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| 2004/8/12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32845 Activity:nil 70%like:32864 |
8/11 Hard fact is, Kerry froze up during the Cold War
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1189962/posts
Kerry's senate record critiqued. |
| 2004/8/12 [Uncategorized] UID:32846 Activity:very high |
8/11 If you're still awake, the Perseids are tonight.
\_ I don't have a TV.
\_ It a meteor shower, not a TV program.
\_ Awesome show last night. If you missed it, there should still
be some tonight (12/8) -John
\_ Triffids!
\_ Tetsuo!
\_ Akane!
\_ Akane Ichinose!
\_ Aadrieeennne!
\_ Indiiiiiii!
\_ elaine!
\_ Elaine Chao?
\_ Yow!
\_ Stellaaaaa
\_ Kirsty! Tiffany!
\_ You guys are so like so k-lame for not getting my Hellraiser II
reference.
\_ Pow! Right in the kisser!
\_ One of these days, Alice...
\_ My sister! My daughter!
\_ Are they the same person?
\_ He's got a real purdy mouth on him, don't he?
\_ Squeals like a pig! |
| 2004/8/12 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Computer/SW/Security] UID:32847 Activity:nil |
8/11 I am not paranoid, but I put sensitive personal information on my
laptop and I go everywhere with it. Is encrypted disk image reliable
and fast? I googled for filevault but it is hard to find article
with clue/analysis. Any other suggestion is nice too. tia.
\_ Using Windows XP Professional? Right-click on folder -> Properties
-> Advanced -> Encrypt contents to secure data
\_ Tnx. Actually I am using OS X, but I appreciate the answer about
window and if there is something for general *nix I'd like to
hear it too. By the way, are such encryption really effective
against id thieves, safe from corruptions, and fast? |
| 2004/8/12 [Uncategorized] UID:32848 Activity:nil |
8/11 On a related note, it's the Sanrio(R) Doom ]|[ Hello Kitty Flashlight!
http://www.pcgamemods.com/6645/s/1 |
| 2004/8/12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32849 Activity:insanely high |
8/12 Why is "tabbed browsing" in Mozilla a good feature. I've always been
able to open new windows in NS or IE by Ctrl-N or right-clicking and
choose "Open in new window".
\_ All your sites stay in the same window. Try opening 20 windows
in IE and then 20 tabs in mozilla. I don't understand why you
would even use NS when it is just the mozilla code with extra bad
and useless advertising crap and minus some of mozilla's better
features. Try it, you'll like it.
\_ Ads come from web pages, not a browser, right?
\_ Mozilla doesn't have a "SHOP" button, right next to the
"STOP" button, unlike IE, so no, wrong in this context.
\_ Also, it's a lot faster to open 20 tabs than 20 windows. And
you can have the tabs loading in the background, whereas
new windows will steal focus from your old one.
\_ I'm using NS 7.1 because it's been out there for a long time
(1yr?) and I thought that means it's more stable and fewer
security holes. Whereas Mozilla keeps on having new releases, so
it seems less stable.
\_ You are sadly misguided. Netscape is basically just a
snapshot of Mozilla at one moment in time, and from that
they put in some "value-added" crap. So you could just get
the release of Mozilla that your Netscape is derived from.
Look on the about page for the build date.
\_ Geez. I'm ditching NS now! Thx.
\_ it's a preference thing. for me, it's cleaner to have all my pages
in one window. wanna minimize everything? you just have to minimize
one window. not everyone needs the feature though.
\_ I use both tabs and multiple windows; each window contains several
tabs with related pages. It's a lot easier to manage than the
10+ windows I'd have open otherwise. -tom
\_ Yes, tabbed browsing is used most by non-degreed government
employees, followed closely by time spent on the wall, time
spent on the motd, then lunch, then smoke break, and somewhere
below clock watching, work.
\_ get a life.
\_ ouch! that was stinging! what a zinger!
\_ It's even better in Opera IMO. Mostly because if you close Opera
(or even if it crashes) when you start again all your pages are
still there.
\_ Opera: $$$. Mozilla: no $$$.
\_ Is there a FireFox extension that emulates this?
\_ crash recovery - http://recall.mozdev.org. I believe there's also
one that autosaves/remembers on start, but I haven't used it
-dwc
\_ Call me when it's no longer an extension.
\_ As if it matters. Why do you care? You want a giant
monolithic piece of crap with everything complied in?
Microsoft has the perfect browser for you!
\_ No, I'm not looking for emacs. Opera for Win32 is a
whopping 3.4 MB download. I hardly call that
monolithic.
\_ And it doesn't have the same feature set as
Mozilla.
\_ Also, an irritation of Mozilla is that when you close a tab, you
get dumped into the rightmost tab. Opera allows you to cycle
through MRU order. Oh, and you can move tabs around easily. And
if you have multiple frames, it's easy to move tabs from one
frame to another.
\_ I like the right tab focus. I just read tabs right to left
and open them in reverse order of interest.
\_ there are a couple nice extensions that allow you to do
things like this in mozilla/firefox as well...
\_ Call me when they're no longer extensions.
\_ Um... the whole POINT is that they're extensions, and
will never be integrated. Make the core product fast,
and let users add the additions that they want...
\_ Great. Will I have to download a plugin to use the
cursor keys to navigate a page up and down? Sorry,
if you have tabbed browsing, you need some ability
to use those tabs effectively. Opera is
light-years ahead of Mozilla on this.
\_ Call me when Opera costs the same as Mozilla.
\_ I navigate with the cursor keys all the time.
\_ Why is that not a plugin?! Those Moz
hypocrites--integrating that as a feature
instead of leaving it as a plugin.
\_ Why is free-as-in-beer not a feature of
Opera? Why do they have to plug-in to my
wallet to get a slightly different version
of tabbed browsing?
\_ I have no problem paying for superior
software. If you're happy with
inferior-but-free-as-in-beer tools,
more power to you.
\_ Superior? Opera is going to make
my life better than Mozilla enough
to pay for it? Which stock market
did you get your money in?
\_ Tab browsing makes it easier to follow threads in mailing lists.
You know that each of the tabs following the current on are
replies in the thread you are reading.
\_ I used to be annoyed by tabs; I liked Ctrl-N a lot. Now I love
tabs and I use Ctrl-T and middle-click all the time. Mainly a new
window opening up is just slower, and the saved start bar real
estate is great.
\_ Seconded. Tabs wierded me out for quite a while, but they really
\_ Seconded. Tabs weirded me out for quite a while, but they really
are quite convenient, for reasons of window managability, screen
real estate, nd background loading. On the rare occasions I want
to compare 2 pages side-by-side, there's still Ctrl-N.
to compare 2 pages side-by-side, there's still Ctrl-N. [spelld]
\_ Is there a way to configure Mozilla to always open links in
a new tab when you click (accidentailly) on a link that would
otherwise open a new window?? I don't always want to hold down
ctrl key when I am pressing the mouse button...
\_ Middle mouse button. It's in the preferences.
\_ Middle button always opens a new tab. I want to
open a new tab only if the link would open a new
window. Kind of override new window with new tab
feature.
\_ check out the tabbrowser extensions
\_ check about:config, browser.tabs.opentabfor.windowopen |
| 2004/8/12 [Transportation/Car] UID:32850 Activity:moderate |
8/12 Is Auto Update in XP going to install XP2 for me? I thought Auto
Update only downloads hot fixes but not service packs.
\_ Well, did it auto update you or not? SP2 (not XP2) has been out
for a few days.
\_ Oops. I meant SP2. -- OP
\_ It's only been out as a separate download and cd order. It's
not on Windows Update service yet.
\_ Then why did I get a popup yesterday from the auto update
service asking me if I wanted to download/install it?
\_ Must be another update it was asking about. |
| 2004/8/12 [Computer, Computer/SW/Apps/Media] UID:32851 Activity:high |
8/11 Holo-deck one step closer: http://tinyurl.com/5uusb \_ Great, then we can spend every episode in the holodeck. Oh wait, we already did that. \_ That was only in Voyager. TNG and DS9 had lots of non-holodeck episodes. - STMG \_ Actually, TNG was the worst abuser. How many times did the holodeck computer characters gain true conciousness and try to take over the ship? The holodeck computer was their greatest enemy on TNG, not the Borg. DS9 was just boring until they tried to clone the much better B5 and failed. \_ 3 times that I can think of, 2 Moriority episodes and the one where the ship gained consciousness and expressed itself through the holodeck. \_ hahahha!! I don't know what episodes you're talking about so i must not be a nerd! woohoo! |
| 2004/8/12 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Computer/HW/Memory] UID:32852 Activity:moderate |
8/11 Mac guy, did you end up getting the memory? Compusa and Fry's currently
have rebates on SODIMM memory
\_ I am the mac guy, jackass. Mac's don't work with cable modem. And
where's my shirt. |
| 2004/8/12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32853 Activity:moderate |
8/12 Nice. I'll have to remember religious questions about browsers the nex
t
time I'm trolling.
\_ And so at last the beast fell and the unbelievers rejoiced. But all
was not lost, for from the ash rose a great bird. The bird gazed
down upon the unbelievers and cast fire and thunder upon them. For
the beast had been reborn with its strength renewed, and the
followers of Mammon cowered in horror.
- from The Book of Mozilla, 7:15
\_ At least nobody is defending IE.
\_ IE! IE is the standard!
\_ For crashes, bugs, and popups. I love MS. |
| 2004/8/12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32854 Activity:very high |
8/12 For those trying to get to the bottom of the Swift Boat Vets vs. John
Kerry issue, here's a good link which collects some info:
http://centerfeud.blogs.com/centerfeud/2004/05/kerry_dissed_by.html
The May 4 2004 press conference of the veterans is here (Real format):
rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/c04/c04050404_antikerry.rm
\_ Here's also Kerry's 1971 testimony:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/20/1535232
If you ask me, this is what's happened:
#1: They're pissed that John came down on the hippie, flower-power
side when they're the ones volunteering their lives for their
side when they were the ones volunteering their lives for their
country.
\_ He did alot more than just come down on the hippie side. He
was effectively allied with the Vietcong, fighting domestically.
\_ Hehahhahahhahahhahhahahhahahahhahhahhahahahahahhahaha.
Oh wow. Thanks for the laugh. That was a good one.
Next you'll be accusing him of appearing at rallies alongside
Jane Fonda.
\_ Haven't you heard of the secret meetings with the Gen.
Giap where he promised the other side better negotiating
terms if they would hold out on signing a peace treaty
until after he was elected president???
#2: The hippie, flower-power side is right, insofar as what Kerry
said in his speech. (I doubt they can deny the substance of what
he said -- if they really read major parts of the testimony, instead
of isolated quotes.)
#3: Kerry genuinely laid blame on the Administration rather than
the soldiers.
#4: Kerry wishes he could have made this distinction clearer,
perhaps by talking more about the soldier's plight -- it's not
a soldier's place to question where their President sends them --
and regrets missing the chance back then.
#5: The talk about Kerry wavering in combat is garbage. This is
just stuff made up to justify point #1, and just not liking the man
because of it. Most of his crewmembers support him, and that's
what says it all as far as combat.
Here's your homework: Quotes from the swift vets for truth
http://swift1.he.net/~swiftvet/index.php?topic=SwiftVetQuotes
Compare to Kerry's 1971 testimony from the previous URL. Judge
for yourself.
\_ Nice effort, but it will go ignored. The only people that
care about these Swift Boat turds are some Freeper nuts on the
Internet, and they won't listen to a word you're saying.
\_ it was a weak effort. i'll reply later. its lunch time now.
\_ You're right. People will make their choice between
re-electing president McCain and Kerry based on their
*merrits* not on the basis of some rightwing smear
campaign...Oh, wait a minute...There *is* no President
McCain because those fuckers' tactics actually work.
\_ no, McCain had my vote until he turned into a big crybaby
during the primaries. i don't want some unstable whack
job as president. if ya can't take the heat during a
primary, you're not fit for command.
\_ I didn't ask you. I just posted the link. I think your #'d
items are assertions without basis. |
| 2004/8/12 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:32855 Activity:nil |
8/12 Do csh or tcsh have a way to redirect stdout and stderr to seperate
files?
\_ (myCommand myArgs > myStdout.file) >& myStderr.file --- yuen |
| 2004/8/12 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32856 Activity:high |
8/12 What's the difference between Mozilla and Firefox? Is Mozilla
identical to Firefox plus chat plus e-mail plus other apps? -mgates
\_ Just DOWNLOAD IT ALREADY. Firefox is < 5 megs. I'm sure you can
swing that. Find out what you like, and quit this inane chatter.
It's a web browser, not a lifestyle choice.
\_ http://texturizer.net/firefox/faq.html#q1.3
\_ Thanks! That's what I need.
\_ Mozilla has more features. Firefox is still in beta, it is a
different browser written from the ground up. I use Mozilla
because it has features that FireFox don't have. Eventually
Firefox will catchup to Mozilla in terms of feature, then I'll
switch. I do use IE for windows update.
\_ It is not written from the ground up. Firefox shares a hell
of a lot of code with Mozilla. The main difference is the
front end. |
| 2004/8/12-13 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:32857 Activity:high |
8/12 Is there a way to combine two files without writing? I mean
unlinking the 2nd file but instead of freeing its blocks, adding them
to the end of the 1st file. Suppose gap is not an issue.
\_ Instead of asking for an answer to some obscure no-details technical
question, how about you ask us what you're actually really trying to
do and maybe we can then help you solve the real problem?
\_ Well, I want to make some kind of revision control except I
don't want to do diffs (suppose it's binary) and just want to
keep copies of old files up to a certain number (sort of like
what VMS did). As such, I don't want to read and write the
files but just chain old copies together with some control info
recorded separately. If you have a better solution I would like
to hear it, but my original question is quite well specified.
\_ How about moving the files into a special directory? I know
it's boring, but it would be easy, portable, and work.
\_ You're describing tar. Rename the old file and move it into
a tar file you've created for this purpose. Tar will append,
allow searching, has control info, allow extracting by file
name, etc, etc. Don't re-invent the wheel.
\_ Yeah it is like tar, but tar actually has to read the file
and then copy it bit by bit to another file. I want to
just append the list of data blocks of the 2nd file to
that of the 1st file before unlinking it.
\_ Why?
\_ More efficient????? You don't have to read and write
1000 50 MB files if you are not changing them. |
| 2004/8/12 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:32858 Activity:very high |
8/12 Same sex marriage nullified, yeah!!
\_ Why is this even a surprise. Newsome himself knew this would
happen. He carried out the marriages because:
1) he wanted to shed his image as a prviliged yuppie by breakin'
the law
2) he was pandering
\_ Do you honestly believe that being a pimp helps you get
votes in San Francisco? Or do you mean pander in the more
general "this guy is appealing to a group I don't like"
lazy incorrect fashion that some politicians like to use?
\_ Wow, like this isn't even a good troll.
3) increased revenue from all the licenses
\_ Now I know you're joking. SF collected $200k from the
4000 couples. Compare that to the city budget of $5B.
Less than 4/1000s of a percent.
4) increased tax revenue from all the rings and wedding cakes and
such
If he really cared about the issue, he would have challenged this
through the courts.
\_ You think he handed out gay marriage licenses to get increased
revenue from the the licenses and wedding cake sales? You're
friggin nuts. I don't agree with the pro gay marriage thing,
but I think you're even nuttier.
\_ No, I think the primary reason (the one which I listed first
for a reason and the one you didn't comment on) was to
project an image of a rebel, since Gonzales made it a closer
election than anyone expected. I think the increased revenue
from gay tourists flocking to the City was just icing.
\_ Can't agree more. I'm not against gay marriage, but I'm against
breaking the law, especially while representating a govt body.
\_ Whew! That's good, 'cause I was about to start smokin' pole any
second...
\_ Libertarians to thread...
\_ I think the libertarian position on gay marriage is that
marriage is between two people or two people and their church,
and government shouldn't have anything to do with it one way
or the other. Is that about right?
\_ I doubt that's right--there are legal aspects around things
like inheritance which can't be decided by the church.
\_ Sure they can. The old Church said you should give
everything to them to avoid going to Hell.
\_ Probably, but some of the local Libertarians go through some
amazing contortions to toe the Republican party line...
\_ The government is the recording authority. Beyond that, it
should get out of the business of deciding who or what can
marry and leave that up the the individuals involved. Is
that the Republican line?
\_ no, it isn't.
\_ As a (R) the last thing I want is Libertarians at my party.
\_ More to the point, Same-sex marriages illegally performed in CA were
nullified. Everyone should be glad about this, or any Mayor could
start changing state law any way he or she pleased.
start changing state law any way he or she pleased. (this was the
original text of the comment below)
\_ Agreed. If you don't like the law, change it, don't break it.
Especially don't make a City break the law.
\_ More to the point, Same-sex marriages illegally performed in CA were
nullified. Everyone should be glad about this, or any man could
start marrying any dog or box turtle he pleases,
\_ By reading this post, why do I feel like I've gone back in time
50 years?
\_ Because you've missed the point. The courts ruled that the
marriages were carried out illegally. Rather than challenging
the definition of marriage through the courts, Newsom took
the law into his own hands. The above poster is basically
saying he's glad any other mayor cannot now just take the law
into his own hands to marry whatever to whomever. You probably
also thinkthat Clinton got impeached for receiving a bj.
\_ lol. I can't believe you fucking guys. All we ever hear
from you is the evils of "activist judges" legislating
from the bench, and now you want it challeneged through
the courts? man, this would be hilarious if i didn't
have to share a country with you fuckers.
\_ Please tell me this is some kind of troll. No one here
could really be THIS dumb, could they?
\_ It's pretty dumb. Please read my response below:
\_ These judges are enforcing existing law; if they were
"activist", they would leave the marriages legal.
That's what you get from the first look at it.
On a second look, any conscientious judge would feel
ashamed 50 years from now to take part in enforcing
the no-gay-marriage law, as it is clearly a "separate
but equal" issue; and "separate but equal" has been
shown to violate the Constitution.
\_ What "no-gay-marriage" law?
\_ The federal DOMA as well as the California state
initiative. Everyone knows these laws are
unconstitutional - why do you think there's a
rush to desecrate^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hamend the
constitution before the Supremes take a look at
DOMA?
\_ Nonono, you got it all wrong: Gay marriage
desecrates the sanctity of Marriage!
\_ Sanctity is a religious concept. Here in the
USA, we have a secular government. Religion
is a private matter. Why is this so hard for
some people to understand? If you really
want to live in a theocracy, move to Iran.
\_ Inasmuch as Jefferson wrote volumes on
separation of church and state, he is
only one guy, and there is a good
argument that the U.S. was founded on
Christian values and the belief in God.
Between having a government where
mentioning religion in a public place
is illegal, and the "establishment of
religion" clause, there is a lot of room.
\_ It clearly was not "founded on
Christian values". The republican
concepts were lifted from classical
(pagan) philosophy. Christian values
involve strong church authority. They
don't mention anything Christian,
but merely the generic "God" and
"creator" which signify nothing.
\_ They do? What about Protestants?
The whole issue with Protestants was
rebellion against Church authority.
You are spouting, my friend.
-- ilyas
\_ If it is so clear to you, please
show me evidence that this country
was founded on classical (pagan)
philosophy without regard to
the dominant Protestantism at
the time. I also think this
sentence is flat out wrong:
"Christian values involve strong
church authority." C'mon. We
have Christian values throughout
the U.S. today, and there is no
strong church authority.
\_ BZZT! Homosexuals have the same right to marriage
as any straight person. They have the legal right to
marry someone of the opposite sex. The law does not
care about love or personal taste or desire. The
law is only about strict factual concepts like your
gender, age, and race in regards to equality issues.
\_ Sexual orientation is, for the vast majority of
cases, something someone is born with. Over time,
it will be more concretely established in U.S.
law that it deserves the same level of protection
as gender, race, and age -- because it is
something someone is born with.
\_ Url on the statistics on that? Or is this just
a liberal article of faith?
\_ actually, I think it was the part about the dog and box
turtle
\_ Its possible to both support Newsom's actions and the actions
of the court. You may wish to look up the definition of
"civil disobedience."
\_ You may wish to take English 1A again. Box-turtle guy
explains why he thinks this is good news. Critic calls
box-turtle guy intolerant slut. All I said was that
box-turtle guy's statement doesn't have anything to do
with intolerance and everything to do with following
legal procedures.
\_ The fact that you don't think there's anything
intolerant about comparing an expression of love
between two human beings to an expression of "love"
between a man and a turtle is quite revealing.
\_ Love has nothing to do with marriage. Marriage
is a legal state that all people have equal access
to. All people have the legal right to marry
someone of the opposite sex. There is no equal
rights issue here.
\_ Love has nothing to do with marriage? Boy,
I REALLY hope you're not married.
\_ Actually, all I said was that the dog and turtle
part sounded like it came from a stodgy old guy
from 50 years ago with the thick-rimmed glasses.
\_ It actually came from a guy who's covered in
KY and feces.
\_ Actually, it came from some jerkoff (pun
intended) who change my original post.
\_ Civil disobedience isn't an elected official ignoring
the law. It's private citizens disobeying the law. A
Mayor's job is to enforce the law, and if he's unwilling
to enforce it, he should step aside and act as a private
citizen.
\_ This is a stretch when we are talking about San
Francisco, and I think you know it.
\_ Just because San Francisco is full of wackos
doesn't mean it's elected officials shouldn't be
held to their oaths.
\_ I think you're stretching, and I still think
you know it ...
\_ I'm not the above person who thinks SF is
full of whackos, but he does have a point.
Consider racist southern sheriffs who would
refuse to enforce the law against whites
who attacked and murdered blacks.
\_ What about an activist sherriff before
emancipation who refused to track down
escaped slaves, or refused to prosecute
the people who helped slaves escape?
\_ Slavery is a way of making people
unequal and is thus a violation of
the Constitution's equal rights
sections. Allowing marriage only
between those of the opposite sex is
not a violation. All adults are
allowed to marry someone of the
opposite sex and not marry someone of
the same sex. This law is applied
equally to all people. No issue here.
\_ "The law, in its majestic equality,
forbids the rich as well as the
poor to sleep under bridges, to
beg in the streets, and to steal
bread." --Anatole France
\_ Scuse me, Junior Scalia, but I think
your legal analysis is a wee bit
lacking here. But thanks for
posting it three times, repetition
definitely increases the
effectiveness of your arguments.
\_ Not to be too weasely or anything but he took
an oath to uphold the law, and made a
calculated judgement that the (dominant)
equal-protection clause contradicted with the
no-gay-marriage law. Elected officials have to
interpret the law all the time, but courts have
the final say on interpretation of law. |
| 2004/8/12-13 [Reference/RealEstate] UID:32859 Activity:high |
8/12 besides craigslist, what is a good place to find duplexes to rent?
\_ you know what city or area you are looking for would help...
\_ oops.. campbell , san jose, thanks
\_ How is the rental market now? Is it easy to find rooms to rent?
\_ Obvious troll.
\_ No, I am trying to decide if I should rent out my rooms.
Last time I did it it was quite difficult to get tenants. |
| 2004/8/12 [Consumer/Audio] UID:32860 Activity:kinda low |
8/12 Heh. iPod vs. Cassette tape:
http://homepage.mac.com/danielturek/PhotoAlbum50.html
\_ HAHAHA! So much for technology advancement.
\_ How about iPod vs. microcassette? |
| 2004/8/12 [Uncategorized] UID:32861 Activity:nil |
8/12 Non-politically speaking, who's doing a better campaigning job.
Who has the better strategy? |
| 2004/8/12-13 [Computer/SW/RevisionControl] UID:32862 Activity:nil |
8/12 Say I have some directories in a CVS tree containing source for
related libraries. Some of these libraries have dependencies on
other libraries. If I want to be able to retrieve a particular
version of a library, along with the correct versions of the other
libraries it's dependent on, how should I organize things? I was
thinking of tagging the library and its dependencies with the
same tag, like libfoo-1-1-0 or something, and then doing a
cvs update -f -r libfoo-1-1-0, but this has some drawbacks. Does
anyone know of better methods? Thanks.
\_ What drawbacks? This would be the correct method. tag the group
or trees (with the desired versions) under an umbrella tag. |
| 2004/8/12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:32863 Activity:high |
8/12 So can anyone tell me where the political wingnuts on the motd came
from? I don't remember anyone so nutty when I was involved
in the CSUA (97-01).
\_ I think we somehow gave an account to a pissed off
re-entry veteran student. - danh
\_ Young people are generally apathetic about politics. My theory
is that as the posters to the motd grew older, they became
more interested in politics. As to why they are so nutty,
your theory is as good as mine.
\_ I think the nutty stuff is mostly trolls from people who have
boring jobs with nothing to do most of the day- and the recent
increase is just from post-dot-com-bust-shitty-job-market. From
97-01, people had too much to do. From 01-02, nobody was employed.
Now, people are employed, but don't do anything.
\_ two words: graduate school.
\_ So you think Freeperguy just keeps track of the latest freeps
so that he can troll the rest of us?
\_ http://FreeRepublic.com. Fox News. Not really liking poor people.
That's all you need to create a right-wing "wingnut".
Liberal media. Michael Moore. Not really liking rich people.
That's all you need to create a left-wing "wingnut".
\_ This kind of Red-State/Blue-State thinking is the whole problem.
Reducing people to abstractions doesn't teach you anything about
them. The computer science solution to problems is not always
the correct one.
\_ agreed. i think the average "red state" or "blue state"
person would be horrified by most of the socialist/communist
lefists and ayn rand rightwingers that prevail on both
sides of the political spectrum among geeks.
\_ Hey, someone asked how wingnuts came about, I gave an answer.
Of course there are a lot of non-wingnut left and
right-wingers. Hell, my "I will kill Michael Moore if I
ever see him" younger brother who watches O'Reilly all the
time managed to get his hands on my copy of Starship Troopers
(book not movie): He nows says he's joining the Army as
long as Kerry isn't elected.
\_ Your brother sounds like he really needs a CSUA account.
\_ Rent him the DVD. See if he gets the satire.
\_ He saw that movie 10-20 times already. Apparently
he likes both.
\_ Politics have gotten far more acrimonious since the 2000 Election.
This election cycle has simply built upon that.
\_ Labelling people as a wingnut if they don't agree with you.
\_ Ha. No. |
| 2004/8/12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32864 Activity:nil 70%like:32845 |
8/12 Hard fact is, Kerry froze up during the Cold War
<DEAD>www.tardrepublic.com/focus/f-news/1189962/posts<DEAD>
\_ Um, being against deficit spending is not dumb. And Reagan ==
Iran-Contra. And well, Dubya ain't no Reagan.
\_ So ceding central america to the Soviets was a good idea? The
Soviets were pouring hundrends of millions into Nicaragua.
Why don't you condemn Carter in Afghanistan? |
| 2004/8/12 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:32865 Activity:nil |
8/12 Whoa. The governor of NJ just outed himself as gay. I bet CNN wasn't
expecting THAT, HAHAHA.
\_ He's sacrificing his wife's face for political gain. He'd better
run for president before Newsom gains enough momentum some day.
\_ What the hell are you smoking?
\_ Please give me a hit on that crack pipe. He admitted he was
gay, he admitted he had an affair, he resigned, and now he is
free to pay the personal consequences with his wife, family, and
friends. I think you would only be satisfied if he condemned
homosexuals and became born again.
\_ It would have been sweet had he been a Republican.
\_ Yeah it would be sweet if scumbags like that were Republican.
They are Democrat though. Democrats have a firm grasp on
sexual misconduct in this country.
\_ Sexual misconduct? He didn't molest a kid (or a box turtle,
sigh), he's gay.
\_ Hello!? Affair? HELLO? ANYONE UP THERE IN YOUR HEAD?
And to the guy below, going to a sex club is not misconduct.
\_ You're a dumbass. If you had referred to the sexual
harassment suit against him, you might have something
to stand on.
\_ Uh, it is not "going to a sex club" that was the big
deal -- c'mon, don't tell me that's what you truly
thought was the worst of what he did?
But the previous poster was an idiot -- the sexual
misconduct is not in being gay, but in having sex with
someone else while married. Being gay makes it only
a tiny bit less bad.
\_ The sexual misconduct that has any bearing on his
holding office is getting his lover a security
position which he didn't have clearance for. If
he made a personal decision that the affair itself
affected his ability to govern, then that's his
call. Not yours.
\_ Google "Jack Ryan" Illinois
\_ Yeah, I think Jack Ryan (wife is Seven of Nine) and Bill
Clinton are the champs right now, as far as combining
fame and the offensiveness of the deed(s).
\_ Let's not forget about convicted pedophile Barney Frank
and his predecessor.
\_ Huh? Got any URLs for this one? |
| 2004/8/12 [Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:32866 Activity:very high |
8/12 Cringely has a short, excellent, non-techie article up.
http://www.pbs.org/cgi-registry/cringely/thisweek.pl?pulpit
\_ Key phrase: "My view is that they went ahead because they were more
interested in punishment than deterrence." I agree. I am more
interested in punishment than deterrence, also. What about you?
Would you let a known criminal off the hook if it would prevent
crime? I wouldn't. -- ilyas
\_ obWhyDoYouHateAmerica?
\_ My question is, What kind of punishment did the study recommend for
poor people in the ghetto?
\_ Err, hopefully it would have only been those that had committed
a crime first that were punished, but then again this is the
motd...
\_ Excellent? It's a rambling mess.
\_ All of Cringely's columns are about the same thing: What a
clever little monkey I am. After reading the article do you
actually understand anything new? There are a bunch of
assertions made, he mentions he knowns one of the principles,
he has his little twist at the end ... but is there a cite
or link to the brilliant article? Is the thesis actually
explained [the thesis isnt "the govt is wrong" but should
explain the deterrence failure]. Cringely is a guy who doesnt
understand social science, economics and politics writing for
people who dont understand social science, economics or
politics.
\_ Key phrase: "My view is that they went ahead because they were more
interested in punishment than deterrence." I agree. I am more
interested in punishment than deterrence, also. What about you?
Would you let a known criminal off the hook if it would prevent
crime? I wouldn't. -- ilyas |
| 2004/8/12-13 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:32867 Activity:moderate |
8/12 So anyone got SP2, any problems? Issues?
\_ I couldn't resist, installed it a couple days ago. I have a "volume
license key" (corporate) copy and changed my key as a precaution but
I haven't heard of any problems in that area. No problems. I
immediately shut off their new security center thing and their
firewall. I heard there may be some problem with Divx video.
\_ No issues. Installed it on Athlon 64 3200+ desktop with recent
WinXP install; then on WinXP notebook which hasn't gotten an
OS re-install in 2 years. The uninstall backup is required, and
will take ~ 450MB more wherever you save it.
will take ~ 450MB more wherever you save it. No product key issues
(and I would have one if there were something there).
After it installed, I did turn off the WinXP firewall.
\_ Is MS going to release something similar for Win2K?
\_ Unlikely. |
| 2004/8/12-13 [Science/Space] UID:32868 Activity:low |
8/12 Bio Q: you overdose on brownies and cake and you'd like to stave off th
e
sugar rush and eventual diabetes. Does drinking a few glasses of water
dilute the sugar (and thus delay absorption) or does it simply
pre-dissolve the sugar (and speed it up)?
\_ Are you related to the 480 pound woman in the URL below?
\_ Drink water, go jogging/cycling, repeat.
\_ Sun basketball, Tue dance, Wed basketball + badminton,
Fri tennis, Sat swim, repeat weekly
\_ What happens on Thursday?
\_ And on Thursday, God went shopping, and there were sales. And
the sales were good. And God was pleased. And there was much
rejoicing.
\_ A combination of both. |
| 2004/8/12 [Uncategorized] UID:32869 Activity:nil |
8/12 For those who missed it and are playing Doom:
The Sanrio(R) Doom ]|[ Hello Kitty Flashlight(TM)!
http://www.pcgamemods.com/6645/s/1 (only shotty and machine gun tho) |
| 2004/8/12 [Science/Biology, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:32870 Activity:high |
8/12 On a related note, how to turn lazy, procrastinating soda users
into productive people:
http://csua.org/u/8kr (longer LA Times article)
\_ Great. Tack that onto my speed habit and I might as well be
surgically grafted into my office chair.
\_ Speed habit? Did sky and muchandr suddenly relapse?
\_ That just makes confirms that laziness is a sign of higher brain
function. |
| 2004/8/12 [Uncategorized] UID:32871 Activity:high |
8/12 What fraction of programmers take speed?
\_ *I* don't take speed, but my nose does, so say 1/3000th? |
| 2004/8/12 [Health/Skin, Health/Disease/General] UID:32872 Activity:nil |
8/12 Oh. My. God.
http://www.wftv.com/news/3643877/detail.html
\_ This is something I don't mind being purged (no pun, please god).
\_ That's vile. Someone been reading the cruel site of the day? (It
is, however, safe for work.)
\_ Longer article, w/ quotes: http://csua.org/u/8kl
\_ I guess some people wait until someone's almost dead before calling
emergency services. Reminds me of the case of that guy whose head
was rotting away and maggots were crawling on his brain and stuff.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/maggots.asp |
| 2004/8/12 [Uncategorized] UID:32873 Activity:nil |
8/12 So let the purge finger-pointing begin! |
| 2004/8/12 [Computer/Companies/Ebay, Computer/Companies/Google] UID:32874 Activity:nil |
8/12 Oh great, google auction to begin on Friday the 13th, haha.
\_ not funny, I'm being forced to file tomorrow :P (summer filing
deadline) |
| 2004/8/12 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:32875 Activity:nil |
8/12 what happened to kchang? why'd he get squished? |
| 2004/8/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32876 Activity:very high |
8/12 JANUARY -- NOT CHRISTMAS -- KERRY IN CAMBODIA
http://drudgereport.com/dnc93.htm
\_ somewhat unrelated: was Jello Biafra's "Holiday in Cambodia"
song somehow related to this?
\_ unlikely.
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/dead-kennedys/38157.html
\_ OH NO HE'S TOTALLY UNFIT TO BE PRESIDENT
\_ True, all sarcasm aside.
\_ You'd prefer a "thoughtful and sensitive war" against the
terrorists, as Kerry has proposed?
\_ Thoughtful is a good thing in the conduct of a war.
Sensitive to our allies & potential allies, also a good
thing. Called "diplomacy". Saved more lives and won more
conflicts throughout history than all guns & bombs
combined. Remember your von Clausewitz? War is an extension
of politics by other means? Think about it. -John
\_ Diplomacy? Please enumerate the number of lives saved and
which conflicts were won through diplomacy throughout
history. Like how post-WWI and pre-WWII diplomacy
resulted in a lasting peace in our time with honor and
all that?
\_ cold "war". Lives saved: 5 billion
\_ Do you want me to post the quote from Bush saying the same
thing? --scotsman
\_ We've seen enough out of context quotes from you. No.
\_ Actually, it wouldn't be out of context, and really,
would you rather see out of context quotes from me on
wall or from Cheney in stump speeches? --scotsman
\_ I prefer to not see any more out of context rants
from you or anyone else on wall or motd or
anywhere else, thanks.
\_ why do you read the motd at all? - danh
\_ Because he likes having a venue for tossing
out baseless accusations without any
consequence. Go reiffin! --scotsman
\_ The motd is pseudo anonymous. Do you feel
big now? Has naming someone strengthened
your point in any way? If I cared about
it that much, I wouldn't post. Anyone who
cares can dig through the archives of either
the wall or motd for your previous quotes.
I don't care that much and I doubt anyone
else does either.
\_ Because sometimes there are interesting and
useful threads. The rantings and out of
context quotes are neither interesting nor
useful but they don't ruin the rest of it.
\_ <DEAD>www.reagan.navy.mil/bush_speech.htm<DEAD>
"Precisely because America is powerful, we must be
sensitive about expressing our power and influence.
Our goal is to patiently build the momentum of freedom,
not create resentment for America itself." -GW Bush
<SARCASM>
Clearly from reading George W. Bush's entire quote he
means building coalitions of the willing who recognize
that showing weakness will only aid terror. After
reading John Kerry's entire quote, when it comes to
differences between the Republican and Democratic
tickets on the Iraq war, Kerry's "more sensitive"
remark wraps it all up in a bow!
</SARCASM>
Why does it feel I'm writing Tom Tomorrow lines?
http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=17231
\_ Sarcasm? That wasn't sarcasm. That was you trying
to defend the undefendable Kerry again. Tell us
again how Kerry is somehow different from GWB? He
said only a few days ago that knowing what we know
now he would have invaded Iraq. The only difference
is he would have sent ~2.5x as many troops and they
would have been more 'sensitive'. And oh yeah, our
pseudo allies would have magically joined up and
freely given up the billions of dollars they were
making off Iraq just because John is a thoughtful,
nuanced and sensitive guy. Riiiiight.
\_ who are you voting for?
\_ Nader. Who'd you think? I'll write him in
if I have to.
\_ "I believe I can fight a more effective, more thoughtful,
more strategic, more proactive, more sensitive war on terror
that reaches out to other nations and brings them to our
side." -John Kerry
Cheney is being disingenuous, to say the least. And then
here's his wife, Lynne Cheney:
"With all due respect to the senator, it just sounded so
foolish ... This is the kind of left-wing foolishness that
certainly isn't appropriate for someone who would seek to
be commander-in-chief."
\_ no. no. no. you can't apply context to right wing
talking point sound bites. now the thread will be
purged.
\_ The full quote says the same thing. Sensitive to
whom, Iran?
\_ Sensitive to our allies (not alienating them), and
not pulling on Iraqis' genitalia while in our jails.
\_ Well if its not clear to you why Russia, France
and China acted they way they did you are
naive or stupid, maybe both. Please name
an era in our's or anyone's history where a
"thoughtful and sensitive" foreign policy existed.
\_ Point 1: Powell's UN presentation was
pathetic. The "Intelligence Community's"
findings, which Powell presented, were clearly
not supported by the available intelligence,
as concluded by the 9/11 Commission. Powell's
presentation was treated coldly, and for
good reason! I strongly urge you to refrain
from labeling people naive or stupid
on this point, as it makes you look naive
and/or stupid.
Point 2: "Thoughtful and sensitive" is
Cheney's, or perhaps your quote. Don't
quote out of context, and even worse, DON'T
REARRANGE WORDS AND PUT DOUBLE QUOTES AROUND
THE REARRANGED PHRASE. Continuing on, the
entire, unmodified statement means what I
said it meant: sensitive to our allies
(not alienating them), and not damaging
our credibility by sexually abusing
those under our authority.
You should be very glad you are not signing
your name, since what you said would stick
with you in a lot of people's memories. -jctwu
\_ Please refer to the last five words of
the first sentence for reaffirmation.
\_ Point this, point that, whatever. Go back
and read the full quote. No matter how you
want to arrange the words, they still mean
the same thing. Stop defending the
undefendable and you'll be less stressed
out. Bush has fucked up a number of things
and that's unfortunate and he's not the
greatest President the country has had but
he's doing ok and he's doing a hell of a
lot better than a psycho like Gore or a
man with no vision like Kerry would do.
\_ You have several problems. Your
characterization ("stop defending the
undefendable") is inaccurate. You made
a mistake with the quote and you know it.
Finally, the last few posts by me
indicate that I have read the whole quote,
and it is clear to me it does not mean the
same as your three-word phrase which Kerry
never spoke, and in my opinion Cheney
and you wish to mislead with. I do
approve of your not signing your
name, and I say that without sarcasm.
\_ This is now he-said, she-said. There
was no 'mistake' made with Kerry's
quote. He's a flip flopping weakling
with no vision. I think it's terribly
funny that one anonymous person would
insult another anonymous person for
being anonymous. I don't care at all
either way usually but since you
brought it up.... And I say that
without sarcasm. Hah!
\_ Yup Kerry is a weakling like all
the others who VOLUNTEERED to go
to Vietnam. Real men, like Bush,
Cheney and Clinton made sure they
didn't have to go serve there.
And Bush doesn't have any
"flip-flops", unless it's about
gay marriage, or Department of
Homeland Security, or nation
building, or the assualt weapons
ban, or steel tariffs, or tax
credits for hybrid cars, or
creation of the 9/11 commission ...
Bush is guaranteed to stick to his
ideologically driven positions
unless reality forces him to change
his position.
\_ Heh, ok let's go with your line
line. Both men are either flip
floppers or have nuance. Which
term do you prefer? Since you
won't accept Bush having any
nuance and they both change
positions, they must both be
flip floppers. Yet, wait, you
say Kerry isn't a flip flopper.
He has nuance. I'm confused!
hehe.
\_ but only one has low IQ.
hehe. |
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