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2004/5/10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:30122 Activity:very high
5/9     The Wages of Appeasement
        http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004952
        \_ Can't a freeper even tell that this guy is a looon?
           \_ coherent rebuttal please.  The WSJ is now a freeper
              publication? Do you know anything about V. hanson?
                \_ the editorial pages in the WSJ are pretty close to
                   freeper territory
                        \_ So the largest newspaper in the US is in freeper
                                  \- i do not believe that is still true.
                                     usa today climbed past WSJ, unless
                                     that has been reversed. --psb
                                        \_ USA Today is
                                           a newspaper?
                                           \_ Sure!  Its the Cartoon News!
                           territory.  What does that tell you about
                           your politics?
                           \_ That I can see blatant unrelenting partisanship
                              when I see it? The New York Times editorial
                              pages are just as bad, but anti-Bush. The WSJ
                              gave up any pretense of being anything other
                              than a partisan rag about six months ago. So
                              have most publications in the country.
                      http://www.lyinginponds.com/archive.200301.html#20030103
              \_ The WSJ published the name of a juror in the Tyco trial
        \_ Great. Another "wasn't Reagan soooo GOD-like?" article. Let's look
           at the reverse angle. Reagan's cowboy "More Nukes" attitude began
           the split in American-European relations. He appeased the Iranians
           after the hostages were released, took sides in Lebanon (resulting
           in 241 Marine deaths), and responded to that by invading Grenada.
           Claiming "appeasement" has been of the great boogieman arguments.
           ALL politics has meant weighing the options and every choice not
           to attack or invade can be seen as "appeasement." The concept is
           political oversimplification for the masses. Otherwise, the US and
           USSR would have nuked each other in the 60s.
           \_ Well, it turns out Reagan was right about trees causing pollution:
              http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3700565.stm
              I'm sure all his other kooky ideas will soon be vindicated as
              well.
              \_ Nice Red Herring. Stick to the topic, please.
              \_ Next you'll have complaints about trees producing CO2 at
                 night.  Oh, and catsup will qualify as a vegetable.
                 \_ If you've seen one vegetable, you've seen them all.
                 \_ Ironic isn't it that Reagan is now is a vegetable whose
                    only use it continuing to produce pollution.
                    only purpose is continuing to produce pollution.
2004/5/10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:30123 Activity:high
5/9     Safire on Rumsfeld:
        http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/10/opinion/10SAFI.html?hp
        Definitely worth reading, whether you're pro or anti Rumsfeld.  I am a
        liberal Democrat, and he's certainly got me convinced Rumsfeld should
        stay.
        \_ huh huh, you are funny.
           \_ Um... you make no sense.
        \_ It makes me laugh when Safire, who has written numerous columns
           on the correct use of language and the need for an expanded
           vocabulary, makes repeated reference to the political canard,
           "the liberal establishment."
                \_ we RULE THE WORLD
           \_ he uses the term once in that article. He also used the word
              torture three times. --torture reference counter.
              \_ My bad; I meant repeatedly in numerous articles.
               \_ Safire is a fraud.  He is just a decoration NYT uses to
                  pretend it is not totally liberal.  You can read far
                  more articles in support of Rummy if you go beyond nyt.
                  \_ And this Attila the Hun guy?  Too damn liberal!
        \_ I read this last night before seeing your post.  Safire is a
           complete fucking loon.  (How's that for a divided electorate, yah?)
2004/5/10 [Uncategorized] UID:30124 Activity:nil
5/9     Infinity in your web browser: http://zongrila.net/swirl.htm
2004/5/10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30125 Activity:very high
5/9     What happened if Iraqi decided to file War Crime charges against
        Rumsfeld and President Bush?  That would be really fun.
        \_ That would be really stupid, unless they can prove Bush and
           Rummy directly ordered the abuse.
        \_ we had ourselves exempted from judgement by the world court
           years ago.  smart!
           \_ Almost eerily prescient....
           \_ Funny how consistent Bush seems to be about retaining sovereignty.
           \_ The US doesn't commit war crimes, so all joining the ICC would do
              is allow rogue states to drag honorable US servicemen before a
              kangaroo court.  - Model 2001 Talking Head
        \_ just nuke Iraq and get rid of the evidence
            \_ just nuke all the muslim nations and their will be peace
               \_ Kill all the godless and bring about The Rapture!
                  George W Bush is fufilling the Prophecy of Armageddon.
                  \_ Sadly, there is a big chunk of evangelicals that pretty
                     much think exactly this.  Why do you think there is so
                     much evangelical support for Israel?  Because part of
                     Armageddon described in Revelations is the tribes
                     returning to the homeland...
                     \_ I love these guys. Ask them if forcing the "Revelations
                        prophecy" isn't akin to trying to commit suicide.
        \_ Kill 'em all and let God sort them out. --Mohammed Atta
        \_ Just nuke the whole fucking world. They are all better off with
           Americans.
2004/5/10 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:30126 Activity:low
5/10    How do I make emacs search currently highlighted words in current
        document? like f3 (or was it ctrl-f3) in windows? thx
        \_ there isn't a functionality exactly identical to that, but here
           are two ways to do similar things:
           1) place cursor at the start of the word(s) you want to search
              for.  press C-s, and repeat C-w until the selection includes
              all the words you want to search for.  then press C-s until
              you find what you want.
           2) highlight the term you want.  press C-s, then M-y (or
              Esc-y).  press C-s until you find what you want.
           \_ Also, please do "M-x describe-key C-s" to see other neat things
              you can do with C-s.  And C-r is for searching backward.
           \_ THX!!
2004/5/10 [Health/Disease/AIDS, Health/Dental, Health/Disease/General] UID:30127 Activity:high
5/9     Porn star becomes a doctor.  You can do that too.
        http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/10/national/10PORN.html?hp
        \_ No URL, no explanation?  Is there any reason this should not be
           deleted?
           \_ is there any reason why it should be deleted?  you fucktard.
              \_ There's nothing to discuss
                 \_ It's an interesting story, man.  There's more to life than
                    computers.
                    \_ The OP posted it without a URL.  There *was* nothing to
                       discuss.
                 \_ so what.
        \_[Content free responses deleted]
        \_ Yeah, but do any Internet Rock Stars become doctors?
2004/5/10 [Health/Women] UID:30128 Activity:kinda low
5/9     psb, are you married yet?
        \_ psb, do you prefer Pujabi women, Bengali women, southern Udupi
           Palace eating women, or hot O'Farrell type blonde bombshell women?
                                                        -psb #2 fan
           \_ what the hell kind of psb fan are you if you don't even
              know he likes blondes with big hair, eh?
        \_ He will, once he sells his PSB speakers.
2004/5/10-11 [Uncategorized] UID:30129 Activity:nil
5/10    They replaced the two-tiered admission process?
        http://www.laprensa-sandiego.org/archieve/november21/ENTRANCE.HTM
2004/5/10-11 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Others] UID:30130 Activity:high
5/10    We have economic sanctions against Syria now.  I thought the whole
        point about going to war in Iraq was that sanctions flat out don't
        work.  What's a real conseravtive to think?
        \_ We should have been in Syria by now if the liberals had not tried
        \_ We should have been in Syria by now if da liburhuls had not tried
           so hard to obstruct US.  But it won't delay us for so long.  In a
           year we will, and then Iran, NK....
           \_ No no no, clearly the Shleiffen plan calls for a sweep to the
              right, violating the neutrality of Belgium.
              \_ Everybody knows we should have started with Western Australia.
                 http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/openletters/puppetmasters.html
        \_ No.  That was not the point, troll.  Sanctions can work in some
           places.  They can not work in places where the leadership has solid
           control over the population and is otherwise isolated from any
           sanctions effects by their own access to wealth such as Hussein's
           entire clan during the corrupt UN run 'oil for food' criminal
           enterprise.
2004/5/10 [Transportation/Car] UID:30131 Activity:moderate
5/10    I have a British auto mechanic working for me that likes to refer to
        my car with feminine pronouns, as in "she's looking great!"  or "she's
        almost ready!"  Is this a British thing or is he just weird?
        \_ This is a long standing thing.  Not just british.  Probably stems
           from referring to ships in the feminine.
        \_ Neither.
        \_ So you ride a hot chick?
           \_ Could be he likes riding guys.
           \_ No, yermom.
        \_ That's common, especially for other modes of transportation
           too, like planes and boats. Maybe not so much by american
           mechanics, who don't have much passion about what they do.
2004/5/10 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs] UID:30132 Activity:nil
5/10    I am using emacs to edit text file in the auto-fill or refill mode.
        It does not think tab = fixed number of spaces or fix column numbers
        but instead always take the first space of the last nonblank line as
        the tab position.  How to change that behavior?
        \_ M-x local-set-key <enter> <tab> self-insert-command <enter>
                -anonymous emacs user
        \_ M-x fundamental-mode
2004/5/10-11 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30133 Activity:very high
5/10    The prisoners of mention in Abu Ghraib were politial prisoners caught
        with IEDs, attacking coalition forces, or with caches of
        weapons.  They are not common criminals.  They must be interrogated
        to save lives.
        \_ Except for all the innocent people caught in a warzone.
        \_ hmm. the terrorist made the entire world a warzone
        \_ Yep.  But if our prisons are as bad as Saddam's, who precisely are
           we liberating? -emarkp
           \_ That's pretty naive. -- ilyas
              \_ That's pretty presumptive.  My point was that the thugs that
                \_ This was mild compared to what Saddam did.  What are
                   we expected to do - interrogate terrorists with cushy
                   pillows?
                 coerced those prisoners weren't very different than Saddam's
                 thugs.  I was not calling equating Saddam's Iraq with the
                      abuse is said to have occurred) and when I looked down
                      the corridor, I saw two naked detainees, one
                      masturbating to another kneeling with its mouth open,"
                      he is quoted as saying. "I thought I should just get out
                      of there. I didn't think it was right, as it seemed like
                      the wrong thing to do. I saw Staff Sergeant Frederick
                      walking towards me, and he said, `Look what these
                      animals do when you leave them alone for two seconds.'"
                 current occupation.  I've simply gotten tired of the partisan
                 conservatives who are trying to excuse this behavior.  It was
                 inexcusable. -emarkp
                 \_ Do you find the torture itself inexcusable or the lack
                    of professionalism, or perhaps something else? -- ilyas
           \_ I think the argument would go that our prisoners are justly
              detained while Saddam's were not.
                            \_ Well, we murdered some people, too. Probably
                               not as many as Saddam but he had 20 years, we
                               have only been in power for one.
              \_ This was mild compared to what Saddam did.  What are we
                 expected to do - interrogate terrorists with cushy pillows?
                 \_ How much "nicer" than Saddam do we have to be to not be
                    like him?  I have no problem using forceful questioning
                    tactics.  I *do* have a problem forcing prisoners to *act*
                    in ways they find morally offensive.  And any techniques
                    for "softening up" prisoners should be practiced by people
                    trained in extracting information, not random GI's from the
                    motor pool.  Furthermore, there shouldn't be any pictures.
                    -emarkp
                    \_ Yeah taking pictures was stupid.  It provided proof.  I
                       agree with your 'don't do anything the prisoners find
                    \_ I'd rather have that than be physically maimed and/or
                       killed. Not that I'm defending it or whatever but in
                       context of "mild compared to what Saddam did". What
                       exactly did Saddam do? -someone else
                       \_ Woodchipper.  Feet first.
                       \_ This is why no gays or women in the military.
                       \_ Well, we murdered some people, too. Probably not as
                          many as Saddam but he had 20 years, we have only been
                          in power for one.
                       morally offensive' line.  I find paying my taxes, my
                       mortgage and ever increasing oil prices morally
                       offensive.  I should not have to do any of these things.
                       My rights should at least match those of some murdering
                       religous fanatic thug.
                 \_ Defending Abu Ghraib takes motd idiocy to a new level!
                    \_ Hmmm, a new form of ad hominen?
                       \_ dude, you use it a lot so get it right: "hominem"
                          \_ i find it offensive that you would attack me for
                             being a stutterer.
                             \_ Shut up and climb onto the pyramid.
                                \_ Best. Riposte. EVER.
                                   \_ Ripostes are now "freedom parries".
                                      \- i think BUSH misunderstood what
                                         his FAVORITE PHILOSOPHER meant
                                         by TURN THE OTHER CHEEK.
                 \_ "I went down to Tier 1 (the cellblock where much of the
                    abuse is said to have occurred) and when I looked down the
                    corridor, I saw two naked detainees, one masturbating to
                    another kneeling with its mouth open," he is quoted as
                    saying. "I thought I should just get out of there. I didn't
                    think it was right, as it seemed like the wrong thing to
                    do. I saw Staff Sergeant Frederick walking towards me, and
                    he said, `Look what these animals do when you leave them
                    alone for two seconds.'"
                    -NY Times
        \_ Meanwhile, a report completed in February by the International
           Committee of the Red Cross and leaked to media outlets Monday
           found that up to 90 percent of Iraqis held by U.S. and allied
           troops have been arrested by mistake. -CNN
           \_ Thanks.  was trying to find that again.
              \_ No reference other than "CNN" provided.  Why are you thanking
                 him?
           \_ The ones caught with weapons and setting IEDs??
           \_ "Leaked"?  Hehehe, yeah I'm sure that was a mistake/error.  The
              LA Times is the source of all honest jorunalism and anything to
              the right of NPR is neocon propaganda.  Yep.
              \_ Yes, "leaked."  Information is leaked TO a newspaper, not BY
                 it.  But feel free to ignore the fact that the Red Cross told
                 Bremer about abuses in the middle of last year.
2004/5/10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30134 Activity:nil
5/10    "Iraqis are sick of foreign people coming in their country and trying
         to destabilize their country, and we will help them rid Iraq of these
         killers." -???
        \_ GWB, referring to al-Qaida. Bad troll! No cookie!
2004/5/10 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:30135 Activity:high
5/10    Could we limit motd access so you have to use motdedit?
        \_ People can still overwrite or censor your posts using motdedit.
           \_ But at least it won't happen so often accidentally.  Of
              course, then we wouldn't have the funny people freaking out
              about people deleteing their posts when it was really just
              someone not using motdedit...
              \_ How do you know the frequency of accidents now?
                 \_ Well, I wrote one resopnse to this and it was
                    overwritten with the current #1 post.  It happens to
                    me fairly frequently.
                    \_ Which doesn't mean that it was an accident.
        \_ Would you support it if it came with a two-minute lock?
           \_ So you're saying that the random destruction the wreck is
              better than having them wait in line?
        \_ Well I could make a user friendly interface that'll allow people
           to edit individual entries on Kais Motd. I can also add
           customization, like my.motd so that you can filter out Politics or
           categories you don't want to read. And I can add a "Was this page
           useful to you" button like on Amazon so that you search only
           useful posts. And, I can add accountability so that I can track
           down who posts trash and who posts useful stuff, but I promise to
           make it anonymous. The only draw back is that you'll have to have
           an external web account, and that the flow of motd is from
           Kais Motd->CSUA Motd, instead of the other way around. What do
           you all think?                                       -kchang
2004/5/10 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:30136 Activity:nil
5/10    What does it mean when they say Kerry is a "Boston Brahmin"?
        \_ Means he's one of the richie influential types in Boston,
           kind of like the "princes of Silicon Valley."
           \_ i really don't think any non media pundit freak type
              cares about that label, but i am amused it keeps getting
              repeated, kind of like arguing over vi and emacs in
                the real world
        \_ I haven't heard the term at all.  Is this just a troll to get me
           to say, "Actually, I hear Massachusetts Liberal a lot more"?
        \_ cf. http://slate.msn.com/id/2096401 ("What's a Boston Brahmin?")
2004/5/10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30137 Activity:very high
5/10    Torture means chopping off their fingers and cutting off their
        gentiles.  All you people complaining about the abuse in Iraq,
        I don't think it's torture! How else do you think we plan to
        find the WMD? Our soldiers are posing next to those people
        because it's fun, not torture! What do you think we should do?
        Give each of them a fucking lawyer so they won't have to tell
        us shit? -troll
        \_ Rumsfeld is doing a superb job. -Dubya
           \_ I agree. -OBL
              \_ Me too...oh wait... -SH
        \_ I support cutting off gentiles. --Radical Jewish Activist
        \_ I don't think "gentile" means quite what you think it means.
2004/5/10-11 [Uncategorized] UID:30138 Activity:moderate
5/10    LED ZEPPELIN IS SATANIC!
        http://www2.memlane.com/jmilner/stairwaybackwards.htm
        \_ But there's still time to change the road you're on.
2004/5/10-11 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:30139 Activity:nil
5/10    John Zogby: The Election is Kerry's To Lose
        http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews825.html
        Bush at 46% approval/51% dissapproval
        http://csua.org/u/78r (USA Today link)
        \_ Yes, all us liburals hope Kerry can't be WORSE than Gore.
        \_ Bush can lose the election, but Kerry can't win it.
        \_ Really sad to see that a majority of American's now
           hate America.
2004/5/10 [Reference/Military] UID:30140 Activity:very high
5/10    Now the Army Times has come out for Rumsfeld's resignation.
            \_ URL?
        \_ I was gonna say I find this ironic, but I guess it's not.  If
           Rummy takes the heat, the Army brass gets off cheap.
           \_ The army brass never much liked Rumsfeld.
              \_ The Army Times is more of a rank and file kind of
                 newspaper. 1/4 M read it, they can't all be brass.
                 Some vets read it, too.
2004/5/10-11 [Computer/Rants, Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW] UID:30141 Activity:nil
5/10    I hope responses don't go too much out of control, but I'll risk
        it. How much do you think Bill Gates himself had to do with
        the way MS currently runs as a business (practices like unfair
        strategies, software bundling, buggy code, non-original ideas,
        etc.)?
        \_ I think the policies are set 100% from the top. M$ has been
           like this from the beginning.
2004/5/10 [Recreation/Dating] UID:30142 Activity:high
5/10    Old, adj: Getting a no-subject-line email from a high school friend
        and not wanting to open it because you know someone died.
        \_ are you sure it isn't just spam? :(
           \_ Actually, that's about what it turned out to be- from a
              high school friend.  I'm not sure what adjective that defines.
2004/5/10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30143 Activity:high
5/10    What happens to the woman prisoners in Iraq? Oh wait, I am sure
        our guys are not stupid enough to film it or take pictures!
        -reading too much alt.sex.stories
        \_ you just wish there were pics + divx.
        \_ "b. Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees
           ... k.  A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee"
        \_ Oh man, I am already hard thinking about it! I want to join
           the military!!
        \_ http://www.sexinwar.com (not work safe, do I really need to say this?)
        \_ When is the civil war going to start?  My neighbor is cute but she
           is not interested in me because I am a conservative.
           \_ Try it buddy, we teach our liberal girls to bite down.
2004/5/10-11 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30144 Activity:nil
5/10    If you care about property rights.
        Final battle in the war for the West?
        http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38360
2004/5/10-11 [Health/Women] UID:30145 Activity:nil
5/10    Burned Alive
        http://csua.org/u/78x
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