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| 2004/6/23 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:30964 Activity:very high |
6/23 Read the interrogation memos yourself:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62516-2004Jun22.html
Start with Feb. 1, 2002 (John Ashcroft's letter), it's short.
Then go to Feb. 7, 2002 (Bush's memo).
Now, my question: Why isn't anyone talking about the "UN Convention
Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or
Punishment", which I believe should apply to everyone, al Qaeda
included?
Anyway, those two are really short reads, and it's interesting to
see how the AP mischaracterizes some parts.
\_ Another point is the Geneva Convention covers warfare between nation
states, the Bush administration decided the taliban and
al-queda are not valid nation states, so the geneva
convention does not apply to such prisoners. I don't
agree at all but that's their reasoning.
\_ Yeah, to put it succinctly, if you read the two memos I
highlighted --
Ashcroft said: Afghanistan is a failed state! Therefore,
GC does not apply to Taliban.
Bush said: I accept what Ashcroft said (and if he's wrong,
he takes all the blame). But, I still say the
Taliban should be covered by GC, but I reserve
the right to remove GC coverage later.
\_ Conversely, it's therefore okay for non-nation states to torture
others since they are not signatories of the Geneva Convention.
\_ It's not quite conversely. Let's say al Qaeda chops off
heads in Iraq. Then they could be prosecuted by the Iraqi
government for murder, or extradited to the U.S. The
difference is, that if the U.S. tortures al Qaeda people
in Guantanamo, no one cares. If the U.S. abuses an
al Qaeda suspect who turns out to be innocent and people
complain about it, then you have problems.
\_ If the US doesn't torture a guy who had information that
would have lead to saving thousands more American lives,
you'd be the first to bitch about it and blame Bush.
\_ Okay, I'm answering my own question:
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu2/6/cat/treaties/convention-reserv.htm
See United States of America. On signing, the USA made an
exception for itself. They took out "degrading". Haha, I can't
believe it was that straightforward. Hahahahaha ... it's totally
legal for U.S. forces to treat those not covered by GC in a
degrading way. This is what Bush means by never condoning torture
or anything illegal, which is "true".
Also, see this for the legal aspects behind torture at Guantanamo:
http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000865.php
Bottom line: It's *all* legal!
(if they wanted to use torture there)
\_ Well, the beating to death stuff is still illegal.
\_ According to what you've posted, making prisoners stand naked
would be acceptable. Sexual assault, violence, and murder,
however, would still be considered inhumane and would therefore
constitute violations of the conventions. In other words, Pfc
England would be within the good zone if she just pointed, but
would be in the bad zone if she touched.
\_ Sexual assault, violence, and murder would be legal for
an al Qaeda member at Guantanamo. Iraq is fully covered
by GC, on the other hand. This is the Bybee memo that
the Bush adminstration has been disavowing as "too broad,
theoretical" for the last two days.
\_ No, murder, sexual assault (rape), and some forms of
violence would still not be ok.
\_ Not according to the Bush Administration. Well,
they would be "not okay" by policy, but Bush
claims that he is above the law and that the
Administration could not be punished by any
judge or legislative act. So the prison guards
could rape away without fear of any punishment
if that was Administration policy. Or so they
claim.
\_ Bullshit. Show me where Bush said murder and rape
are ok in any American controlled prison.
\_ Don't forget: Iraq, it's not legal; Guantanamo,
legal for al Qaeda members. -op
\_ That's right, torture/killing of al Qaeda members at
Guantanamo is "not okay" (Bush said don't do it), but
it's "legal". Big difference. -op
\_ Torture, yes, of course. Killing, no. It is
intellectually dishonest to use "torture/killing"
as a one word phrase when only one part of it is
true.
\_ Let's put it this way: If an al Qaeda member
ends up dead at Guantanamo from a torture session
gone wrong, what charge will be brought?
Can we at least say that this manner of killing
is legal, as determined by the Bush adminstration? |
| 2004/6/23 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:30965 Activity:kinda low |
6/23 Does anyone SSH via scotch.csua, port 80? I am seeing a lot of
lag via scotch versus SSH directly to csua. I want to confirm
this before emailing root.
\_ network lag is more widespread on scotch then just ssh tunneling.
looking into it - erikk |
| 2004/6/23 [Reference/BayArea, Transportation/Car] UID:30966 Activity:very high |
6/23 Does street sweeping actually serve a purpose, or is this just another
Big Government conspiracy to give sinecures to the well-connected?
\_ You think the well-connected are driving street sweepers and
parking control vehicles?
\_ It keeps things looking nice, and in many places generates extra
revenue from parking tickets. win win!
\_ It also prevents trash from accumulating inside storm drains
so when the rains come, you don't get clogged drains/sewers.
\_ At the west end of the Sunset district in SF, sand from the
beach is a bigger problem than trash, and the streets are
swept twice a week.
\_ It probably does not have to be done every week, but when you
see places where it's not done regularly, you will notice!
\_ Many places in oakland, it's every other night. Seems more like
a money grab to me.
\_ Many businesses hose down the area in front of their stores.
The trash that accumulates there ends up in the gutter.
Without street cleaning, all of that ends up in drains/sewers.
Flooding ensues.
\-in my neighborhood, weekly seems excessive [p'hill, SF].
i think it is a patronage system [more street sweeping
volume = more jobs to be handed out by the city, or larger
contract]. as well as a revenue system. i think the fines
are way to high [i think they are $40 in SF now]. --psb
\_ You are giving way too much credit for such low level
patronage. And if the fine were cheaper, they'd never
get some SF streets swept.
\- can you explain to me why the blocked fire hydrant
fine is lower than the street sweeping fine?
because the leaves in the gutters spontaneously
ignite? how about cracking down on illegitimate
handicapped permits. my understanding is there
are more of thise permits issued in SF than there
are parking meters. --psb
\- hmm according to a different source, the FH
may $50 vs $40. --psb
\_ Because if your car is in the way, the fire
department can destroy it to reach the hydrant.
Fines are meant to deter, not overly punish.
\_ Not quite. Fines are meant to be pesky. Low
enough that it doesn't deter, high enough
to be worth paying the issuer. I'll go back
to the Oakland example. You can't find
parking anywhere around Grand. It's 2
in the morning. You're exhausted. The
street sweeping time ends at 3. Is it
worth $30 to drive around for 1/2hr trying
to find a different spot, or to go to
Merritt Diner until 3? Sometimes yes,
sometimes no.
\_ lol. spoken like someone who's never tried to get
a low level job working for a big city or known anyone
who has.
know the right person -> city job -> sit on your ass
and get >50k/yr
This low level patronage system is what makes the
Democratic party power machine work in big cities...
how do you think that the corrupt Democratic mayors
keep their ironclad support from the Unions for
decades?
\_ Your tinfoil hat's crooked.
\_ Obviously someone who doesn't understand what true
patronage is. Street sweeping, while not overly
difficult. Hardly falls under patronage.
\_ You. Have. Some. Punctuation. Difficulties.
\_ Uhm...he has *one*.
\_ But it's a really stupid one.
\_ If you want to see sinecure in action, check out the guys who
clean up the parks; on any given morning, they spend 2-3 hours
sitting in their trucks reading newspapers.
\_ I cleaned up peoples park for a couple weeks. most of the
people cleaning the parks are doing community service because
they did something stupid and are carrying out some sort of
sentence.
\_ Just because municipal employees are overpaid and lazy doesn't
mean they got their jobs through patronage (at least the
low-level employees). It's hard to fire someone and there's not
too much pressure for good performance. |
| 2004/6/23 [Recreation/Activities] UID:30967 Activity:low |
6/23 Helo has anyone been to vernal/nevada falls in the last couple of
weeks. I am wondering if the falls are running high or low.
I will be in the area soon and am wondering if worth the detour
[will be more inclined to go, if water is high]. ok tnx.
\_ should be fine at this time of the year. how high do you
want it to be, like during the big washout?
\_ i was there about a month ago and did the mist trail and nevada
hike... the upper rim trails were still closed w/ snow and
the falls were pretty full (reminded me of wet years in
the early 80s when i was a kid). a ranger we spoke to thought they
were already peaking for the season. i'm sure they're still pretty
nice. several ephemeral falls were flowing last month including
one ov er the royal arches that i don't remember. --karlcz
\_ p.s. http://www.isi.edu/~karlcz/yose-2004-spring |
| 2004/6/23 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:30968 Activity:nil |
6/23 Viral therapy for cocaine addicts:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996055
\_ It's technically more like gene therapy, with a virus used
as the delivery vector. I worked on something tangentially
related to this a few years ago. |
| 2004/6/23 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:30969 Activity:insanely high |
6/23 Why Do You Hate America, not a straw man:
HANNITY: (to attorney Stanley Cohen) "Is it you hate this
president or that you hate America?" (4/30/03)
HANNITY: "Governor, why wouldn't anyone want to say the Pledge
of Allegiance, unless they detested their own country or were ignorant
of its greatness?" (6/12/03)
HANNITY: "You could explain something about your magazine,
[the Nation]. Lisa Featherstone writing about the hate
America march, the [anti-war] march that took place over the
weekend..." (1/22/03)
HANNITY: "'I hate America.' This is the extreme left. There
is a portion of the left -- not everybody who's left -- that
does hate this country and blame this country for the
ills of the world..." (1/23/02)
HANNITY: (speaking to Sara Flounders co-director of the
International Action Center) "You don't like this country,
do you? You don't -- you think this is an evil country. By
your description of it right here, you think it's a
bad country." (9/25/01)
\_ It's a straw man. Hannity is a political commentator who gets
paid millions of dollars to be controversial. Hannity does not
read the motd. At best you had 1 random idiot almost 3 years
ago saying anything like that. Get over yourself.
\_ Wow, I never realized how fair and unbiased Fox News was.
\_ Why do you hate America?
\_ You know the difference between news and opinion, right?
Hannity has a talk show, not a news show. Grow up.
\_ I liked Orson Scott Card's assessment of Hannity as "relentlessly
dim". He and Rush are a burden we conservatives bear. I wish they
would both just go away. -emarkp
\_ as opposed to the brilliant insights of Orson Scott Card. -tom
\_ But if one conservative says something, that means all
conservatives believe it, right?
\_ How often do you hear conservatives vocally reject what
Hannity does? If you don't want his bullshit to reflect
on you, you have to say so. And I'm not talking about
random people on the motd. I'm talking congressmen...
\_ I wouldn't expect a high-placed politician to bother
responding to a nutty media figure, regardless of their
political affiliation. What I might expect is some rebuke
from a more sane conservative media figure, such as
Bill O'Reilly. (Did I just use 'Bill O'Reilly' and 'sane'
in the same sentence?)
\_ BOR isn't a Republican. Why would a Republican like
Hannity care? Why would a non-Republican feel the need
to 'correct' Hannity?
\_ Rush Limbaugh got a special award from the Republican
Congress in 1998. So not only do they not refute
him, they hold him up as an example.
\_ I wonder how many of you Rush haters have ever
actually listened to him for more than 5 minutes
total.
\_ How often do you hear liberals vocally reject what
[Micheal Moore/NY Times Editorial page/Al Franken/other
left-wing Media idiot does]? If you don't want his
bullshit to reflect on you, you have to say so. And I'm
not talking about random people on the motd. I'm
talking congressmen...
\_ Al Franken is more of a comedian who likes to satire
wacko Republicans like Bill O'Reilly. I wouldn't
really say he's a propagandist. People like Rush
and Ann Coulter, on the other hand, ARE serious and
their audiences do take them seriously
\_ Al Franken is a comedian like Rush is a comedian.
They are both entertainment figures. You can't
dismiss and disavow your looney while pegging the
other guy's with theirs.
\_ Most of the time when a "left-wing Media idiot" says
something that's controversial, it's Unsavory, uncouth or
in poor taste, but not factually wrong or an ad-hominem
attack. Moore's "Bush is a liar" stuff may not win the
left any points, but it is true.
\_ Uhm, but it isn't. Whatever.
\_ Uhm, but it isn't true. Whatever.
\_ I like your equation of a humorist, a propagandist, and
the editorial page of the NYTimes. None of them are
really related at all except in your little mind.
\_ It's not bigger a strech than equating Hannity,
Rush, and Coulter with all other conservatives.
You realize Rush considers himself an
entertainer/humorist? Hamnity probaly considers
himself an editorializer... etc. Since the point
was to emphasize the sillyness of your accusations by
applying them to the left as you apply them to the
right, I would say my post succeeded beautifully.
\_ Uhm, okay. I guess you have a different definition
of "entertainment" and "humor" but in my book
Rush ain't either one.
\_ Ummm... did I say anything about what I
consider humor or entertainment? No.
Re-read post. "Rush considers himself an
entertainer/humorist[.]" Now explain to me
where it says in there what _I_ think of
Rush.
\_ Well, if you took it in context instead
of picking out individual senetences, you
were commenting about how unfair it was
to lump people like Rush, BOR, and Ann
as a single group. What purpose did your
sentence (the one commenting about how
Rush sees himself as a humorist) serve other
than to prove that he shouldn't be lumped
in with other Republican lunatics like
BOR and Ann Coulter?
\_ The point being that they're all
different types a lunatic, silly. It
may surprise you to know, I don't
like ANY of those 3. SURPRISE! If
you want context, why don't you read
the whole discussion? |
| 2004/6/23 [Finance/Banking, Computer/HW/Drives] UID:30970 Activity:nil |
6/23 Does the post office generally sell CD mailers (something sturdy to
ship a CD in) or do I need to stop at Office Depot on the way to
the post office?
\_ Depends on the PO. Better to stop at OD or Staples and get
one since the PO generally overcharges for stuff like that. |
| 2004/6/23 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:30971 Activity:insanely high |
6/23 How many members of the Bush Administration are needed
to replace a light bulb?
The Answer is SEVEN:
1. One to deny that a light bulb needs to be replaced,
2. One to attack and question the patriotism of anyone who has
questions about the light bulb,
\_ WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?
3. One to blame the Clinton administration for the need of a new
light bulb,
4. One to arrange the invasion of a country rumored to have a secret
stockpile of light bulbs,
5. One to get together with Vice President Cheney and well, no, no one
would want to be in the same room with Vice President Cheney.
6. One to arrange a photo-op session showing Hillary changing the light
bulb while carrying a tray of cookies she baked herself.
7. And finally, one to explain to Bush the difference between
screwing a light bulb and screwing the country and screwing an
intern.
8. And one more to explain that when your penis enters a woman's
mouth, that is sex, no matter what the definition of 'is' is.
\_ That's a waste of tax payers' money. Bush still would not
know the difference.
\_ AWESOME!!
\_ what are all these light bulb parts ending up in foreign country
scrap yards?
scrap yards like Kosovo and the Sudan and Afganistan?
\_ they just removed the filaments and discarded the shells |
| 2004/6/23 [Computer/SW/P2P, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:30972 Activity:high |
6/23 http://bugmenot.com \_ shit, stop sharing this stuff. the more you advertise something the this the faster it becomes completely useless. |
| 2004/6/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:30973 Activity:very high |
6/23 NYTimes reviews "Fahrenheit 9/11" -dgies
http://movies2.nytimes.com/2004/06/23/movies/23FAHR.html
/csua/tmp/fahrenheit911.txt
\_ "Mr. Moore is often impolite, rarely subtle and occasionally unwise.
He can be obnoxious, tendentious and maddeningly self-contradictory.
He can drive even his most ardent admirers crazy. He is a credit to
the republic."
See, I don't understand this. To a partial observer like myself,
this just looks like, for lack of a better term, cocksucking.
-- ilyas
\_ Yes, because all begrudging praise for people we don't like is
cocksucking. Cheney? Likes to have "swordfights" in his mouth.
Bush? Satisfies the rich and loves bukakke. See how fun this is?
\_ Sure, I understand begrudging praise. But I don't understand
how in this particular case, the praise follows from what was
previously said. Being rarely subtle and obnoxious does not
make one a credit to anything, be it one's parents, one's
race, one's country... -- ilyas
\_ There are any number of comedians, actors and politicians
to whom the same adjectives would apply, and they are just
as much a credit to this country as this author posits
for Michael Moore. -scotsman
\_ Like Al Franken and his popular radio show!
\_ Yes, but those characteristics don't make them a credit.
Those characteristics are negative. Hence my problem.
-- ilyas
\_ It's not an if-then. It's "He all these things that
people tar him with, and thank god he's there." Those
characteristics aren't necessarily negative. -scotsman
\_ All those characteristics make him a credit to his
country if his country also exemplifies those
characteristics.
\_ perms
\_ fixed, sorry.
\_ It's funny that f911 is rated R and The Green Berets is rated G.
\_ why is this even an issue? are there kids who aren't 17 now
who will somehow manage to vote later this year?
\_ Have you *seen* the Green Berets?
\_ Did you see Burning Columbine? footage of executions, etc.
PG-13
\_ Do you mean "Bowling for Columbine"?
\_ Seeing corpses of actual people is probably more disturbing
than phony violence. Nothing wrong with that but it's not
PG-13.
\_ I see dead people... on the news. I think. It's all kind of
a haze mixed with the web media. A corpse is a corpse, of
course, of course, and kids can look at a corpse of course,
that is, of course, unless the corpse is in Fahrenheit 911.
Thousands of folks with their kids went to look at Reagan's
corpse, boxed though it was. There are hanging Jesus corpses
in all the churches. Bah.
\_ This must be a troll. I can't believe you can't tell the
difference between showing a 15 year old cartoon violence
and showing a 15 year old the bullet riddled dehumanised
corpse of some poor dumb dead bastard lying in the street.
Or between a dead guy in a box and the same corpse in the
street. Or between a symbolic carving or Jesus on a stick
and a dirty bloodied corpse in the street. Go away, troll.
\_ You think 15 year olds aren't on the web? I remember
being 15. It depends on how it's presented, but don't
doubt those FPS-playing, pot smoking sex-having kids
are exposed to much worse if they so choose. They
saw jets flying into the WTC.
\_ Hi Lea. Sign your name.
\_ I always sign my name iff it's mine. This isn't.
-chialea
\_ Are you trying to make it rhyme?
\_ What's more amusing is that Moore appealed the rating because
an R-rating might decrease the audience. Sorry Moore, the
rating system is on the content, no the /in/tent.
\_ http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723
\_ Why do you hate America? |
| 2004/6/23-24 [Transportation/Bicycle] UID:30975 Activity:very high |
6/23 Now that you've tricked your civic, why not trick your bike:
http://www.turbospoke.com/global/products.asp
\_ hmmm. I might just have to get some of that shit for my unicycle.
now *that* will be cool.
\_ I don't think it would work on a unicycle; the pipe would
get in the way of the cranks/your legs. -tom
\_ well, if you mounted it along the bar, then yeah, it'll
be pointing straight down and hence in the way, but
if you built a little mounting bracket right under the seat
so it went horizontally, right out from the back of the
seat, you'd be ok. of course, for what these hosers are
charging i'll probably just build it myself...with a
flame jet!
\_ sure it'll work, but you'd have to mount it differently.
just make a bracket right under the seat that mounts it
horizontally going out from under the back of the seat.
i think having shoot flames would also be a good idea.
it would look like a fart.
\_ but you can attach a big spoiler under the seat post.
\_ Why do you hate linux?
\_ huh? |
| 2004/6/23-24 [Uncategorized] UID:30976 Activity:moderate |
6/23 Breakdancing Transformers:
http://www.wilenkin.com/transformers/Video_player_06_content.html
\_ Excellent! I bet they do an amazing Robot.
\_ Why do you hate dancing robots? |
| 2004/6/23-24 [Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:30977 Activity:very high |
6/23 pf now in netbsd current:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.netbsd.devel.cvs/48868
\_ It was a bit ugly to get working in fbsd. How hard was it to
get installed and running on netbsd?
\_ How ugly? Compiled right out of ports on my 5.2 box. Works
a charm. -John
\_ You need to build a custom kernel.
\_ You do? Seemed to work in 5.2.1 by just typing make
install in /usr/ports.
\_ Why do you hate hackers?
\_ Didn't on mine. The GENERIC kernel options weren't
quite right.
\_ Wow you are really cool. Will you impregnate my sister. |
| 2004/6/23 [Politics/Domestic] UID:30978 Activity:nil |
6/23 [ Deleted. Loser Republicans keep modifying other people's posts ]
\_ MOTD Republicans tend to be very childish, and lack sense of
humor. |
| 2004/6/23-24 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Disease/General] UID:30979 Activity:high |
6/23 http://csua.org/u/7w8 The boy's mutant DNA segment was found to block production of a protein called myostatin that limits muscle growth. The news comes seven years after researchers at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore created buff "mighty mice" by "turning off" the gene that directs cells to produce myostatin. "Now we can say that myostatin acts the same way in humans as in animals," said the boy's physician, Dr. Markus Schuelke, a professor in the child neurology department at Charite/University Medical Center Berlin. "We can apply that knowledge to humans, including CREATING MUTANT SUPER-SOLDIERS THAT CAN CRUSH THE SKULLS OF THEIR ENEMIES WITH THEIR BARE HANDS. MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!1!!" \_ Why do you hate DNA? \_ Thinking like this will destabalize the human genome for generations to come. \_ Why do you hate children? \_ Because when you have them your freedom goes away. |
| 2004/6/23-24 [Recreation/Dating] UID:30980 Activity:very high |
6/23 Dear gmail users, did getting a gmail account help you get laid?
\_ I've had mine for about 4 hours. No luck so far.
\_ Yes, I started getting a chance to offer people new accounts,
which I have successfully bartered for sex.
\_ gmail took 1/2 hour to deliver the mail to the chick who was
supposed to have sex with me and by then it was too late.
Is this normal? (the half hour mail delivery, not the inablity
to wait).
\_ i finally scored with my left hand
\_ You scored in your own end zone, dewd
\_ Someone invite me so I can get laid too...
\_ Why do you hate women?
\_ I will sleep with you if you offer me a gmail account.
\_ I really hope that's georgy. Probably not, but I can hope.
\_ what's your login? -aspo
\_ If i've been getting laid before, does it count if I'm still getting
laid after? |
| 2004/6/23 [Recreation/Media] UID:30981 Activity:nil |
6/23 some links for ax:
http://busty.pl/html/preview.html
\_ jesus christ
http://sportsbybrooks.com/events.html
\_ THANKS!! -ax |
| 2004/6/23-24 [Uncategorized] UID:30982 Activity:insanely high |
6/23 If SBC provides fiber-to-the-node (FTTN) service, and the node is split
\_ Verizon calls this FTTP (fiber to the premise).
to 500 residences, what is the bandwidth to the node, and max
bandwidth from a node to the customer premise?
\_ it all depends on how many strands of fiber and what
they run over that fiber. too many variables to speculate
\_ The City of Burbank uses fiber extensively bc of all their studios
and stuff. They have hundreds of strands going all over. They could
easily provide 100mbps or even gig to homes. The limitation would
probably the cost of the upstream bandwidth. Isn't that also the
case with DSL?
\_ Why do you hate high bandwidth?
\_ because nerds love it. |
| 2004/6/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:30983 Activity:high |
6/23 http://tinyurl.com/3yfaq (news.yahoo.com) Holy shit! How do *I* get into the parties they're attending?! \_ I have invites...who wants them. \_ marry Jeri Ryan \_ Is this the same one who played Seven Of Nine? That dude is strange if he's married to Seven Of Nine and wants to go the xxx clubs. \_ this story wouldn't get nearly the attention that it has if it weren't the same Jeri Ryan \_ He's a Republican who went to sex clubs. Is this some bizarre conservative cross-pollination from Britain? What's next, Jesse Helmes found dead of autoerotic asphyxiation? \_ He's a tried and true RINO. \_ His name is Jack Ryan and he's running for office? That's too funny. \_ Tom Clancy fans might get confused and vote for him. Maybe that is his angle. \_ Why do you hate sex? |
| 2004/6/23-24 [Uncategorized] UID:30985 Activity:moderate |
6/23 some lins fra:
<DEAD>bstyp/tm/peve.tl<DEAD>
<DEAD>sortbboos.omeet.html<DEAD>
\_ THANKS!! -ax
\_ Why do you hate motd threads with meaningful link descriptions? |
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