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2004/5/19 [Health, Health/Eyes] UID:30284 Activity:high
5/18    Is there a way to find out information about your doctor, like history,
        school where he got the MD from, malpractice, lawsuits, etc? Question
        2, can you request information from the hospital, like lab results,
        x-ray, injection used during the surgery, etc? any help would be
        appreciated.
        \_ For #2, if you mean *your* medical records then of course!
        \_ Sounds like you need to call a lawyer.
        \_ 1: State Medical Board.  http://www.medbd.ca.gov
        \_ I second the website for state medical board. You can check your
           doctor online.  You can also call the medical board of CA and talk
           to someone live.  You also have every right to all your medical
           records.  With new HIPAA laws, though, you will probably have to
           fill out a request form, or otherwise put a letter in writing
           requesting specified medical records.  I make it a habit to
           check all my doctors, and I keep a copy of significant medical
           records (like for surgeries) for myself.  Not a bad idea these
           days.  --chris
2004/5/19 [Computer/HW/Drives, Consumer/TV] UID:30285 Activity:high
5/19    Screenshots of George Lucas's latest SW changes:
        http://www.thedigitalbits.com/rumormill.html
        \_ What a crappy Photoshop job.
        \_ Someone please kill Lucas before he gets any stupider.
        \_ It reminds me of the line from "Six Degrees of Separation". Any
           child can make art as great as Matisse. You just have to know when
           to take the paper away from them. -- ulysses
        \_ wtf is frodo baggins doing in the screenshot?
           \_ Pretending to be Annakin Skywalker?
       \_ Here's a theory, Myabe Lucas actually is so sick and tired of
           Star Wars that he's decided to Ruin it so people will stop
           bugging him about it.
          \_ My theory: Lucas is just an idiot surrounded by yes-men.
2004/5/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:30286 Activity:nil
5/19    drivel, drivel, drivel, drivel,drivel,drivel,drivel,drivel.
2004/5/19 [Uncategorized/German] UID:30287 Activity:insanely high
5/19    Flash Based MacOS System 7: http://myoldmac.net/webse-e.htm
        \_ MOS 7?  Yeah MSDOS is on flash too, so?
        \_ That's excellent.
        \_ Is there one for Apple ][+?
           \_ Fuck that, I want to upgrade my Lisa!
        \_ Useless.
        \_ That would be so much cooler if it were _actually_ a Mac emulator
           in Flash.
           \_ So write it yourself, twink.
              \_ It's useless.  Why would he bother?
2004/5/19 [Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:30288 Activity:nil
5/19    Audited PHP: http://www.hardened-php.net/documentation.php
        \_ PHP is for panies.  With vi and perl 4.036 you should be able to
           do anything you need to.
2004/5/19 [Recreation/Dating] UID:30289 Activity:insanely high
5/19    How do I deal with multiple potential gf?
        \_ Dating advice on motd?
        \_ Post their name, pic url , and contact here.
        \_ try before you buy.
           \_ But I am weak in the conscious department,
              I can't get myself to do it without feeling too guilty.
              \_ How is this not conscientious?  Lots of people date around
                 before committing to a person.  Just because you go on
                 a date doesn't mean you married them.
                 a date doesn't mean you married them.  Some people draw
                 the line at sex though,  but that's up to each party.
              \_ If you are in a semi-vegetative state, how are you going to
                 satisfy even a single mate?
        \_ Modern dating has gotten really screwed up.  You're supposed to
           try out a lot of different people with a date or two before you
           commit to one.  That's the IDEA.  Think of it as a friendly job
           interview.
           \_ But where do you draw the line? You don't take multiple
              job offers. But sometimes after getting a job offer, you
              still want to see if you can get that google job, but you
              don't know if google actually want you. If google doesn't
              want you, then you will take this offer, after all, one
              needs a job. But does this really apply to dating? Although
              employers also have multiple candidates lined up, they don't
              send out multiple offers at the same time.
              \_ Didn't you just answer your own question?  You don't make
                 multiple commitments.  Duh.  I would say don't sleep with
                 them either, but I say that goes till your married.
              \_ true story. a friend of mine had a phone interview at google.
                 the interviewer was an asshole and he didn't get a real
                 interview. a few months later he gets a job at a web company.
                 two days after he starts work he gets a call from google.
                 someone saw his master's thesis and they want to hire him. he
                 quits his job and goes and works at google and has been very
                 happy ever since. it's a true story, but you can think of it
                 as a dating parable if you so desire.
                 \_ so you should write lots of erotic stories and post them
                    around on the net in the hopes of attracting some
                    random attractive female fan?
                 \_ I've interviewed at google twice.  The second time I was
                    there for almost 8 hours and correctly answered a long
                    list of random and obscure questions from half the
                    engineering staff.  Idiot head recruiter will only say I
                    was "not a good technical fit" when I was teaching their
                    people several things they didn't know during the
                    interview process.  I think google interviews are just
                    free training for their staff.
        \_ deal?  gf != wife.  Date all of them.  Until you "get serious" and
           have some official "we're going steady and not fucking other people"
           agreement, you can do what you want.  Do you really think all of
           them are having sex only with you and not 'dating' others?  Don't
           be so naive.  Not only are girls out there fucking multiple guys
           (and often other girls too) but plenty of them have STDs and know
           it and don't care if they dose you.
        \_ Party girls won't care if you date multiple ppl. Otherwise,
           cowboy up and choose one. If yer a party guy, why would you
           care, anyways?
        \_ Figure out where you draw the line. Two girls at once, it's ok to:
           - go out for coffee
           - social activities / parties
           - go out to dinner
           - kiss
           - 2nd, 3rd base ?
             \_ what does 2nd and 3rd base mean?
                \_ 2nd:  Putting your arm around her shoulders at the movies
                   3rd:  Holding hands
           - have sex with
           - marry
           Decide which checkboxes would make you feel guilty (or perhaps make
           your potential dates jealous) and try not to cross those lines.
           \_ if you're up front about it?  all of the above sound fine.  I've
              seen multiple marriage work just fine.
              \_ If you're honest about it, do whatever you feel comfortable
                 with.  In the absence of complete disclosure, do no more than
                 the other person might expect you to.
        \_ If you choose multi-dating, either you have to lie to your dates or
           you have to put up with their own multi-dating.  The difficulty of
           lying is exponential in its duration and the number of dates.  If
           you consent to their multi-dating, remember that the tunnels of
           love you crawl in and out of are shared by strangers with diverse
           odors and fluid viscosity:  you will be bathing yourself in public
           toilets.  As you savor the sparkling dew from one of their treasured
           orifices, do you stop to wonder which of your fellow suitors
           secreted such delightful nectar?
           \_ Just because you're only dating one girl doesn't mean you're the
              only guy (or girl) she is sleeping with.  My favorite is the
              (very) large number of colleg girls who sleep with other girls
              and honestly don't believe they are cheating because "it isn't
              real sex".  You can still get a long list of STDs from your
              girl friend's girl friend.  OTOH, if you're fucking both of them,
              either at the same or different times then it's share and share
              alike anyway.
              \_ Having a single girl does not mean she will make reciprocal
                 arrangement, but having more and tell them so will most
                 surely engender reciprocity if they stay.  Unless your
                 relationship is platonic or your date far outfoxes you,
                 it is hard not to figure out whether she has other gigolos.
        \_ Who the FUCK deleted this thread?
           \_ Yeah, this was the only halfway interesting thing here.
2004/5/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:30290 Activity:very high
5/19    Any other good reverse poll topics? Geordan, being the "winner" of
        the last poll, mind telling us what you do?
        \_ Dude, there were people on the list that were worse off than
           Geordan.  By far.
           \_ By far? Here are the competitors that I found in motd,v:
                - $20k grad school - doesn't count
                - 7 years BS, $60k - geordan
                - 12 years __English Lit__, $60k
                - 2 rocks instead of 1 - crackho
                - 4.5 years, $52k -op
              BTW, I'm the OP. Maybe I did win the poll....
         \_ what IS a reverse poll?
            \_ Yes.
               Should kchang be sorried? :
               Did you go to grad school? :
               Is bay area real estate overpriced? :
               Is this a reverse poll? :
2004/5/19 [Politics/Domestic, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30291 Activity:very high
5/19    Did anyone else listen to the Senate hearings this morning?  Any
        major gaffes?  The only one I heard (in about 15 minutes of
        listening) was a North Carolina Senator refer to the Blackwater mercs
        who were killed and mutilated as "unarmed civilians" who needed the
        army's protection.  No one corrected her.
        \_ What about the near continuous conflating of the Iraq war with
           the war on terror?
           \_ Why do you hate America?
           \_ Truth is lie repeated agina and again.
           \_ Because the one is a subset of the other.
              \_ In Bizarro-world, yes.
                 \_ No YOU'RE the dooty-head!

                 \_ Bizarro Murphy: Did you try ****ing him in the ***hole?
                 \_ Bizarro Murphy: Did you try ****ing him in the ***?
                    Bizzaro Debbie: Yeah.
                    Quinn: Twice
                    Bizarro Murphy: That usually works.
2004/5/19 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:30292 Activity:insanely high
5/19    Mass Immigration Cost American Taxpayers $69 Billion Net
        and 2 Million Jobs in 1997
        http://www.carryingcapacity.org/huddlenr.html
        \_ Oh bugger off.
                \_ factual refutation?
                   \_ What's the point?  You wouldn't listen anyway.  Its
                      the motd.  "Bugger off" gets us right to the point.  Oh
                      yeah, bugger off once agaim, no one wants to listen to
                      your axe grinding for the nth time.
        \_ They're coming from the future:
           http://www.johntitor.com
        \_ Why do you hate immigrants?
2004/5/19 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:30293 Activity:nil
5/19    What kind of coding makes more? Around how much?
        c:
        c++:
        c#:
        vb:
        javascript:
        java:
        html:
2004/5/19 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:30294 Activity:nil
5/19    Quick poll for professional C++ programmers (that is, you use C++ in
        code you write for work):  Have you heard of Nicolai Josuttis or Andrei
        Alexandrescu?
        Both: ..
        Josuttis only:
        Alexandrescu only:
        neither:
2004/5/19 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30295 Activity:nil
5/19    All leftist half truths and lies on a single page for easy talking
        points reference.  Here's Dowd for your reading 'pleasure':
        http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Apr/04272004/commenta/commenta.asp
2004/5/19 [Uncategorized] UID:30296 Activity:nil
5/19    multiple random polls deleted.  yes, you have found the "create your
        own poll" motd option.  now you need to understand that it has to be
        a) an interesting poll and b) (a) should apply to more than just you
        which is why c) your polls were near empty.  relax.
        \_ the salary thing was interesting.  why did you delete?
2004/5/19 [Uncategorized] UID:30297 Activity:nil
5/19  jctwu!  Stop nuking the Iraq thread!
        \_ It's not me.  I posted the below, though ("I notice ...").
           Had to keep restoring it.
           \_ Sorry -dgies
              \_ np, I knew you were restoring it though from fstat.  I suspect
                 the person nuking was just doing a manual cp, which is too
                 fast for fstat to notice generally.
2004/5/19 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30298 Activity:very high
5/19    The US winning hearts and minds in Iraq:
        http://tinyurl.com/yvnu8      (Newsday/AP)
        \_ Couldn't it have been anti-coalition forces holding a wedding party
           at a foreign fighters' safe house?
           \_ Pick any random group of 40 Iraqis and at least one of them will
              probably advocate the violent ouster of the US, but does that
              make it OK to kill the whole wedding party?
              \_ Yes.  Guilt by association.
           \_ Iraqis are terrorists.
              \- a. I am outraged over the outrage.
                 b. Mistakes were made/You have to break some eggs.
                 c. They may have been manufacturing aspirin!
                 d. At least we didnt sodmomize and humiliate them.
        \_ Stop deleting this.
        \_ This is tragic.  And it's also another reason to not shoot a gun in
           the air to celbrate.
           \_ Didn't the exact same thing happen in Afghanistan several months
              ago?
              \_ Yes.  Shouldn't people have figured out that firing guns
                 into the air is a bad idea when your country is being occupied
                 by a foreign army? -geordan
                 \_ It would be nice if some people in this country would figure
                    this out as well.
                 \_ Yeah, but you've got dumb yokels firing guns into the air
                    to celebrate, and dumb yokels killing an entire wedding
                    party.  There's plenty of blame to share.
                    \- what would be your reaction if the say LAPD or say
                       philadelphia PD "rained down gunfire" on a house
                       from where they saw some shooting into the air?
                       \_ Wow, that's some of the most twisted logic I've
                          seen out of you, psb.  There's nothing similar
                          at all between those two situations, and the one
                          in Iraq.  Cool.
                          \_ E_TOOSHORT
                       i'm wondering if the same people making the dumb yokel
                       comment also get bent out of shape over ruby ridge
                       and waco. --psb
        \_ These kind of stuff will not happen in the US because we
           have laws. It happened in Iraq because there are no laws
           governing what the US military can do. So what if we bombed
           your wedding? Tough luck. The worst that can happen is we
           offer an apology after a year long investigation. The truth
           is, there are no justice when your country is occupied by
           someone else. The only justice you'll get is when you drive
           out the invading forces one way or the other. But we don't
           care, by then we would've gotten all the oil we wanted. The
           moral of the story? Don't be the weak guy. The bully is
           always right. Although I do wish sometimes the police would
           take the same attitude toward those fuckers in Oakland and
           East Palo Alto. Just nuke their fucking house and the city
           will be a better place.
           \_ oil?  please show me some evidence that the U.S. is going to
              get enought oil revenue to pay off the >100B we've spent on
              iraq.
              \_ the deal is, the war is paid for by taxpayers, and the oil
                 revenue goes to Bush's friends.
        \_ hmm a wedding party with 2 million dinars, sat com equipment,
           and foreign passports in a safehouse.  Yea...
           Was the same reporter in Jenin?
           \_ Why does the US keep lying?  Who are they trying to fool?
              \_ The US.
           \_ Isn't 2M dinars like $1000 USD? Foreign passports? Imagine
              that, on a town bordering another nation during a wedding
              celebration where out of town relatives are invited.
              \_ About $1400.  Yeah.  Which was probably part of the wedding
                 gift.
              \_ No, see, the administration spends all taxpayers money, and
                 they as individuals (more accurately their friends and
                 campaign contributors) reap the benefits.
2004/5/19 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30299 Activity:very high
5/19    I notice there is a purge/restore war going on in the latest topic.
        Perhaps if the URL description were less sarcastic, it wouldn't be
        purged?
                       \_ As long as the PD shoots straight, it's ok by me.
                          Why are people in LA or PA shooting into the air?
                          why are people anywhere shooting into the air?  This
                          is a Darwin issue.  And here's one of those distorted
                          half-truths, at best, where you stick in RR and Waco
                          where people who weren't doing anything to anyone get
                          murdered compared falsely to people who are in a war
                          zone firing hundreds of rounds into the air.
               \_ Yes, two years ago.  However, the CENTCOM report says that
                  AAA fire did come from the area (and had been since two days
                  before), and the responsibility lies with those who operated
                  the AAA guns while there were civilians in the area.
                  Although ground forces didn't find evidence of AAA guns or
                  spent shells, the report says they were probably removed
                  before they could get there.
                  http://csua.org/u/7d9
        \_ Terrorists beget terrorists.  Iraqi beget Iraqis.  What's wrong
           with preventing future terorists from coming to this world?
        \_ These kind of stuff will not happen in the US because we
           have laws. It happened in Iraq because there are no laws
           governing what the US military can do. So what if we bombed
           your wedding? Tough luck. The worst that can happen is we
           offer an apology after a year long investigation. The truth
           is, there are no justice when your country is occupied by
           someone else. The only justice you'll get is when you drive
           out the invading forces one way or the other. But we don't
           care, by then we would've gotten all the oil we wanted. The
           moral of the story? Don't be the weak guy. The bully is
           always right. Although I do wish sometimes the police would
           take the same attitude toward those fuckers in Oakland and
           East Palo Alto. Just nuke their fucking house and the city
           will be a better place.
        \_ hmm a wedding party with 2 million dinars, sat com equipment,
           and foreign passports in a safehouse.  Yea...
           Was the same reporter in Jenin?
2004/5/19-20 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:30300 Activity:kinda low
5/19    motdedit2 is available at ~kchang/bin/motdedit2. The difference
        between motdedit and motdedit2 is that motdedit2 does not require
        a lock and does friendly merge. For example, if you added a line,
        say A, and someone deletes it or changes it to B after a few hours,
        you can "restore&merge" which will retain both line A & B.
        Restore&merge is done by doing "motdedit2 -r"
        \_ Examples of friendly merge using "motdedit2"
        Original     Your change:   Result:
        --------     ------------   -------
        hello        harro          hello
        world        world          harro
                                    world

        \_ Another example of using "motdedit2 -r"
        You typed:     Someone changed to:   You run motdedit2 -r
        ----------     -------------------   --------------------
        hello          h3llo                 hello
        world          world sucks           world
                                             h3llo
                                             world sucks
        \_ I think that's the right thing to be doing. Personally
           though I prefer to do the steps separately. I did steal
           your merge function to replace the dumb one I was using.
           I have it set up pretty well; if I notice someone else's
           post get clobbered I can merge that also, because I'm
           grabbing a local copy for everything and not just my own
           edits. Actually though, having used your merge function
           for a while it is a tradeoff... ideally it should attempt
           to detect line edits versus new posts.
2004/5/19 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:30301 Activity:nil
5/19    http://csua.org/u/7db (Washington Post)
        By the time [the crowd] reached the Zourob intersection, witnesses
        said, there were nearly 2,000 people chanting slogans and shouting
        "Jihad!" and "God is Great!" At a bend in the road, they spotted an
        Israeli tank in the distance and many hesitated, but those in front
        kept walking. Some threw stones toward the tank that fell well short
        of their target. Suddenly, the tank opened fire, according to
        witnesses and survivors. The artillery shell hit an electricity pylon
        and detonated, they said, sending razor-sharp fragments of the pylon
        and the shell casing mowing through the demonstrators.
        \_ Note to self: Don't throw rocks at tanks, Oh wait, I already
           KNEW that...
        \_ The tank operators weren't justified in their actions, but the
           Palestinians involved were REALLY FREAKIN' STUPID.
           \_ PLO terrorists, meet Charles Darwin.  Charles, meet PLO
              terrorists.
2004/5/19 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:30302 Activity:nil
5/19    Is it true there haven't been any successful suicide bombers in
        Israel since the building of the security barrier?
        \_ A very small number.  The fence isn't finished yet.  The fence is
           also not going to reduce the number to zero either.  Just reduce
           the murder rate to something the EU and UN can continue ignoring.
           \_ IMO the israelis should fence off another square km of
              'buffer space' territory for every bomber that gets through. If
                the Palestinians send enough bombers through to get themselves
                pushed into the mediterranean, its their problem.
           \_ Where can I get info for this?
              \_ There was at least one bombing at a seaport about 2-3 months
                 ago.  There have been a few random rockets/shell fired semi-
                 randomly into Israeli civilian areas.  The 14 year old was
                 caught wearing a bomb at a check point.  Maybe a few others
                 I've forgotten.
                 \_ I asked about SUCCESSFUL suicide bombers.  I know
                    there was at least one successful conventinal attack,
                    some dude stopped a lady and her 4 kinds on the road
                    and shot them all.
                    \_ pft.  Google.  I gave you the basic story lines.
2004/5/19 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:30303 Activity:nil Edit_by:auto Entry has been invalidated. Access denied.
2004/5/19 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:30304 Activity:high
5/19    Irony is Dead(tm) headline for the day:
        "Bush to Israel: Show Restraint, Respect Innocent Life"
        http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5195239
        \_ This deserves two w00ts:  w00t!  w00t!
           \_ Isn't that three w00ts?
              \_ This sentence contains one sentence.
                 \_ A sentence cannot contain any sentence.
                    \_ The sentence, "The sentence, 'This is a sentence.' is
                       true." contains a sentence.
                       \_ Don't make me write out the sentence 'I am not true'
                          in fully unabbreviated form. -- ilyas
                       \_ Period should be a comma before the end quote.
                          \_ That was intentional.  That grammar rule is
                             illogical and I refuse to obey it.
                       \_ Ah!  I concede.
              \_ Agh!  You just made it four!
              \_ It's one "w00ts" and two "w00t"s
                 \_ One w00t, two w00t, red w00t, blue w00t!
                    \_ Die.
        \_ w00t!  w00t!
2004/5/19 [Uncategorized] UID:30305 Activity:nil Edit_by:auto Entry has been invalidated. Access denied.
2004/5/19 [Uncategorized] UID:30306 Activity:nil
5/19    it's someone else's fault you are poor and stupid!
        \_ Price of tea in China?
2004/5/19-20 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:30307 Activity:nil
5/19    Does anyone besides Dell make a laptop with a WUXGA+ (1920x1200)
        screen?
2004/5/19 [Uncategorized] UID:30308 Activity:nil Edit_by:auto Entry has been invalidated. Access denied.
2004/5/19-20 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:30309 Activity:nil
5/19    Why doesn't bash read .bashrc for interactive login shells?  Is there
        a right way to get it to do so?  Putting "source $HOME/.bashrc" in my
        .profile seems kind of wrong.  Or am I supposed to export everything
        in .profile so subsequent interactive sessions inherit everything?
        \_ .profile?  Here's a snipped from my default .bash_profile
           if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
                   . ~/.bashrc
           fi
2004/5/19-20 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:30310 Activity:very high
5/19    If you wonder why the Arab world hates the U.S., and Americans don't
        know why:
        "But by Wednesday evening, the images out of Gaza, where Israeli
        soldiers had fired on a demonstration of Palestinians, were so violent
        that the guilty plea of Specialist Sivits, who admitted to taking part
        in abuse at Abu Ghraib prison, received only secondary coverage on the
        main Arab satellite channels." -NY Times
        These kinds of images:  http://csua.org/u/7dg
        \_ He doesn't like you. I don't like you either.
           \_ I'll be careful.
              \_ you'll be dead!
        \_ You're saysing Arab world hates US because of Israel?
           \_ You're questioning Bush's unique support of Israel?
              \_ I'm not questioning anything, I'm just trying to figure
                 out what the op is saying.
           \_ Of course the only sane and civil thing to do is kill all Jews.
              \_ JOKE FUNNY!
2004/5/19-20 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics] UID:30311 Activity:high
5/19    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040519/234/726q1.html
        Would someone who's older than me please explain Andy Kaufman?
        \_ I'm not older, but I think he's nuts.
        \_ It's a press release, not news.  I think it's a complete hoax.
        \_ http://Snopes.com on the case:
           http://csua.org/u/7dn (Uploaded 5/20)
        \_ Everything I know of Andy Kaufman, I got it from watching Man on
           the Moon.  How accurate is it?
                \_ not sure, but I found him to be a totally annoying
                   opinionated bastard and I don't care if he's dead or alive
           \_ Not completely accurate (but what biopic is?). Kaufman had an
              odder sense of humor than most, but it was wasted on people who
              never understood the absurdity of it. In retrospect (and when it
              was spelt out for people in MotM), people now appreciate his
              brand of humor. Back then though... in terms of today's comics,
              his fame varied between Robin Williams and a half-step above
              Carrottop and Gallagher.
2004/5/19 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:30312 Activity:insanely high
5/19    People who support Bush, Cliff notes:
        - Believe Abu Gharaib abuse was not systematic.
        - Believe Saddam needed to be put down at some point, because he had
        used WMD in the past and could supply them to terrorists in the
        future; and, because Saddam was a vile leader.
        - Fault the CIA for giving Bush the wrong intelligence on WMD.
          \_ but this is known to be false. the "mobile labs", the uranium,
             blah blah... I don't know what Bush himself has to do with
             anything but "the adminstration" definitely chose to disregard
             and fail to mention the proper caveats. all intelligence has
             varying degrees of certainty and they chose multiple items with
             laughably low probability.
        - Believe the U.S. is giving Iraqis the opportunity for freedom.
        - Believe Bush is always trying to defend the American people, and
        support his "strong leader" approach of never apologizing for mistakes
        made in the pursuit of that goal, when the enemies of America could
        perceive an apology as weakness and proof of the effectiveness of
        terror attacks.
        - Think Kerry would do a worse job as President, since they perceive
        him as "political", rather than a "strong leader".
        - Credit Bush for the absence of terrorist attacks on American soil
        since 9/11.
        - Are willing to sacrifice minor personal liberties for a safe
        homeland.
          \_ I don't believe this one, and disagree with Bush policies on this
             point.  A bunch of other ones are phrased in a very dry way
             that's hard to agree with also. -- ilyas
             \_ There, I put in "minor" personal liberties.
        - Believe in small government, lower taxes, with money saved from
        fewer handouts going toward a strong defense.
        - Believe deficit spending will force a smaller government.
          \_ I would phrase it as 'deficit spending may be a win economically,
             and occasionally deficit spending is necessary for non-economic
             reasons'. -- ilyas
        - Believe Kerry will increase taxes, handouts, and not be able to
        secure the U.S. from another terror attack.
        \_ I don't care that Bush is a Christian.
           \_ Point taken, I removed it.
        \_ The point to this whole list was to show the mindset of a typical
           Bush supporter, not saying that any of it is correct or not. -op
           \_ I don't think 'Bush supporter' is a much different animal than
              'Republican.'
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