Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2004:June:27 Sunday <Saturday, Monday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2004/6/27 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:31025 Activity:high
6/27    British authorities, on Fox News's violations of "due impartiality":
          "... Fox News could justifiably claim to have achieved a level of
           accuracy and impartiality that was appropriate to its audience in
           the US, where different rules apply.",14173,1239094,00.html
        \_ Hehe, cool.  From a place where the press is so far left they
           make the LAT look down right fascist.  It's important to know
           who your critics are.  When certain people are critical you
           know you're doing a good job.  When they squeal constantly,
           you've achieved greatness.
           \_ The UK press is not "so far left...".  It is heavily editorial,
              and like most European papers, much more so than we're used to
              in the US.  The Guardian tends to be very leftist, the Times
              totally in the other direction, and the notorious tabloids
              whatever will get the short pants wearing soccer hooligans
              buying the paper that particular day.  Please be a bit more
              differentiated in your statements, even if you are a bit
              uninformed.  -John
           \_ Nonono ... it's the far-left New York Times, not the LA Times.
              The LAT is just a NYT wannabe!
              \_ Dude, look at a map sometime.  LA is obviously left of NY.
2004/6/27 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:31026 Activity:insanely high
6/27    The following is the beginning of a file called from my .procmailrc.
          set usage = `quota | grep digital | awk '{print $2}'`
          set quota = `quota | grep digital | awk '{print $4}'`
          set spacek = `expr $quota - $usage`
              \_ why do people worry about the disk quota when procmail has
                 a comprehensive failsafe policy? see "man procmailrc#ORGMAIL"
                 \_ I've had my ifile database truncated a couple times due to
                    quota problems.
        It works just fine, but I found 1 occurance of the following in my
        log file:
          expr: No match.
        How can expr generate a "No match error"?  Presumably the quota
        command yielded something like a '?' where there should have
        been a number.  But how would that be?
        \- close, but wrong shell metachar. if you are above quota, awk
           will return #####* for the usage. i note also expr may choke
           on large numbers. you may also be able to use this:
                If quota exits with a non-zero status,
                one or more filesystems are over quota.
           if you dont care about the actual numbers, you can do something
           along the lines of:
           quota | grep `dirname $home` | fgrep \*  > /dev/null && \
                 echo above_q || echo below_q
           btw, use less whitespace in motd posts. --psb
                \_ Thanks!  I just added sed 's/*//' to the set usage line.
2004/6/27 [Uncategorized] UID:31027 Activity:nil
6/27    Gamer dreams:
2004/6/27 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:31028 Activity:nil
6/27    Stupid UNIX question: In a shell program, how do I read in
        standard input?  I want the program to take standard input
        and manipulate it in some way and then output the result to
        a file.  Once I have the program written, I know how to invoke
        it, but how do I, within the program, tell it to work with the
        standard input?
        \_ Read from fd 1:
           while read LINE ; do echo $LINE ; done <&1
        \_ If you just want to pass stdin through various external commands,
           it's easy; just run them, and the first one will consume stdin if
           it needs it; e.g.:
               awk '{print $2}' | sed 's/a/b/g' > file
           will "just work".  If you want to perform actual line by line
           shell script programming, you'll have to do like the previous post
           says.  But really, if you're doing actual custom programming of
           this type (i.e. not lots of external program invocations), you
           almost certainly are better off using perl or <insert favorite
           text munging language here> --dbushong
2004/6/27-28 [Transportation/Motorcycle] UID:31029 Activity:moderate
6/27    Is it generally safe to park a motorcycle in the Bart station? And
        do Bart stations usually have a designated motorcycle parking with
        something to chain it to? I have this fear that 3 buff guys will
        carry it away on top of the truck or something but I'd hate to
        ride my motorcycle all the way to downtown because of all the potholes
        and steep slopes and stuff. Thanks for the responses and ride safe.
        \_ So, I don't ride my motorcycle to the Bart, so I can only give
           you kind of general answers.  I've rarely seen places to chain
           up motorcycles, I assume there aren't any at the Bart either.
           The best theft deterant I know of is a crappy bike with a
           wheel lock.  Really, there isn't anyway to secure your bike
           against professionals, except get some kind of JLo system.
                                                          \_ Jennifer Lopez?
                                                             \_ Bottom heavy.
2004/6/27-28 [Consumer/Audio] UID:31030 Activity:high
6/27    Any suggestions on Apple iPod Mini vs. Cowon iAudio M3?  TIA!
        \_ you should first consider that with the Cowon you won't be
           buying music from iTunes... and of course with the iPod
           you won't be buying from the dozen or so other stores.
        \_ Think Different!  Buy an iPod... like everyone else.
           \_ If you're shelling out $300 based on your like/dislike of the
              ad campaign, you have way too much money.  I got an iPod for my
              wife.  Coupled with iTunes, it's stupid easy to rip and transfer
              music from our CD collection.
2004/6/27-28 [Uncategorized] UID:31031 Activity:nil
6/27    Oh dear:   -John
2004/6/27-28 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany] UID:31032 Activity:high
6/27    come on... watch the trailer.  You know you want it.
        \_ I can load up propaganda tapes from Stalin, Hitler, Musselini,
           and others if I wanted and they're better at it.
           \_ That you would even think to compare Michael Moore to Hitler and
              Stalin says a lot.
           \_ It's funny how when people like Franken or Moore create
              satirical books or movies about the right-wing propoganda
              machine, they themselves are called propagandists.
              \_ Two wrongs don't make a right.  Didn't your father teach
                 you anything?
                 \_ How is satire a wrong? Of course, in Al Franken's
                    attempt to be humorous, he actually makes factual
                    references. But I guess many people these days
                    interpret factual and funny as propoganda.
           \_ I'm really tired of Moore being called a propagandist.  He's
              a fucking filmmaker.  He tells his story.  He's not selling
              any bill of goods but his own.  If you don't buy it, don't buy
              it.  He's a citizen who sees some things that he thinks is wrong
              and points them out.  He urges others to take part in their own
              democracy.  To me, that's patriotism, not propoganda.
              \_ He sells a story for the purpose of making money while at
                 the same time spreading lies which is actually worse than
                 the Axis powers.  They weren't making money off their lies.
                 \_ Yes, Michael Moore is so unethical for making money off
                    his work.  He should aspire to the moral standard of Stalin
                    and only use his work to opress people.
                    \_ No.  It's the same.  He takes advantage of the
                       uneducated masses who still think everything on the
                       screen presented as documentary is truth.  He's
                       cynical and has a dark soul.  And you bought into his
                       lies and even worse, defend them.
                       \_ Oh, you mean the same people who think everything
                          the president says is true?   Cynical?  Dark soul?
                          I'm sure glad nobody like that is in our government.
                          \_ No, I mean the same people who think everything
                             the President says is a lie because MM told them
                             so, even when it isn't so.
                             \_ Wow, so MM makes money off his work, and this
                                makes him comparable to Stalin and Hitler?!?
                                So, what, Bay Area drivers suck, so the BA is
                                comparable to Auschwitz?  Maybe we can make
                                AL Franken into Pontius Pilate for criticizing
                                Bush.  Dumbass.
                             \_ You seem convinced that this movie is the
                                run of the mill pack-o-lies.  Have you seen
                                it yet?  If you have point out some lies.
                                If not, fuck off.
                                \_ I don't care about this discussion, but
                                   I always think this kind of defense is
                                   funny.  "Just because MM has lied
                                  every OTHER time, doesn't mean he's
                                  lying this time!  Do you have proof
                                  he's lying?" Ooookay... -jrleek
                                  \_ Your "every other time" claim needs
                                     some support.  And yes I've read the
                                     claims of lies in B4C, and I haven't
                                     seen any that weren't real stretches.
                                     \_ I was paraphrasing the post I was
                                        replying to.  -jrleek
                                        \_ So you're not jumping on the
                                           "Moore is a liar" bandwagon?
                             \_ You seem convinced that this movie is simply
                                a pack-o-lies.  Have you seen it yet?  If
                                you have point out some lies.  If not, fuck off.
                             \_ Oh, so you're upset because Michael Moore is
                                making Bush's enemies mad at Bush.  Wow,
                                you're right, he really is a dark soul.
           \_ Yeah, but anti-Stalin/Hitler/Mussolini tapes ring of truth,
              just like anti-Bush footage.  Clinton footage -- well, everyone
              knows Monica gave him head and he's a slickster.  Kerry, well,
              he hasn't gotten his chance yet.
              \_ I wasn't saying MM was similar to anti-Stalin, etc tapes.  I
                 I was saying he uses the same rhetorical tactics as those
                 people and you're all eating it up because you're being told
                 a few things that are true or kind of true so it has a ring
                 of truth and then he slips in the lies which you swallow
                \_ can you tell us what the lies you speak of are? oh, wait,
                   you don't want to see the propaganda, so you can't tell us.
        \_ Even Christopher Hitchens, who hates Ronald Reagen, wrote an
           an article called "The Lies of Michael Moore."
           \_ Ooh, now _there's_ some glowing credentials.  Hitchens is a
              scumbag editorializor who has his own massive problem with
              \- Hitchens more or less hates everyone, except maybe
                 George Orwell. I dont think anybody actually likes
                 Hitchens in a friendly kind of way. --psb
2004/6/27-28 [Computer/HW/Laptop, Recreation/Humor] UID:31033 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto Edit_by:auto
6/27    The ultimate PB accessory:
        \_ pizza box for your power book powerbook powerpizza notebook
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