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| 2004/8/3 [Uncategorized] UID:32649 Activity:very high |
8/3 Where the hick do you post these days to find some student programmers?
Career center's no help. Maybe I should just post flyers around Soda
Hall?
\_ Wouldn't the UCB career center be good for throwing students your
way?
\_ When has the UCB career center been good for ANYTHING? --chris
\_ Maybe hook up with the engineering dept? They used to hold job
fairs for undergrad students. --chris
\_ ucb.cs.jobs? That will filter out people who think WWW is the only
thing on the internet.
\_ Is jobs a new top-level domain? It doesn't work when I type
that URL into IE. |
| 2004/8/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:32650 Activity:very high |
8/3 Teresa Heinz is too much of a bitch
\_ Apparently you missed out on Nancy Reagan.
\_ A rich Republican one from South Africa no less. Nancy Reagan
was actually liked. Kerry's okay, but if he can get along with
that bitchy Republican wife then you have to wonder how strong
his principles are. She's not that hot either.
\_ sugar mommy
\_ As they say about porn stars: its all about the money, honey.
And just because Nancy was "liked" doesn't mean she wasn't
a crazy beeyotch. Have you ever seen the clips of the "Just
Say No" speech?
\_ Do you seriously think that Laura Bush is hotter?
\_ No, Nancy Reagan was an EVIL BITCH. Teresa Heinz is a bitch on
the side of GOOD, that is, if she were a man, she stands for
something, and won't take your stupid crap. Now, if you imagine
Dubya as female, Georgina Bush would just be a stupid, drunk bitch.
\_ your republican talking point email wasn't that
funny today
\_ I like Teresa Heinz very much. She speaks frankly and doesn't
pretend to be someone other than herself, unlike most American
politicians who wears many masks.
\_ I agree, she's not pretending to be insane, she really is!
\_ kind of like bush being dumb?
\_ why do you think she is insane?
\_ All Demoncraps are insane, by definition.
\_ Demoncraps? I bow to your debate skills.
\_ you prefer a stepford wife like laura bush, with her fake smile?
\_ How about someone who is not a Republican senator's wife who
got all of her money from an evil corporation?
\_ What's evil about condiments?
\_ Its not like she's from DeBeers.
\_ Ignorant slut! Don't you know the cruel exploitative history
of Heinz ketchup? The tomato slave gangs, the Mexican
"ketchup coup" in 1971 (covered up by the liberal media of
course), those frustrating glass bottles... and Heinz was
a Nazi. And later a communist.
\_ At least he wasn't a commie-nazi -McBain
\_ My brother roomed with Chris Heinz freshman year college.
Privileged information says she's not all that bright and definitely
not a nice person.
\_ What about Hillary? |
| 2004/8/3 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:32651 Activity:high 76%like:32656 |
8/3 Orange alert info pre-dates 9/11
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/03/politics/03intel.html
http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=US&cat=Terrorism
officials "reported that they had not yet found concrete evidence that
a terror plot or preparatory surveillance operations were still under
way."
\_ Okay. What should we conclude from that?
\_ That the orange alert is politically timed?
\_ That the timing is, again, dubious. Old information trotted
out after a major event for the other side.
\_ It's not old information. The files were updated *this* year.
Furthermore, 9/11 was planned for years. So it's NEW
information to us, and the fact that some was originally
planned years ago doesn't simply mean that it might be
outdated, but that it might be close to fruition.
\_ Be nice to the op. I don't think he's very good at
reading comprehension.
\_ No such thing as facts, only an interpretation of the
facts, huh? Its pretty funny to watch the freepers try
to defend the credibility of Tom Ridge as it approaches
singularity.
\_ What are you talking about? The NYT article
makes it pretty clear what was going on. Just
because the info is a few years old, doesn't
mean it's out-of-date.
\_ No, but it's not news. The announcement is for
areas that are already in an elevated state of
alert. This was yet another "we're still doing
stuff" announcement. Also, by virtue of predating
9/11, any surveillence from then would be more
or less useless because we've changed and improved
the security measures... right?
\_ Hilarious. Every major news outlet is carrying this story in one
form or another...except for Fox News. Their headline is "lady
liberty reopens to public." The story doesn't seem to appear
anywhere on their site.
\_ So there really *is* a news bias?
\_ Informed. Powerful. Huge Penis.
\_ could someone please explain the HUGE, TAX FREE PENIS thing?
what is that a reference to?
\_ In re: Ann Coulter it's a reference to the fact that some
motder(s?) like her and the only plausible reason for
liking a woman who admires Joe McCarthy is that they want
to have sex with a reasonably hot arch-conservative, so
the retort is "Oh! Your penis is so BIG and TAX FREE!".
\_ So you're saying this originated on the motd?
\_ Nice straw man. |
| 2004/8/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:32652 Activity:high |
8/3 What's up with the frenzy of freeper links lately?
\_ Desperation.
\_ Does that explain the anti-Bush links too?
\_ At least the anti-Bush links are on the right side.
\_ No, they're on the left-side.
\_ I must have missed them. Where are the "freeper" machines? |
| 2004/8/3 [Uncategorized] UID:32653 Activity:nil 66%like:32657 |
8/2 THE MEN BEHIND EDWARDS
http://www.overlawyered.com/archives/001388.html
and why are jobs going overseas? |
| 2004/8/3 [Uncategorized] UID:32654 Activity:nil |
8/3 Origin of the "Why Do You Hate America?" meme?
http://salon.com/comics/tomo/2002/04/01/tomo/index.html |
| 2004/8/3 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:32655 Activity:high |
8/3 Solaris question. How come after catting .cshrc, the atime
doesn't change? Something in NFS? I dont see any obvious
NFS option to control this. The file is on a netapp.
\_ is noatime set? it's an NFS option that prevents that.
\_ It doesnt appear to be set in the automouter map.
Can it be set on the netapp itself?
\_ Yes, there is a per volume option called no_atime_update
that can be set on the filer itself. This is mainly for
people who are really pounding the volume who could use
the extra performance boost of not updating for each access
of a file. -rollee |
| 2004/8/3 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:32656 Activity:nil 76%like:32651 |
8/3 Orange alert info pre-dates 9/11
http://csua.org/u/8fl
officials "reported that they had not yet found concrete evidence that
a terror plot or preparatory surveillance operations were still under
way."
\_ Okay. What should we conclude from that?
\_ That the orange alert is politically timed?
\_ That the timing is, again, dubious. Old information trotted
out after a major event for the other side.
\_ It's not old information. The files were updated *this* year.
Furthermore, 9/11 was planned for years. So it's NEW
information to us, and the fact that some was originally
planned years ago doesn't simply mean that it might be
outdated, but that it might be close to fruition.
\_ Updated in January. Six months ago. Hello, how is that
news? Are you saying that after all of the intel reforms,
it still takes 6 months to decipher intel?
\_ Be nice to the op. I don't think he's very good at
reading comprehension.
\_ No such thing as facts, only an interpretation of the
facts, huh? Its pretty funny to watch the freepers try
to defend the credibility of Tom Ridge as it approaches
singularity.
\_ What are you talking about? The NYT article
makes it pretty clear what was going on. Just
because the info is a few years old, doesn't
mean it's out-of-date.
\_ No, but it's not news. The announcement is for
areas that are already in an elevated state of
alert. This was yet another "we're still doing
stuff" announcement. Also, by virtue of predating
9/11, any surveillence from then would be more
or less useless because we've changed and improved
the security measures... right?
\_ Hilarious. Every major news outlet is carrying this story in one
form or another...except for Fox News. Their headline is "lady
liberty reopens to public." The story doesn't seem to appear
anywhere on their site.
\_ So there really *is* a news bias?
\_ Informed. Powerful. Huge Penis.
\_ could someone please explain the HUGE, TAX FREE PENIS thing?
what is that a reference to?
\_ In re: Ann Coulter it's a reference to the fact that some
motder(s?) like her and the only plausible reason for
liking a woman who admires Joe McCarthy is that they want
to have sex with a reasonably hot arch-conservative, so
the retort is "Oh! Your penis is so BIG and TAX FREE!".
\_ So you're saying this originated on the motd?
\_ Yeah, I am pretty sure it did.
\_ Nice straw man.
\_ I don't think this means what you think it does.
Use a dictionary. |
| 2004/8/3 [Uncategorized] UID:32657 Activity:high 66%like:32653 |
8/2 THE MEN BEHIND EDWARDS
http://csua.org/u/8fm
and why are jobs going overseas?
\_ Dude, this is the motd, not AOL. |
| 2004/8/3 [Health/Eyes] UID:32658 Activity:nil |
8/3 Anybody noticed Steve Jobs' glasses? He wears the rimless kind with
round lenses. I'm in love with those glasses and I've been trying
to find them. There are plenty of rimless frames out there but
I haven't been able to find one that has ROUND lenses just like
Steve's. If you know of one, please let me know. Thanks.
-steve jobs #1 fan |
| 2004/8/3 [Uncategorized] UID:32659 Activity:nil |
8/3 why did it take so long for heinz to start using squirtable plastic
ketchup bottles as opposed to the old glass bottles?
\_ Ketchup = republican , mustard = Democrat
\_ She's more used to rigid things and she jerks better than she
squeezes.
\_ The narrow glass bottles were a gimmick to convince people that
ketchup was thicker than other brands. A plastic squeeze bottle
would defeat that. |
| 2004/8/3 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:32660 Activity:nil |
8/3 I bured a backup for a music CD about 3-4 years ago on an imation
CD-R. Now the backup has lost 2 tracks and the rest is filled with
noise, while the original is still fine. How come CD-R has such short
lifespan? I always kept it in shaded and cool place. Now, what media
should I used to keep backup of my data? |
| 2004/8/3 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:32661 Activity:nil |
8/3 "IBM to Build Supercomputer for U.S. Army"
http://www.csua.org/u/8fn (Yahoo! News)
1186 machines, ~2300 processors, runs Linux.
\_ There's one contract for AMD Opterons, there's another contract
for Intel Nocona (64-bit Prescott) processors. Goddamn, the Intel
cluster is going to burn up the building when all the CPUs hit 100%. |
| 2004/8/3 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:32662 Activity:very high |
8/3 Doom 3 is fun and pretty, but Half Life 1 and System Shock 2 both
had more "wow". Doom 3 feels like a console port, what with the
blocky levels, blocky human models, weak weapons, and other
intangibles. Although it has its weaknesses (especially with
stocking enemies in illogical places for scripted ambushes -- you
always need to turn your back since they'll just create a monster
somewhere without opening a secret door or drawing a teleport
effect), Doom 3 is ultimately a game you will want to play and come
back to for the next level. Despite its negative points, go buy it
now now now.
(Side note: They had the level designer for Doom 1 come back as
lead level designer for Doom 3 -- it definitely shows. You'll know
what I mean when you play, and not in a good way.)
\_ Is it true there's a code to load the old version of Doom?
\_ What quality setting were you using? Supposeadly the models look a
lot smoother if you don't compress the normal maps.
\_ High. When I say blocky models, all the characters are football
players who fill up most of the corridor, even the scientists.
I also forgot that this will be an X-Box supported game. And
it totally shows (everything I've written). Yet, it's still fun.
\_ Don't you find it really dark? I could hardly see anything. The
only reason it was playable on my computer (AthlonXP 2500+, 9800)
was that most of the time the gpu was sticking black pixels on
the screen.
\_ I set my gamma at about 40% (80% was too much) and played in
the dark, and that's fine. As for frame rate, 1024x768 on
my Athlon 64 3200+ with Radeon 9600 XT is fine on High; my
younger brother has a Pentium 4 2.26 with 9600, and he's fine
on High as well. What's really, really annoying is the
stuttering when a door opens and the new textures for that guy
who's about to waste you need to load -- try this:
http://csua.org/u/8fq
\_ Another point, Doom 3 feels like it is targeted at 13-year-olds,
whereas the two other games I mentioned and most good RPGs
feel like they are targeted at 16-year-olds. -op
\_ Good RPGs are targeted for mature teenagers and old people.
Youngins these days think diablo is an rpg. *sigh*. -- ilyas
Consider the average age of people posting on the wizardry 8
forums. Youngins these days think diablo is an rpg. *sigh*.
-- ilyas |
| 2004/8/3-4 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:32663 Activity:high |
8/3 How are you folks with NetApps backing them up? Dump? NFS? NDMP?
Which software? Legato, Veritas, something else? Would you buy the
same software again? I use Legato and I'm less than thrilled.
\_ NetBackup (which uses NDMP) works pretty well if you can dedicate
a drive just to it. That is, if you have a library with 4 drives,
1 drive must be dedicated to NDMP clients
\_ Buy 2, mirror. Put a third off site. Mirror. |
| 2004/8/3 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:32664 Activity:nil |
8/3 To the guy who claimed Bush can release some gaurd duty records by
signing something, do you have a reputable link for that? It's
the first I've heard of it. |
| 2004/8/3 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32665 Activity:very high |
8/3 Oh wow, a politics purge. You're an asshole.
\_ I second that.
\_ The politics on the motd are something like 95% noise 5% signal.
Everytime someone tries to point out the truth (at any place in the
political spectrum) he's drowned out by inanity. It's truly sad,
IMO. But as a result, I'm not crying when the political threads get
nuked. -emarkp
\_ aren't you the guy who deletes swearing? don't you have
a couple of kids you should be teaching how to sharpen
an ax instead?
\_ 1) fuck you.
2) I know you're responsible for some of the purges.
\_ I won't ask you how you "know" -- I see far more claims about
people knowing than are likely true. Yes, I've done my fair
share of purging, typically when the garbage ratio goes too
high, when factual responses get repeatedly deleted, or the
thread gets partially deleted. And? -emarkp
\_ I don't think it's reasonable for you to appoint yourself
the arbiter of motd political-thread 'accepatbility'.
It's often interesting and informative to see what people
are thinking or saying about current politics. If a thread
offends you don't read it: motd doesn't need a self
appointed nanny to cleanse threads based on obscure
and subjective metrics -- especially if they don't take
activity into account.
\_ don't fuck with him. he has root power and can nuke
a lot more than just motd. he could make a lot of
"accident" happen to your account. be wise.
\_ On a world writable forum, we're all nannies. I'm not
appointing myself "THE" anything. When I purge, I try
to purge obvious noise or the whole thread, not simply
points with which I disagree--unlike other people.
-emarkp
\_ there are exactly two types of purges that don't
make you a fucking asshole:
1) purging old stuff, as in more than two days old
2) purging stuff that has been messed up in some
way, like when some tool uses a script to
reverse all the words.
\_ So you're appointing yourself as the nanny now?
-emarkp
\_ Don't get all huffy, dude -- just stop
censoring the motd.
\_ from /csua/adm/doc/policies/motd
Destruction of the MOTD (by repeated
deletion, jive, or any other method) is
severly frowned upon and will result in the
termination of your account.
i'd argue that 1) doesn't count as destruction.
as for 2) its a grey area as messed up text is
sometimes still readable. i would count selective
purging based on what one considers "noise" to
be destruction under the above policy. -erikk
\_ Gee, I wonder where the policy police is
when people repeatedly fuck up my posts
(Delete a few lines, change some things,
sign my name to things I didn't write, etc.)
This entire thread is bullshit. Apply
'The Policy' uniformly, or don't bring it
up at all. -- ilyas
\_ Ilyas, 'The Policy' can't en enforced
in your favor if you just sit back in
silence and allow yourself to be
violated. And no, one line quips
probably aren't enough to make it clear
you're being victimized. If you're not
going to stand up for your rights, then
I have a hard time understanding your
tone here.
\_ Last time some mental giant decided
to sign my name to some shit I didn't
write, I made a post about it to the
motd, which got promptly ignored and
soon deleted. People regularly edit
and delete my posts, it's pretty
clear if you have been paying
attention. I guess next time it
happens I ll just snitch to the
politburo... *sigh*
It's clear to me people have a huge
double standard for 'The Policy.'
When some people do stuff, it's
harmless fun and pranks, when others
do it, it's Censorship with a capital
C. These days, my policy is, if I
see someone fuck up (which is different
from an overwrite) what I wrote,
I nuke the thread. As far as I am
concerned, the conversation is then
over. If that's a violation of
'The Policy' take it up with people
who fucked up the thread first.
-- ilyas
\_ I do pay attention, and you're
not the only victim by a long
shot. So why do you sign your
name? why does anyone sign their
name? I still don't see the
advantage, and I see many
disadvantages.
\_ I don't always sign my name.
When I do, it's because I want
to own what I say. The
proper response to a macaque
having fun at someone else's
expense is to not stop
signing like a coward, but to
make sure the macaque
understands its fun will soon
end if it does it (i.e the
thread will get nuked).
-- ilyas
\_ I still don't see the point.
How exactly do you "own"
your posts? who cares?
you know you posted them,
and i'll read them
regardless, so who cares?
I think a lot of the
funniest, most interesting
stuff is by anon. posters,
and some of the most
useless drivel is by the
name-signers (I'm not
talking about you here.)
\_ So this is some sort of vague threat? Or is
it just a lesson that those who nuke threads
should remain anonymous? Seriously.
-emarkp
3) fuck you.
4) some of us get a lot out of those discussions that you
identify as "noise."
\_ So identify "us". I've seen the same rabid partisan
back-and-forth for years now. I have learned a few things,
but the biggest thing I've learned is that most people
aren't listening to each other, nor do they care about the
truth. Most people on the motd are partisan nutjobs.
-emarkp
\_ I guess you missed the poll a couple weeks back of how
long people have spent doing background research relating
to a motd discussion. One guy spent a month researching
WMD claims 20 hours a week. I spent two weeks
researching the 2000 election debacle because of a motd
discussion, and ended up reading the supreme court
decision and actually changing my opinion on the issue.
I'm afraid it is you who are the partisan nutjob
if you're incapable of seeing that people are getting
something real out of these discussions, in spite of
all the flameing.
\_ Just out of curiousity, what's your current
opinion of the 2000 election?
\_ That it was a total clusterfuck, and that neither
side really cheated. I had previously bought
the democratic party line that the republicans
had "stolen" the election, but became convinced
that the things that were broken in florida
were just good ol' fashioned bipartisan idiocy.
I was also amazed at how much other idiocy there
was outside of florida that no one cared about
because it didn't come down to so few votes.
There was one county in South Carolina where the
official tally had one vote for Gore, one for Bush,
and several thousand for Nader and Buchannan.
and several hundred for Nader and Buchannan.
\_ What? Are you serious? How did that
happen? (about the county in SC)
\_ well, I got it from this paper:
http://elections.fas.harvard.edu/pc01/node5.html
But for details, you'd have to look up
the reference from there.
That paper is *really* worth reading,
by the way, if you want the whole story
about the "butterfly ballot."
5) did i mention fuck you?
\_ You know he's responsible for some of the purges, huh?
Why, because he's got the guts to sign his name and you
don't? Oooo.. that's ome pretty hard evidence. -jrleek
\_ Look, the Mormons are banding together! You know what,
sometimes the trolls annoy me too but I don't want your
self-appointed cleansing going on with active discussions.
If other people are using the motd then you're just a
stupid dick to wipe it all out. But hey I'll be a dick
too: I only care to see that Doom 3 thread.
\_ Yeah, that's mature. You're really swaying my opinion
with your masterful argument. -emarkp
\_ I'm not the "fuck you" guy by the way but I agree.
Re: your "truth", do you have the truth? I think
not. That's the point of discussion.
\_ Again, why do you keep claiming I, or he, have
wiped anything? I've personally never deleted
anyone else's stuff from the motd on purpose.
Hello? Any proof, at all? No? Bye troll, I'm
done. -jrleek
\_ emarkp admits it a few posts up.
\_ Whoops, didn't see that. I stand corrected.
-jrleek
\_ What does my being Mormon have to do with anything?
Besides, if you want to criticize our connections,
complain that he's my brother-in-law, not just that both
of us are Mormons. -emarkp
\_ We already know you guys are all related.
\_ Aren't all mormons in-laws of each other?
\_ Hope you didn't pay much for that bait. I
don't think you're gonna catch any billy-goats.
\_ Those who don't participate don't care.
In any case, it's not so hard to nuke the political threads
at the end of the day when everyone's gone home and eating
dinner instead of in the middle when people are loafing. |
| 2004/8/3-10/27 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:32666 Activity:nil |
8/3 Soda crashed again. It appears to be a kernel bug and we may take soda
down to patch the kernel. |
| 2004/8/3-4 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:32667 Activity:high |
8/3 Does anyone have tried using MO drives (like Fujitsu) for backup/
archive? Is it worthwhile?
\_ Do they hold a lot more data than DVDs? Otherwise, what's
the point?
\_ No, infact MO holds much less than DVDs. They might
have 4gb ones now, but nothing close to the 8gb and
its not like you can afford the 4gb disks in any
large quantity (as compared to DVDs, which are about
$1 for 4x rated media).
\_ What's an MO drive?
\_ Magneto-optical; the first removable-disk technology (predates
Zip). I don't think they're large enough to be worth using for
backup. 2.3 GB? Way too expensive for that kind of capacity.
-tom
\_ I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.
\_ Yes MO is expensive, but they "supposedly" have good
archival characteristics. I am wondering if it is a
good way to archive important data like thesis, paper,
photograph etc, or things that you want to be able to retrieve
a few years from now and are not that huge. -- op
\_ Do you know a drive that can read one of the original
44MB cartridges? That was less than 10 years ago. -tom
\_ I am not aware of 44MB, but supposedly the 3.5 ones
should be able to read back upto 128MB, because it is
an ISO standard.
\_ Well, do what you want, but in my opinion, if you're
looking for data archival, you don't want to be
using a technology that few others are using.
Especially if it's expensive. -tom
\_ If you don't mind that MO drives are slow, MO disks are low
capacity (in comparision with a DVD) and expensive and that
most of the drives are still scsi based, MO is great. Sure,
your data will survive the next ice age, a emp and a glancing
blow by a nuclear weapon. If your pr0n collection is that
important, consider MO. If, on the other hand your data isn't
that important, stick to the cheap soln., DVDs. BTW, MO is big
in Japan (just thought you should know).
\_ How is DVD's archival quality? BTW, Fujitsu makes MO with
firewire or usb 2.
\_ Yes they do, but most of the good drives are still
scsi. The fw or usb2 drives are usually the crappy
ide version of the drive with a low cost fw/usb2 to
ide bridge chip. You've got to ask yourself why you
would pay top dollar for MO only to get stuck with
cut rate bridge chip.
For the vast majority of stuff DVD works well enough.
Get the make in Japan stuff (~ $1 per 4x rated disk)
Get the made in Japan stuff (~ $1 per 4x rated disk)
and make sure that you keep each disk in a separate
case and out of the sunlight and you should be good
till blueray comes out (2-3 yrs), at which time you
will want to ditch your crusty DVDs for blueray disks.
\_ I have a MO library right now. I used them back in 1995 as
well. There is no redeeming quality. Back then it was cool to
be able to store 2 GB on a rewriteable medium, but there is no
advantage now. I can't wait to throw my library away. What kind
of idiot would go back to early 90s technology now?
\- if you are talking about this technology:
http://www.pinnaclemicro.com/optical_index.htm
it is a serious pain in the ass to use. some genius
decided to use this on a DAQ setup and it lead to countless
problems. media integrity is useless if there is no device
to read it ... especially when the drivers have to be
licensed as well. if you want reliability, go with redunancy.
that also protects against fire/theft/earthquake/mudslide
scenarios. --psb
\_ One other point no one has mentioned is this: how many people
\_ The point has been made above multiple times.
do you know with a MO drive? WTH are you going to do with your
disks if your drive goes bad? At least with DVDs you can go
to fry's buy a new dvd-rom (or burner given the recent price
drops) and get all your data back. |
| 2004/8/3-4 [Science/Space] UID:32668 Activity:very high |
8/3 I can't tread water. I was at a party a few days ago and another guy
there was talking about how he couldn't tread water either. Another
person overhears him and mentions that she can't tread water either.
Is this a very common problem? And why can't some people tread water?
Is it just a matter of technique, or are people like us just too
dense to float?
\_ it's a skill that can be learned. I'm not very buff, and am not
overwieght, and can tread water without much energy expended
because of swim lessons and practice. find someone who
knows how, and get them to show you, then practice.
it could save your life, so it's worth it.
\_You just need to work out a LOT more. Treading water is very
energy intensive and requires strong legs with very good stamina.
Why do you think water-polo players are so fit?
\_ I have seen others who make it look effortless. Like the opening
scene in Jaws, the woman doesn't even look like she's trying.
\_ Yes, and Tiger Woods makes driving a ball a couple hundred
yards towards a small green effortless. It doesn't mean
he just picked up golf yesterday...
\_ I was trying to dispute the "energy-intensive" point and
not so much the skill aspect. The woman in Jaws does not
appear to be expending much energy at all.
\_ ahh yes.... movies...
\_ that's right, because back in 1975, it was worthwhile
and cost-effective to make a shot of a woman swimming
in the ocean an FX sequence
\_ ocean == saltwater == easier anyway
\_ When you say treading water, do mean just using your legs to
stay afloat, or is using your arms ok too? With arms it's
pretty easy, with just legs, it's pretty hard.
\_ What do you mean by treading water? Walking in the pool or bathtub?
Or the Jews walking through the red sea?
\_ Imbecile. Obviously he means walking on water, like Jesus.
If you followed the thread, you would have read that none of
his co-workers could do it, but water polo players can do it
because they're *very fit*.
\_ you don't read so good, do you? water polo players can
walk on water because they're jewish.
\_ You're right. I re-read the thread and it's clear that
what you wrote is 100% accurate.
\_ re density: can you float on your back? shouldn't take any energy
to keep mouth and nose out of water in calm water; may take a little
effort if there is chop/waves washing over your face.
i agree with first reply; i swam competetively as a youngster
and am at ease in water... treading water is easy and i could do it
for hours in a pool. it's a little harder while holding a beer in
one hand and keeping the chlorine out of it.
oh, also: control your breathing. shallow breathing with lungs
full of air is a lot more bouyant than deep exhalations. if i exhale
forcefully i can sink to the bottom, but it counters years of
swimming instinct.
\_ Not OP, but I can't float on my back, and I've tried in a pool
and open water. I even had my gf at the time try to keep me up,
but I simply kept sinking. Not sure why. |
| 2004/8/3-4 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:32669 Activity:nil |
8/3 How hard is it to install extra RAM in an ibook laptop- special tools
required, etc? I've never opened a laptop but plenty of desktops.
\_ Yes, you need the right sized screwdriver to unscrew the screw
from the panel that covers the socket to insert the RAM. It takes
years and years and years of training to be able to find the
right Phillips head screwdriver to insert into that particular
screw and apply torque counter-clockwise in order to remove it.
\_ I've heard re: the iBook specifically that you need to remove
the keyboard, the airport card, and then a final cover. True?
Difficult? It's for a friend and I don't want to get blamed.
\_ the first two just pop out.
\_ simple.
\_ 10-20 min job. You need a #10 jewellers screwdrivers iirc. See
here for pdfs with pictures on how to do it:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=26277 |
| 2004/8/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:32670 Activity:very high |
8/3 Kerry FlipFlops on technology.
http://news.com.com/2010-1028-5291476.html -fifth columnist
\_ We've turned the corner!
\_ What's next week's talking point?
\_ You need to go look at some of the posts out there on the
web from people who have been victims of Declan's idiocy.
He fudges facts and loves to attack basically anyone. He
has all the idiocy of a mainstream journalist, but with the
mean streak of a motd flame warrior. Here's a start:
http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/001617.shtml
\_ At least you've never had to work with the guy.
\_ please elaborate. you worked with him?
\- kerry flipflops on SCIENCE:
http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=17231
Bush knows the answer: Jesus is the Light. --psb
\_ Partha, what are your politics?
\- Personally, heavily Kantian. Publically, a mix of
Kantian and Utilitarian which is too involved to be
summarized here. I believe Bush should be defeated
not so much because of future policy directions but
because he is a liar of low character who surrounds
himself with even sleazier people than he is. --psb
\_ You need to talk more about rights for me to place your
politics, Partha. You can be a Kantian anything. -- ilyas
\- i will if you send me a paypal payment of $5.
or you can send me a sufficiently interesting
multiple choice exam. --psb
\_ Meh. I don't care enough. You don't either. -- ilyas
\_ Meh. I don't care enough. You don't either.
Although you know, to an outside observer it DOES
look like you just threw a dead philosopher label.
A label which doesn't really discriminate anything.
-- ilyas
\_ You're in a desert, walking along in the sand when
suddenly you look down and see a tortoise. It's
crawling toward you. You reach down and you flip
the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays
on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun,
beating its legs trying to turn itself over but it
can't. Not without your help. But you're not
helping. Why is that?
\_ Thats interesting. I dont know. Im a republican?
\_ Sigh.
\_ Double-sigh to you. That was Tom Ammiano's
response when The Wave tested SF Mayoral
candidates.
\_ All very nice but all your wall/motd statements make you
look like any other soda leftist. Nothing special going
on there. Perhaps you think Kerry has surrounded himself
with people of good will and strong hearts? Whatever.
\_ Oh no. I've been reading his stuff for years now and psb
is interesting because his mind does change. He spent
quite awhile being hawkish online a year or so ago. I'd
guess tom is the motd liberal you are looking
for, though brain is the one I'd really like to hear
more from. There are too few advocates of pure evil on
the motd. -- ulysses
\- writing currente calamo ...
1. years ago during George I's First Gulf War, for
the same piece of commetary, i was simultaneously
accused of "writing for the baghdad daily" and
for writing for the jerusalem post. so i knew i
was doing something right.
\_ Years ago? What have you done for me lately?
2. since you are writing anonymously, there is nothing
in it for me to prove you wrong on my leftist
leanings. i'm certainly on the record as "flipflop-
ping" on George II's Gulf War II, but as John Maynard
Keynes said " "When the facts change, I change my
mind - what do you do, sir?".
\_ My anonymity has *nothing* to do with your
postings. This is a weak cop out. You're here
on the motd and most people post anonymously.
If that was such a problem for you, you should
have just ignored me entirely instead of writing
a numbered 5 point rant.
3. sure kerry is ambitious. sure he was a member of
skull and bones. nevertheless he's someone who
took trouble to get himself into the lines of
fire. bush probably has the most honorable service
record of his coerteie of chickenhawks ... which
says something. you wont hear me saying anything
uncivil of john mccain. i suppose at a certain level
you have to respect BUSHCO for even getting a
sup ct justice in their crony cabal. maybe some of
kerry's advisors are not morally pure, nevertheless
someone like sandy berger had the deceny to quit.
\_ You call Berger decent? Holy shit... The man
stuffed high security level documents down his
pants and destroyed them. With twisted standards
like that anything else you say about morals or
decency is utter crap.
\_ Actually, he's been cleared of all of that.
Try a news source other than Fox News.
\_ Not pp. Link that he's been cleared?
They find the docs or soemthing?
4. do you respect somebody who opposed the 9/11
commssion existing, then limited their subpoena-like
powers/his cooperation, would not testify under oath,
did not have the balls to show up "Dickless" ... and
now rather than stand on execitive privilage or sep
of power, is attempting to coopt the agenda.
\_ You're putting words in my mouth. Standard
leftist pap. I didn't say anything at all either
way about GWB or anyone in his administration.
I call red herring on this one. It has nothing
to do with what I said. Weak distration from
what I said which is that you're a leftist, not
some intellectual non-partisan who exists on
some higher plane of political discourse.
\_ Err ... I am sure you are intelligent enough
to understand psb's question was directed
at the general audience. I know, self
importance can lead to temporary idiocy.
As it now stands, the only thing in your
gabhole is your big smelly foot, and
you shoved it in there all by yourself.
5. as tacitus wrote in the annals, "My only regret is
that insults and perils have made my old age unhappy
... it is because I disklike criminality."
--psb
\_ Yes, very nice. You get 2 bonus points for an
ancient name drop reference/quote and another
bonus point for the quote almost sounding like
it has something to do with the topic but not.
You're a leftist. Nothing wrong with being a
standard Bush hating liberal. There's lots of
them and not all of them are idiots. Some have
actually know why they hate Bush. I just don't
think you're one of that set. Be a liberal,
live it up, hate Bush, whatever. Just don't run
around claiming you're better than everyone else
through false claims of being different somehow.
\_ If you have read psb's posts over a long
period of time, and don't think psb is
"different" in any way from "normal," i'm
curious to know what circles you normaly
run in.
\_ nice ... when you can't win the argument ...
just throw labels at your opponent.
\_ Dubya didn't ask his dad for advice on Iraq; he submits to a
Higher Father.
\_ I always wondered: do people who post this stuff think
they're clever/funny or what? Is it troll bait? I don't
see the point in this sort of post.
\_ "There is a higher father that I appeal to". --Dubya,
to Bob Woodward. Troll 1, You 0. -John
\_ Uh, yeah whatever. This doesn't answer my question.
\_ OK I'll bite. It's called "sniping", otherwise
known as the "paenut gallery." Some people
find it amusing, you obviously don't. Let it
lie. -John |
| 2004/8/3-4 [Finance/Investment] UID:32671 Activity:very high |
8/3 Ok. I've got $60K to invest for a year. What do the motd stock
gurus recommend? The last set of picks actually did well!
\_ No guru, but I was thinking of putting about 10K into QQQ,
perhaps during the end of Aug or even as late as mid Oct.
QQQ is down to 32.50 during intraday, and traditionally
markets go up after the Nov. election. The 52 low is 29.50,
and it's coming off of a high of 39. What do you guys think?
\_ Addendum: That number could actually grow to a few hundred K
depending on how things work out. Doubling my investment gets
me a new Porsche! Thanks motd!
\_ G00G D00D! Seriously though, you should spread out your
investments over a few mutual funds and maybe one or two
stock and an index fund (or something similar like QQQ).
\_ real or fake money?
\_ wait until after November in case terrorists blow something
up
\_ ICGE earnings just coming out, should double
\_ WTF are all of you thinking? This man's ill gotten gains must
be returned to all of us, where it belongs. If he has more money
left over in a single year to just play with or buy a porsche(!!!)
then he has too much money. He should donate it to a worthy cause
like buying tickets for the poor to see F9/11 or just send it back
to the government so they can more efficiently spend it.
\_ I always wondered: do people who post this stuff think
they're clever/funny or what? Is it troll bait? I don't
see the point in this sort of post.
\_ Milltek Cat+ assembly, Bailey DV-30 diverter valve, a good
air filter, a new ECU, a Forge intercooler, and some nice new 18"
rims & SP-9000s. I guarantee satisfaction and a great return on
your investment. (I'll give you a ride.) -John
\_ No! He should pay NO TAXES!!! He needs to buy LOTS OF GUNS to
protect his STUFF from the MEN WITH GUNS!!
\_ Depending on your risk level, maybe ultra short term bonds.
QQQ is too high variance for one year.
\_ WAG.
\_ NGEN after it calms down.
\_ SCOX all the way! There's nowhere to go but up!
\_ sCOX all the way! There's nowhere to go but up!
\_ if you've got a strong stomach, taiwan. tsm, asx, spil, auo.
but don't blame me if there's a war. i also like india,
eastern europe, japan, malaysia and nxg (gold / copper).
a relatively conservative choice is dvy - it's an etf consisting
of a bunch of high dividend paying blue chip companies. I would
buy dvy rather than short term bonds. |
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