experience."
\_ It isn't a strawman. You don't know
what that even means. I shall explain.
A strawman is when *I* would frame
*your* point as some weak statement
which *I* would then knock down. This
is not what I have done. It has been
stated many times that he was squished
for over doing it on the finger procs
but squishing him does not prevent him
from fingering anything. So we're
back where we started. He got squished
for petty personal reasons, not to
prevent him from doing anything and
didn't even get a warning for such a
trivial event. Unrelated but I find
it ridiculous that he could generate
enough traffic from UCLA to slog the
EECS network at UCB with just finger
a few times per second.
\_ What shit? Would you terminate his account if he
accumulated too many unpaid parking tickets? What
does fingering soda via eecs have to do with his
account being terminated? Nothing. He was just
being punished because some petty people who
dislike him could.
\_ Soda's net connection is through the good graces
of the EECS department, it is in our best interests
to keep them happy. I still don't know why
kchang insisted on 'bouncing' his finger requests
to soda off of an EECS machine, when he could have
just fingered soda directly, or transfered the motd
diffs via scp, or used his old cgi, or a million
different other ways. - danh
\_ And using one of the million different other
ways is better than using finger? If anything,
scp consumes more packet overhead than finger.
What's so horrible about finger? If he had
used scp or some old cgi, I'm sure someone
would have complained that kchang was
constantly sending scp or http requests to
csua. If finger was such an abuse, why don't
you tell us about it or disable the service?
\_ finger is fine. why didn't he finger soda directly
then, and not doing some lame early 90s
hacker shit and bouncing it off an EECS machine?
i still don't get it. - danh
\_ Someone pointed out in motd that he was using
finger. Being the paranoid spaz that he is,
he decided he needed to hide where the finger
was coming from
\_ How does squishing him prevent him from
doing what he was squished for? It doesn't.
Therefore squishing him is pointless and
personal.
\_ because when they squished him, they also
put a .nofinger which makes any 'fingering'
pointless, so he stopped
\_ yes it sucks. too bad nothing in the real
world is as black and white as yours.
soda is more like a consensual hallucination.
-danh
\_ thanks for not answering anything I said.
why did you bother replying at all?
\- it's simple, his squishage is all about personal vendettas. ask
tom holub, he'd know something about personal vendettas.
\_ and so do you, mister anonymous. did he fart on you
in E260 in 1990? - danh
\_ he farted on my best friend. he's no longer with us. :-)
\_ he farted on my best friend. she's no longer with us. :-)
\_ I think kchang has been unsorried again.
kchang:*:8710:100:Kevin
Chang,none,none,none:/home/apollo/kchang:/usr/local/bin/tcsh
\_ this is all so obvious if you twinks just learned to
to use /csua/bin/finger. For the Xth time, use the
godamn binary!!!
\_ You can't finger kchang since there is now a .nofinger
in his home dir
\_ Ah, so he's tired of people giving him the finger...
\_ you so funny
\_ /csua/bin/finger ignores ~/.nofinger, unlike
/usr/bin/finger.
The /etc/passwd entry is no guarantee of non-squish
status.
In any case, if you /csua/bin/finger him now, you
will see he has been unsquished. I wonder when
he finds out.
\_ He already has, my friend. He already has. |
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