Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2004:May:06 Thursday <Wednesday, Friday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2004/5/6 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:30039 Activity:insanely high
5/6     Highly anti-BushAdmin opinion piece in today's Washington Post
        (Actually, almost all the editorials and opinion pieces are like that
        \_ Yep, one day of many.  This will flush out of the news cycle in 48
           hours like everything else.
           \_ Except prisoner abuse is going to stick.
              \_ Will it?  I'll bet people who care about it are already
                 voting anti-Bush.
                 \_ The poll numbers from yesterday suggest that even
                    Republicans are losing faith.
                    \_ I'm a Republican living in an ultra leftist area of a
                       majority leftist state so I'm inundated with anti-Bush
                       noise constantly.  Keep dreaming.  --not losing anything
                       \_ Ah, I love a bunker mentality.  Execute Wing Attack
                          \_ Ain't nobody ever got the Go code yet. And old
                             Ripper wouldn't be giving us plan R unless them
                             Russkies had already clobbered Washington and a
                             lot of other towns with a sneak attack.
              \_ 48 hours news cycle.  You can set your clock to it.  From the
                 moment the last new abuse photos hit the wires +48 hours =
                 story dead.
                 \_ So, when will the "last" photo come out?
                    \_ Depends on how many there are, doesn't it?  Do you think
                       there will be a new photo every few days between now and
                       \_ The British investigation is just starting.  Who
                          knows how many CD-ROMs with photos are going to come
                          up?  The Arab world is completely bonkers about this.
                          The problem is, now they have something which they
                          can clearly complain about, and every American knows
                 \_ were you the one who think disbanding the Iraqi army
                    is a smart move?  obviously you don't realize how
                    how detrimental the photos and other even more
                    serious allegations of abuse are.  This thing won't
                    go away anytime soon.  It's way beyond the silly
                    little US news media by now.  It's going to come
                    back again and again for a very long time.
                    \_ No, he wasn't.  My point was never that disbanding the
                       Iraqi army was a good idea -- you projected that
                       interpretation because it's want you wanted to see.  My
                       point was always that you're a naive, unobjective,
                       ill-informed idiot.  You've just seen what you wanted
                       to see and heard what you wanted to hear.  Have a nice
                       life.  Maybe you'll even grow up one day.  And dammit.
                       I've been trolled.
                       \_ Nice try.  I clearly explained why disbanding the
                          Iraqi army was bad when I stated it.  These were the
                          very same reasons the US administration stated when
                          they realized it was a mistake and took step to try
                          to reverse the decision.  It's a classic case of
                          overconfidence in the US military's ability to
                          defeat any opposition which led to blatant disregard
                          for alienating the most well-trained people in
                          Iraq, many of whom joined the Iraqi army for the same
                          reason people join the US army - serving one's country.
                          Your need for name-calling goes to show you are the
                          only one who has some growing up to do.
                          \_ You continue to misremember the details of the
                             first argument and project your point of view
                             onto my position.  Reread the archives and try
                             thinking OBJECTIVELY.  And learn how to post to
                             motd correctly.
                    \_ what does one have to do with the other???  I understand
                       perfectly how damaging they are.  To Bush in the current
                       polls and election cycle.  Around the world it means
                       nothing.  Everyone who hates us will continue to do so.
                       No one needs any new excuses.  When we're perfect they
                       simply fabricate reasons to hate us.  Now they have a
                       reason and they'll hate us.  I don't see a difference.
                       \_ What does one has to do with the other?  They
                          both reflect a lack of knowledge with things
                          outside the US.  Iraq is an international stage,
                          and it is also the focus of media all over the
                          world, and with our involvement there, the focus
                          of the US media.  If you don't want
                          international events to have repercussions on
                          you, stay home.
        \_ csuamotd/csuamotd does not work, what's the login?
2004/5/6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30040 Activity:very high
5/6     Wow, 62% of Americans are dissatisfied with the way things are going
        in the U.S., up from 55% in January.  53% disapprove of Bush's
        handling of foreign affairs.
        If you think these numbers will be going down, you should visit the
        news sites today.  It's worse than what the motd currently has.
        \_ 5 months from now the Saudi government will drastically lower
           the price of oil causing Bush's poll numbers to skyrocket.
           \_ nah, bush policies generating too many terrorists, and
              is destablizing saudi arabia.
        \_ In the next 6 months a shitload of them and their family/friends
           will be getting jobs and raises and the news will be reporting the
           Bush economic miracle.  It's a long time to the election.
           \_ Except prisoner abuse is going to stick.
              Economic miracle?  Greenspan wants to raise interest rates,
              although I could see Bush keeping it down to help his re-election
              \_ As above.  48 news cycle.  Interest rates aren't going any
                 where until after November and even if they went up a half
                 point they'd still be at 30+ year lows.  You think they'll
                 suddenly raise rates by 4 points??
                 \_ Search for "interest rate increase":  AP
                    May 5 - "The view of a growing number of economists that
                    the central bank's first rate increase in more than four
                    years will come this summer solidified Tuesday as Federal
                    Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and his colleagues decided
                    to keep a key short-term interest rate at a 46-year low.
                    In doing so, however, the Fair Market Policy Committee
                    dropped a promise to be 'patient' before it starts raising
                    rates."  Up 4 points?  Are you so fucking stupid to think
                    I'm so fucking stupid to suggest that?  Anyway, you know
                    how investors are, the effect on the stock market, and the
                    subsequent ripple effect with even a minor increase in
                    rates.  I don't really think you need me to tell you that.
                    Okay, fuck it, I've said my piece, I'm getting back to
                    \_ Even if they do, the market is self rationalizing.
                       Nothing will happen "because the market has already
                       taken this into account since Greenspan projected his
                       plans back in early May after the last metting".  There
                       is no logic to the market.  Only crowd following, greed
                       and lots of randomness.
                       \_ The point was weakening the "economic miracle"
                          theory you are putting forth.  I can't believe I'm
                          back here arguing.  Okay, now I'm out of here.
2004/5/6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:30041 Activity:nil
5/6     President chastised Rumsfeld (With a paddle?)
2004/5/6 [Politics] UID:30042 Activity:high
5/6     US falling behind in science
        \_ Old news.  So old, they've already debated it on NPR.
        \_ if anything this is GOOD NEWS. This means that people in the
           sciences (IT, sysadm, developers etc) are in demand and will get
           paid higher.
2004/5/6 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China] UID:30043 Activity:moderate
5/6     Chinese diplomats rush past lab guards
        \_ This has only been reported in the Moonie Mag.  Wtf?
           \_ It was reported all sorts of places.  Your ignorance is not
              everyone else's problem.  Also, it is just plain silly to
              dismiss a paper because there's some association with some
              group you dislike.  You have never *once* been able to come
              up with any sort of misreporting or lying from the WT.  Take
              your anti-WT trolling elsewhere.
              \_ Whoa, chill out.  If it's been reported elsewhere, why
                 doesn't it appear in a search of Google News?  As for the
                 Washington Times' respectability, when a senior white house
                 correspondent resigns from a news-agency after years of
                 dedicated and exemplary service, doesn't that set your
                 spidey-sense tingling?
                 \_ Because your search fu is weak?
              \_ How many times did WT report that "WMD found!"
                 \_ I don't know.  You tell me since you seem to have so many
                    references that say that.
2004/5/6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, ERROR, uid:30044, category id '18005#6.3475' has no name! , ] UID:30044 Activity:moderate
5/6     The Worst Ex-President
        \_ It's too bad that the FP interviewer here comes across as so
           anti-liberal/Carter, it cheapens what are otherwise a
           set of valid points by Hayward.
        \_ at least he limits it to "ex" presidents
           \_ Since he's discussing how presidents act once they're out of
              office, it would be pretty silly to include the current
              president in the discussion.  Don't cha think?
2004/5/6 [Uncategorized] UID:30045 Activity:very high
5/6     You people who keep posting the same old political bullshit, nobody
        on either the right or the left really gives a flaming fuck about
        your opinion or your regurgitation of what's going on in the world.
        \_ Go Beah!
        \_ Why do you hate America?
           \_ Because I can! WooHoo!
        \_ "You people"?  Take your racist crap to yermom.  She might care.
        \_ In all honesty, I truly believe that posting the same old
           political bullshit will destabalize the middle east for years
           to come.
2004/5/6 [Uncategorized] UID:30046 Activity:nil
5/6     I'm getting spam at I've never given the addr
        to anyone. What's going on?
        \_ spammers "guess" at addresses.  If they have op@anythingelse in
           their database, they'll try it at all their major mail servers. -tom
2004/5/6 [Politics/Domestic/California, Computer/SW/SpamAssassin, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:30047 Activity:high
5/6     Guys guys, PLEASE!!! 1 or 2 political posts are ok, but 8-10 posts
        on why Bush sucks, how his rating's decr, what he's doing wrong,
        that even the Rep. are losing faith, etc etc. is just too much.
        Most of the Sodans already hate eBush and are not gonna vote
        for him anyways, why not post something interesting and original?
        We have enough trash and spam to deal with already, please be nice
        and stop the motd spam.
        \_ learn to ignore shit if you don't want to read it.
        \_ Learn how to nuke the motd.
2004/5/6 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30048 Activity:high
5/6     Depressing profile of the female soldier pointing at the Iraqi's
        genitals in that picture: (The Daily Telegraph)
        \_ "'To the country boys here [in West Virginia], if you're a
             different nationality, a different race, you're sub-human.
             That's the way girls like Lynndie are raised.'"
                    \- yes, let's protect Human Cockroaches like this because
                       they are fellow americans. NO OUTSOURCING!
                       \_ You win the non-sequiter of the day award.
           \_ Actually sounds like they'd get along just fine in Iraq.  We
              should ship them all there.
              \_ as long as we get them the fuck out of here!
        \_ Most depressing is that isn't just West Virginia. That's VA,
           SC, NC, Georgia, and the rest of the south. Trust me, I live there.
           And don't bring up "big city" counterexamples, you kno wwhat I mean.
2004/5/6 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:30049 Activity:high
5/6     I am tired of overwriting someone else's post.  What's the path
        to motdedit?  It's not in my path.
        \_ /csua/bin
        \_ yet another reason why we would make motd root-ONLY writable, and
           setup a setuid binary that 1) keeps track of who editted what
           lines using CVS/RCS (but keeping it anonymous to the general
           public) and 2) to prevent clobbering of files using merge, built
           into the binary/script of course.
           \_ (1) setuid root = more trouble than it's worth. it's a fucking
              motd... , (2) doesn't motdedit use merge anyways?
2004/5/6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:30050 Activity:high
5/6     Now THIS is hilarious.  2000 election results ranked by average IQ:
        \_ Assuming this is accurate... have you ever noticed how common sense
           seems to vary inversely with IQ?
           \_ No.  Your hypothesis is flawed.  That said, I mostly just thought
              this was funny and in no way illuminates any real truth.  IQ
              data is notoriously bad in all sorts of ways and shouldn't
              be a basis for any kind of policy.  --op
              \_ Though you really have to be a little challenged to vote for
                 people who back fiscal policies that directly or indirectly
                 hurt you.
              \_ yeah, it's very hard to believe that there are three states
                 with averages over 110, and five states with averages under 90
                 \_ Have you ever actually been to those states? I have,
                    and I don't find it that hard to believe.
2004/5/6 [Uncategorized] UID:30051 Activity:very high
5/6     Survey: so how many people on soda have gmail accounts now?
        \_ i do (but dont use it)
        \_ I do.  Use it a little, considering using it more.
        \_ i do, but don't plan to use it. It's just a matter of time before
           spammers get the address and start trashing it with well written
           spams that easily bypass the latest and greatest anti-spam
        \_ i do.  started sending all my daily/weekly news to it and
           it's worked quite well.
        \_ i do
        \_ I do, I use it for mailing list mail
2004/5/6 [Recreation/Activities, Recreation/Dating] UID:30052 Activity:very high 50%like:11719
5/6     What are your (non-sex) related hobbies?
        \_ war craft
        \_ coding
           \_ coding what?
              \_ virtual girlfriend teri v11.0 of course.
        \_ golf
           \_ handicap?
        \_ home improvement
        \_ Collecting movies and TV shows off p2p
        \_ I am more interested in knowing what a sex-related hobby is.
        \_ USE LINUX!
        \_ furniture building.  Oh wait, that's sex related.  Norm Abrams
           regularly takes it up the ass from me and Bob Vila
           \_ Screw you. Norm takes it up the ass from no one, especially Vila.
        \_ cooking
        \_ Nuking the motd.
        \_ sailing, cal sports, gardening, fixing up my house
        \_ reading the motd
        \_ Running, ultimate frisbee, classical music (indian/western),
           writing, gardening, travel and photography
           \_ psb, is that you? -psb #2 fan
        \_ Texas Hold'em Poker!
           \_ for money?
2004/5/6 [Science/Space, Reference/RealEstate] UID:30053 Activity:very high
5/6     After moving into an apartment in BA, I began to notice that sticky and
        pinkish (lighter than rust color) stuff over areas on the bathtub and
        sinks in the kitchen and bathroom.  Although it seeps mostly next to
        faucets housing where water usually seeps out, it also builds up along
        the edge of bathtub.  What is it and does it come from the water,
        the water pipes, or the faucet?
        \_ The pink stuff is microbial growth - either bacterial or mildew
           resulting from a bathroom with poor ventilation and no fan. My wife
           and clean this every couple of months with a toohbrush and very mild
           bleach solution. It takes no more than about five minutes.
        \_ It's alive. Growing.  Not mineral.
        \_ Quite possibly a mix of soap scum and mineral buildup.
           \_ Why is it sticky (almost like grease)?  It's not where I pour
              \_ Soap scum is generally from accumulation of splashed soapy
                 water.  Just clean you bathroom.
              \_ Have you ever felt moss on a tree or ground, very slimy/
                 slippery, same thing, mildew, mold of that
                 type tends to be like that.
        \_ bleach, cleanser, lime scale remover, repeat.
        \_ Speaking of cleaning, how do you clean the bathtub bottom?
           You know, the area that's anti-slippery but also traps
           dirt.  It looks a little darkish and I can't seem to clean it
           out but scrubbing.
           \_ blee-och!
           \_ softscub + scotchbrite
2004/5/6 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Compilers] UID:30054 Activity:moderate
5/6     I'm trying to use "#define errno WSAGetLastError()" in a winsock
        file, but the compiler says errno is already #def'ed.  I can't
        just run cpp on the file--it's a crappy ide-based compiler--so
        I'd like to do something like printf("errno"), but of course that
        just prints "errno" instead of the preprocessor's notion of what
        errno is #def'ed to.  What should I do instead?
        \_ errno is already defined because it's part of the c-library.  Do
           One of the following:
           call perror() : This will print an error description to stderr
           use strerror(errno) to get the error string and print it however you
           use strerror_r(errno, mybuffer, mybuffer_length) to put the error
           string into your buffer mybuffer
           \_ Sorry, should have explained myself a bit more-- this is a socket
              protocol wrapper file that's compiled into windows, unix, cygwin,
              and vxworks objects.  I'm doing a lot of
                rc = select(...);
                if (rc && EWOULDBLOCK == errno) { /* handle blocking error */
              so I really need the #def to work correctly.  I could just undef
              errno for winsock and then re-#define it, but I'd like to know
              what it evaluates to first.
        \_ Many compilers allow you to compile only the preprocessor step.  For
           instance, with Visual C++ 6 you can add "/E" to the compile options
           and you'll get the preprocessor output in the build window (and .plg
        \_ May I ask why you need to alias WSAGetLastError() to the preexisting
           #define errno?  Why not use a different label?
           \_ Every library except winsock uses errno to report the error, so it
              seemed relatively natural to keep it consistent.  I guess I could
              use MY_FOO_ERROR instead, but that would require a #else to the
              #ifdef _WINSOCK_H.  Also, I'm kinda curious how to print the
              evaluated macro at runtime.
        \_ if you really wanted, you could #undef errno first.  I don't see
           what using a crappy IDE-based compiler has to do with anything;
           it doesn't stop you from running cpp.  Anyhow, if you want to see
           what errno is #define'd to, see this:
           \_ Thanks, this is exactly it.  Errno was #def'ed to *_GetErrno()
              and I didn't want to #undef it if it was already "magically" set
              to WSAGetLastError by <winsock.h>.  Also, running cpp on the file
              says that errno was #def'ed to *__errno().
2004/5/6 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:30055 Activity:high
5/6     What's UN hiding?,2933,119116,00.html
        \_ If you're gonna troll, you have to find a halfway believable
           news agency.
           \_ This is no troll you you half-wit.  Do you think the U.N.
              Doesn't have anything to hide?  Like most
              Americans, this story is probably not the kind of thing
              you have the attention span to pay attention to.
              \_ Show me something you didn't find on foxnews or freepnet,
                 and we'll go from there.
           \_ Fox News is a believable news agency.  Their editorial page is
              right-leaning, not the straight news.
              \_ I guess if you believe that you'll believe anything.  Anyone
                 who reads, say, the NYTimes even casually will notice the
                 editorial bias in the regular news.  On the right wing side,
                 the same goes for the WSJ in recent years (tho before 1995
                 they were a little better about it).  The "wall" between
                 hard news and editorial doesn't really exist.
                 \_ I should have put a sarcastic smiley in of course.  My
                    point was this is what people keep saying about the NYT,
                    yet no one describes NYT as not being "halfway believable".
                    \_ Bias is an inherent part of human nature, I think.  The
                       key is get your news from lots of sources and take
                       everything with a grain of salt.
                 Fox News reports or wholly fabricates stories about departing
                 White House staffers
        Fox News makes its own news by unmasking
                 Richard Clarke.
        \_ Massive corruption of course.
2004/5/6-9 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:30056 Activity:nil
5/6     Looking for UNIX System Programmer, Python and Java proficiency
        is highly desirable.  Also looking for an Oracle expert who
        also knows Java and Python:    -jeffwong
        Located in sunny downtown Oakland near BART.
2004/5/6 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Reference/History/WW2] UID:30057 Activity:high
5/6     If Congress approves the $25 Billion request from Bush for the Iraq
        War, total costs so far will equal $174 billion.  Contrast this with
        WWI which cost $199 billion in 2002 dollars.  How much was WWII?  I'm
        wondering how much it will take to equal all spending on all our
        wars in the 20th century, minus the Cold War of course.
        \_ Maybe stuff costs a lot more now than during the 40's even when you
           adjust for inflation?  I don't know, just a thought.
           Also, we are paying to rebuild a country.  I think the WWI cost
           is just to cost of defeating the German army.  Also, our military
           used less equipment back then than it does now.
           \_ Definitely, but it doesn't subtract from the enormity of the cost.
              The invasion and occupation has cost the same as the cost to
              police all the streets, administer all the laws, in every
              jurisdiction of the entire United States for a year.
        \_ In WW1, America didn't take the brunt of fighting. The French
           took the most. Started 1914, America joins 1917 after a slow
           buildup of diplomatic incidents. Armistice 1918. Versailles
           treaty sets up WW2. USA didn't occupy Germany.
        \_ GPS bombs cost a lot more than dumb bombs.  Also, casualties are a
           lot lower, partially due to the high-tech stuff.
2004/5/6 [Science/Battery, Computer/Companies/Ebay] UID:30058 Activity:nil
5/6     i am shopping for digital camera's battery.  where is a good
        reputable place to get it?  i looked at ebay.  the prices are
        attractive but i don't want my battery to explode and damage
        my camera.
        \_ i just went to fry's to buy a spare for my canon s45
        \_ ebay, fry's, amazon,
2004/5/6 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan, Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton] UID:30059 Activity:very high
5/6     Rush Limbaugh on the Abu Ghraib incidents:
        \_ Got a transcript? I can't listen to him at work.
           \_ Got a transcript?  I can't listen to him.
           \_ Partial transcript here:
        \_ Despicable, and one more reason conservatives should abandon Rush.
           Compare that to Glenn Beck's comments that he supports the troops
           but would like to spit in the face of the soldiers who did this.
        \_ Wow.  Talk about taking things out of context.  When will he start
           saying that the prisoners were having fun too?
           \_ "When you invade a country, you have to break some eggs.
               My enemies are blowing this out of proportion, to get to ME."
                  -Dick Cheney
                   \-"The Iraqis should be glad they were abused by Americans.
                      If they had been abused by Italians for Japanese, then
                      it would have been even more humiliating." -D. Cheney
           \_ Well, the (not so) silent majority of Americans think they are.
2004/5/6 [Computer/SW/Compilers] UID:30060 Activity:high
5/6     I've been out of school for too long.  If I want to write a simple
        compiler, what tools do I need besides yacc and what do they do?
        Thanks a bunch!
        \_ well there's also lex (flex) for the lexical analyzer (tokenizing).
        \_ java or c? if c, lex/flex=good tokenizer. yacc/bison are great
           for grammar. both are LALR so they're pretty powerful.
           \_ I'm not actually writing a compiler.  What I really want is to
              generate some C code that can read simple script files and
              perform some actions.  For example, if the C code reads this
                        REPEAT 10
                            DELAY 3
              it'll perform a for-loop 10 times calling sleep(3) and foo().  So
              I thought what I need is pretty much the front part of a
              compiler.  Thanks for any help.
              \_ I've been going through this with guys at work who always
                 want to add scripting capabilities to their apps.  Check out
                 SWIG; it lets you call scripts from C code and vice versa,
                 and your scripts can be python, perl, ruby, java, lisp, scheme,
                 whatever you want to allow.
2004/5/6 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:30061 Activity:nil
5/6     Good job blowing away the motd, emarkp:
emarkp   77172  0.0  0.2  1908 1380  DO  I+    4:39PM   0:00.07 /usr/local/bin/p\
erl /home/sequent/emarkp/bin/ /etc/motd.public
        \_ restored.
        \_ isn't changing the motd.public via a script squishable?
2004/5/6 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs] UID:30062 Activity:nil
5/6     Why does my emacs 21.2 keep asking me for confirmation when I do
        ctrl-x-ctrl-s to save a file? it's fsking annoying!
2004/5/6 [Computer/HW/Drives, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:30063 Activity:nil
5/6     Does anyone know of multi-drive IDE to Firewire or USB2 enclosures?
        Preferably something that can hold 2-4 drives.
           I have no idea how good this product is.
           \_ It countains about $800 of drives, and sells for $1200.  I was
              hoping for just an enclosure and under $200
        \_ makes multi-bay Firewire enclosures.
           Call or email them for prices and distributors.  I think you can
           find some on newegg or maybe compgeeks too.
           \_ Thanks!
2004/5/6 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:30064 Activity:high
5/6     Can a laptop (IBM thinkpad 600) go through the airport Xray
        in suspend mode (NOT hibernated) without having problems?
        If so, how does RAM not get corrupted?
        \_ I don't know.  But if the Customs person decides to pop the battery
           to inspect it, RAM still gets corrupted.
        \_ I've done it with various thinkpads over the years, with no
           problems.  I've also wondered whether laptops in suspend (vs
           completely shut off) would still interfere with airplane
        \_ Why not just hibernate and be sure?
           \_ It's old and I don't have linux configured for hibernate.
2004/5/6 [Science/Disaster] UID:30065 Activity:high
5/6     If I run an old Pentium2 without a case, what will happen?
        (motherboard with stand-off's, CPU,RAM, video card, nic,
         power-supply, hard disk,  all sitting on desk.)
        \_ It likely won't get proper cooling, since cases are designed
           to blow air over the hot parts.
           \_ If it's out in the open, it can get good convection all on its
              own.  If it's in a closed metal box, then you need a case fan.
              \_ convection is not the same as circulation.
        \_ Don't spill your coffee on it, and make sure the dust doesn't get
           *too* thick, and you should be fine.  You'll need to keep it
           isolated from static shock, and don't touch it without your own
           anti-static protection.
           \_ What is "static shock"?
              \_ Do you know what static electricity is?  Amounts of it far
                 too small for you to feel can fry computer parts.  You need to
                 put the parts on a surface where they won't build up a static
                 charge.  And if you want to touch the parts, you'll need to
                 make sure *you* don't have a static charge.
                 \_ That's not true. Most solid state devices have EMS
                    protection built around the pads, so small amounts of
                    EMS will not likely destroy a device. Modern day CMOS
                    devices fail more due to age which may cause SCR latchup
                    and EMS problems. The point of an anti-static environment
                    is to prevent large EMS from building up, not to prevent
                    EMS from happening at all, which would be impossible.
                 \_ Will a grounded power supply dissipate static?
                    \_ If you have a grounded PS and place everything on an
                       anti-static surface (such as those anti-static parts
                       bags, or cotton or felt cloth) you should be OK.
                       \_ What about cardboard for an anti-static surface?
                          \_ If unpainted, OK.
                 \_ Is that why they call it "Fry's Electronics"?
        \_ If you already have a PS, you can probably pick up a bare case for
           free or $5 off craigslist.  Also, the co-op houses have free piles
           that often have junker cases in them.  Hell, I see stripped cases
           on the curb around town every week or two.
2004/5/6 [Uncategorized] UID:30066 Activity:high
5/6     Nice lefty work erasing the Jim Angle and criticism of FAIR.
        \_ Who deleted the FAIR link in the first place, hypocrite?
2004/5/6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:30067 Activity:nil
5/6     What are some key similarities differences between /. and motd?
        I'll start with the similarities:
        \_ publicly available to read
        \_ anyone can troll
        \_ anyone can post anonymously
        \_ lots of topics ranging from politics to computers
        \_ anyone can censor the motd
        \_ anyone can change 1-2 words from the original post to make it funny
           \_ but it isn't funny most or all of the time.
        \_ only CSUA members can post on the motd
        \_ motd is a lot more political, and has more personal attacks
        \_ You can't moderate.
           \_ You can in as much as people censor and uncensor posts, and
              lively threads tend to go longer before being purged for being
              stale and boring.
2004/5/6-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:30068 Activity:very high
5/6     Some of my posts lived less than 4 hours. If this keeps up I will
        start my 5 day motd nuke campaign.
        \_ again?
        \_ would you please mark your posts in some way so we won't blow
           them away accidentally?
        \_ just ask tom to stop censoring your stuff.  if you ask nicely and
           fluff his ego a bit it might help.
           \_ Just what evidence do ppl have accusing him of censorship?
              \_ I'll rise to the bait.  Tom is direct, opinionated, often
                 wrong, and occasionally abusive, but your type takes the
                 cake in the pathetic, cowardly loser department.  Give it
                 up, you sad no-life fuck.  You're neither witty nor
                 insightful (nor am I but I'm not trying to be.)  You are
                 worthy of nothing but scorn, bottom-feeder.  -John
                 \_ Who are you replying to?  The guy who wants to know why
                    people accuse tom of being the censor or the guy who said
                    tom censors?  I didn't see anyone trying to be witty.
              \_ Tom is a loser on many fronts, but I doubt this is he.
                 There are a lot of more obvious Tom-bashing threads
                 which persist for a while.  -Tom Watcher #1
                 \_ He doesn't censor threads about himself because he loves
                    attention and conflict.  I've caught him any number of
                    times.  When busted he makes up some lame reason why a
                    thread doesn't belong on the motd.  Then he gets put in
                    his place and censors the whole thing, I assume because
                    there's a difference between conflict and looking stupid.
                    \_ Can you put your evidence somewhere?  Why are you
                       making an anonymous accusation?  Is this about Tom
                       or about his political view, meaning he censors
                       when he can't argue about a topic?
                       \_ No, I think this is about Tom.  He's an artful
                          combination of unpleasant characteristics, his
                          politics aside.
                          \_ I wouldn't know his politics since he never posts,
                             only censors.  (now some twit will find a random
                             political post from tom from 1993)
                             \_ You're being obtuse; you can yourself find
                                political comments signed by me, as recently
                                as yesterday.  -tom
                                \_ Like I said.  Yes, you have *very* recently
                                   started posting, but prior to the last 2
                                   weeks you have a multi year record of
                                   censorship without comment.  I find your
                                   hypocritical actions particularly amusing.
                                   You abuse others for not signing when they
                                   reply or post but then commit the crime of
                                   anonymous censorship.  *And* I've seen you
                                   go back several times to keep deleting a
                                   topic you don't want others to talk about.
                                   You're a hypocrite *and* a liar.  You're a
                                   man of low moral character and have earned
                                   the disrespect and contempt of others as
                                   seen on the motd over the years.
                                   \-Let me speak honestly, frankly,
                                     openheartedly. You are a liar.
                                        --Le Duc Tho to Henry Kissinger
                   \_ After so many comments, I am still waiting to see ANY
                      evidence that he censored the motd.
2004/5/6 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:30069 Activity:nil
5/6     Good job blowing away the motd, emarkp:
        \_ This post is ridiculously stupid.  I can't count the number of
           things emarkp has posted here that I disagree with, but he doesn't
           delete things or censor them.
        \_ Don't presume that scripts that access the motd modify the motd.
           However, just to make it easier on your overwrought brain, I've
           changed my alias to explicitly cat the motd and pipe it throught the
           script.  HTH.  -emarkp
2004/5/6-7 [Computer/SW/Unix, Computer/SW/Security] UID:30070 Activity:high
5/6     Let the good times roll!:
        \_ Instead of me just purging your link, how about you give it a brief
           description so we know if there's a reason to check it and if it
           is work safe or not?  Then it might have reason to live.
           \_ Its something about the current oil prices, an opinion piece from
              an investment website.  I suspect PeakOil guy posted it.  -- !op
        \_ Oil has Peaked!  Jesus is coming!  Look busy!
2004/5/6 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:30071 Activity:nil
5/6     Cover of the new Economist:
        \_Damn liberal media
        \_ And where were the calls for Reno to step down after she immolated
           a few dozen children and women in Waco?
           \_ I see.  It's her fault they were too nutty to leave the building?
              In any case, some people *did* call for her to step down at the
              \_ Uh, I don't think you are very familiar with that incident.
                   -- ilyas
                 \_ Most of America agrees with him:
                    \_ Over 100 people were immolated by the Fed government and
                       you respond with a fucking poll!!??  The MOTD is
                       populated with fascist leftists.. I see that now.
              \_ Can someone tell me what religions are sacntioned by the Fed
                 government so I don't have to be worried about immolation?
                 \_ just try to tone down the incest, pedophilia, and weapons
                    \_ Good little fascist.  Why don't you scroll through these
                       autopsy photographs:
           \_ All over the place, don't you remember? Republicans in Congress
              demanded that she step down.
              \_ On the cover of the economist? the washington post? the
                 \_ latimes ran an opinion piece saying she should step down
                    over it in 1999.
                    \_ oooh an opinion piece on page A21.  You're position is
                       completely vindicated!
                 \_ The story behind the cover is likely that Democrats are
                    calling for Rumsfeld's resignation.  The cover looks like
                    The Economist is calling for hist resignation, but it's
                    probably just reporting that others are doing it.  Bad
                    cover IMO. -emarkp
                    \_ No, I read the article, the economist is calling for
                       him to resign.  This doesn't surprise me, however.
                       Waco is an internal incident -- Iraq has international
                       ramifications (well you can argue Waco does too...)
                       Certainly, I consider both incidents atrocities.
                         -- ilyas
2004/5/6 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:30072 Activity:nil
5/6     The case for staying the course in Iraq: an Arab perspective:§ion=0&article=44450&d=7&m=5&y=2004
        \_ A traitor to his people and the war against the Zionist Entity.
2004/5/6-7 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll/Ilyas, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll] UID:30073 Activity:high
5/6     [ all threads up to most recent censored one go, tom ]
        \_ you can keep blaming me if you want, but you're wrong.  -tom
           \_ You are the bogeyman for the 21st century CSUA.  I hope the
              politburo catches you before the next election. -- ilyas
              \_ Is he really the bogeyman if he really is the motd censor?
                 \_ Yes, even then, because censoring the motd for content
                    reasons is stupid, not evil. -- ilyas
                    \_ Doesn't intent matter re: stupid vs. evil?
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