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2004/6/8 [Politics/Domestic] UID:30657 Activity:insanely high
6/8     Rectum post brought back from the dead:
        Afghan man commenting on being given a rectal exam in front of
        female American soldiers:
        "We don't know if it's medical or if they were very proud of
        themselves," Mr. Shah said. "But if it was medical, why were
        they taking our clothes off in front of the women? We are
        Afghans, not Americans."
        link:tinyurl.com/3x86q
        Where did he get the impression American men like to have
        their rectums examined in front of women?

        And our nyt journalists took the liberty to add this comment:
        "While nudity as a disciplinary or coercive tool may be
        especially objectionable to Muslims, they are hardly the only
        victims of the practice. Soldiers in Nazi Germany paraded
        naked prisoners in daylight, ..."
        \_ Nope, no media bias here, nope.  It is simply standard practice to
           compare anything that occurs during a Republican administration to
           Nazi Germany as often as possible.  See how you are?
           \_ what do you mean how am I?
           \_ huh?  I was myself pointing out the bias of the journalists above.
              however to generalize that to the whole media is like saying
              that your whole extended familiy are idiots simply because
              you are an idiot.
           \_ That's right, all conservatives are Nazis, and all liberals are
              pinko commies.  You'd think that we'd've come up with more hip
              epithets in fifty years.
        \_ Where do foreigners get their ideas of America? High quality pr0n!
           \_ This explains so much.
        \_ Depends on how hot they are...
        And our nyt journalists took the liberty to add this comment:
        "While nudity as a disciplinary or coercive tool may be
        especially objectionable to Muslims, they are hardly the only
        victims of the practice. Soldiers in Nazi Germany paraded
        naked prisoners in daylight, ..."
        \_ So americans are a good as the nazis. that's just great.
2004/6/8 [Uncategorized] UID:30658 Activity:nil
6/7     Man falls 12 storeys and survives:
        http://csua.org/u/7n7
        Can anyone confirm this?
        \_ Yes! I was totally there!
2004/6/8 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:30659 Activity:nil
6/7     In Band of Brothers this crazy yank runs towards the Germans, runs
        behind the Germans, hides behind a building, then comes back without
        getting shot at all. What the heck was he doing and what did he
        accomplish?
2004/6/8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:30660 Activity:nil
6/7     "By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been
        convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official
        investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations."
        -Haynes Johnson, from *Sleepwalking Through History: America in the
        Reagan Years*
2004/6/8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:30661 Activity:high
6/7     So I guess its okay to play politics with Reagan's death if you're
        a Republican:
        http://csua.org/u/7n9 (latimes link)
        \_ Idiot troll and a liar.  From your own link:

        '"Don't allow any of the commemorations to turn into a political
        rally," he advised. "If any Republican says at a memorial service that
        we should win one more for 'the Gipper' " paraphrasing Reagan's famous
        line from "Knute Rockne All American," in which he played Notre Dame
        football star George Gipp, "they're sunk."
        In fact, Gillespie and other Republican leaders have avoided that faux
        pas so far.'

        So no, it's not ok, they're not doing it, the LAT didn't say they are
        and you're a troll.  Why should your crap stay on the motd any longer
        than the mislabeled freeper links?
        \_ Who's the idiot?  You're quoting a CNN political analyst, not a
           GOP representative.  Look elsewhere in the article.
           \_ You're the idiot.  Quote something from elsewhere in the article
              you troll.
              \_ Fourth paragraph:
                 "But unofficially, several Republican strategists said the
                 nation's outpouring of nostalgia and respect for Reagan may
                 have offered Bush an opportunity to improve his flagging
                 popularity - if he can find a way to don the mantle of his
                 well-loved predecessor."
                 Of course nobody's going to say this directly ON THE RECORD.
                 And then there's the quote later from Bush's campaign
                 spokesman:  "The life and example of Ronald Reagan reinforces
                 how important conviction and determination are in a president,"
                 which is clearly directed at their opponent.  Come on.  Don't
                 be a fucking tool.  Its right in front of your face.
                 \_ Most of the benifit the article speculates about is
                    just a general side effect of Regan-nostalgia.  Of
                    course Bush is going to give a eulogy, are you
                    suggesting he shouldn't?  And of course he'll  say
                    nice things about Regan, and of course it will look
                    good for the cameras.  Are you suggesting he
                    shouldn't?  How do you think Bush should handle this
                    to elminate any possible political misuse? -jrleek
                    \_ He should avoid drawing false parallels between the
                       fall of the Soviet Union and the invasion of Iraq.
        \_ It's already happened. Republicans have praised Reagan's
           accomplishments as the touchstone for the World's Only Superpower
           for the last decade while ignoring the bad stuff. Democrats couldn't
           dare attack the poor old man with Alzheimers' for fear of looking
           mean-spirited. Even now, all the Republican praise centers around
           the Reagan Myth, while the Democrats will praise his "style" and his
           "patriotism" never mentioning Iran-Contra, S&Ls, internal corruption,
           the deficit, brinksmanship, secret wars, etc...
2004/6/8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:30662 Activity:insanely high
6/8     This isn't meant to be a troll, but it may come across as one.
        I've been wondering why far left types like Micheal Moore will
        tell you that morallity is realitive, so terrorist are not
        evil, they just have a different morality, but Moore calls BUSHCO
        evil constantly. Huh?
        \_ I think you'd be hard pressed to find a quote of Moore calling Bush
           evil.  In fact I'd be amazed if you could.
        \_ Relative Morality is the crutch of the atheist
        \_ Maybe we should add "WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TERRORISTS?" to one
           of the stupid things Republicans say about Democrats.
           \_ We Repukkklikans is all just st00pid!!  Weze awl jus sez wut
              Rush sez us to say!  Weze be so st00pid iz why yuze Dems runs
              da hole cun-tree nowz n fohevah n weze jus kin own-lee hopes
              y'awl lets us kepe lissenin too Rush evry dae!!!
        \_ He hasn't said anything of the sort about terrorists.  Yay for
           the Straw Man!
           \_ WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TERRORISTS?
        \_ Just because you believe morality is relative doesn't mean you can't
           have your own moral code.  I believe morality is relative, but
           because I have a personal moral code, there are people and things
           that I define as evil.
           \_ I have a question.  Why bother defining evil at all, if you
              believe in relative morality?  That seems like a needlessly
              judgemental attitude.  Live and let live, and so on. -- ilyas
           \_ Relative morality just lets you make the easy choices in life
              and self justify them.
              \_ No.  Relative morality != Fluid Morality.
                 Relative morality means acknowledging that things considered
                 bad in one culture might not be bad in another culture.
                 For example, Jefferson owned slaves.  Slavery is bad.
                 Jefferson is not bad because what he did was considered normal
                 in his time.  Thus Jeffreson owning slaves does not make him
                 evil, just not progressive.
           \_ I guess that makes sense.  Making morality statements is
              only stupid if other people are making them.
              \_ It's only stupid to assume everyone shares your morality.
                 Trying to hold everyone to your morality is just idealistic.
                 \_ So Moore is stupid?
                    \_ Where did he assume everyone shares his morality?
                       \_ That's pretty much all he does.  The statement
                          "BushCo is evil" doesn't even make sense if he
                          assumes no one else shares his morality.
                          \_ See above.  I'm pretty damn sure you couldn't
                             find that statement out of his mouth.  He portrays
                             \_ Would calling Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft
                                "the real axis of evil" qualify?
                                \_ Find me the quote.  I believe you're
                                   actually misquoting Noam Chomsky
                                   \_ My fault.  I was wrong.  He didn't call
                                      them "the real axis of evil".  His exact
                                      quote is "the Axis of Uber-Evil --
                                      Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft --...".
                                      http://csua.org/u/7ns
                             things that he sees as wrong.  He doesn't call
                             anyone evil.  He calls on them to change, or on
                             the voters to make the change for them.
                          \_ I would read it as "I think BushCo is evil." and
                             not as a stement of fact, but it's open to
                             interpretation.
              \_ Don't bring facts into this.  Bastard.  He was feeling good
                 about himself until you stepped up and poked a hole in his
                 self esteem.
2004/6/8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Jblack] UID:30663 Activity:very high
6/8     To those who say all freeper links are trash, I really appreciated
        the D-Day freeper link a couple days ago.  Freeper troll:  If you
        post more interesting links that aren't just right-wing frothing,
        maybe people won't delete them.  - liberal, not a censor.
        \_ I am also a non-censoring liberal who often reads the freeper links.
           I think the most annoying thing about the links is their lack of
           explanation when posted to the motd.  Most freeper links are
           really just cut and pasted from some other source.  Why not say
           "http://www.freerepublic.com/rightwingrant.html  [reprint of
           editorial from LA times] or something?
           \_ I'd really like to see stuff of the form:
              "http://freerepublic.com/rant.html
               LA Times story on how $LIBERAL is a $ADJECTIVE $NOUN"
              rather than just "<DEAD>123.45.67.89/xyz.html"<DEAD> which looks
              just like a spam URL.
              \_ See, if you're just going to repost an article from the LA
                 Times, why not link directly to the LA Times?  Post a link to
                 the content, not a link to a link to the content.  If you're
                 trying to highlight the Freeper debate, then say so when you
                 post your link to it.
2004/6/8 [Computer/Theory] UID:30664 Activity:high
6/8     50th anniversary of the death of Alan Turing:
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/3781481.stm
        http://theregister.co.uk/2004/06/07/manchester_honours_turing
        \_ He's gay. WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?
        \_ He was gay? I am disgusted. I am going to change major.
           \_ I heard there are even homosexuals in the Bay Area.  You might
              want to transfer to another school.
              \_ consider the csua culture of ridiculing girlz to keep it
                 an all-male institution.
                 \_ Uh... ridiculing girls?  what did I miss?
2004/6/8 [Uncategorized] UID:30665 Activity:high
6/7     Use a meaningful caption to your link.
        \_ and don't use tinyurl if the link takes less than 80 column
           \_ I think you meant 72 columns, counting the date\t
2004/6/8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:30666 Activity:nil
6/7     Hey I heard that Reagan is still here in CA for one dya only!  Let's
        get a bunch of us to go down there and show how much we respect him.
        We can spit on his coffin.  That'll show em!
        \_ A fellow alum called me and wanted us to follow him around the US.
           It's Reagan-palooza! I'd carry a big picture of him in front of the
           parade^H^H^H^H^H^Hfuneral procession, Chinese-style, and he'd throw
           out fake billion dollar bills with Reagan's face on them. Just like
           olde times! We'd even make concert-type tshirts.
        \_ Troll.
        \_ I dare you to do it, oops i forgot, you're a spineless liberal
2004/6/8 [Recreation/Sports] UID:30667 Activity:insanely high
6/8     Ok, everyone here in the midwest hates the Lakers and want
        them to lose.  How about people in the Bay Area?
        \_ I'm from the Bay Area and I think they're a bunch of ogres,
           rapists, and players who are full of themselves.
        \_ "Rooting for the Lakers is like rooting for the house in blackjack."
           \_ no, it's like rooting for the US in Iraq.
              \_ Uhm, what?
                 \_ Why do you HATE America?
                    \_ Uhm, what?
                       \_ Why do YOU hate America?
                          \_ Heh heh, yer dumb.  Wanna be my valentine?
                          \_ HATE IS THE STANDARD!  USE AMERICA!
                             \_ In Soviet Russia, AMERICA hates YOU!
                 \_ The Lakers are the basketball personification of evil. -tom
                    \_ Just like the United States is the nation-state
                       personification of evil, right tom?
2004/6/8 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:30668 Activity:very high
6/8     To the person who was asking about java finalizers... is it possible
        your finalize method has thrown an exception? also, i think
        finalizers are not guaranteed to run on objects that are in the
        heap when the program exits unless you call
        System.runFinalizersOnExit() somewhere in your program.
        \_ It's possible, I guess, although I don't think so.  (I'm pretty
           sure I have exception checks on all the places I interact with
           the JVM).
        \_ Ok, the finalizer doesn't have an exception, but here's what
           the situation is:  The finializer is called, which calls a
           native finalizer, which, after some C stuff, calls BACK into
           our java "destructor" function.  (In this case, it doesn't do
           anything but print a message, it's a test.) Apparently that
           call back doesn't work.  Could it be that this kind of behavior
           is not allowed?
2004/6/8 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:30669 Activity:insanely high
6/8     Stop censoring. You've just activated the 1 day nuke campaign.
        \_ nuke, nuke, nuke, nuke of perl...
        \_Wow, you're a jerk. -jrleek
           \_ Nice!
        \_Wow, you're a leek. -lrjeek
          \_ Man, if you're gonna skrew with my name do it right! -urgeek
        \_ Who the fuck do you think you're punishing?  Just give up on your
           stupid temper-tantrum.
        \_ So, I guess this guy went away.
2004/6/8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:30670 Activity:insanely high
6/8     The very bottom of http://www.michaelmoore.com/index_real.php
        has a small article with the following paragraph:

        "When he was seven years old, Brandon Maxfield was accidentally
        shot in the face, becoming a permanent quadriplegic, completely
        paralyzed below the neck. The pistol that discharged while being
        unloaded was deliberately designed so that its safety had to
        first be moved from "Safe" to "Fire," making the trigger active
        and accidents more likely.

        I can't figure out what that last sentence is trying to say.
        Help?
        \_ That you can't unload the gun with the safety on, and that's
           a bad feature for a gun.
           \_ It's also a bad idea to point a gun at a 7 year while
              unloading it.
              \_ Agreed.  In gun safety courses you're taught *never* to
                 point a weapon at something you don't intend to shoot.
                 Of course, young kids aren't typically sent through
                 hunter safety courses anymore.
                 \_ It doesn't say who was unloading the gun.  It feels to
                    me like the article leaves out details to obscure what
                    actually happened.
2004/6/8 [Computer/SW] UID:30671 Activity:very high
6/8     Need recommendation for web hosting that provides large disk space
        at reasonable prices.  I'm currently with verio and they offer
        200 megs of web/mail space for $24.95.  I just signed up and cancelled
        http://speakeasy.net when I found out that their 1 gig quota is really
        for web storage and not for email or general purpose.  speakeasy's
        mail quota is 15 megs.  Are there other reliable medium/large
        companies?  Thanks.
        \_ You do mean 24.95/month, right?   I got in on a free offer
           from http://1and1.com, they have seemed decent, although they still
           have separation between mail and web space (50MB for the pop
           mail accounts)
           \_ Word of warning on 1and1.  A friend and I are using them for
              hosting several sites, and they are really good as far as
              that goes.  However, they seem to have developed a reputation
              for harboring spammers, and mail from 1and1 accounts is bounced
              by a LOT of mail daemons.
2004/6/8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:30672 Activity:insanely high
6/8     Troll all you want but I spent 10 hours waiting to see Reagan.
        5 hours to travel 4 miles. 5 hours in line. Starting at 12AM.
        \_ 6 hours total for me.  1 hour to travel, 5 hours in line.
           Started at 8PM.  Was worth it.  No cameras were allowed. -- ilyas
           \_ so was the coffin actually open?
              \_ Hell no, the man was 93 with Alzhiemer's. It's just a flag
                 covered coffin.
                 \_ Then what's the point of going?!?!?
                    \_ The chicks! Reagan's corpse is a babe magnet.
        \_ so was it worth it?  How did he look?  Pics?
        \_ I still think he should be embalmed.
           \_ And placed next to Lenin's in the Kremlin.
              \_ No!  Permanant display on the bridge of the USS Ronald Reagan.
                 \_ With his hands epoxied to an old-school ship's wheel.
        \_ why not bike from tierra rejada rd & take esperance dr to the
           r. reagan library ? (just have to avoid the bullets...maybe..)
           \_ There seems to be something inherently wrong with riding a
              bike to pay last respect to Reagan.
              \_ Yeah, better to drive your H2 out to Humboldt and cut down
                 an old-growth redwood tree in tribute.
              \_ Because Reagan had all those ties to the oil industry?  What?
2004/6/8 [Uncategorized] UID:30673 Activity:insanely high
6/8     Pistons in 4
        \_ News at 11.
           \_ Kobe in for 20. (years)
2004/6/8 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:30674 Activity:high
6/8     Does anyone know where I can read about Java Virtual Machine
        Thread internals, especially in connection with the JNI?  I'm
        haveing a wierd bug where GC seems to be happening before
        finalization (which includes some native calls) can complete.
        -jrleek
        \_ JVM spec:  http://csua.org/u/7nf             -brain
        \_ "performance book" native section:
                http://csua.org/u/7ng                   -brain
2004/6/8 [Uncategorized] UID:30675 Activity:insanely high 66%like:33439
6/8     Is anybody else as in love with TastyBite as I am?
        \_ that shit is nasty, you could probably do better yourself with
           a cookbook.
           \_ But I couldn't leave it in my drawer for a year.
        \_ mmm.... dal mahkani...
        \_ What's the best price you've found?
           \_ http://tastybite.com, you can buy a 6 pack for $2.  With the coupon
              code ML30-E you can get 30% off on $30+ of the Ready Meals
              (which come with a spoon and microwave-safe bowl). -op
              \_ clarification.  6 pack for $2/pack.
           \- if you speak hindi, you can get them for a dollar. it is
              possible you have to be non white. they are a good basis,
              but they need to be augmented.
              \_ How and where, and where do I find a quick hindi course?
         \_ trader joe's
2004/6/8 [Computer/SW/WWW/Server] UID:30676 Activity:moderate
6/08    Does this look familiar to anyone?  From apache2 error_log:

        File does not exist: srv/www/tomcat/base/webapps/MYDIRindex.jsp

        no matter how many "/"s i put on <DEAD>www.myserver.com/////index.jsp<DEAD>
        it still gives me this.  What am i doing wrong?
        \_ isn't tomcat a stand-alone java application?  Why would it be in
           the apache2 error_log.  As for the ////////, do you really think a
           good webserver would let you go UP from the webroot, whether with
           / or .. (or encodings of both)
           \_ i'm using a connector (jk).  As for the other, i'm not trying
              to transverse a directory.  /// is treated just like "/" i'm
              just trying to make sure i get one in there.
        \_ Tomcat refusing to acknowledge the existence of a jsp or servlet
           is a very common problem and happens if any one of the 8 billion
           possible settings aren't exactly perfect.  This is covered
           extensively in numerous FAQs  (listing all of the possible causes
           is not in the purview of the motd)
2004/6/8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:30677 Activity:insanely high
6/8     BAHAHAHA.  Go to http://www.somethingawful.com and scroll down for
        "The Ronald Reagan Rap."
        Sample verse:
        Laying flowers on the grave of the Waffen SS,
        Straight playing Jimmy Carter and cleanin up his mess,
        You're an old school shoota,
        Central America booty loota,
        Poppin collas and stabbin Y,
        Droppin' dollas on SDI.
        \_ boy that's funny
           \_ at least it showed some imagination unlike most of the venomous
              drivel going around the last few days.
              \_ Yawn, it's just Dubya-hate carrying over.  I would guess most
                 Reagan haters on soda just remember Iran-Contra, "I do not
                 recall", deficit spending, and trickle-down, and assume it's
                 mean-old-bastard neocon Reagan.  Then again, I don't remember
                 anything substantial to like about him.
                 \_ Don't forget the Savings and Loans mess ("All in all,
                    I think we've hit the jackpot," Reagan said as he
                    deregulated the SnL industry), the HUD corruption
                    scandal, EPA corruption, the Pentagon procurement scandals,
                    etc. etc.
                    \_ It could be that most of the Reagan mourners just
                       miss the '80s.  Don't forget your pastel jacket.
2004/6/8 [Recreation/Media] UID:30678 Activity:insanely high
6/8     Movies where the sequel was better than the original
        \_ Road Warrior
           \_ definitely
           \_ thats not really fair.  the original was filmed on a dime with
              a bunch of no names, including the lead at the time.
              \_ so what?  I wasn't insulting Mad Max, I was saying Road
                 Warrior is *better*.  I think Road Warrior is one of the best
                 movies ever.
        \_ Empire Strikes Back
           \_ Attack of the Clones (I thought it was better than Menace anyway.
              but I'm not sure Menace counts as an original for this purpose.)
              \_ I dunno, AotC was pretty freakin' bad.
                 \_ TPM was worse. Lots of boredom and Jar Jar antics. AotC
                    entertained me.
        \_ Shrek 2
           \_ you are definitely kidding
              \_ nope.
              \_ I like Shrek 2 more.
              \_ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4999152
        \_ T2: Judgement Day
           \_ I think you might be a couple of cans short of a six pack.
           \_ dumb fucking kid.
           \_ Nope, T1 was better.  T2 had better special effects but had
              a lame slow section (desert), too preachy, annoying kid, a
              badd-a** T-800 saying lame things like "I cannot cry".  T1
              had Arnold in his true form, an evil robot willing to
              destroy anything in it's way.
           \_ Thinking of T2, does anyone remember how he shot the shotgun
              while riding the motorcycle?  Which hand did he use? (Thought
              of this yesterday for some reason while riding my motorbike,
              and was wondering about the logistics of it - must have been
              the left hand, right?  Would still need a hand on the throttle?)
               \_ some bigger bikes (cop bikes?) have a mechanical cruise
                  control.
        \_ Godfather.  BTW, this was a question asked in one of the Scream
           movies.
           \_ scream 2?
        \_ Aliens
          \_ apples oranges
             \_ ??
                \_ ie, two completely different movies, one horror, one action
                   \_ Aliens is still a sequel, and still better.
                      \_ Blah, the second one is just your standard alien bug
                         hunt.  A waste of film.  It had one or two good lines
                         and the rest was trash.  "Oh, look, a hundred more big
                         alien bugs with drooling jaws running on ceiling,
                         floor, and wall.  Blast 'em.  Next!"
                         \_ as opposed to the hundreds of alien bug hunt movies
                            that came before it, right?
                            \_ agreed.  previous poster is lame.  Aliens is
                               the standard bug hunt movie, and still the
                               best, IMO.  But now I feel like a total nerd-
                               boy L053R by participating in this thread.
        \_ Kill Bill 2
           \_ Me and several friends disagree completely.
           \_ But it really is just one (too) long movie.
           \_ KB2?  Big yawner.  It was just like the first except it had no
              real action, no cool moves, no cool lines, and took far too
              long for the closing credits to finally show up.  Other than
              that it was a better movie.
        \_ I cheat:  http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GoodMovieSequels
           \_ Man, this page beat me on X-Men/X-Men 2
        \_ Die Harder (Die Hard 2)
            \- this is a troll. Die Hard was an actually good action flic.
                Die hard 2 blew chunks.
                \_ what you really mean is Die Hard 3 blew chunks.
                \_ I'm not sure if you can call everything you disagree
                   with a troll.
                   \_ Oh, I'm pretty sure he can.
                   \_ You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what
                      you think it means.
                \_ Die Hard is good, but Die Hard 2 is as good or better.
                   \_ I may have been thinking of Die Hard 3. Which one was in
                      an airport?  If it was 3 then i don't remember 2.
                   \_ I don't think the "better" judgment is generally valid.
                      Die Hard was a classic, spawning lots of imitations (it's
                      "Die Hard" on a $NOUN!). For me anyway Die Hard 2 wasn't
                      nearly as memorable. Not that I love Die Hard.
        \- Passion of the Christ
           \_ There was a second one?  When did I miss it?
        \_ Rush Hour 2
        \_ Urusei Yatsura 2: Beautiful Dreamer
          \_ Damn straight!
        \_ Toy Story 2
        \_ Evil Dead 2
        \_ Urotsukidoji 2: Legend of the Demon Womb
        \_ Naked Gun 2 1/2
        \_ Wrath of Khan
           \_ KAAAAHHHHNNN!
        \_ Austin Powers
           \_ we're not talking about sequels that sucked more
2004/6/8 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:30679 Activity:very high
6/8     Which search engines let you search for regex or at least symbols like
        '||' .  right now i'm trying to search for how to do this:
         !#/bin/bash; if [ $? != 0 || $# != 2 ]; then hi
        \_ man test
           \_ Or, sillier, man [
           \_ test did the trick, tnx.  (though, shirley there must be a way
              to do it without)
2004/6/8 [Uncategorized] UID:30680 Activity:insanely high
6/8     Any recommendations on good, secure money belts for travelling?
        Thanks.
        \_ Custer Battles
                \_ how about a real answer?
2004/6/8 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:30681 Activity:insanely high
6/8     How does one, using trn, post on a newsgroup with a fake reply-to
        address?  I just what to change it to
        jrleek@no.spam.soda.berkeley.edu or some such.
        \_ I am pretty sure you have to edit the source and recompile.
        \_ Pnews.  Maybe you'll need to hack inews too.  It's been ages
           since I've looked at rn.
2004/6/8 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:30682 Activity:high
6/8     Where can I download the openAL drivers for Windows XP?
2004/6/8-9 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:30683 Activity:high
6/8     Why doesn't Zogby have Bush winning California?
        http://www.zogby.com/News/ReadNews.dbm?ID=833
        \_ Yeah, well he doesn't have Kerry winning Alaska either, but you'd
           have to smoke a solid pound of Matanuska Thunderfuck to think
           Kerry has a chance of winning Alaska.  And no one gives a shit,
           which is really the point.
        \_ He's only considering states that are close, like Washington and
           Oregon.  Bush has a whelk's chance in hell of winning California,
           so he's not even considering it.  The same goes with Texas, except
           in the opposite sense.  Notice that his poll is only conducted
           in certain states at the moment:
           http://www.zogby.com/features/features.dbm?ID=212
        \_ Zogby is trying way too hard.  Reputation go down. -a libural
        \_ Why don't we just let Zogby decide months in advance who the next
           President will be and save all that money and time on the whole
           election process, debates, etc?  Since we know for a fact that
           Zogby can accurately predict elections with 100% accuracy, we no
           longer have need for the election process, right?
2004/6/8-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:30684 Activity:very high
6/8     sodomize jrleek!
        \_ huh?
2004/6/8 [Health/Disease/General] UID:30685 Activity:nil
6/8     My company just moved to a new office. My coworker's cube is on
        the other side of the wall from a room with a giant transformer
        that powers a big part of the building. He found this out
        because his monitor was flickering like crazy and he couldn't
        work. Our IT guy said they would find a solution to get the
        monitor to work but he's freaking out and says he's worried
        about health risks from the EM Field so he moved to a different
        cube much farther away. My cube is about 6 feet from the
        transformer room (my monitor is fine, though), and I'm wondering
        if he's paranoid or if I should be worried too. I really like the
        location of my cube so I'd rather not move unless there's some
        basis for thinking there are health risks. Any advice?
        \_ I'd move. There are health risks, sure, look at ppl that live
           for long periods of time near transmission lines. prob doesn't
           make their TVs go haywire, and they still get cancer.
           \_ i've not seen any evidence for this and i've heard that
              there isn't any.  got proof?
              \_ I'm not him, but personally I'd look at it as one of those
                 better safe(r) than sorry things. I think some studies
                 involving rodents and sustained high-energy exposure have
                 indicated some kind of detriments. Let someone else sit next
                 to the transformer if it's so safe.
        \_ Build a faraday cage around your cubie.
           \_ Anyone know if they're doing so with hybrid cars?
        \_ When you glow at night, what color do your limbs radiate?
        \_ Is there some instrument I can use to measure how strong the field
           is in a certain spot? I'd like to see how far away from the
           transformer I have to get before the measurement is "normal", and
           how much higher than "normal" my cube is. -op
2004/6/8-9 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:30686 Activity:moderate
6/8     Anybody ever known of data getting extraced from a drive that has
        been zeroed out?
        \_ Does it count if I got 000000... back?
        \_ It can be done.  When your disk drive does a write, it writes a
           rather wide path.  By placing the platters into special machines,
           you can extract data from the fringes of the write path.  This is
           why the DoD has released specs on write patterns useable to highly
           minimize such extraction.
           \_ I think the sequence of writes is something like:
              11111111, 00000000, 11110000, 00001111, 11001100,00110011,
              10101010, 01010101, which is kind of like micro-degaussing.
           \_ We had a pretty interesting joint presentation by Kroll
              and Guidance.  I forget which one of the two it is, but one
              has fairly extensive labs for just this kind of recovery that
              they'll let you tour (at least in Germany) as a "potential
              customer".  Anyway, I thought DoD just physically shredded
              all physical storage media after use as a matter of policy?
              Most of my bank clients so far have paid someone to do that
              for them.  -John
        \_ Yup, it's possible.  As the above poster said, you need to
           overwrite your data several times with various bit-patterns.
           Otherwise someone determined enough can use an electronic
           microscope or whatnot to determine what had been written there
           several generations of writes before.
        \_ http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/09/0151219
2004/6/8-9 [Recreation/Food] UID:30687 Activity:insanely high
6/8     California roll poll:
        yum: ..
        yuck: ..
        \_ unagi: ..
           tastes like vagina: .
           \_ I love unagi, but then, I also love vagina.
        \_ tamago:
           overpriced piece of egg: ..
        \_ sanma:
           smells like rotten fish: .
        \_ uni is the best: .
           \_ As a gf once put it:  I wanted you to eat that because it has
              the same texture as cum, and I wanted you to understand why
              I spit.
              \_ your gf has bad taste.  granted these things may be an
                 acquired taste.
              \_ Hey, some of us got snowballed instead.
              \_ Either you need to see a doctor or your gf is flawed.  All of
                 my gfs always said it doesn't taste like much of anything.
                 \_ -4 Hit Points for poor reading comprehension.
                    texture != taste:  "...the same   texture   as cum,..."
                    \_ Shrug.  She's still flawed or you need to see a doctor
                       because you're cumming something the texture of uni.
        \_ Sushi Ran spider roll:
           the fried head is great for grossing out Sausalito ex-hippies: .
        \_ saba: .
2004/6/8-9 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:30688 Activity:very high
6/8     For those who worked in the large corporation (or currently working
        in a large corp.  How do you guys managed such large amount of emails?
        Do you guys use some sort of sorting software (popfile?)? is there
        any open-source search engine that is designed for combing through
        standard unix email boxes?
        \_ GREP!
           \_ Ah, but is it the standard?
           \_ you mean find . -name "*.mbx" -exec grep [pattern] {} \;
              my problem with that is that in that -exec part, the
              grep -v's "-" is giving me trouble (along with other special
              characters)
              \- use xargs. welcome to the next level. --psb
                \_ how do you deal with spaces?
                   \- NULL padding. for the original Q, also see e.g. agrep,
                      glimpse etc. --psb
        \_ use mh. pick is your friend.
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