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| 2004/8/13 [Politics/Domestic/California/Arnold] UID:32877 Activity:high |
8/12 Ah-nold keeps his distance from GW Bush (Bush was in Santa Monica
on Thursday), won't campaign for him outside of state (though he will
speak at the RNC):
http://csua.org/u/8l0 (usatoday.com)
And you know what? I know exactly why. Can you guess?
\_ Why don't you tell us?
\_ The answer is: Maria Shriver. Think about it. -op
\_ Could you spell it out for me?
\_ Because Arnold is busy spending his time here in CA where we need
a governor and this is the state where Arnold can do the most good
for Bush? Unlike a certain Senator who is running for President
but has missed 70% of the votes this year, Arnold puts his
responsibilities to the people first. That's what you were going
to tell us.
\_ but of course Bush can do his job while travelling just as much
as Kerry.
\_ It's a different job so yes, he can. And until very recently,
no he has not traveled anywhere close to as much as Kerry has
for a year. |
| 2004/8/13 [Industry/Startup] UID:32878 Activity:high |
8/12 Any bets on the low that GOOG stock will hit within one week of when
the share price is set? I say $80! ("The company currently estimates
its initial stock to be worth between $108 and $135 a share.")
Within 6 months? I say $30!
\_ GOOG is a free profitable lesson in shorting
\_ Use motdedit, visigoth
\_ After 1 week: 25% drop from day 1 opening. After 6 months: 40% drop
\_ Schadenfreude doesn't become you.
\_ Interestingly enough, Google brought this upon itself simply by
naming such a high initial auction price. It's torn open the
still mending wounds of the Internet bubble. If the initial bid
price started in the $30s, public opinion and follow-up news
articles would be much less acrimonious. Of course, the price
would have soared for the first week (I'd guess peaking at 70+)
before the sugar rush ended and the down slide began.
\_ you do understand that there's no relation whatsoever between
the initial per-share price and the IPO valuation, right? -tom
\_ Public perception is the important thing here. Those who
expected a low initial share price were sudden faced with
a high one. The IPO value didn't change (although I think
it's rather absurd), but most people see it as a money
grab and not worth SPECULATING. For Google, the price
makes sense, but for those who wanted to see another
Webvan-style stock increase and selloff, it sucks. And
those people are the major grumblers.
\_ First of all, there's no chance of another Webvan-style
stock increase and selloff; it's no longer 1998.
Second, I think Google's owners legitimately want to
value their business fairly. They also are big fans
of Warrenn Buffett, who believes that low share prices
(and stock splits to support them) reduce the quality
of the investors.
I think Google is pricey at 100-120 P/E (which is where
they're valuing it), but most IPOs are not good deals
for open-market investors (as opposed to the founders
and VCs). YHOO's P/E is also over 100, EBAY's is
70, so it's not like they're totally out of whack with
the other big players in the sector. -tom
\_ Then we agree! Wow! And they say that never happens
on the motd!
\_ What exactly is a 'lower quality investor'? Is
their money less green? The other companies you are
comparing Google to now have long public track
records. A newly public company can not claim the
same public confidence as a company that has been
successfully running their business in public for a
few years.
\_ It's his way of saying 'speculator'.
\_ I don't think it's any such thing. I think everyone believes
it is going to go down because they think it is priced too high.
Google also has lots of really bad news recently showing they're
not ready to be a real public company responsibly run, not a dot
com bubble cluster fuck.
\_ Below $20 within 2 years, unless they have something more impressive
than froogle and gmail in store.
\_ I say $30 on the 2 year mark but agree with you on the general
concept.
\_ wow lotta google haters out there, funny
\_ Don't hate the player, hate the game.
\_ I don't hate Google. It's just a company. I'm talking
about business, money, and the public market. There is
nothing funny about any of those things. Bringing any
sort of emotion into the equation is foolish. |
| 2004/8/13 [Consumer/TV] UID:32879 Activity:kinda low |
8/12 Is it possible to use a Series 2 Tivo as a vcr w/o subscribing to
the service or hooking it up to you phone/network?
Fry's has a Series 2 Tivo on sale for $99 and I was thinking that
I could use it to replace my VHS VCR. (I don't care about Tivo's
fancy features and would rather not pay for them, since I watch
very little TV and only record Nova and Globe Trekker once a week
or so). tia.
\_ You can,but why? Subscribe for a couple of months, see if you
like it, and then cancel if you want.
\_ Yeah I've been wondering about this too. I just want a VCR, not
tivo's fancy stuff...
\_ TiVos can run withoug the program guide, they just don't know what
time anything is on, so you have to manually set all recording
times.
\_ So you gotta program time slots manually like regular old VCRs,
I can totally live with that. Time to get a TIVO!
\- which model is $99 at fry's? i understand the 40hr one
is $80 at costco. --psb
\_ The Fry's one is 40 hourse Series 2. Not sure what the
specific model is beyond this. BTW, Fry's is selling it
for $199 with $100 mail in rebate. I assume the rebate
is contingent on signing up for the service. Is the
Costco one $80 straight or is that post rebate also? |
| 2004/8/13-15 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:32880 Activity:low |
8/13 I have a question. CDs that are burned using say 52x, when the
data is read back, does the drive have to spin it up to 52x?
ie, are there any differences between CDs that are burned using
8x vs 52x? Are the data interleaved differently? What about
DVD?
\_ DVD players play at the same rate it needs to play any dvd
\_ It's all written the same way. The only concern is if you have low
quality discs they might not write correctly at 52x, but you'd
notice that right away.
\_ Think about your question. The "x" in "52x" is the PLAY SPEED. |
| 2004/8/13 [Reference/Religion] UID:32881 Activity:high |
8/12 Are there any Iraqis or Saudis on the motd? How about muslims in
general?
\_ I am an ordained minister in the Universal Life Church of
Modesto California. I believe that my impeccable mail-order
credentials as a man of the cloth permit me to authoritatively
say that I am not a muslim. -John
\_ Can you marry me and my box turtle?
\_ Yes, but you cannot consummate the marriage without violating
the law. |
| 2004/8/13 [Reference/Tax] UID:32882 Activity:insanely high |
8/12 CBO reports Bush tax cuts have shifted tax burden to middle class
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61178-2004Aug12_2.html
The CBO is headed by a former senior economist from the Bush white
house, Douglas Holtz-Eakin.
And the Bush response?
"Girding for the study's release, Bush campaign officials have already
begun dismissing it as 'the Democrat-requested report.'"
\_ General question about tax increases and tax cuts for the
liberal-minded sodans. Say we agree that progressive taxation is
good. So whenever the government raises taxes, it does so in a
progressive way (the rich pay more). Shouldn't it, when lowering
taxes, do so in a regressive way for the result to be the inverse
operation? Why is this raising such furor? Is this just
emotion politics? -- ilyas
\_ Yes it is.
\_ Assume you have some progressive graph of total income in the
x-axis and total taxes on the y-axis. In a progressive system,
this curve would look something like a hyperbola monotonically
converging to the max tax rate. Multiplying the curve by some
constant, say 0.9 would fairly lower taxes by 10% for everyone.
The problem is if you change the shape of the curve in a way that
it's overall 'progressiveness' is reduced. If Bush's tax cuts
preserved the progrssiveness, than everyone would have seen their
total taxes decrease by the exact same percentage, but in reality
the rich saw a much larger percentage drop in the amount they
were paying.
\_ Careful, you're making Motd Debate Mistake #1: trying to argue
with ilyas.
\_ It's not debating or arguing with the guy; it's pointing
out to everyone else on the motd why his argument is clearly
misleading.
\_ That's my whole point - once you are in the IlyaLogic
zone, normal rules do not apply. Its best just to ignore
him.
\_ I think you guys pick on him because he is both
smarter than you and thinks more clearly and
logically than you. And his real crime is he
questions your assumptions and beliefs. The only
thing you can do is dismiss him without comment
because you can't win against someone smart and
right.
\_ actually, ilyas' brain has a lot of weaknesses.
it's too theoretical and ivory towerish.
he tends to think autistically, unable to
keep an open mind in examining others'
point of view. he also likes to project his
own rather narrow and limited experience onto
problems he has no clue about, like "affirmative
action is bad for US, so it must be bad for
India" or "Libertarianism is what I like, so I
support Taiwan declaring independence", etc.
Like software, his brain could possibly be
upgraded to a better version, but it would
require some effort.
\_ Actually, I personally think he makes a lot of
not well-supported statements, just like in this
post. I try to explain why.
\_ There are people on the motd who get picked on
because they're smarter, know more, and are too
willing to show it, but ilyas is not one of them
(except for the showy part).
He is an example of someone who pushed himself
(or get pushed) through education that is just
beyond his own capacity. He and Tom show that
one doesn't necessarily become wiser by getting
higher degrees, and vice versa. No, I am not
against education, but just think what a waste
it is of everybody's time and resource to pursue
graduate degree without knowing how to reason.
\_ No, the progressiveness should be fixed, like each income
bracket paying a portion of the total taxes. Now, as a
percentage, the top 1% is paying less.
\_ The question is "how progressive is progressive enough"? If one
assumes that taxes are currently (after the Bush tax cuts to the
rich and the removal of the dividend tax) not progressive enough,
then to become more progressive, you can either (1) Lower the
tax rates on the poor, (2) Perform (1) but lower the tax rates
on the right by a smaller amount, (3) Increase taxes on the
rich, or (4) Both (1) and (3).
rich, the removal of the dividend tax, and the phasing out of the
inheritance tax) not progressive enough, then to become more
progressive, you can either (1) Lower the tax rates on the poor,
(2) Perform (1) but lower the tax rates on the right by a smaller
amount, (3) Increase taxes on the rich, or (4) Both (1) and (3).
If, on the other hand, as you suggest, we lower taxes on
the poor and rich at the same rate, you leave the tax system
at the same level of progressiveness (which takes you from
"not progressive enough" to the same level of "not progressive
enough", given the initial assumption).
\_ Uhm, ok, but as far as I know, the tax cuts were never made
permanent. I think it's 2011 they all revert back to the
pre-Bush tax era. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
\_ You are likely correct. It is also true that it does
not change the original argument.
\_ To clarify my earler comment. Suppose you start with a system of
progressive taxation where one person pays $100 taxes on $1000 of
income and another person pays $1000 taxes on $5,000 of income.
To fairly reduce taxes by 10%, you'd see the poor guy's tax bill
go to $90/$1000 and the rich guy's tax bill go to $900/$5000.
An unfair reduction in taxes would be to reduce the poor guy's
taxes by 5%, to $95/1000, but reduce the rich guy's taxes 15% to
$850/5000.
\_ Ok. So the general feeling is 'current tax system is not too
progressive.' Did I get that right? Because if it _was_ too
progressive, you would need to reduce taxes regressively to
fix it. Next question: what's 'progressive enough?' -- ilyas
\_ we did reduce the taxes regressively.
\_ So was that good or bad? -- ilyas
fix it. Next question: what's 'progressive enough?'
To clarify: assuming you believe progressive taxation is a good
idea, AND assuming the current rates are 'just the right level
of progressiveness', you would want to reduce uniformly.
If you believe it's not progressive enough, you reduce
progressively, if you believe it's too progressive, you
reduce regressively. So is the outcry about Bush's reduction
stemming from the fact that there's the belief the current
rates are not progressive enough? What is progressive enough?
Btw, I was really flabbergasted by the level of shit in this
thread earlier today. I was trying to understand the liberal
mindset in criticizing regressive reductions. You would think
I would be encouraged to be more open minded, but I guess
not. -- ilyas
\_ The outcry was because the tax cuts were regressive, that
is, they made the tax structure less progressive.
\_ Yes ... but the outcry only makes sense if you believe
the system before Bush's cuts wasn't too progressive
(i.e. either just right or not progressive enough).
Do people here believe this to be so? -- ilyas
\_ That's a topic all its own. Me personally? I think
it should be more progressive.
\_ Well... the way I see it, you can't separate the
'outcry' from this topic. And yes, it's a big
topic. The fact that a regressive cut being good
or bad seems so disconnected in people's minds
from what a fair progressive tax system ought to
be makes me suspicious that it really is some sort
of hot button issue (the poor are getting screwed
more than the rich!). -- ilyas
\_ I thought ilyas is reasonably smart. how come he doesn't even
understand the difference between velocity and acceleration.
\_ check your assumptions.
\_ IlyaLogic is "different" than normal logic.
\_ from
\_ He does, he's just trying to lead you into a trap.
\_ Since payroll taxes aren't being cut, most of the taxcut should
go to the middle class. Bush and Co always leave this bit out. |
| 2004/8/13 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:32883 Activity:nil |
8/12 I am not a techie but I am trying to learn some perl to do
some text manipulation for my research. I am having trouble
with hashes. Can someone give me an example of how to read
in something like the password file (say, user, directory, shell)
into a hash?
\_ The question belies a slight misunderstanding of hashes. A hash
is a simple set of key value pairs, so reading a password file
in would require a bit of thought to the structure. You could
make the key be uid and the value be a pointer to an array of
the passwd line, i.e. (username,pw,uid,gid,gcos,hdir,shell).
You could alternately key on username. You could make an array
of hash references where each array member is like
username => 'root',
pw => '*',
uid => 0,
gid => 0,
etc. But using a single 1-dimensional hash on something like
an entire passwd file would yield you the data from the last
line in the file.
\_What would be the right structure to use to read in the
whole password table and hold it in a structure so I could
refer to some arbitrary piece of data like "the shell of
user user1"? Like if I wanted to merge the encrypted password
from the shadow file with the login and shell fields from the
password file? Thanks for your explanation.
\_ Now that you could do with a hash, but easier would be to use
(getpwnam('user1'))[8] to get the shell. But to do this for
the whole passwd file (as an example) would be
open PW,'/etc/passwd';
my %shells;
foreach my $pwentry (<PW>) {
chomp $pwentry;
($name,$shell) = (split /:/,$pwentry)[0,6];
$shells{$name} = $shell;
}
close PW;
Oh wait. I didn't catch the part about shadow password, but
this should give you an idea of where to start. |
| 2004/8/13 [Recreation/Food/Alcohol] UID:32884 Activity:kinda low |
8/12 R.I.P. Julia Child. Pour out some wine on the ground in respect.
\_ And of course, don't forget the optional heavy cream for added
richness.
\_ "A bit of cream at the end is a nourishing touch, but by no means
necessary." -- Julia Child from The Way to Cook |
| 2004/8/13 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32885 Activity:nil |
8/13 To people who use travelocity, how do you change password and sign out
of your account? I can't see it when using safari or mozilla. The
link at their customer page that says change password lead to the home
page. |
| 2004/8/13 [Uncategorized] UID:32886 Activity:nil |
8/13 [just leave this up for an hour]
\_ This *is* Tom Tomorrow, except you're the
lame conservative guy. I have it right there,
both their full quotes meaning the exact
same thing, and you criticize Kerry and laud
Bush. Can't you see this?
\_ Have what? Post it. I'm not conservative btw.
I hate 'both' parties equally.
\_ Kerry quote, Bush quote on "sensitivity".
Both guys said the same thing. Kerry is
slammed; Bush lauded. Tom Tomorrow.
http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=17231 |
| 2004/8/13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:32887 Activity:nil |
8/13 Just curious. I don't think this has ever been asked on the motd
before. Who have you voted for in the past and why? I'll start:
1988: random never heard of third party. Bush Sr, ex-cia chief or
Dukakis? Hardly.
1992: random never heard of third party. was going to vote Perot
until he claimed the cia was out to ruin his daughter's wedding.
1996: random never heard of third party. More Clinton or Dole, Mr.
"it's my turn!". Don't think so.
2000: Nutty Gore (who turned out to be even nuttier after) or the
coke head party boy? Nader.
\_ Just out of curiosity, what is it that makes Gore so nutty?
It sounds like you're just talking out your ass.
\_ What's the "never heard of" third party of which you speak?
\_ Nader is far nuttier than Gore. -tom
\_ I humbly suggest that is not saying much.
\_ Being nuttier than Gore is not saying much? You mean
Gore isn't nutty at all? Well, I basically agree with
that. -tom
\_ heh, I meant that Gore is pretty nutty, and saying
Nader is far nuttier isn't saying much because
they're all nuts at that point. Gore may be right,
but he sure is pretty nutty. I say he is nutty
based on two things: Gore is a robot; and when
he crashes, he crashes hard.
\_ Wow! You still remember the names of failed candidates in the past? |
| 2004/8/13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32888 Activity:very high |
8/13 Washington Post editorial: "Swift Boat Smears"
"... Mr. Kerry a coward and a liar. This smear is contradicted by Mr.
Kerry's crew mates, undercut by the previous statements of some of
those now making the charges and tainted by the chief source of its
funding: Republican activists dedicated to defeating Mr. Kerry in
November."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58315-2004Aug11.html
\_ Well lets see, he has stated he was in Cambodia dozens of times
throughout his career, further indicating he was on secret
CIA / Seal missions and fought the Khmer Rouge. Do you believe
him?
\_ Kerry's people have said he was probably mistaken and probably
wasn't there on Christmas Day, as much as it was "seared" into
him. As for the TV commercial, the Post lays waste to it.
\_ I reject your explanation outright. He has repeated this
story dozens of times, including on the Senate floor.
He has stated this was a 'transformative' moment that
defines who he is, repeatedly. Do you believe what he
has said DOZENS of times or don't you? Do you believe
he went into Cambodia on CIA/ SEAl missions?
\_ Just what explanation are you rejecting? I just posted
what Kerry's people have said: Kerry has said on the
record that he was not in Cambodia on Christmas Day. (This
is the more accurate description -- take out my earlier
"probably's".)
\_ Yeah, I think he dropped of CIA/SEALs into Cambodia.
We know that the US was doing this as part of Operation
Pheonix during the early part of 1969 and that swift
boats were sometimes used for the insertion. Why do
think that he did not? I don't think he fought the
Khmer Rouge, but it is a little hard to tell exactly
which un-uniformed guerilla army someone belongs to
when they are shooting at you from 500 yards away.
http://www.serendipity.li/cia/operation_phoenix.htm
\_ On a 50 foot PFC with twin diesels that one
\_ On a 50 foot PCF with twin diesels that one
could hear hundreds of yards away? Sorry
I don't think so.
Here's some background on Camb. incursions.
http://csua.org/u/8l9
\_ You've got your "background", and you've got
Operation Phoenix. Now what do you get?
(Also, assuming a loud boat, maybe that's why
Kerry says he was getting shot at by all sides
while on his CIA mission(s). I would want a
better boat if I were there, but you take what
the Army/Navy gives you. SNAFU.)
\_ obJawsReference
\_ Interesting story. It proves that you can get
lost and end up in Cambodia by mistake, at least.
The CIA doesn't always tell The State Dept
what they are up to, especially if they know
that State might not approve. How do *you*
think the CIA and SEALs did their Cambodia
insertions? Do you think the guys walked
all the way from Saigon or something?
\_ Not by 50' twin diesel craft where
the captain becomes lost.
\_ BUSH GOOD, KERRY BAD!
\_ He thinks that Kerry did not drop CIA/SEALs into
Cambodia, probably because Kerry admitted not being
in Cambodia on Christmas Day, the day he said he was
on the CIA mission.
\_ Obviously he got the day wrong. I already suggested
that he may have confused Tet with Christmas in
his mind. Perhaps you missed that.
\_ Well, Kerry did say he got the day wrong, but
he also said the memory had been seared into
his mind, and I don't recall him ever suggesting
himself the Tet/Christmas explanation.
\_ There are a number of events seared into my
memory, but I don't remember the date (or even
year) of all of them.
\_ Yeah, I have the memory of my first blowjob
seared into my mind, but I couldn't tell you
what day it was. I would have to think pretty
hard to tell you which year it was even.
\_ Both of the above are pretty silly. In
Kerry's story, the fact that it's
Christmas day is CENTRAL to the story.
It's kinda like if you couldn't
remember if your first blowjob was
done to your penis or your finger.
\_ CENTRAL to the story? That's arguable.
The more appropriate analogy is
remembering you lost your virginity
on your birthday or your SO's birthday,
which happened to be one month apart:
You know you "moored" your "boat" in the
"delta" and you "completed your mission"
on one of your birthdays (depositing
your "seamen" under the "moon") and
there were a lot of other "missions"
where you traveled "closer to the
target" before and after that. "Mission
accomplished", but for some reason your
wife is pissed you got the wrong
birthday, and she doesn't believe you
anymore when you said she was the first
girl you slept with.
\_ Bwahaha!
\_ The "undercut" statement is false if it refers to O'Neill. He was
defending Kerry in 1996 against a false statement, and mentioned it
in the May 4 press conference. Steve Gardner *was* a crewmate of
Kerry and is opposed to Kerry. Elliot has specifically made
chargest against Kerry which are not conflicted by his previous
statements.
\_ The editorial says nothing about O'Neill. The crew mates are
quoted in the article in support of Kerry's rescue of another
crew member. Gardner has not said anything disputing the rescue;
he has just said he thinks Kerry is an indecisive leader, putting
his crew members in jeopardy. You should quote what Elliot has
said that does not conflict with his previous statements. |
| 2004/8/13 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32889 Activity:very high |
8/13 Just curious. I don't think this has ever been asked on the motd
before. Who have you voted for in the past and why? I'll start:
\_ It's kind of interesting to note who people voted for and
who's in power an election cycle afterwards. If America had
voted for Dukakis, we wouldn't have had Clinton. If we voted
for Bush Sr. or Dole instead of Clinton, we probably wouldn't
have had GWB.
\_ 1992: Perot, realized mistake later. Not voted since due to
overall disgust with available candidates, don't believe in the
lesser of two evils. I'd vote for Kerry's wife, though. -John
1988: random never heard of third party. Bush Sr, ex-cia chief or
Dukakis? Hardly.
1992: random never heard of third party. was going to vote Perot
until he claimed the cia was out to ruin his daughter's wedding.
1996: random never heard of third party. More Clinton or Dole, Mr.
"it's my turn!". Don't think so.
2000: Nutty Gore (who turned out to be even nuttier after) or the
coke head party boy? Nader.
\_ I know a guy who voted for the guy who lost all the way
back to the mid '60s. That's how I knew the 2000 election
was a fraud. He actually voted for W.
\_ Whoa. He voted Carter/Mondale/Dukakis/Bush/Dole?!
Now who's the nut?!!!!
\_ well, he voted for perot in '92 and at some point
he voted for Jesse Jackson, but you've got the rest
right.
\_ Just out of curiosity, what is it that makes Gore so nutty?
It sounds like you're just talking out your ass.
\_ What's the "never heard of" third party of which you speak?
\_ Nader is far nuttier than Gore. -tom
\_ I humbly suggest that is not saying much.
\_ Being nuttier than Gore is not saying much? You mean
Gore isn't nutty at all? Well, I basically agree with
that. -tom
\_ heh, I meant that Gore is pretty nutty, and saying
Nader is far nuttier isn't saying much because
they're all nuts at that point. Gore may be right,
but he sure is pretty nutty. I say he is nutty
based on two things: Gore is a robot; and when
he crashes, he crashes hard.
\_ Uhm, that's a really stupid basis to draw that
conclusion from. Maybe you should wait until
puberty before posting to motd or (god forbid)
voting.
\_ I don't think you understand the lack of
seriousness implied when comparing levels of
nuttiness. I'd still vote Gore in over Bush,
and I did, and I still think Gore is better
Presidential material.
\_ No, I understand it. I just think you're
nitwit.
\_ Wow! You still remember the names of failed candidates in the past?
\_ Don't worry, brother. Enemies of the party and other unpersons
will soon be forgotten. |
| 2004/8/13 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:32890 Activity:high |
8/13 I think terrorists are spamming me.
\_ As a representative of the President of Nigeria, I have a special
opportunity for you.
\_ Ex-president that is. |
| 2004/8/13-15 [Uncategorized] UID:32891 Activity:nil |
8/13 Any way to see the Olympics live on TV in the USA?
\_ get a friend in the UK to proxy BBC's live webcasts for you. |
| 2004/8/13-15 [Consumer/CellPhone] UID:32892 Activity:moderate |
8/13 periodic motd poll. Bay Area mobile phone companies
who do you use, do they suck/rule?
\_ Verizon: Great signal, lousy price and phone selection
Customer service is pretty good, and EV-DO (400kbit) service should
be rolled out around Christmas.
\_ Will it be a low flat fee like Sprint and T-Mobile? More info
please
\_ AT&T: Great phones, decent prices, signal is hit or miss.
New GSM system will give you whichever is the stronger of
AT&T or Cingular. Haven't seen the old Cingular GSM problem
yet where you couldn't get a line out. Old AT&T TDMA system
gets progressively worse and worse as they shift resources.
\_ Agreed. Also, their customer service is now back to average
after several months of being useless.
\_ Same here. Great phone, great price, lousy signal. Seems like
it's the opposite of Verizon.
\_ Any experience with T-Mobile in the Bay Area?
\_ Yeah, I used it for a year and switched back to Verizon.
I couldn't get a signal at all at the office in the
Financial District and had to stand on the porch to
make a phone call at home (in Noe Valley). -ausman
\_ My wife and I switched from AT&T TDMA to T-M early this year.
Great plans, nice phones, and pretty good coverage, we've
found (in the Berkeley area).
\_ How good is T-M coverage on campus? Specifically, around
Tolman? Thanks.
\_ seemed ok driving by on Hearst, but I'm not in that area
often. Can check next week if you like. It's so-so on
5th floor cory - mds |
| 2004/8/13 [Uncategorized] UID:32893 Activity:high |
8/13 What happens when a state loses representatives during
reapportionment? Someone loses his/her job?
\_ They have to redistrict before the next election. *Someone* loses
their job, but that's how elections go.
\_ how do they decide who loses their job?
\_ How do you think 'Survivor' got the idea for voting people off the
island?
\_ JeffProbstymandering. |
| 2004/8/13 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:32894 Activity:nil |
8/13 Hahahahahahaha - The http://cnn.com Quick Vote on the front page is: "Would you vote for a gay politician? (Yes) (No)" Guess what the breakdown is ... \_ I'd be more interested in "Do you think *your* governor is a closeted homosexual?" \_ See, I find questions like this sketchy, since while I have nothing in particular against gay people, I have yet to meet one that I agree with politically. |
| 2004/8/13-15 [Recreation/Dating, Industry/Jobs] UID:32895 Activity:very high |
8/13 In reference to something from below, how many male sodans actually
enjoy blowjobs? I've only ever had one my entire life I really found
satisfying, out of hundreds of attempts. Its a pale shadow compared to
intercourse. Is it just that no girl knows how to give them, or am I
just some kind of freak?
\_ First, tell your grandmother to take her teeth out.
\_ What's the difference between the wife, the dog, the kids and
a blowjob? A: You can't beat a blowjob.
\_ Two women I've dated gave good blowjobs. Others didn't. It is
indeed a skill, but some guys don't get off on it at all.
\_ Practice makes perfect.
\_ Maybe I just don't get off on it at all. --op
\_ Could be. Such is life.
\_ I enjoy them. Only one women I ever dated gave exceptional
blow jobs, but I enjoyed all of them.
\_ I enjoy blowjobs. My SO says I give excellent ones. -- male sodan
\_ that's sick, get off the motd you fuck!
\_ Dear God! There are sodomites at the university?!!
\_ This would work better if you were at Bob Jones ...
\_ Why do you hate America?
\_ "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are
we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm
our country and our people, and neither do we"
\_ I think you have a defective gene.
\_ Have your girl practice on me and I'll tell you whether it's her
technique or just you.
\_ To give a fair and balanced assesment, shouldn't you perform
felatio on the op first?
\_ that's sick, get off the motd you fuck!
\_ Black girls on San Pablo give excellent BBBJs
\_ Black girls on San Pablo give excellent BBBJs -jblack
\_ Black girls on San Pablo give excellent BBBJs -donkeyboy
\_ Hey! Stop posting as me! -The _Real_ Donkeyboy
\_ Actually...that's true.
\_ It's a skill thing like many things in life. I thought sex was
always a good thing until the first time I was with a girl who
rated about -3 on a 1 to 10 skill scale. Willing, able, no
talent, bad sex. Life has its disappointments. Same deal with BJs.
\_ Where can one find good technical advice?
\_ This is kind of an aside, but I dated a young woman with very
little experience once and she kept biting down on me. So we
went to Good Vibes and bought a dildo and I showed her what
I like. |
| 2004/8/13 [Uncategorized] UID:32896 Activity:nil |
8/13 Was Iraq allowed to enter the Olympics prior to this year, or were
they just brutally tortured so no one even wanted to go? I'm curious. |
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