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| 2004/6/25-26 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:31003 Activity:nil |
6/24 Interesting background column on Iraq's interim prime minister:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4064-2004Jun24.html |
| 2004/6/25-26 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:31004 Activity:nil |
6/24 Is there a way to download a mail folder from say hotmail to my
own computer, or the whole account, other than forwarding
to myself or click and save them one by one?
\_ for yahoo, there's something called yahoo pops. you might find
something similar for hotmail.
\_ MrPostman, a Java pop3 proxy that allow you to use regular pop3
client to download hotmail / yahoo email.
\_ try outlook or outlook express: link:csua.org/u/7xi |
| 2004/6/25 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Recreation/Music] UID:31005 Activity:nil |
6/24 http://www.onefinalnote.com/reviews/v/various-artists/no-w-now.asp |
| 2004/6/25 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:31006 Activity:nil |
6/24 Bush is God's gift to mankind. Clinton is a child rapist.
\_ Stop bringing facts into this thread.
\_ He's not bringing facts. He's just some ranting Republican.
\_ Why do you hate America?
\_ I don't hate America. I'm just saying that OP said
nothing factual.
\_ But you said you hate Bush. So surely, you must
hate America. You also like Clinton so you also
support child rapists.
\_ where's that guy that says "strawman! strawman!"??
This is definitely the right moment for him! |
| 2004/6/25-26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:31007 Activity:very high |
6/24 Ebert on Fahrenheit 9/11:
"Fahrenheit 9/11" is a compelling, persuasive film, at odds with the
White House effort to present Bush as a strong leader. He comes
across as a shallow, inarticulate man, simplistic in speech and
inauthentic in manner.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert1/cst-ftr-moore24f.html
\_ Just curious but do they call this "Fahrenheit 11/9" in
"Queen's English" speaking countries?
\_ bbc calls it exactly what we do.
\_ Ebert hates America. Boycott Ebert.
\_ Actually, 9 out of 11 movie critics on http://movies.yahoo.com love it.
\_ Exactly. 9 out of 11 liberal media critics hate America.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Fahrenheit911-1133649
\_ I *may* actually go see this, but I don't want to give MM my money,
so I'll buy a ticket to White Chicks instead and sneak into the
F911 theater.
\_ Ah, the principled conservative...
\_ No. A conservative has no interest in wasting their time
watching the propaganda of a proven liar. I wouldn't want
to see it at a free screening. It's a waste of time. The
ticket price isn't the issue.
\_ Does a conservative wasting his time posting/reading motd?
\_ Yes. It's a better use of my time than seeing Michael
Moore's propaganda. Sometimes things posted here are
actually true, context and backed by solid references.
If the motd were my only source of information on the
world I would have a more accurate picture than Michael
Moore provides.
\_ I will freely give my money to MM.
\_ Send him a check. Why are you bothering us?
\_ Why don't you want to give him your money? If you don't want to
give him money, don't see the film. If you think he's a liar (as
I believe has been shown) why would you sink to lying to see his
movie? -emarkp
\_ I agree 100% with emarkp
\_ I think people who host Fox News are proven lying scumbags.
But I still watch FNC just to keep an open mind. I tell
you, the more I watch it the lower opinion I have of
the Republican party and their media arm.
\_ Sure, but if you were a Nielsen family would you lie on
your TV diary? -emarkp
\_ We are a Nielsen family. Well, we were on Real People
back in the late 70s for being Nielsens... What was the
question? --erikred
\_ Proven lying scumbags? Perhaps youd care to share what was
said and then back that up with a reference? Proven means
you have proof.
\_ I've read both the positive and negative reviews and I'm
curious to see who I agree with, but at the same time, I do
not wish to promote this kind of "documentary" film-making
so that real documentaries like Spellbound, Home Movie, and
Fast Cheap and Out of Control don't get brushed aside. I
think MM and movies like SuperSizeMe and the critical acclaim
they are getting is the beginning of a really bad trend akin
to the horrible reality television trend we are currently
infected with. -op
\_ You mean like "The Octopus", "The Jungle", "Unsafe at any
Speed", "The American Way of Death", "Silent Spring" or
any of those other recent expose' hit pieces? Yeah, they
are really just horribly self-serving and opportunistic.
\_ I think it's hilarious that you're comparing "The
Jungle" with Super Size Me which is nothing more than
Jackass:The Movie for the liberal elite.
\_ Yeah, I think "Unsafe at any Speed" matches up
pretty well with the crap the MM produces.
\_ So split the difference. Go see a matinee after opening
weekend. That way you're not giving him much money.
-emarkp
\_ Just realized another advantage: you'll have the theater
to yourself. -emarkp
\_ He probably would anyway in most places.
\_ Here in LA on a friday night there was a lively
crowd, complete with voter registration booths,
seething hatred, and anti-Bush bumper stickers.
Santa Monica rocks. -- ilyas |
| 2004/6/25-26 [Health/Disease/General] UID:31008 Activity:high |
6/24 Insomnia, to the death:
http://csua.org/u/7x5 (NY Times)
\_ Did someone here say that he or she had worked
on similar problems? If so, with whom?
\_ The topic is quite interesting, but the writing style is barely
tolerable. E.g., "Lugaresi, a popular teacher at the University
of Bologna, is a playful man with an easy manner. In one sense
he is quintessentially Italian: the only time I saw him truly
upset was when, after taking me to an expensive restaurant,
he found out I didn't drink wine. But he is also ambitious and
willing to think outside the conventions of Italian medicine."
WTF!? Are the conventions of Italian (read "Eye-talian") that
different from "normal" medicine?
\_ Don't you see shit like this all the time: she was a Asian
\_ Don't you see shit like this all the time: she is a Asian
female but she rises above the confine of eastern tradition and
breathes through her nose. What's the fuss?
\_ I hate that shit. Stereotypes are very popular with the
lazy writer.
\_ "Paper of record" is a (positive) stereotype too. NYT
itself prefers to clasim "all news that fit to print"
itself prefers to claim "all news that fit to print"
even though it is no less ridiculous. Nuance is for
the thinking man (and woman). Don't expect it from
ANY news source.
\_ I do see quite often and it always annoys me, but it's
particularly goading to see in "The Paper of Record"
(though the Magazine is certainly fluffier than the
paper). - op of comment
\_ You hit the nail on the head. The Magazine part is
supposed to be much chummier than the regular NYT.
But I'm with you: if I wanted fluff, I'd wait for the
novelization. --op
\_ Maybe we should write a group CSUA MOTD letter to
the editor. "Dear Editor, Mongoloid, Esq., ..."
\_ Great Fortuna's Wheel! Is that a true Ignatius
lover?
\_ I noticed there was no mention of any of them commiting suicide
or requesting euthanasia. |
| 2004/6/25-26 [Computer/SW/Security, Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:31009 Activity:high |
6/24 Yay, IE6 vulnerability that affects fully patched systems, that
allows local machine access (downloading and running any .exe) on
previewing an e-mail or browsing a web site (including pop-up)!
System administrators rejoice!
http://csua.org/u/7xe
\_ IE on mac os x not affected, supposedly. :-)
\_ The payload is a Windows executable, but I wonder if the same
IE hole doesn't exist on Macs too...
\_ It's probably not as easy to execute arbitrary due to diff.
in underlying API. Also the mac division of MS is complete
separate and semi-autonomous/forgotten from the rest.
\_ But the report I read from the "Get the Facts" Roadshow said
that Microsoft is the fastest at fixing security holes!
\_ That's because their security holes are all the same. They just
keep on making the same mistakes over and over again. Besides,
how hard is it to fix a buffer overrun hole?
\_ Infect yourself! (with a "harmless" one)
http://62.131.86.111/security/idiots/repro/installer.htm
It overwrites C:\Program Files\Windows Media Player\wmplayer.exe
and runs the new one, then restores it when it's done.
\_ Gee, this sounds like GREAT advice.
\_ Has no visible effect on safari.
\_ sploit only affects IE, and probably only on Windows. |
| 2004/6/25-26 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:31010 Activity:insanely high |
6/25 Why did both the Mongols and the Manchus move their capitals to Beijing
when they conquered China respectively? Why would a superior country
want to move its capital from home to the inferior country that it
conquered?
\_ Haven't you ever read The Prince by Machiavelli? A full explanation
of why it's a good idea to move your rule to conquered territory
is contained in that.
\_ Your lack of historical knowledge is truly appalling. The Mongols
and the Manchus conquered China with the help of other Chinese
factions. In order to maintain China as a unified whole it was
always necessary to keep the capital in Beijing. Also, the
Mongol hordes were nomadic so they didn't exactly have a
concept of centralized government or planning. In order to
rule China proper they had to inherit the vast bureaucracy of
the previous dynasty.
\_ I see. My historial knowledge only came from three years of
Chinese Histroy classes in high school plus all those Mandarin
TV dramas on Ch26 over the years.
\_ next time stay awakey
\_ next time stay awake
\_ Thanks, Pai Mei. Now, go ahead and eat those fish heads.
\_ I would like to add several things. First. Beijing was a
small town prior to Mogols established its dynasty. The logic
behind establishing a city up in the north is that, believe or
not, they want to be able to bail out relatively easily in case
things went wrong (which it did in a relatively a short time of
120 years). Ming Dynasty, the dynasty established by ethnic
Hans, originally established the capital in Nanjing. It took
a political coup and an emporer of grand vision to decide that
it's easier to finish those mongols off if the capital is up
north. Manchus, the dynasty after that, decided that they
really don't need to burn down the perfectly fine palace like
all other ruling family did. So, they inheired the palace and
expanded. Mind you that at the time, Manchuria was three times
larger than what present Manchuria was. So, lattatude wise, it
was pretty close the centered. -kngharv
[motd formatd: learn to queue in line]
\_ Thanks for the insight! -- OP
\_ I am sure OP was a troll but just to amend what you wrote.
Beijing has been a town of varying significance for a very
long time, going back to at least to the 11th century BC when
it was the capital of the principality of Yan. There were
many periods prior to the Mongol when it was not a small town.
many periods prior to the Mongol when it was >> a small town.
\_ nah, before the Mongols invaded China, northern China was
already conquered by the Jurchens and it is called the
Jin. Southern China is called the Sung (or Southern Sung,
after it lost the north). Jin fell in 1234, and Mongols
started building Daidu (Beijing) in 1267. Sung survived until
1279. I think the Mongols were just too lazy to move again.
Daidu is also close to the capital of Jin and the capital
of the Liao, so it's not like it's built out of nowhere.
Same for the Manchus, they did not have a tight grip on
southern China until much later after they conquered the
north, so they already established the capital in the north.
\_ All the stuff you said didn't contradict with what I
mentioned. Again, there are a lot of historical reasons
why Beijing became a city of importance. And to the Han
Chauvinist below, Beijing became important mainly due to
minority tribe's effort. Important Han capitals are
LuoYang, KaiFeng, and to lesser extent, ChangAn.
-mutt blood
\_ ok ok, I don't disagree with you. Another reason
is simply that the capital followed the economic
center of the country, which was originally
further west in chang'an and luoyang with its rich
loess plains. later on, due to weather changes,
that region became less important.
And then whomever ruled the Zhong Yuan plain, the
biggest undivided (by rivers and mountains)
piece of real estate of China, tend to eventually
conquer and rule the whole country, so the capital
moved there (kaifung, liao and jin capitals, daidu,
...). Economic center later shifted further to the
south, so sometimes, a southern capital was also
viable. Another argument is that China's threats
historically (and in modern times too) tend to come
from the north, so it was better to have the capital
there to better deal with these threats. Army
became more centrally controlled (to reduce chance
of regional "warlords" becoming too powerful), but
then it needed to be closer to where the external
threat was. Having it in the Yangtze region would
mean the reaction time would be way too slow for
any disturbance in the north.
\_ Better housing? And easier to govern the country from a more
central location? Just my guess.
\_ Central location is the most common capital placement,
though border changes may leave the original capital
in an unusual position (Washington DC).
\_ But Beijing's location is strikingly similar to Washington DC.
It was already not the central location when they moved the
capitals there.
\_ better babes!
\_ Have you been to beijing?
\_ GWB has and he agrees.
\_ GWB isn't looking for tail. You mean Clinton.
\_ GWB went to Beijing decades ago so he could cuz
\_ GWB went to Beijing decades ago cuz
of the hot babes there. He admitted as much.
\_ Have you been to Mongolia?
\_ Are you gay?
\_ I like this beijing babe:
http://starfaye.free.fr/english/Bio1.htm
\_ This is not a babe. This is a stick insect in a
sweater.
She is Manchu / Jurchen ... whose ancestors ruled
northern China when the Mongols invaded.
\_ Why did the europeans move their capitals to america?
\_ They did? Wasn't London still the British capital back then, for
example?
\_ That's the capital for the folks left behind.
\_ why not? really, why not? Things like this happened more often
in history (not just in China) than you may have heard.
\_ Because they knew their civilization sucked, and in the long run,
their only hope was to get assimilated into the Great Han Civilization
- Great Han Chauvinist
their only hope was to get assimilated into the Great Han
Civilization - Great Han Chauvinist
\_ ohh please, I can almost guarentee that you are a mutt too.
It's impossible to find pure Han in China after thousands of
years of wild sex.
\_ can't you tell what is a troll?
\_ unfortunately, there are small number of people who really
think that way, I am afraid this is not.
\_ But you are wrong in this case. Real Han Chauvinists
don't call themselves Chauvinist, except for this one
kook on the usenet. By the way, do you have some
historical grievances against the Great Han
Civilization? Did we subject your lesser barbaric
"civilization" to annual tribute of material goods
and beautiful women, as acknowledgement of our
superiority? Did we administer a tender loving
chastisement on your minor tribe when you tried to rebel
like a naughty child? Believe me, it's for your own
good, and only helps to pull you out of your miserable
stone-age barbaric existence. Learn to live with it
or be conquered. Either way you will be assimilated
into the Great Han Civilization. Don't choose the
painful way. - Great Han Chauvinist
\_ Why do you hate Mongols?
\_ Goddamn Mongolian! You break down my shitty wall last time! |
| 2004/6/25-26 [Finance/Investment] UID:31011 Activity:high |
6/25 What is a commmon ratio between wholesale and normal retail
prices? I assume it exists as economic forces would equilize
widely unequal margins.
\_ totally depends on the type of goods and their cost
\_ Margin - cost ratio should be relatively uniform or people
all flock to trade the ones with higher profit.
\_ uh, no. -tom
\_ You poor idealistic fool.
\_ You say what I learned in Econ 1 is wrong?
\_ No, I say you don't understand what they were telling
you in Econ 1. Wholesale vs. retail price is only
one of many factors in determining profit margin. -tom
\_ I think >5% for new cars, 1-2% for groceries.
\_ I think you are thinking of net not gross.
\_ If you don't move a lot of volume, you ned a higher markup to cover
\_ If you don't move a lot of volume, you need a higher markup to cover
your overhead (think jewelery). If you move a lot of product
(milk in grocery stores) or your product is very expensive (cars)
than you can cover overhead with a smaller margin.
\_ Is there a place to look up actual stat. for different classes
of product?
\_ My mom is in retail (women's clothing) and she normally doubles the
wholesale cost. She gives her employees 30% off, which is what she
considers her break-even point.
\- hello since i am stuck in my office for 45 min ...
the econ1 is view roughly "in competitive markets rents or
surplus profits cannot be extracted". this means the return
on capital is about the same. in other words, what a company
selling plums or highend stereos makes on a $1m of investment
isnt going to be too different [as well as the returns at
different stages of the pipeline ... assuming each stage is
competitive]. how ever costs != wholesale cost. obviously
in the case of safeway, s significant portion of the safeway
price of a tomato is going to be what they are paying their
supplier. in the case of diamond, there is the advertising,
in the case of highend stereos, you have to invest more in
salesmen than you do if you are selling tomatos. naturally
this is wildly simplified and it's not immediately obvious
when a mkt is competitive. in fact you may go backwards and
look to see if excess profits appear to be present somewhere
as a sign of mkt power ... although i dont know too much about
econometrics in terms of what can be observed cheeply/accurately
and with fair preceision. so it may be reasonable to ask what
the w'sale/retail markup is in some domain [although what that
domain is isnt clear ... mcdonald probably has larger margins
on coke and fries than 99cent double cheeseburgers] but that
is not a "globallly conserved property" ... also it is unclear
over what large domain you would expect equillibriation ...
states, nations, world, local markets etc. microecon is the
basics for this question but then you can do into econometrics
or IO. IO is pretty interesting. |
| 2004/6/25-26 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:31012 Activity:kinda low |
6/25 Wow, that's neat. Firefox 0.9 doesn't load http://drudgereport.com. (gets stuck loading the ad) Is that a bug or a feature? \_ worked for me then i hit reload now it doesnt work. ff.9 actually, it loaded just took a while. ie took a while as well. \_ Do you have http pipelining enabled? Does it not work at all, or just take a very long time? Finally, are you blocking the ads? I'm trying to reduce a test case; I've seen this on http://cnn.com too. \_ I turned on pipelining via modifying prefs.js, and it still takes ~ 30 seconds to load either way. IE loads drudgereport right away. Apparently the banner ad is slow -- this stalls firefox, but IE renders the rest of the page anyway. The firefox pop-up blocker option on/off does not affect this. \_ The ad server seems not to be up at all. It stalls both mozilla and IE for me. \_ Actually, I was thinking that pipelining was causing the problem (eg, by forcing the page rendering to wait for the img data)... also, about:config >>> prefs.js |
| 2004/6/25-26 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:31013 Activity:insanely high |
6/25 What percent of security holes would be solved by banning strcpy()
in favor of strncpy()?
\_ probably not much, since they're all coming to be php bugs these
days.
\_ Or using Java instead of C (no buffer overrun)?
\_ It is not always possible to use java. I have customers
who tell me that they will not allow a jvm to run on
their systems for security reasons (the sun jvm cannot
be audited by their internal code reviewers). For such
people the only choice is C (don't tell me to write a
network application in lisp, just don't). I have other
customers who need software that will run within a 16 mb
memory footprint. Unless you use Java MicroEdition it is
not possible to get java to standup and do something
useful on such systems. Even with ME, it is tough since
lots of libs aren't available in ME.
\_ Any other cool things Java invented that we should know about?
-- ilyas
\_ I'm not sure that the PP said or implied anything that this
response is relevant to. Perhaps if you externalized your
wit a little more, your point would be less obscure.
\_ Sorry I wasn't trying to be witty. It's a bit of a sore
point with me when people advocate the worst possible
language with good_feature_001. For instance "We chose
perl because perl has GC." -- ilyas
\_ heh, my favourite feature in any programming language
is how much I'd be paid to program in it. Currently
msvc++ 6.0 is my mostest fav. language. - pst
\_ Ahh, okay. Thanks for clarifying.
\_ You should probably inform all those fortune 500
companies out there that they're using the worst
possible language then.
\_ Ah yes, the Fortune 500, the yardstick of
technological sanity, and general common sense.
-- ilyas
\_ OK, academia, global 2000, most web shops,
most enterprise software companies...
\_ We've had similar arguments on the motd many
times before, and I tire of them. They boil
down to "popular!=good". Anyone familiar with
MS Windows knows this. Let's change the
subject, shall we? -- ilyas
\_ But "popular != bad". Get off of your
Ocaml horse and join the rest of us
grunts.
\_ I like things other than ocaml. I even
think ruby's kind of neat (if only someone
would get off their lazy ass and write
a good compiler for it). Anyways, it's
true that popular != bad, but if you think
Java == good, I weep for your immortal
soul. -- ilyas
\_ I weep for your soul if you think the
mess that is functional programming
is good.
\_ Want a hanky? I am well aware this
is a troll, but I ll try to speak
in good faith. I don't know where
you got the idea that I like
'functional programming.' I like
things like lisp, and it is true
that lisp is more 'functional' than
Java, but lisp is also more
'object oriented' than Java, since
CLOS is much more powerful than
Java's object system, and lisp is
also more 'procedural' than Java,
if for no other reason than
because it doesn't have the moronic
statement/expression duality.
Languages that I tend to like tend
to be multi-paradigm languages.
The radical idea being that
different jobs require different
approaches. -- ilyas
\_ wow. get a slow ass application just to avoid using strncpy
\_ have you checked out the latest in Java with regards to
performance? It's not 1997 anymore...
\_ yes, 30 times slower than C++, 15 times slower than .Net
\_ we're talking about a real implementation, not your
half-baked hobbyist implementation.
\_ then again we didn't use super servers for the java
application
\_ It's not really an answerable question, but if you're in a
position to encourage/mandate its use, it's a good idea-- note
also the strl* family from openbsd. Having BSD code is nice because
you can wedge it into systems that don't provide it themselves.
\_ strncpy sucks too; it's not guaranteed to null-terminate the
destination string. Use strncat instead.
\_ I would recommend using snprintf instead of the str* functions.
snprintf will tell you if the buffer size has been exceeded,
while the others won't. Also snprintf guarantees that the string
will be null terminated.
\_ snprintf wasn't added to the C standard library until C99, but
most people still have C89 implementations. Also, although many
libraries provided their own snprintf function, the exact
behavior varies slightly from implementation to implementation. |
| 2004/6/25-26 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:31014 Activity:kinda low |
6/25 http://www.freepress.net/rules FCC attempt to relax media ownership rules overturned yesterday. \_ So... do the new regulation disagree with the constitution of \_ So... do the new regulations disagree with the constitution of some existing law? \_ Clearly this is a result of the ring wing controlled fascist BushCo state thwarted in their attempt to gain control of the ring wing controll fascist business owned media conglomerates! \_ no, it's the corporate controlled BushCo state thwarted in their attempt to further reduce competition and alternative voices. -tom |
| 2004/6/25-27 [Computer/SW/OS/Misc, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:31015 Activity:nil |
6/25 If you are running ISC Dhcpd 3.0.1rc{12,13} consider upgrading
to rc14:
http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/techalerts/TA04-174A.html |
| 2004/6/25-26 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:31016 Activity:nil |
6/25 OpenBSD SMP support now available on Opteron:
http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20040625160304 |
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