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| 2004/7/12 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:32225 Activity:high 71%like:32223 |
7/11 Illegal Aliens are Boosting for Billions, 60 Minutes
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/20/60minutes/main601396.shtml
\_ It's Romanian gangs in Europe--they also do a lot of organized
burglary, ramming (steal a car, ram a jewelery shop window),
and stealing ATMs (attach to the back of a pickup truck, rip it
from the walls. -John
\_ Romanian or Romany?
\_ Romanian. The Roma mainly specialize in pickpocketing.
\_ Doing the jobs Americans won't do...
\_ So instead of paying a fair wage you build your economy on the
under paid backs of illegal labor? Oh, that's so liberal
minded of you. Thanks for being such the humanitarian. Maybe
we can export our slave labor policy to other nations in an
effort to spread our form of human rights?
\_ Bub, if you're gonna bitch, you should read the link first.
\_ Americans will do any job if the price is right.
\_ except for manually working a farm. it has that stigma, y'all
know.
\_ Are you kidding? Having sex with people for money has a
stigma, but farming? Do you just mean the stereotype that
farmers are 'dumb'? Dude, I d farm if the salary was good.
It's much better than rotting in a cubicle. -- ilyas
\_ No, they'd do that too if the work-reward ratio and conditions
were improved. There is a stigma, but there's also a sort of
romanticism about agriculture that I think would appeal to
some people if there was any dignity to the job.
\_ Winery employees have no problem working alongside the
Latino laborers. I've done it myself at harvest. Lots
of people like to garden, which is basically the same
thing. If the salary was higher more people would do it.
I'll tend sheep for $100K/year.
\_ Alot of americans would do it for a third of that.
\_ As long as we deny immigrants the chance to organize,
a lot of people in America will end up doing it for
1/20th of that. |
| 2004/7/12 [Computer/SW/Languages/JavaScript] UID:32226 Activity:nil |
7/12 Is there a cross-browser way to have javascript build me some
prototype elements, perhaps like
document.parse('<div class="foo"><p>blah blah blah</p></div>')?
I'm getting sick of building up all this stuff via DOM calls. |
| 2004/7/12 [Computer/SW/Security, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:32227 Activity:moderate |
7/11 LIVE IN FEAR PESANTS!
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/outlook/2660471
\_ Do you mean 'peasants'?
\_ Ok so you won't mind if we profile Muslims and kick out all of
the illegals? Which is it?
\_ Your reply makes no sense to me, but I'm sure it's exactly what
the TSA folks think too.
\_ The fact that they talked to him seemed reasonable, but I think
any sane police agency would have quickly said, "ok, no big
deal" pretty damn fast. Although I think the person who
reported him is a moron, I do understand the "we have to
follow up" reponse. I don't understand the "we have to look
tough and try to scare him" response.
\_ I don't think your version would make a very good newspaper
story.
\_ It's just the way cops are. You never met a cop before? This
idiot writes like he's never met one either. But really, the
above is correct. The guy had a deadline for X column inches
so he wrote some crap. Since nothing happened and you can't
check his story, who says it even happened at all? The URL
and the original 'story' and I do mean 'story' are trolls.
\_ He's not an idiot; this is unacceptable behavior by stupid
and officious thugs in uniform. I was approached by a
little toad bitch in St. Louis (after they'd lost my
luggage) who asked me if I were visiting on business or
pleasure--I replied "pleasure", at which point she started
snapping at me "then why are you wearing business
clothes?!?" (Khakis and a shirt.) These are the menial
and uneducated, placed in uniform with a mandate to
intimidate. See comment about paying what you get for
in the camera discussion below. -John
\_ America: land of the free, home of the brave. |
| 2004/7/12 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:32228 Activity:moderate |
7/12 http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/35274458.html \_ that's a reprint of an old usenet post from the mid 90s, or maybe even earlier, alt.tasteless i think. |
| 2004/7/12 [Recreation/Dating] UID:32229 Activity:moderate |
7/12 "Frugal Gourmet" Jeff Smith has died at age 65.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0711obitsmith11.html
\_ Reading the article, did he really abuse kids when he was a
minister?
\_ It was never settled in court. One side says yes, the other side
says the timing of the accusation makes it look like a blackmail
plot. Regardless, he seemed like a nice man and his show was
what got me interested in cooking. -op
\_ He paid 'em off, didn't he?
\_ Yeah, after they made it public, so it's hard to say...
\_ Not knowing anything else, my money would be on: he
did something bad, and he paid 'em off so his own kids
and wife wouldn't have too messed up a life with
everyone knowning about their child abuser dad.
I mean, the guy is just nice. I don't think you can
get seven guys to lie about his molesting them; guys who
will be attacked by the public as well. |
| 2004/7/12 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:32230 Activity:high |
7/12 iPod causes CD Copy protection companies to rethink strategy:
http://tinyurl.com/5ujph
\_ I assume there's a hack to rip those 'copy protected' CDs right?
or am I wrong?
\_ Yes, but it's not always very user-friendly, and in any case the
copy-protected CDs have bogus error correcting codes which means
the disc is more likely to be damaged by a scratch. Whoops!
Looks like you have to buy another one...
\_ Ok, I don't completely under how CDS-200 works, but
it seems the following would work:
1. disable auto play in XP
2. using some software, select the active session on
the CD (to be different from what it would normaly be)
3. rip as one normally would.
This would work right? Or is it more complicated than
that? I mean if a normal CD player can play
it, then the raw track has to be on the CD somewhere,
the computer just need to find it.
\_ No. When you try to rip it your CD-drive will either:
A) Say "Ack! Corrupted disc!" and abort.
B) Say, "Hmm, the error-correcting code says the music
should sound like <gibberish>..."
You need to rip in some non-standard mode I forgot the name
of. There are special programs to do this. You can of
course put the disc in a normal CD-player and feed the line
into your sound card and record, but that has its own set
of problems. FWIW, this copy-protection system also
renders the discs unplayable on many car stereos.
\_ You have to use rca output, not spdif output to copy
the cd if you are going to audio way.
\_ RCA output is never considered a 'copy'. I am
talking about copying as in computer file copy. |
| 2004/7/12 [Recreation/Dating] UID:32231 Activity:high |
7/12 Dear John, what's a dirndls, and could you please post a picture of
your gf? Thanks
\_ STFW, and you first. -!John
\_ STFW?
\_ Nevermind, the definition of STFW comes from STFW.
\_ Sure thing: http://csua.org/u/85j -john
\_ NWS, of course. This begs a question I've been wondering. How can
check the actual URL of a shortened URL w/o bringing it up?
\_ try http://csua.com/?entry=32231
\_ a HEAD request should get you url redirect info
\_ KAIS MOTD's mouse over is quite cool and often let you know
something about the content, regardless of the URL !kchang |
| 2004/7/12-13 [Science/Space, Transportation/PublicTransit] UID:32232 Activity:very high |
7/12 Question about the BART ticket encoding system. Do they attach a
unique id to each card, and have all the stations connect to a
central computer that keeps track of the states (which is more secure
but less reliable because in the 70s the network communication was
not as reliable as now), or do they encode the actual amount of
money onto each card (which is more fault tolerant to network
noise, etc)? ok thx.
\_ I can't speak for BART but Singapore's MRT system uses RFID
cards for both bus and train services. AFIK, it would be
really expensive to have RFID cards self modifying (especially
when they have no batteries). It would be easier to use a
centralized server and that's probably what they do.
\_ Are you sure it's RFID and not some sort of induction mechanism?
I think that's what RATP (Paris metro) use. About contactless
smart cards: http://tinyurl.com/6su5r -John
\_ The latter. I have fantasized about getting a card reader
and writer and making my own BART cards. It uses some
simple encoding, if I remember correctly. I can dig up
my research no this, if you like.
\_ You know this is how one of the hosts of Off the Hook got
a felony conviction, right? It's not worth it. If they catch
you, expect the whole paranoid Mitnick style treatment by the
courts.
\_ He got a felony conviction for making a fake BART card?
I find this hard to believe. URL please.
\_ it was MTA in new york, and not BART. I don't have a
url, and he doesn't discuss the details of his case
on the radio, but he's definitely on probation from
felony charges, and whatever he did was
definitely involving MTA cards in some way.
\_ "Your honor, he was 'hacking' BART, a vital public resource.
If his plan had been allowed to spread, it would have had
serious impacts upon BART's ability to evacuate people in
the event of a disaster. We ask that the court consider
the defendant to be an enemy combatant."
\_ Dude, you don't have to be declared an enemy combatant
for the government to make your life into a living hell.
I think the PP is pointing out that a felony crime
coupled with any electronic fu is likely to make a prime
target for investigation by the Dept of Homeland Sec.
Welcome to the New America.
\_ it's not the New America, and has nothing to do
with DHS. The paranoid idiocy about computer
related crime goes back to at least when I was
in highschool in the early 90s. My highschool physics
teacher atually testified that some idiot who was caught
with bomb related stuff on his bbs and some stolen shit
in his home (which the cops raided swat style) was
"neither evil nor a genius." They really wanted
to throw the book at him becuase prosecuters get all
excited about the "evil genius" thing for some reason.
also, google "ed cummings" to learn just how far law
enforcement will go to brutalize a small time hacker,
even before 9/11.
\_ And soon I will have understanding of videocassette
recorders and car telephones. And when I have
understanding of them, I shall have understanding
of computers. And when I have understanding of
computers, I shall be the Supreme Being!
\_ could you please? My point is to not hack the system, but to
research how engineering decisions are made, why, in what time
frame, etc. I'm conducting a technology literary survey,
thanks, -op
\_ Does it have to be bart or can it be any other eng.
system? Applied Crypto and Practical Crypto have
several examples of eng. design decisions. Also
look for books about Gemini and Apollo (the story
of why LOR was chosen is good example of eng. in
the real world)
\_ What's LOR?
\_ Lunar Orbit Rendezvous. There were three
different proposals to get to the moon:
1. Direct
2. Earth Orbit Rendezvous (EOR) - Launch
the bits into space separately, link
up in Earth orbit, go to the moon, land
and come back
3. Lunar Orbit Rendezvous (LOR) - Launch
this bits into space separately, link
up, go to the moon, land only part of
the craft on the moon, link back up
in orbit around the moon and come back.
LOR was the most/least complex depending
on your point of view. Most complex because
it has so many places where it could go
wrong. Least complex because it required
smaller rockets and smaller simpler lander.
Gemini is also of interest, because that
was the platform that proved that rendevous
and other systems could work.
For more info see:
http://oea.larc.nasa.gov/PAIS/Rendezvous.html
\_ I've thought about this before. I decided it's very unlikely that
they have unique tickets that are tracked by a central server. If
they did that, the server would have to be able to store hundreds
of millions of unique tickets (dating back 30 years) and there would
have to be a way to instantly process transactions from about 1,000
terminals spread over a 50-mile range. Nowadays it's more-or-less
doable, but in the 1970's it would have been a huge PITA.
\_ ah yes, but they could have easily done it with well known
techniques like database duplication, local caching, database
merging, backup modems, etc.
\_ BART can't even get the machines working well enough to
print the fucking ticket values. -tom
\_ Each ticket record would probably need to store 6-8 bytes in
a unique-tickets situation. Then you need to be able to store
several hundred records at every station in the 1970's. How
did a meg of disk cost in 1975? Like I said, it would have
been possible, but huge pain for marginal benefit.
\_ The amount of money is encoded in each card. It used to be printed
in human readble form on the card every time it was used as well
(not sure if this is still the case). The start point of your
journey is also encoded so that when you exit it knows how much
to deduct.
\_ It still is printed, BART is just really bad about changing the
toner ribbons in the turnstiles.
\_ 1) This is true, they do need to replace the toner cartridges
more frequently, and 2) your ticket is supposed to have the
amount remaining printed on it _when you exit BART_. Many ppl
think the amount is written when you buy your ticket or enter
BART, but that's not the case.
\_ It IS printed (fairly reliably) when you buy your ticket.
It gets printed sideways next to the mag-strip.
\_ I remember my dad (who worked at BART as a techie since 1972)
telling me of a fraudulent cards they came across in the 80s.
they were made out of index card stock w/ VHS tape glued down
for the magnetic strip. but if you're interested in tech politics
ignore the ticketing system and try to find out about hte train control
system and the wayside communications. what a mess! |
| 2004/7/12 [Consumer/GPS] UID:32233 Activity:high |
7/12 Does anyone know how the garmin unlock key works? I can't find much
info on the web and the gps newsgroup is too sensitive to this topic.
\_ Are you trying to upload mapdate you have obtained illegally?
\_ Yes, now fuck off.
\_ Get the real thing, steal a PLGR or DAGR, and try cracking the
the government authorization system. Post results here.\
\_ I am not interested in the real thing.
\_ what are you talking about? -gps dumb guy
\_ It's software activiation for the map data you can load
into Garmin's GPS units. -- !op |
| 2004/7/12 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:32234 Activity:high |
7/12 Architecture question: Are RISC programs generally larger than
equivalent CISC programs (binaries)?
\_ yes.
\_ uh oh, I anticipate yet another heated CISC/RISC debate
why can't we all get along? |
| 2004/7/12 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:32235 Activity:nil |
7/12 Eyeballing the White House
http://cryptome.org/whrez/whrez-eyeball.htm -John
\_ What are you planning, terrorist?! |
| 2004/7/12 [Recreation/Media] UID:32236 Activity:kinda low |
7/12 Has anyone seen the Cameron Diaz S&M video yet? Is it really her and
is it worth watching? And where do I find a copy?
\_ coupla friends d/l'd it. it's really not worth watching at all,
according to them. there's some boobage, but that's it.
\_ put on soda? |
| 2004/7/12 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:32237 Activity:insanely high |
7/12 Why is it that even W is conceding that WMD hasn't been found, while
motd conservatives has been telling that us it has? Is W also
a lying liberal?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/12/international/middleeast/12CND-BUSH.html
\_ Why is it that liberals keep on beating a dead horse that nobody
cares about anymore?
\_ Nobody cares? Tell that to all the families of soldiers that
have died.
\_ Yup, nobody cares, especially the GIs in Iraq, who are more
concerned about getting the hell out rather than finding
WMD. Again, liberals == dead horse + whip.
\_ Obviously everyone cares. It was the premise of the war.
Everyone including Bush still talks about it. U = dumb.
\_ And to all of us that are footing the bill...
\_ If the general public actually cared the left wouldn't need
Mike Moore to browbeat G.W.
\_ If you weren't an idiot then zebras would conquer Zaire.
\_ Hahahaha. You wish that nobody cared about it. We told you at
the time that he was a lying scumbag and you and your kind
shouted us down. Now you will pay for leading America into
an illegal and unnecessary war.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/24/poll.iraq
54 percent of Americans now say Iraq war a mistake.
\_ Why does he hate America?
\_ Yeah, and 90% said capturing Saddam was a good thing. You can
find a poll at any given point of time to support anything.
Anyway, if you were to take a poll today I'm sure you'll find
less than 40% of the population really cares about finding WMD.
\_ That's exactly what I've been wondering for the last four years.
\_ Dubya concedes that "WMD stockpiles" have not been found. So,
which motd conservatives are saying that WMD stockpiles have been
found? Anyway, Bush's main point is that Saddam could have given
it to al Qaeda *at some point*, which is why we went pre-emptive.
\_ cyclosarin shells, mustard gas shells, sarin shells, very large
chemical attack averted in jordan, missile technology, buried
nuclear components, uranium sought from Africa...
Why do you not question the statements of DOZENS of leading
Dems in WJC's administration and Congress? Iraq, along
with Iran and Syria, was the largest state sponsor of terror.
\_ Uranium sought from Africa? Where have you been, man? That
was completely made up.
\_ He still thinks Iraq had WMD. He's deluded and in need of
meds. His belief in the Uranium story is the least of his
problems.
\_ Woops I guess you are wrong yet again:
A new British inquiry is showing that Saddam did
seek uranium in Africa
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04193/344163.stm
Furthermore, the Senate's report undermines
Wilson's lies.
\_ From the Congressional Record... let's see what
Kerry, Daschle, and Clinton had to say during the
1990's about Iraq's WMD programs:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/949198/posts
\_ I'm sorry, which of these men invaded Iraq on the
pretext of WMD? None. They called for inspections.
W picked the wrong horse and now he's covered in
manure. Deal with it.
\_ Hmm... rusty old leftovers from the Iran/Iraq war, unrelated
event in another country, missiles that flew slightly farther
than allowed if you remove the guidance system, and some
buried aluminum pipes.
\_ Wrong, it was a gas centrifuge bearing housing. A
massive chemical attack en route from Syria to Jordan
is an 'unrelated event'. Do you know where these
countries are on a map and their respective political
institutions?
\_ oh, so they're next to Iraq, so we should invade Iraq;
great logic!
\_ Assad is Baathist. If the connection is not
self-evident I don't think its worth continuing
this.
this. You would approve of invading Syria?
I would - and I think the Europeans should do it.
\_ Baathist party in Syria and baathist party in Iraq
have nothing to do with each other. politics in Iraq
over the last 30 years have been dominated by
one guy, saddam, and only saddam, it's not like a party
system in america at all. |
| 2004/7/12 [Recreation/Pets] UID:32238 Activity:very high |
7/12 My dog (15lb. Daschund) swallowed a slice of a round bone 1.5" in
diameter and 1" long. I'm surprised he was able to swallow it. It
did not splinter. Do you think he's in danger and should I take him
to a vet?
\_ Maybe you should... call a vet and ask them?
\_ Dogs have stomachs with extremely low pH. They can eat almost
anything as a result, including whole bones.
\_ I'm not worried about splintering and piercing, but since he
barely swallowed it I'm worried it could cause a bowel
obstruction.
\_ I don't know. It might be a good idea, although I bet
the vet would just keep him overnight and wait for him to
pass it.
\_ http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/bones.html
Take him to the vet.
\_ can they handle milk then? many said one shouldn't feed dogs
milk because dogs are lactose intolerant.
\_ They say that about cats too but I hear about people doing
that all the time. I think that's a STFW topic though.
\_ Are dogs carnivores? Don't most carnivores have pretty simple
bowels so that they can eat prey in big chunks without causing
obstructions?
\_ Don't wild dogs die around age 6-7?
\_ The fact that it's a long dog means that their bowels can easily
twist and cause serious damage. Take him to the vet, even if it's
just for monitoring. A bowel obstruction is a very painful way for
your dog to die.
\_ I have two dachshunds, I empathize -- they eat EVERYTHING! Go to
your vet, or to Pet Emergency (the one in Berkeley on Univ and 10th
a block off San Pablo is the recommended one hereabouts). Don't
wait for it to become a problem, get your pet examined! At the
very least, the vet will prescribe a diet that will allow your
dog to pass the bone more easily...and the vet could also
save your dog from severe distress and death. --chris
\_ That's a huge bone. Your dog is kind of stupid.
\_ Dachshunds weren't bred for their high IQ....
\_ successfully resisted (barely) the temptation to replace dog with
something else in this thread... :) |
| 2004/7/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:32239 Activity:kinda low |
7/12 Any tree fools that does nice graphical directory comparison like
Araxis Merge, but free? for windows. Thanks.
\_ http://winmerge.sourceforge.net
\_ http://winmerge.sourceforge.net
I like Beyond Compare though, but it's not free ($30). |
| 2004/7/12 [Health] UID:32240 Activity:moderate |
7/12 Can alcohol or hydrogen peroxide solution cure finger nail infection?
I saw a TV commericial there's a pill for this, but it also says there
can be serious side effects.
\_ Is it fingernail or toenail?
Search google for: berkeley parents nail fungus
As for the pill, that's Lamisil, and you take one a day and your
liver has to work overtime to clear up your blood. Basically you
will need monthly liver monitoring while you are on it. It's
expensive, but it works.
\_ and watch out for extremeley high blood pressure.
\_ It's fingernail (thumbnail). Are fingernail infection and
toenail infection different kinds of infections?
\_ Toenail infections are much more common. Fingernail
infections, I don't know anyone with, and you should
definitely see a doctor, and not only that, a specialist.
I doubt you will find someone on soda who has first-hand
(pun!) experience with fingernail fungus. |
| 2004/7/12-13 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:32241 Activity:very high |
7/12 In C, what should be the data type for array indices? I usually just
use "int". Thx.
\_ YES! The 'trivial C question troll' is back! I love you, man!
\_ int is fine, but I often find myself using unsigned int, especially
in for loops where I compare unsigned int i against some maximum-
value variable that is also unsigned int.
\_ It's an integer type. a[i] is the same as *(a + i). Can be signed,
can be negative. Why do you care?
\_ I'm just wonder if the K&R spec says anything about it. I don't
have the spec here.
\_ size_t
\_ Are you sure? It's not, say, ptrdiff_t? Isn't a[-1] legal?
\_ You can use ssize_t if you like, I personally prefer
size_t since stuff like a[-1] can often lead to bugs
if you aren't completely sure what a points to.
\_ The original question wasn't what type /should/ be
used; it was what it *is*. Section 6.5.2.1 of the
C99 standard says merely, "integer type" and (as I
said before) that a[i] is identical to *(a + i) (from
which it should be obvious that the index is an integer
type).
\_ To settle this question once and for all, just look at the C
standard? It says the subscript shall be an integral type.
Integral type is defined as char, an unsigned or signed integer
type, or an enumerated type. A signed integer type is signed
char, short int, int, or long int, and unsigned integer type is
the corresponding unsigned type. Clear enough?
\_ You could have just said: The C standard (post URL) says the
index can be an integral type (signed/unsigned short/long
char, int, enum), and negative values are permitted.
\_ There is no URL for the C standard. Or not a legal one,
anyway. There are various draft standards, though.
\_ what about long long?
\_ above is for C90. C99 draft standard has somewhat different
verbiage, but the spirit is the same. basically all integer
types can be subscripts. |
| 2004/7/12 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:32242 Activity:very high |
7/12 Facism, anyone? http://csua.org/u/85n -- The 14 common characteristics of fascist regimes -- ring any bells? \_ The Council for Secular Humanism? This is way worse than WorldNetDaily. \_ Well, the obvious point of this piece is to say that Bush = Fascist, but it does a pretty poor job of substatiating that claim. Many of the points it tries to make don't apply to Bush at all. Some don't even apply to Fascism. (The one about religion is a pretty obvious secular humanists swipe at religion, but has little to do with what was actually done in fascist governments.) The ones that are refelcted with Bush are often a big stretch. A few fascist like tendencies are shown to be in the Bush-like, but I don't think it's any more than you would see between Hitler and say, FDR. \_ But FDR is a facist with a socialist bend. \_ how true, it was said FDR envied Stalin because he was such an effective collectivist. Would explain their friendship. \_ "it was said"? By whom? Freepers? \_ FDR = fascist is just as patently absurd as Bush = fascist. FDR defeated fascism. I don't think any of you or the people in the URL really understand the word "fascism." \_ Thank you. Can anyone here actually define fascism for me? I had a roommate who hated Regan because he was a "fascist" but he could never point to any specific instances, or even tell me what that meant. \_ fascism : a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism). Its really not that complicated. Perfectly describes the result of the policies of the New Deal and the left today. \_ The URL above is a paraphrase of a very common 14 point definition. Its workable but I think the comparison to Bush falls down (I dislike Bush as much as the next guy but calling him Hitler is hyberbole). There was a recent book on this subject that got favorable reviews, but the name escapes me at the moment. \_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism is as good a definition of fascism as you are going to find anywhere. \_ it's not something just a one-sentence little blurb could sufficiently describe. mussolini wrote an essay defining it: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html As that site mentions, the term comes from "fasces" which were held by Roman officials as symbols of the authority of their office. Basically it's authoritarian nationalism, the idea that only strong authority can lead a nation to greatness and vitality, the State being more important than individuals. being more important than individuals. There's also the notion that this national struggle is the only thing with meaning, with the wars and all, making your place in history; that otherwise you might as well be dead. Which helps explain how Hitler could just roll the dice with millions of lives in the balance. \__ Actually, most fascist governments do form an alliance with organized religion. See Italy, Brazil, Argentina, Spain, Chile and Indonesia for examples. A few did not. \_ yes the Dems like Schumer, Hillary the witch and WJC. \_ Bush is a Fascist! Bush is a Fascist! Saying it enough times makes it true! \_ You should watch Starship Troopers. \_ I did one better, I read the book. \_ Watch the movie again. Movies work. \_ Work for what? BTW, have YOU read the book? \_ Movies work in the ways that books don't. I have not read the book, but now you mention it, I will. I can understand why you would not want to see the movie (again) if you've read the book. \_ Don't bother. The difference is that Heinlein basically advocated fascism - particularly in ST. The movie was, by contrast, a satire on the book's enthusiasm for fascism. MANY people did not figure this out, though. -- ulysses \_ I guess I'm one of them then -- IIRC, positions in government were decided by a popular vote. I honestly don't see how that's fascist. \_ If you are a liberal, please don't use the term fascist to describe the Bush administration. It's become an epithet. \_ Saying that it has become an epithet is also saying that it once wasn't one. \_ In Italy, it's quite common for people to still identify themselves as communists or fascists. --studied there \_ "Fascist" as applied to Mussolini and Hitler's regimes is accurate. \_ Accurate for what? You mean it's an accurate description of Bush's policies? Only if "Communist" is an accurate description of Clinton's policy. Maybe you should re-read the definition of fascim linked to above. \_ "Fascist" is accurate, low on the epithet meter, and acceptable in academic publications when applied to Mussolini and Hitler's regimes. And I *just* said, please don't use the term fascist to describe the Bush administration. \_ If you are a conservative, please don't use the terms communist, terrorist, America-hater, etc. etc. to describe liberals. Can we all just get along?!?! \_ The word you are looking for is "socialist". Conservatives : fascist :: Liberals : socialist \_ The Bush Administration certainly has fascist tendencies. But they are also certainly not fascist. At least not as long as we continue to have elections and free speech. \_ Right. No one is suggesting Bush is a fascist. However, his adminstration does appear to be pulling this country more towards that direction. \- is it not obvious that "fascist" when used to describe BUSH CO is indended as an epithet rather than a term from political science, just as when BUSH is described as an idiot or moron it is also an epithet and not a allegation that his tested iq fals into a particular band. same for john ashcroft is a nazi etc. trying to find precision where it isnt intended is ... dumb --psb |
| 2004/7/12 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:32243 Activity:high |
7/12 My nightmare seems closer to reality now.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/12/politics/campaign/12vote.html
("Federal officials are looking into what legal authority if any they
would have to postpone the November presidential election in the
event of a terrorist strike, a Department of Homeland Security
official said Sunday.")
\_ What is your nightmare? An orderly response to a terrorist attack?
Note that the NYC mayoral primary was delayed when the attacks hit
on 9/11 (day of the election). Considering that a hit would most
likely be on an urban center (which tend to vote liberal) do you
think this is a bad thing?
\_ mayoral primary. big deal.
\_ A primary is a quite different. For one the dates of the
election are not mandated in the constitution. For another they
don't have quite the same importance. Remember Guilliani also
tried to get a few more months of his term to "deal with the
situation" in New York and that made a lot of New Yorkers who
were previously happy with Gulliani quite grumpy. He didn't
get those extra months BTW.
\_ Have the freepers come to motd? Usually we have more intelligent
conservatives posting.
\_ Do you have a response to the content or are you just another
mindless ad hominem drone?
\_ Your last sentence ("Considering that ...") speaks for
itself. What are you trying to say in this sentence?
\_ I think what the poster was referring to is the president might
create a terrorist event to reschedule the election more to his
liking.
\_ Yeah, but I tend to ignore tinfoil hat nutjobs. He probably
thinks Bush orchestrated 9/11.
\_ Bush didn't orchestrate 9/11, but he sure took advantage
of it in order to topple Hussein, and take away our civil
liberties with the un-patriotic act. If there is a
terrorist attack *and* Bush has the numbers to lose, don't
bother even questioning for a split-second that Bush won't
delay the election until he can spin-ster his way to
victory.
\_ That bastard! How dare he topple Hussein! -- ilyas
\_ Teresa Nielsen Hayden: "I deeply resent the way this admin-
istration makes me feel like a nutbar conspiracy theorist."
I don't think W [w|c]ould orchestrate a terrorist attack.
That said, I am deathly afraid of any postponement of the
election. Come up with a better plan, you morons. -op |
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