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2004/7/11-12 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:32212 Activity:high
7/10    How Multiculturalism Took Over America
        http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14164
        \_ How about the part where whitey took over America? And how
           everytime whitey feels threatened, they enact a law to
           "protect" their culture, though, this isn't really the
           original American culture....just whitey culture.
                \_ KILL WHITEY!
           \_ Enact a law?  Such as when the Republicans crushed the
              Democrats and brought about a victory for civil rights in
              this country?
              \_ Wow, when did this happen?  I was too busy watching the Repubs
                 getting coopted by the far right loonies and shredding my
                 civil liberties to notice.
                 \_ I think he's confusing "Democrats" with "Confederacy."
                    \_ Considering the South was solidly democrat until the
                       1980's I don't think you know what you are talking
                       about.
                       \_ Ronald Reagan brought about a victory for civil
                          rights?  How?  By showing that even an actor
                          with Alzheimer's can become president?
                          \_ Since you are historically ignorant why do
                             you persist with this polemic?  Your time
                             would be better spent reading a history book.
        \_ sincere question to OP: where did you grow up (state/region)?
           \_ seattle, south florida, virginia (DC), north carolina.
              \_ as a native northern californian i found the viewpoint
                 of the article to be laughably sheltered.  his fear
                 of "the new pioneers" is telling of his desire to
                 freeze progress now that "his" culture has reached
                 its peak.  i think he assigns too much malice to those
                 of us who appreciate the mixing of cultures taht is
                 intrinisic to the modern economy. (i asked about origins
                 because i am increasingly aware that i understand
                 the pacific rim mindset more than some of my u.s.
                 the pacific rim mindset more than [i do]  some of my u.s.
                 brethren's)
                 \_  Of course you are smarter and more perspicacious than
                     every else, especially the crude masses who live
                     outside of urban areas like SF, Ny, Hollywood, and
                     Boston.  That said, please
                     identify the virtues that have arisen
                     from multiculturalism in the past 2 decades.
                     Ethnic cuisine doesn't count.
                     \_ it's not so much that I think it has virtues
                        as I think it is the truth. people mingle;
                        people mix; they do not assimilate. the slow
                        pace of some backwoods places gives the false
                        impression that culture is static.  the article
                        ignores how the US changes after EVERY batch
                        immigration.  the virtues invclude not
                        taking an isolationist's stance with our heads
                        in the sand and asses in the air.

                        let me add that i think the core principle of
                        our government, namely federation, naturally
                        extends to multi-culturalism.  there is no "we"
                        that owns the civic stage with any uniform
                        cultural identity.  the wonderful future I
                        hope for is when all culturual identities are
                        equally as impotent and silly and we can get
                        on to individual merit again.
2004/7/11-12 [Computer/Theory] UID:32213 Activity:high
7/10    Was Alan Turing queer?
        \_ isn't this very well established?
           \_ You underestimate ignorance.
        \_ that's what they say, yes.
        \_ He was outed after his lover beat him and he called the cops.
           They tried to "cure" him by feeding him estrogen; he went
           crazy and killed himself by eating a cyanide-laced poison apple
           a la' Snow White, his favorite book.
        \_ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/07/manchester_honours_turing
        \_ there was a poster here who said he wouldn't use programs written
           by gay people. Does this mean he should stop using computers
           altogether?
           \_ I highly doubt you're using any programs written by Alan Turing.
              Anyway, FYI Blaise Pascal was also supposedly gay.
                \_ you've got to be kidding... I used to love Pascal the
                   programming language, eeeck...
                   \_ yeah, and i guess you conservative shit heads will
                      also have to find a new way to remember binomial
                      expansion coefficients since you can't use the Gay
                      Triangle.
        \_ well I have to say, of all the brilliant yet nerdy geeky smelling
           scientists I've personally met on seen on literature, he's one
           of the best looking guy... and Feinman.
           \_ do you mean feynman?
              \_ not looking so good dead.
                 \_ or alive either; kind of reminds me of hilfinger
2004/7/11 [Uncategorized] UID:32214 Activity:nil
7/10    Thanks for writing directly to the motd smashing my changes.
        You can restore *your* changes.  I won't.  Restored.
2004/7/11-12 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Women] UID:32215 Activity:kinda low
7/11    http://www.eruptzine.com/rant3.html
        kind of funny to read ("pussy eating corrosives") haha
        \_ yeah wow that was funny like a pie in the face!  woop! woop! woop!
2004/7/11-12 [Recreation/Humor] UID:32216 Activity:high
7/11    jodt (joke of the day): firewall
        CHILD : Dad, where did I come from?
        DAD : Okay, we had to have this conversation some day!...... So why
        not now.  Now Listen.... Dad and mom met in a chat room on the net.
        I set up a meeting with your mom and we landed in the bathroom at
        the Cyber Cafe. Then, mom did some downloads from dads memory stick
        and when dad was ready to upload, We discovered that there was no
        firewall. Seeing that it was a bit too late to cancel, I just
        carried on doing the upload. Nine months later, the damn virus
        appeared!
        \_ I will pay you to stop writing jokes. -williamc
        \_ I don't hate you as much as I hate the motd movie critic yet, but
           keep working on it.
        \_ I know a second grader wittier than you.
          \_ and I know a college drop out, bike/netrek fanatic wittier
             than you. w00t!
             \_ That was uncalled for...
        \_ this joke belongs to the "so bad, it's good" cathegory
2004/7/11-12 [Uncategorized] UID:32217 Activity:high
7/11    What freepers do when they're not trolling the motd:
        http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/11/international/asia/11afgh.html?hp
        \_ i heard about this on headline news and was dumbfounded that
           people would actually do something like this.  this has to be
           the best sentence from the story:
                 A piece of paper on the wall was titled "Missions
                 to Complete" and listed various tasks. Item No. 2
                 was "Karzai." Item No. 4 was "pick up laundry."
        \_ Ever read The Man who would be King?  -John
           \_ no.  are you recommending it?
                \_ Yup.  And find Beyond the Pale while you're at it.  -john
                                  \_ Author? Too many matches on Amazon.
                                        \_ Sorry, Rudyard Kipling.  Mwwbk is
                                           a book, second is a short story.
                \_ The Bible is a good read, too.  Just skip all the "so n so
                   begat so n so" in Genesis.
2004/7/11-12 [Uncategorized] UID:32218 Activity:kinda low 66%like:30086
7/10    <Changes Deleted>
        \_ And restored again in seconds.  Thank you for playing.
2004/7/11 [Uncategorized] UID:32219 Activity:high
7/11    What is the ^= operator in C?
        \_ XOR
        \_ ^ is bitwise XOR.  Not surprisingly, ^= is an assignment version.
        \_ can i join in? it's XOR!
2004/7/11-12 [Uncategorized] UID:32220 Activity:nil
7/11    I noticed a metamail_tmp directory in my home dir.  What's that
        about?  How did it get there?
        \_ its for temporary meta mail.
2004/7/11-15 [Industry/Jobs] UID:32221 Activity:low
7/11    Zone Labs is looking to hire approx. 20 developers.
        See /csua/pub/jobs/ZoneLabs for details
        (Note also interested in Seniors looking to work part time,
        with possible full time employment after graduating or dropping
        out.  --sky
        \_ Are you guys going to fix the crap that is version 5.x?  Are you
           going to fix the "kills idle ssh connections" 'option' in 5.x
           which has no option to disable this 'feature'?  I rebuilt my home
           network so that I don't have to use zone alarm anymore.  If someone
           won't use the free version, how many more won't pay for it?  4.x
           was so much better.
           \_ I couldn't agree with you more.  I fought long and hard to
              try and convince management/executives to hold the release
              but ultimately lost.  The kills idle ssh connections
              bug has been fixed along with many other egregious bugs
              that should have prevented 5.0 from releasing in the first
              place.  This update will be released around ~7/15.
              Please email me (sking@zonelabs.com) if you'd like an advance
              copy of the update, though from the sound of it i guess not.
              --sky
              \_ version 5 doesn't work with NetScreen VPN, will the new
                 release fix that?
                 \_ Hrm I see no mention of NetScreen in our bug database,
                    but i wouldn't be suprised.  Can you send me an email
                    at sking@zonelabs.com and I'll see if I can figure
                    out the problem.  --sky
\_ Yes!! Finally!! Thank you!!
2004/7/11-12 [Recreation/Dating] UID:32222 Activity:kinda low 50%like:35188
7/11    Dear German John, do you have a cute Bavarian gf like this one?
        http://www.partydomain.co.uk/d-commerce/media/FF501046_l.jpg
        http://avalonusa.com/oktoberfest
        \_ I'm not German, my girlfriend is cuter, and do you have a thing
           for dirndls?  Would you like to talk about it?  -John
           \_ He's correct. His girlfriend *is* cuter.
2004/7/11 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:32223 Activity:high 71%like:32225
7/11    Illegal Aliens are Boosting for Billions, 60 Minutes
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1169423/posts
        \_ dude can't you find another place other than freerepublic?
          i'd take you more seriously.
           \_ it's all 60 Minutes stuff
            \_ So find some other place that has the article.  Seeing 500
               nutjobs froth themselves in the comments is just sad.
2004/7/11-12 [Uncategorized] UID:32224 Activity:nil
7/11    This land belongs to you and me:
        http://www.jibjab.com/thisland.html
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