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2004/8/4-5 [Industry/Jobs] UID:32672 Activity:high
8/3     Blogger/Google is hiring a UI engineer.  Must already have a blog.
        Expert HTML/CSS/JavaScript.  User-centered design.  A lot of web
        application development experience.  Mt View.  -- misha.
        \_ Why would anyone want to join google at this point?  You'll get
           low pay, no options or options with a value set so high they'll
           be below water 2 days after the IPO, and you'll work like a dog.
           I learned a long time ago having some 'cool' job on your resume
           isn't worth the bullshit.  No one cares 6 months later.
           \_ yes I can't think of anything worse than working
              at google.
           \_ I know. I'd rather be unemployed and homeless.
           \_ Working with smart people is overrated anyway.
           \_ It has its moments.  -- misha.
        \_ How many people does google interview for each position before
           hiring someone, on average?
           \_ 1E100
              \_ If I don't find that answer amusing, does that mean I shouldn't
                 apply?
                 \_ Are you smrt?  Will you move to Mountain View?
                    \_ yes.  no.
2004/8/4 [Uncategorized] UID:32673 Activity:nil
8/4     Old garbage uniformly purged, without attention to race, creed,
        color, gender, or IQ.  --NTUMGP
2004/8/4 [Computer/Domains] UID:32674 Activity:kinda low
8/4     How funny, .su must be back by popular demand:
        http://www.nic.ru/en/index.html  -John
        \_ In SOVIET RUSSIA, domain registers YOU!
2004/8/4 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:32675 Activity:nil
8/4     A little humor for C programmers in the audience:
        http://csua.org/u/8g8
2004/8/4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32676 Activity:high
8/4     Mozilla 1.7.2 and Firefox 0.9.3 are out (fixes several
        security vulnerabilites):
        Release notes: http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.7.2
        Download Mozilla: http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x
        Download Firefox: http://csua.org/u/8g9
        \_ On Windoze, is it more memory hungry than NS7.1?  Thx.
        \_ On Windoze, are they more memory hungry than NS7.1?  Thx.
           \_ Firefox?  Definitely not.  Dunno about communicator.
           \_ I can't imagine what would make Netscape use *less* memory than
              Mozilla.  As far as I can tell, it's Mozilla with extra junk
              added.
              \_ What junk in NS7.1 doesn't exist in Mozilla?  I've never used
                 any version of Mozilla yet.
                 \_ NS7.1 is mozilla with AOL ads and a couple odd toolbars.
                    Basically, check out firefox, you'll probably like it.
              \_ use firefox. it is The Way.
2004/8/4 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:32677 Activity:moderate
8/4     Other mozilla question, please:  I'd like to set up mozilla so that
        when I find myself on a korean or japanese webpage it shows the proper
        characters, instead of '????????'.  I'd still like to have everything
        default to english.  How do I go about doing this? (Mozilla 1.7.x)
        \_ 1. install proper fonts. 2. manually changes encoding via "view"
           menu.
        \_ If running XP, make sure Control Panel -> Regional setting ->
           Languages, select "install files for east asian languages"..
2004/8/4 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:32678 Activity:moderate
8/4     PuTTY 0.55 is out. Fixes a big SSHv2 vulnerability:
        Release Notes: http://tinyurl.com/2rpub
        Download: link:tinyurl.com/4z2k4
        MD5s: http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/0.55/md5sums
        \_ Speaking of putty, anyone know how to prevent ^? from being sent?  I
           have backspace set to ^H, but if I have shift held down and hit
           backspace it sends ^?.
2004/8/4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:32679 Activity:nil
8/4     Did you know, Powell re-confirms Bush did the right thing?
        http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/7/21/231135.shtml
        \_  Everyone thinks  Bush did the right thing, unless you
        are a commie scum bastard
        \_ then, Bush must has done the right thing!
2004/8/4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:32680 Activity:very high
8/4     Anyone knows how to make ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v start updating again?
        \_ Ask him?
        \_ Here, now you can run your own private script.  Don't forget to
           mkdir /csua/tmp/username.  The next thing that can be done to this
           is to prevent check-ins if the motd is about like 100 KB (someone
           puts binary junk in it):
           #!/bin/sh

           cd /csua/tmp/$USER

           while [ 1 ]
           do
               co -q -f -l motd
               cp /etc/motd.public motd
               ci -q -m_ motd
               sleep 120
           done
           \_ Or make it check the output of `file /etc/motd.public` ro make
              sure it says ASCII.
           \_ It is good that mehlhaff is making publically accessible archive.
              Think what will happen to the quota if everyone is to maintain
              his own.
              \_ as a data point, I have been maintaining my own using this
                 exact script since April 4 this year, and it is now 9MB
                 (including when binary files were put in /etc/motd).
                 Nevertheless, I support some common archive that can be
                 reliably restarted whenever soda is rebewted.
                 I do notice, also, the check-ins taking longer these days
                 (longer than 2 seconds).  I do support some common archive
                 that can be reliably restarted whenever soda is rebewted.
2004/8/4 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:32681 Activity:high
8/4     Moore altered headlines: http://tinyurl.com/57a5l
        \_ In other news, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and Sean Hannity are
           ALSO big fat liars!
           \_ But Moore is fatter than all of them COMBINED!
2004/8/4 [Computer/Companies/Apple] UID:32682 Activity:high
8/4     The new batmobile in action:
        http://www.aintitcool.com/downloads/batmobile.mov
        \_ If it's in quicktime, it ain't cool.
           \_ why?
              \_ Ignore him, he's still bitter about the one button mouse.
                 \_ I actually remember the first time I saw a computer
                    "crash."  I'd been using the Apple ][e for several years
                    and all of a sudden there arose a demented cult of
                    zombie-like users who claimed that their piece of shit
                    doorstops had godlike powers even though there was no
                    command line, no decent games, you couldn't program
                    it, and it crashed all the time.
                    \_ But dad, its not 1984 anymore!
                    \_ You never had to do Ctrl-Reset to get out of a hang on
                       your ][e!?
2004/8/4 [Uncategorized] UID:32683 Activity:high
8/4     Pam Anderson authrors a novel!
        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126303,00.html
        \- is she coming to cody's?
2004/8/4 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32684 Activity:high
8/4     I didn't erase the Kerry with two ears of corn URL.  But in the
        interest of being balanced, here's a jpeg of Bush:
        http://csua.org/u/8gd
        \_ How is helping the crown prince walk unusual?
           \_ If you're personal freinds with the dictator of one of the most
              evil regimes in the world and would sell out your country for
              a nickel?  nothing.
        Ok this is the weirdest picture of Kerry yet:
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1184727/posts?page=1,50
        \_ How is holding corn in Iowa unusual?
        \_ Erm.  How do you (or the freepers) figure?
2004/8/4 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32685 Activity:high
8/4     Dubya's Fighter jet vs Kerry's speed boat, who wins?
        \_ A Dubya who goes AWOL versus a Kerry who plays dead for a splinter?
           Tough choice.
           \_ I love how people with really poor critical thinking skills
              can trash a guy's volunteer service under fire because one
              of his wounds wasn't "serious" enough. Yeah, what an idiot
              he was for getting medical treatment. Fuck you.
              \_ Did Kerry release his medical records for public scrutiny?
                 How do you know it wasn't more than a pin prick?
                 \_ Try to have some perspective on the choice you are
                    facing. Do you need to know which one can jump higher
                    or is a better speller? Bush is incompetent, and you're
                    holding Kerry to much higher standards than you are the
                    boy king.
                    \_ Whether you think Bush is competent or not depends on
                       your set of special interests.  The same applies to
                       Kerry.
                 \_ One of his purple heart wounds required an
                    equivalent of neosporin.  They both volunteered, Bush
                     \_ Don't attack him for deciding to get treatment for a
                        wound that could get infected.  You could attack the
                        government for giving out Purple Hearts too easily, but
                        nevertheless he still has what, like 3?
                        \_ Didn't Kerry have to lobby to get authorization for
                           that purple heart?
                           \_ I've never heard that.  Do you have any
                              evidence?
                              \_ Apparently an error in my recollection.  Mea
                                 Culpa.  The purple heart did show up
                                 mysteriously though.  Here's a link:
                                 http://csua.org/u/8gm .
                    for National Kerry for Navy.  Both would have
                    been drafted.
2004/8/4 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:32686 Activity:nil
8/4     I've seen it claimed on the motd that Sandy Berger has been
        cleared and that Bush has military documents he can release but
        hasn't. I've asked for links substantiating both these claims,
        but have not receieved a single response.  Not even a blog link.
        Can I conclude that these are silly lies now?
        \_ Christ, just quit bitching and google.
           http://members.aol.com/forvets/htomr.htm
           \_ Oooookay... so I knew this.  But I thought the claim was
              that Bush's records of 72-73 were MISSING....
              \_ I believe the beef that AP has with the Bush records is that
                 he didn't grant them the rights to the records, he requested
                 his own copy and then forwarded them with the wax stamp
                 unsealed, so to speak.
        \_ I do not think Bush has released all possible military records
        \_ Dewd, there are a lot of unverified claims on soda, and some
           posts that debunk them and tell you exactly why.  Berger has been
           cleared of obstructing the 9/11 commission by 9/11 commission
           representatives; the Archives people are still deciding what to do
           about Berger violating Archives policy on notetaking and removing
           classified photocopies.
           http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/10235294p-11155782c.html
           \_ Thank you, I wasn't able to find that link.
        \_ Kerry has not released all of his military records.
           \_ Yeah, so what we have is:
              Bush claims he has released all relevant records.  It can perhaps
              never be verified that he did or did not.
              Kerry has said he has released all military records, but from
              press reports, reviews by superior officers were not made
              available (unclear why).
              \_ and medical records related to his medals.
2004/8/4 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:32687 Activity:nil
8/4     Ha, I guess vinyl lasts longer than CDs after all:
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3940669.stm
        \_ CD's were an obvious fucking rippoff from day one.  here's
           the real challenge: name *any* data storage medium of any kind
           that sucks more than CD for longevity.
           \_ floppy disks
              \_ floppy disks don't leak as much, so they're arguably better
                 for keeping your data securely stored.
                 \_ if you don't mind losing the argument.
              \_ cd's aren't ruined by magnets.
        \_ I'll bet that stone tablets last even longer.
        \_ Can we have a digital medium that is widely and easily accessible
           and has long life?  Yesterday MO thread shows that you can protect
           your data against a glancing nuclear attack but unable to read it
           because of a lack of a driver, or transfer all your archive from
           CD -> DVD -> blue ray every few years as technology advances?
2004/8/4 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:32688 Activity:nil
8/4     Did you know, Powell says Bush was correct to assume Iraq had WMDs:
        http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/7/21/231135.shtml
        (sorry, Powell didn't actually say Bush "did the right thing"
        - that's lame.  As described in Bush-blessed _Plan of Attack_ by Bob
        Woodward, Bush never asked Powell his opinion on whether or not the
        U.S. should go to war.)
2004/8/4 [Uncategorized] UID:32689 Activity:nil
8/4     \- you know i think it is reasonable to claim
           "you cant be serious" [NPI] about being a
           Kantian, but to claim that it is vague is
           silly. an entire approach to ethics is named
           after kant ... that's not my doing. it would
           be more not less obscure to have said i am
           a deontologist than to say kantian. --psb
           \_ Kant's contributions to ethics are immense.  So are
              Christian contributions, but hardly anyone would answer
              my question with "I am a Christian."  You can be a
              Kantian liberal, a Kantian conservative, or a Kantian
              anything in between.  Heck, I could be considered a
              Kantian, too.  Bringing up Kant in this context clarifies
              nothing other than the fact that you have read Kant.
              Good for you.  So have I. -- ilyas
              \_ A phrase like "I am a Catholic" would have more meaning
                 if more people who would claim to be really are.  The
                 teachings of the Church is treated more like recommended
                 guidelines or maybe merely ideas for consideration.  Many
                 Catholics I meet remind me so much of those apocryphal
                 vegetarians who eat chicken or fish.  It's not clear the
                 teachings of Kant has been diluted as much as the teachings
                 of the Church or of the Popes, so "I am a Kantian" probably
                 is more meaningful than "I am a Catholic", let alone "I am
                 a Christian."
                 \_ You can view 'teachings of Kant' as a distillation of
                    Christian teachings by a very intelligent man (Kant was
                    deeply religious).  (There is much more to Kant, of course).
                    I can tell by what little I know of Partha's life that
                    Partha is not a Christian, so certainly isn't a Kantian in
                    any sort of hardcore sense.  The Kantian label clarifies
                    nothing for me. -- ilyas
2004/8/4 [Uncategorized] UID:32690 Activity:nil
8/4     Partha speaks.  ~psb/MOTD/Dear_Dickless_Wonder  - !psb
2004/8/4-5 [Uncategorized] UID:32691 Activity:high 50%like:13478
8/4     Restore motd please. Was editing it and had wall on, somehow
        that destroyed it.
        \_ Dweeb.
        \_ Your foo is weak.
                \_ fu
        \_ You're fu is week.
        \_ *shakes head*.  --can't think of anything else to say
2004/8/4 [Uncategorized] UID:32692 Activity:nil 54%like:34280
8/4     [ don't delete threads out of chronological order, bitch. ]
2004/8/4-5 [Recreation/Sports] UID:32693 Activity:high
8/4     How is it that cal football is ranked #15?
        \_ 1, we beat USC. 2, people are sold on Tedford. 3, rogers is better
           than a decent QB
           \_ Cal also has the best WR in the conference (assuming Mike
              Williams doesn't return) and has lots of starters returning.
              \_ Williams reportedly was at a team camp today. I don't
                 know if the NCAA has issued a final ruling yet.
           \_ When was the last time we were ranked this high pre-season?
              \_ Probably not since the early 90's, after the Citrus Bowl
                 year.
                \_ I bet they weren't even ranked that high after the
                   Citrus Bowl year.  As I recall, they didn't do that well
                   that year either.
                   \_ We were ranked #9 at the end of the Citrus Bowl year,
                      but this year's ranking is the highest we've had at
                      the beginning of the year, in a long long time. -tom
                   \_ 4-7 in Gilbertson's first year.
        \_ I'm sorry, the correct answer was: Who gives a shit.
           \_ unless you're blind, it's apparent some ppl do give a shit.
2004/8/4-5 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:32694 Activity:very high
8/4     So I have a few questions.  Why is ilyas zilching the bottom part of
        motd.public, and with a script too it seems?  Is ilyas also the same
        guy who was nuking it for out-of-order deletions, or was that jblack?
        \_ Not with a script.  I am zilching it because someone deleted a thread
           I was (still) participating in, while leaving the threads below it
           be.  I ll stop if you give me a good reason why I should.  Or perhaps
           what I should do is whine to the politburo about how my posts are
           getting victimized, like someone suggested yesterday. -- ilyas
           \_ How very libertarian "I'm not getting my way so I'll throw a
              fit and mess with everyone else's posts" of you.  Go Ilyas!!
              \_ Indeed.  If you were me, what would you do?  Btw, please
                 sign your name, so we can try your approach on your posts.
                 I am not, btw, messing with everyone's posts.  I am merely
                 interpreting a deletion of a thread as a sign that the entire
                 section of the motd past that point has gotten stale and needs
                 garbage-collected.  -- ilyas
                 \_ So anyone replying to a thread should move it to the top
                    of the motd, to indicate its freshness?  When did this
                    start?
                    \_ No they shouldn't.  People who perform the legidimate
                    \_ No they shouldn't.  People who perform the legitimate
                       public service of cleaning up old threads tend to only
                       deal with the bottom that isn't getting modified anymore.
                       I have no beef with them.  You are putting words in
                       my mouth. -- ilyas
                 \_ If I were you, what would I do?  I'd try to figure out
                    why everyone thinks I'm a jackass.
                    \_ Well, if you think I am doing something wrong, at least
                       you know who to blame.  You seem to have no unkind words
                       for the anonymous jackasses who fuck up motd threads,
                       which I find interesting.  You wouldn't happen to be
                       one of them, would you? -- ilyas
           \_ Seems punitive, especially of parties who didn't participate
              in the thread (I assume it was the Partha-Kantian one).  I am
              not sure how fair it is to punish disinterested third-parties.
              \_ Yes it does seem punitive.  I don't think it's a good
                 reason for stopping though.  I don't know of another way to
                 'encourage' certain motd idiots to not delete stuff out of
                 order. -- ilyas
                 \_ Punishing the deleter seems fair.  The same logic that
                    would justify the punishment of others could lead to all
                    kinds of unpleasant applications.  I don't think the
                    inability to punish just the delete would justify the
                    punishment of all.
                    \_ Seems like we disagree, then.  I have no way of
                       punishing the deleters even if I knew who they all were.
                       You are right, if you take what I am doing to its logical
                       conclusion, the motd becomes extremely unpleasant.
                       That's sort of the point.  Don't delete non-stale
                       threads to avoid unpleasantness.  Or, to phrase it
                       another way "if you fuck up someone's posts, you are
                       really hurting the motd as a whole -- don't do it."
                         -- ilyas
                       \_ It's probably not difficult to figure out who
                          deleted your thread (repeated reinstatement, forcing
                          the deleter into a predictable behavior pattern), if
                          you wanted to.  Having done that, you could either
                          selectively punish that person by deleting his
                          subsequent posts, or you can at least hold his name
                          up to public scrutiny.
                          \_ I could, probably, if it's a single person.  (I
                             don't think it is). But
                             public scrutiny will not encourage anybody to
                             change their behavior (it's certainly not
                             encouraging me), and I have no desire to maintain
                             an error-prone script to try to determine who
                             posts what, and selectively delete a wrong person's
                             post.  I think my method works better.  It occurs
                             to me this argument is already occupying too much
                             space here, on the motd.  If you have something
                             constructive to add to address the problem of
                             selective deletions, just email me and I ll be
                             happy to discuss more.  To people deleting active
                             threads: please don't do it, you aren't helping
                             anyone. -- ilyas
                             \_ I hate the politics purgers as much or more
                                than you do.  getting pissed at them doesn't
                                help.  they love that.  here's what works:
                                purge a unix-related thread for every politics
                                thread they kill.  This is the only thing
                                these fuckers understand, and it works.
                                The typical politics purger is some dick who
                                wants the whole motd to be a little unix
                                nerd forum where we all talk about drivers
                                all day.
                   \_ One of you is guilty, all of you shall be held
                      responsible till the guilty one comes forward.
        \_ My apologies to jblack for impugning his honor, btw.
2004/8/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32695 Activity:very high
8/4     I wish Kerry would drop the Vietnam schtick, but the Dems
        keep at it.  So... watch the new TV ad.
        http://www.swiftvets.com
        \_ read http://mediamatters.org/items/200405050004 . thanks - danh
           \_ Most of the information on this site is from the evil,
              conservitive, FOX News!  I don't believe a word of it!
        \_ I highly suggest you look into the people
           behind this site.
           \_ I have.  What should I know, that they are Republicans?
              How is that relevant, Kerry is the issue not them.
              A more important question is have you looked into
              Kerry's post-war behavior?
              \_ They are Bush operatives.  John O'Neill also had plenty
                 of fine, baseless things to say against John McCain during
                 the 2000 primaries.
                 \_ Sorry but meeting with Madam Binh in Paris
                     while the war is still going on transcends
                    political divisions.  I'm willing to listen,
                    what assertions are apocryphal?
                 \_ Why can you not understand that the source of information
                    isn't relevent if the information is true?
              \_ More important is his at-war behavior.  His bullshit medals,
                 his war criminal quality activity, his viciousness and
                 callous disregard for his fellow man.  I'd rather have a
                 coked out drunk than a killer and a thug as President.
                 \_ you shouldn't buy into the two party system like that.
                    there's also the egomenaiacal shithead trial lawyer who
                    couldn't even get the endorsement of his own party.
                 \_ With Bush, you get both.
                    \_ Snarky but stupid.
2004/8/4-5 [Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:32696 Activity:very high
8/4     I have a Solaris UFS (USPARC, not x86) formatted drive.
        Can I access this safely with a 2.4.xx Linux kernel through
        USB (going to put UFS ide drive into an IDE-USB convertor.
        Read somewhere that this might not be possible.
        \_ ro sort of works, provided you turn off logging under
           solaris.
           \_ What does solaris logging have to do with accessing it
              under Linux? If I had logging turned on under Solaris
              then if I transfer the drive over to Linux it won't work?
              Sorry, this is somewhat confusing to me. Can you elaborate?
              I also only need RO access because I'm going to wipe the
              drive and dump it after (it's only a 4 gig drive). As
              I understand it, there's some problems with endianess
              but I would think a proper UFS driver under linux would
              take care of that.
           \_ this is obviously because bill gates has hidden away the
              inner workings of his OS and is evil!
              \_Huh? -OP
                \_ See how you are?
2004/8/4-5 [Computer/SW/OS/OsX, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32697 Activity:nil
8/4     Two hotbutton topics for the price of one!
        Picture of John Kerry using a macintosh:
        http://i.timeinc.net/time/covers/1101040719/teamup/images/03.jpg
        \_ http://www.theapplecollection.com/various/Celebrity/GBush.html
        \_ Mamby pamby liburls and they're macintushes!
2004/8/4-5 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:32698 Activity:insanely high
8/4     With both kais and mehlhaff's archive out of action (why?), can someone
        please point to another public access archive?  Sometimes motd even
        contain useful information, like the script posted early here that I
        did not save.  (I also cannot run it for the lack of disk space.)
        \_ my motd archiver is back online. IT requires manual restarting when
           soda reboots.  Not a problem when soda is stable... -ERic (mehlhaff)
        \_ kchang seems like a smart guy who does stupid and annoying
           things, why didn't he run a script on soda that diff'd the motd
           then transferered the diff bits back to him at ucla?
           fingering 60 times a minute seems like a very inelegant
           non kchang perl hack solution.
        \_ How the hell could finger be considered a DoS attack?!  Was this
           just done for personal vendetta reasons against him?
          \_ back when the net was young and the hills were green,
             system administrators logged tcp connections like rlogin
             and finger and who and stat and ftp.  now no one cares anymore,
             all the traffic is http, but the EECS admins probably
             have the same logging scripts in place from the early 90s.
             i remember some soda dude who went off to stanford would
             finger the account of his ex-gf on soda like once every
             5 minutes, for hours, at random times, all day every day.
             it stuck out in the logs because it was always the same
             domain name, to the same account, all the time.  i emailed
             the victim and she probably emailed the dude and he stopped.
             i can see how the EECS admins would notice kchang fingering
             the motd every 10 seconds.
           \_ The above seems to refer to kais' statement.  So is kchang
              squished again because he runs a world accessible motd archive?
              \_ no
              \_ Considering the amount of censoring he does on the entries
                 before they are categorized and posted, I find it less than
                 useful as an "archive."
           \_ He was fingering Soda through EECS more than once a second.
              It filled up the EECS network logs and made them unhappy.
              Read the last meeting minues and following discussing on the
              newsgroup.
              \_ can't they just ask him to finger less?
                 \_ they could but kchang is unpopular enough that no one
                    at the csua would suggest the obvious common sense
                    solution.  if everyone lost an account on the first
                    strike, then we all would've been squished by now.
                    kchang is special.  it was an unpopularity squishing
                    like all of them.
                    \_ "all of them"...  I think you know naught of what
                       you speak.  Longstanding CSUA (perhaps unwritten)
                       policy is "if you get your account back, don't
                       fuck it up." That said, I can't speak to why they
                       actually squished kchang, but comparing a second
                       squish to a first is apples to oranges. --scotsman
                       \_ if it isn't written, it isn't policy.  if you want
                          a policy that says a second squishing has a lower
                          standard than the first or that post-restoration
                          from a first squishing a person is on probation
                          of some sort, then write the policy and publish
                          it.  otherwise, yes, it is apples to apples.  orgs
                          are properly run by written policy, not whim.
                    \_ ok, I checked the newsgroup.  from the discussion,
                       it seems that they were not about to squish him,
                       and even made fun of tom when he tried to chime
                       in and get kchang squished.  so what changed their
                       minds in the end?
                       \_ "they" != politburo
                   \_ warned, deactivated in 98.  reactivated and warned
                      to behave.  deactivated again.
             \_ it also caused problems for EECS because soda makes ident
                requests to remote systems that access soda's finger server.
                imagine the EECS webserver getting pummeled by multiple
                identd requests every second.
        \_ Here, now you can run your own private script.  Don't forget to
           mkdir /csua/tmp/username.  The next thing that can be done to this
           is to prevent check-ins if the motd is about like 100 KB (someone
           puts binary junk in it):
           #!/bin/sh

           cd /csua/tmp/$USER

           while [ 1 ]
           do
               co -q -f -l motd
               cp /etc/motd.public motd
               ci -q -m_ motd
               sleep 120
           done
           \_ Or make it check the output of `file /etc/motd.public` ro make
              sure it says ASCII.
           \_ BAD IDEA. If everyone on Soda did this, the space would fill
              up in no time.
        \_ I run my own motd archive.  I once posted the path to it.  Check
           the archives.
           \_ Thanks for recursing.
2004/8/4-5 [Uncategorized] UID:32699 Activity:nil
8/4     Ilyas, here's an interesting macaque for you.
        http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/07/22/monkey.walking.ap
2004/8/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:32700 Activity:nil
8/4     http://barlow.typepad.com/barlowfriendz/2004/07/dancing_in_the_.html
        Come dance with John Perry Barlow in Manhattan
2017/09/20 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
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