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2004/5/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:29953 Activity:insanely high
5/3     To whomever was asking about utilizing Word for long manuscripts,
           \_ humane, compare with stucking broom stick and chemical lights
              right in those prisoner's ass, rape and electrical shocks
              routinely used by the US Army Intelligence unit.  (go read
              New Yorker yourself when you got a chance).
              \_ this is amusingly nonsequiter.  motdedit is lame.
        please realise that since at least Word 2000 there has been the
        option to utilize subdocuments and combine them together into one
        large document. Word is quite capable of handling complex document
        structures and pagination and TOCing and indexing if you just learn
        how. I would suggest that you or your mother invest in a good book
        on advanced MS Word functionality. --williamc
        \_ it's my friend's mom, but this is great advice. thanks. i'll make
           my friend figure out the details
2004/5/3-4 [Recreation/Food] UID:29954 Activity:insanely high
5/2     History: Noah's Bagel opened up on Telegraph in 92/93. Is it still
        around? It was October, 1993... I was turning in my 60a HW and on
        the way I bought a .50 bagel and got tricked into buying their
        special $2.00 strawberry cream cheese. I blew 2 friggin dollars...
        worth good 6 cup-o-noodles that I could have eaten while playing
        diku-mud. Instead all I got was this stingy little pack of
        cream cheese. Damnit!!! Is it still around? IS IT??? -bitter old alum
        \_ Weaksauce.  You were still playing diku-muds in 93?
           I was already on AP because of diku-muds by 92.
           BTW, you could have gone down the street to one of the
           various bakeries and bought a day old loaf of bread for
           that much and eaten for a week.  Thats how I survived
           spring break.
        \_ It's still around, and Noah's as a whole is springing up
           everywhere.  There were some teevee ads a few months ago,
           but I haven't seen them recently.  I've been told that the
           one on Telegraph is the very first one, is this true?
2004/5/3-4 [Recreation/Activities, Computer/SW/OS/Solaris] UID:29955 Activity:very high
5/2     Is anybody running SpamAssassin on SOLARIS (5.7)?
        Does it run reliably?  Easy/Hard to install?
        \_ I've run it on Solaris 5.8.  Everything runs fine except for spamd
           which segfaults on startup.  I'm not sure why and haven't had the
           time to look into it any further.  Though this begs the question,
           why are you still running 5.7?  5.8 is pretty crufty and ancient, I
           can only imagine what 5.7 is like. -dans
           \_ I've run spamd for long periods on Solaris 8 before, and it's
              been pretty reliable.
           \_ 5.8 isn't much different from 5.7.  Many old 5.7 sites saw no
              reason to up to 5.8 because, well, there aren't any.  5.9 added
              a few things for some people.  5.10 might actually be new.  For
              the average joe running spamassassin on some old box he might as
              well be running anything from 2.51 to 2.9 for all it matters.
              \- anybody running crm114? having dealt with a reasonable
                 number of programs that can be described as "do complicated
                 analysis on hostile input", SA makes me nervous ...
                 especially when your are getting the arb input both in terms
                 of mail and users writing fairly arbitrary "policy". --psb
                 \_ I've been running crm114 for about 2 months but only doing
                    a small amount of training.  It does at least as well as
                    spamassassin even though I'm not training it like I should
                    be.  If SA catches it, crm114 mostly will.  crm114 catches
                    many things SA doesn't.  Unfortunately, a few things still
                    slip by *both*.  Yes, I'm using both on the same stream.
2004/5/3-4 [Politics/Domestic, Politics] UID:29956 Activity:insanely high
5/3     How many of you would support the President in his capacity as
        Commander-in-Chief issuing an apology [to whom?] for the conduct
        and pictures at the military prison in Iraq.
        \_ Actions speak louder than words.  The Americans who did that
           should be caned, at a minimum.
           \_ I mean in addition to individual disciplining.  Just the
              "sorry about the bad apples in the US Military basket"
              doesnt seem like enough.  It's not reasonable to claim
              "this was part of military interrogation" considering the
              "souvenir pictures" that were taken.  For the US to try
              to get off "cheap" will cost more in the end.
              \_ they were stucking broom stick and chemical lights right
                 in those prisoner's ass. Other than that,  rape
                 and electrical shocks are common method used by the
                 Army Intelligence unit.  I suspect this is also happening
                 in Guantamano Bay as well.
        \_ We are the guardians of Democracy and Human Right.  These video
           has again prove that our interrogation methods are far more humane
           than Saddam's.
           \_ public execution of those soldiers would help, and I am not
              kidding.
              \_ you're an idiot.  we still have laws.  they are being
                 followed to the letter in this case.
        \_ Apologizing means very little.  Publicly punishing/humiliating
           those responsible, for the world to see, might be more useful.
           \_ It isnt an either/or choice.
2004/5/3-4 [Science/Electric, Reference/Tax] UID:29957 Activity:insanely high
5/3     This is what should be taught in schools: http://www.fixedearth.com
        As a real conservative, I want to save tax money by not funding this
        current "secular science" education.
        \_ Mm... a crank as well as an anti-semite.
        \_ Grade school should be nothing more than the 3Rs.
2004/5/3-4 [Computer/Networking] UID:29958 Activity:high
5/03    What's people's idea on running an unsecured WiFi AP as a method of
        plausible deniability for any P2P traffic on your DSL line?  Clever
        or stupid idea?
        \_ Not sure, but there are some ISP that restricts you from running
           more than one computer off the line.  And then there are companies
           like Earthlink who want to charge you extra to allow sharing.
           \_ SBC and Speakeasy allow it.  They both charge more for static IP
              and extra IPs, however.
              \_ It's not hard to set up NAT/DHCP.
        \_ FBI: Your line, your responsibility, your fine.  Stupid idea.
2004/5/3-4 [Computer/Rants, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:29959 Activity:very high
5/3     The new $50 bill:
        http://www.moneyfactory.com/newmoney/main.cfm/currency/new50
        \_ Who uses $50s?  I thought $100s were the drug dealer cash of
           choice.
           \_ $100s for the middle men on up, $20s for the street trash.
              \_ Middle men and higher use $20's becuase everyone gets paid by
                 the lower tier.
                 \_ Gotta change them into $100s though.  The US $100 has long
                    been a currency of choice for international crime and
                    terrorism of all kinds, because of its decent cash/weight
                    ratio.  I'd hate to take a million dollars worth of $20
                    over the border in a suitcase (well, several suitcases).
                    \_ People moving pounds of weed use $20's.  I'd say for MJ
                       that is top-tier.
                    \_ I've heard the 100 Euro note is taking over due to
                       inflation (internationally)
                       \_ There is also a 500 Euro note.
                       \_ What about the 500 Euro note?
                          Why does the AMC keep deleting this comment?
                          Jesus Fuck, you can't even make an innocuous comment
                          anymore without some asswipe taking offense.
                          \_ Innocuous comments get deleted by people who don't
                             use motdedit squishing changes, or people using
                             motdedit squishing changes of people without a
                             file lock.
                             \_ they also get deleted when the whole motd is
                                deleted, then restored by someone with a stale
                                copy.
                          \_ What will Warren Buffet say about this?
2004/5/3-4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:29960 Activity:insanely high
5/3     Does anyone have a link to a picture of this year's csua t-shirt
        design?
        \_ Yes.
        \_ http://soda.berkeley.edu/~jvarga/images
           one of those
2004/5/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Domestic/Crime] UID:29961 Activity:very high
5/3     "I went down to Tier 1 (the cellblock where much of the abuse is said
        to have occurred) and when I looked down the corridor, I saw two
        naked detainees, one masturbating to another kneeling with its mouth
        open," he is quoted as saying. "I thought I should just get out of
        there. I didn't think it was right, as it seemed like the wrong thing
        to do. I saw Staff Sergeant Frederick walking towards me, and he
        said, `Look what these animals do when you leave them alone for two
        seconds.'" -NY Times
        ... quoted General Taguba as saying the military police and
        intelligence officials had committed "sadistic, blatant and wanton
        criminal abuses," including sodomizing a prisoner "with a chemical
        light and perhaps a broomstick." -NY Times again
        In the report, Taguba also noted that "many individual soldiers" and
        some units in the 800th had "persevered in extremely poor conditions"
        and upheld "Army values." For instance, he commended a Navy dog
        handler who "knew his duties and refused to participate in improper
        interrogations despite significant pressure from military
        intelligence personnel at Abu Ghraib" and two Army military policemen
        who he said blew the whistle on abuses. -LA Times
        \_ Why there shoud be no gays and women in the military.  All
           the photos show is hazing, poor Muslim babies.
        \_ so what's your point?
           \_ everyone knows the photos, but not the above
              http://cnn.com on Sunday was all about the rescued contractor (Hamill)
              \_ everyone?  All of this has been all over.  Even Fox was
                 broadcasting it.  What are you reading that didn't carry it?
2004/5/3-4 [Reference/RealEstate, Reference/BayArea] UID:29962 Activity:moderate
5/3     I'll be working at the Powerbar building this summer and I need
        housing from late June to late September. If you have a place to
        sublet or have a room to rent near the Berkeley/Oakland/Walnut Creek
        please email me, thanks                         -kchang
                                                         \_ wtf?
        \_ and just to authenticate myself, here:
{soda}/home/apollo/kchang/bin> last kchang
kchang           ttyAX    131.179.224.88   Mon May  3 11:15   still logged in
Name:    http://Samoa.CS.UCLA.EDU
Address:  131.179.224.88
        \_ Craisglist must be chock-full of summer sublets right about now...
2004/5/3-4 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:29963 Activity:high
5/3     How good is gmail's sperm filtering?  I've considered stress-testing it
        but it seems a shame to spoil a spam-free account for an experiment.
        \_ you could make a sneakemail address and have it temporarily forward
           spam to your gmail account. --jameslin
        \_ I don't think gmail can filter any sperms.
2004/5/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:29964 Activity:insanely high
5/3     Are you offended?
        http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2004/04/15/protesting_details.php
        (Gay or Asian article in Details magazine)
        \_ Welcome to two months ago.
           \_ s/months/weeks/
        \_ Two weeks old.  How was the protest?
2004/5/3-4 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:29965 Activity:insanely high
5/3     So what's happening to the oil in Iraq? Are we getting it all for
        free? Why no news coverage on it? Does the average American not want
        to hear about it? Guess the media is only interested in reporting the
        robbers getting shot at while leaving the bank. This reminds me of a
        quote "It's always easier to rob than to make your own".
        \_ No, we didn't go there to rob the oil. We went there to
           find WMD! Oh wait, we went there to liberate Iraq!! Oh
           wait, we went there to, to, to, well, the truth is, we do
           whatever we want because we can and there ain't nothing you
           can do about it!!
           \_ Sure there is. Terrorism is the answer to oppression
              from superpower. You think you can just bomb us because you
              feel like it? You treat us like dirt, we will strike you
              \_ I didn't know there were any Iraqis posting to the motd.
              where it hurts.
              \_ Yeah like how Spain and the Philipines are both super powers.
                 Here's the ob ad hominen: you're an idiot.
              \_ I didn't know there were any Iraqis posting to the motd.
           \_ Dubya went in there because Saddam was a bad man, who even
              if he didn't have WMD, would use them against the U.S. (by
              giving them to terrorists) some day.  Dubya also wants to make
              sure post-Saddam Iraq doesn't become a threat to the U.S.
              I think most Republicans, and some Democrats, understand this.
              The counter-argument is that Saddam had already been contained.
              I think some Democrats and some Republicans understand this.
              \_ Containment is never perfect and is subject to political winds
                 and whims.  Containment can only slow the inevitable.  In this
                 case, several of the countries that were supposed to be
                 helping contain were cashing in behind everyone's backs.
                 \_ Have you considered containment until you get a smoking
                    gun on WMD?
                    \_ The smoking gun might by a crater in a Western city.  I
                       am not prepared to wait for that.
                       \_ Isn't that what Homeland Security is for?  Also,
                          I don't think even the Bush administration thought
                          Iraq had any nuclear capability to give.  I believe
                          the best they could come up with, after the war,
                          was a scientist digging up centrifuge parts, saying
                          that they were stored until Saddam wanted to restart
                          the program.
                          \_ True but I have no problem with a better safe than
                             sorry policy.  And no, the HS department doesn't
                             stand a chance of keeping us 100% not-blown up
                             in a terrorist act.  It just isn't possible.  We
                             must do our best at home regarding security such
                             as better trained people, better equipment and
                             real world improvements like hardened cock pit
                             doors but that's all hindsight.  There will
                             always be some weakness that can be exploited to
                             create death and havoc.  Thus, we also need an
                             active foreign policy to find and crush our
                             enemies before they can create the capabilities.
                             Note that we're not discussing the *IF* nature of
                             what a Hussein or Al Qaeda group's goals and
                             plans.  No one questions that they'd nuke a major
                             Western city if they could.  We're only discussing
                             their current capability.  At some point in the
                             future they *will* have the capability so we need
                             to stop them now.  I won't go into the historical
                             "the west has been at war with islam since near
                             the birth of islam" bits.
                             \_ So, contain until you get a smoking gun.  With
                                a smoking gun, you stand a chance of being
                                like Bush Sr. and getting an international
                                coalition.
                \_ And some of us knew that Saddam Hussein was no friend to
                   Al Qaeda, so the idea that he would give them WMD was
                   laughable. Bush's Crusade diverted America from far more
                   serious threats to our security.
                   \_ You knew?  Really?  The American intelligence establish-
                      ment still isn't certain.  And he doesn't have to give
                      Al Q. anything.  He had plenty of his own agents who were
                      perfectly capable of putting a nuke or some nasty bug in
                      a shipping container to the US.  He didn't need anyone
                      else.  Kaddafi managed a-OK to blow up a plane without
                      anyone else's help.  You think Hussein really needed
                      anyone else?  No, he just needed a nuke or a bug.
        \_ There are only two real solutions to the problem, which
           have worked throughout history. We kill all of them, like
           we did to the Native Americans (you don't hear about them
           wanting to take back the US do you, hehe), or, we treat
           them properly. We want to do the first, but the world it is
           today, it's no longer an option. We don't want to go with
           the 2nd option either, simply because "Why should we?".
           Capitalism is all about taking advantage of the other guy
           as much as possible. It will be against our nature to treat
           them properly, because we don't have to. This goes in the
           same way as people usually do the maximum that the law
           allows them to do without being considered a crime.
           Unfortunately there are no check and balance in the
           international world right now. We do a lot more than what
           the 'law' would allow us to do. So the other side has no
           choice but to engage in terrorism, as they also have no
           choice. Direct confrontation with us is not an option,
           because if they are that strong, we wouldn't have been able
           to take advantage of them in the first place. Unless we
           fundamentally change the way we deal with the rest of the
           world, especially the weak ones, terrorism will never end.
           \_ You should say there are three real solutions to the problem.
           \_ Capitalism is not about fucking the other guy.  It is about
              maximising profit for least effort.  A capitalist would not kill
              his best customer and take their wallet because then he would
              lose that customer's future business which is certain to exceed
              one wallet's value.  (This is aside from the moral and legal
              context of murder in our society).
           \_ So you think terrorism will end when we give them everything they
              want?  Do you understand that the core issue Islamic terrorists
              have with the West is that we exist?  Go look up the word "Wakf".
              Since you won't I'll give you the executive summary: all lands
              that were ever under Islamic control at any time in history are
              Muslim lands no matter how briefly, how long ago or what has
              happened since.  Spain getting bombed wasn't a random soft
              target.  Half of Spain was once under Muslim rule and hence is
              wakf land.  As for the rest of the world, that falls under the
              part about spreading Islam by the sword which is how Spain
              ended up in Muslim hands in the first place.  Know thy enemy.
              \_ Spain was bombed to affect the election, and to embarrass and
                 to put pressure on the U.S. with the resulting pullout of
                 Spanish troops.  The former head of Spain was all-Bush,
                 and the majority of Spanish people were against the war,
                 before and after the bombing.  I think you need to find a
                 better example.
                 \_ Yes, that's what the western press says.  Go read the Arab
                    press.
2004/5/3-4 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:29966 Activity:insanely high
5/3     I just got some spam saying that Ed Meese is running for
        President. Is this true?
        \_ I just got some spam saying, "UR DIKI IZ 2SMAL $D GIRLZ!  UZE V'I
           AG'ReA FRUM M3 2 MAEK B1G DIKI!!".  Is this true?
           \_ What will Warren Buffet say about this?
2004/5/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:29967 Activity:high
5/3     Dear h0zers, do you hate Tom Holub and his twink point system? Here
        is your chance to get even. Happy Suite (est. 1998) is now back.
        http://compilers.cs.ucla.edu/~kchang/happy                 -kchang
        \_ when did you get unsquished?
        \_ I bet you just earned yourself another twink point.
        \_ It's just Tom.  Who gives a damn what he says?  He couldn't even
           manage to get a 4 year degree.  He just has a giant self esteem
           issue so he acts out.  Ignore him.
           \_ so what's your self-esteem issue?
        \_ I'm not giving happy faces to twinks who use Windows XP.
           \_ The screenshots seem to pre-date XP.
2004/5/3-4 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:29968 Activity:high
5/3     Yahoo! News - Salvadoran Army Cited for Heroism in Iraq
        http://csua.org/u/75v
        Quote: "The Spanish didn't fight, and only after a long delay agreed to
        send out their armored vehicles to help evacuate the wounded. Flores
        says he cannot question the Spanish decisions that day, but with a
        slightly sardonic smile adds that they "could have helped us sooner."
        \_ "So Salvadoran Cpl. Samuel Toloza said a prayer, whipped out
            his switchblade knife and charged the Iraqi gunmen...Toloza
            stabbed several attackers..."  Now THAT'S tough.
2004/5/3 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:29969 Activity:nil
5/3     Is this Iraqi popping a boner?
        http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/040503/ids_photos_ts/r2377536700.jpg
        \_ Wouldn't you be?
        \_ And the Iraqis are complaining?  Oh, must be their wives who are
           complaining.
        \_ What will Warren Buffet say about this?
2004/5/3 [Transportation/Car] UID:29970 Activity:high
5/3     I'm selling my old car, '97 Honda Civic in good shape.
        http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/car/30291821.html
        Don't know where else to post this within the CSUA so the motd
        will have to do. --lye
        \_ In SOVIET RUSSIA, car sells YOU!
        \_ How much?  -- car's pissing radiator fluid in the parking lot
           \_ Well, its listed at the top of the Craigslist posting, but
              I'm asking $7800...or best offer, obviously.  --lye
              \_ Whoa, sorry... that was stupid.  I've been conditioned
                 to ignore large text.
              \_ What is the Blue Book? $7800 seems high for a car that
                 cost maybe twice that 7 years ago.
                 \_ Hmm, you are right.  I must have made an error when
                    entering data in KBB.  I've corrected the ad.  --lye
                    \_ I bet you were trying to game the heartless capitalist
                       system, Lye!  Don't think I am not on to you. -- ilyas
2004/5/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:29971 Activity:nil
5/3     http://ascii.hotornot.com
2004/5/3-4 [Consumer/Audio] UID:29972 Activity:high 53%like:30723
5/3     What's a good gadget to buy? I have $1000.
        \_ 200 nights with yermom
        \_ hire thug to steal all of the below.
        \_ Apple iMac
        \_ IPOD IPOD IPOD IPDO
        \_ Garmin GPS 60c
        \_ Nikon D70
           \_ Second that.
              \_ With lens+mem card that's like $1500.
        \_ PDA
           \_ Treo 600: uberPDA + phone
        \_ TiVo
        \_ Fancy-schmancy headphones
        \_ Tablet PC
        \_ Real Doll
           \_ too expensive
              \_ perhaps he could afford a used one?
           \_ What's a Real Doll? - real question
              \_ http://www.realdoll.com - nws
           \_ Get a fleshlight (fleshlight.com) instead. Check their videos!
        \_ nGage
        \_ Exotic cat
        \_ 24" Sony CRT monotir or 20" LCD
        \_ 1TB of disk
        \_ a low risk 6mo-1yr investment
        \_ Google stock
        \_ 1TB and something to house it, or 2TB and a cardboard box.
2004/5/3 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:29973 Activity:high
5/3     Disguising freerepublic links by using IP addresses is totally
        cheeseball.
        \_ Here is the "unbiased" source of the essay:
           http://www.hughhewitt.com
           It is sort of like Ann Coulter, but not as coherent.
        \_ Oh boo hoo it was an email from a Lt. in Iraq - the humanity!!
           Why are you leftists such pussies?
           \_ Why are neocons so deceptive?
              \_ Because they are LYING, BACKSTABBING JEWS!
2004/5/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:29974 Activity:high
5/3     I can't get any girls. What should I do? Switch team?
        \_ Please to tell them you are number A1 super stud!
        \_ Take $200 and go down to O'Farell's.
        \_ No, but if you TELL them you've switched teams (and dress to
           match) they'll be all over you.
        \_ Please to tell them you are number A1 super stud!
        \_ Take $200 and go down to O'Farell's.
        \_ No, but if you TELL them you've switched teams (and dress to
           match) they'll be all over you.
2004/5/3-4 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:29975 Activity:insanely high
5/3     Controversial Tillman cartoon (i.e., idjut liburals can draw)
        http://www.ucomics.com/tedrall
        \_ This guy is an idiot, I think most conservatives (and liberals)
           would agree.
           \_ as a liberal, i agree.  however he also can't draw for shit.
              personally even if i *like* someone's message(not that i like
              this guy's message), if they can't draw for shit they have
              not business being on the comics page. Here's a liberal who
              actually knows how to draw:
              http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks
              and another:
              http://www.andysinger.com
              and another:
              http://www.ucomics.com/doonesbury
           \_ agreed. A little tact could have gone a long way. -- liberal
              \_ It's not only tact.  He had the guy saying, "Will I get
                 to kill Arabs?".  This is just plain bad. -another libural
                 \_ Why? He could have joined the CIA, FBI, or Homeland
                    Security in order to fight terrorism. He joined the Army
                    with intent to become a Ranger, who get to play judge,
                    jury, and executioner on people they feel are terrorists.
                    \_ No.  By the time Rangers or regular 11B's are called in,
                       someone else has alreday played judge and jury.  Even
                       Spec Ops guys are usually called in only after the big
                       decisions have been made by some grey-haired guy in an
                       office.
                    \_ No.  Ranger training is geared towards jump missions
                       and taking over air ports and other air related
                       activity.  Anything after that falls under standard
                       special forces training that anyone in the military
                       can get if they're a notch above the cut.
        \_ I don't understand why people have to insult people even
           when they do something cool.  Why make fun of this guy?  Why do
           republicans try to tear down Kerry's Vietnam record?  It's
           petty.  Why did Doonsebury try to make fun of Bush's visit to
           Iraq?  When someone does something cool, let 'em have it.
           Sheesh.
                \_ The point of contention is that he incessantly portrays
                   himself as a Vietnam war hero.  But you can't have it
                   both ways - yes he went and deserves credit but his
                   subsequent actions were despicable, to put it nicely.
                   \_ How is "despicable" putting it nicely? What sort of hate
                      filled vitriol would be "calling it as it is"?
        \_ You know, the above discussion leads me to believe it's not that
           controversial a cartoon -- basically nobody likes it, and they are
           all right.  Re: republicans trying to tear down Kerry's record, I
           think even Limbaugh is giving him due credit.  (When was the last
           time Bush got credit for anything from the other side?  Did he
           truly accomplish nothing?)
           Perhaps Kerry might have gotten a little bad press about that whole
           medal throwing thing, since some people view that as trying to sit
           on two stools at once. -- ilyas
           \_ What should Bush seriously be given credit for? Afghanistan seems
              to be the main thing that most people agreed on. Bush has gotten
              a lot of credit in the press about "leadership" with the 9/11
              stuff, besides the background rumblings about intelligence
              failures, which in the end is true, if the buck stops at the top
              then Bush's administration is responsible for failing to prevent
              9/11, although obviously not from some egregious personal wrong-
              doing. He gets rightfully criticized for foolish political stunts
              like the mission accomplished thing. And you can't expect "the
              other side" to cheer for republican policy items, although he
              is certainly 'given credit' for those. About Iraq, actually I
              felt that a lot of people approved of his tough stance towards
              Saddam, myself included, however this feeling dissipated when I
              watched the subsequent farce unfold.
              \_ Don't forget Lybia.  If you are an economist of a certain
                 stripe you also think "tax cuts cause recovery", so you
                 would probably attribute the recovery to Bush's insistence to
                 cut, cut, cut.  At any rate, it seems pretty clear Bush did
                 some good.  My point is that he gets no credit for the good
                 he did, which is unfortunate.  Actually I think all the
                 anti-Bush bile is having a counterproductive effect (if you
                 want to get Bush out of office).  -- ilyas
                 \_ I tend to think of Lybia in the same way I think of the
                    Berlin Wall coming down: it was in the works, and it was
                    just a matter of time.  For the sitting President to take
                    responsibility for it is rather disingenuous.  And as for
                    Afghanistan, props to Bush for pursuing the removal of the
                    Taliban, and props for finding Karzai, but a bakers-
                    dozen of wtfs for not finishing the Taliban off and for
                    withdrawing all military and most financial support for
                    the new govt.  Seriously, wtf?
                    \_ Libya was in the works?  In what sense?  Do you say the
                       same for Syria which has just started to cooperate? Will
                       you say the same for Iran if there's an uprising and
                       the crazies are kicked out and replaced by some sort of
                       republic/democracy?  The world doesn't get better
                       without people trying to make it better.  Bad people
                       don't just quietly go away.  They need to be threatened
                       or killed to make changes.
                 \_ Libya, not Lybia!
                    \_ I thought it was Libia.
           \_ Very true.  It's not controversial.  It's just bad.  Has anyone
              seen any interviews with Tillman or the like beforehand?  I'd
              be surprised that a story like his slipped past sports journal-
              ists unnoticed.  I'd be very interested to hear Tillman's own
              point of view on why he would enlist.  As for Bush's accomplish-
              ments, the only things I've seen that have approached notability
              are things which later proved to be all lip service and no funds
              (Education, Jobs Training, AIDS Research, Terrorism Funding,
              Military Funding, etc.).  Kerry got bad press over throwing
              the medals (and just about every single charge of waffling
              I've seen) because there are plenty of hack journalists more
              than willing to trim stories to fit their talking point du
              jour.  --scotsman
              \_ No, Kerry got bad press because he earned it.
        \_ Kerry did significantly more than throw his (actually someone
           else's depending on the day of the week) medals over a fence.
           He was in the vanguard of leftists undermining of the Vietnam
           war effort.  He and his ilk are why a free Hanoi subsequently
           fell and the millions fled on rafts.  All of his treasonous
           behavoir is well documented if you would bother to investigate:
           http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry
           \_ "free Hanoi"?  You are a moron.
              \_ thanks for adding so much to an otherwise intelligent
                 discussion.  -!the person you're replying to.
                 \_ huh huh ... you call the above an intelligent
                    discussion?  you are a moron.
2004/5/3-4 [Politics/Domestic] UID:29976 Activity:moderate
5/3     Today's Doonesbury has the "Why do you hate America" joke:
        http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose
        \_ Why do YOU hate America?
        \_ They steal all my best ideas.
http://csua.com/?q="why+do+you+hate+america"&start=0&type=hist
                \_ April never ended!!!
            \_ "April is the cruelest month, breeding
                Freepers out of the dead gland, mixing
                Merde and desire, stirring
                Dull shoots with spring rain."
2004/5/3 [Uncategorized] UID:29977 Activity:nil
5/3     Did anyone here read Junior Great Books as a kid in elemntary
        school? I've found a bit of stuff about it on the web, but I
        remember reading this one story about a kid who was trying to
        be perfect and ended up just drinking tea and doing nothing
        all day. or something like that. Anyone have any idea what
        I'm talking about?                      - rory
        \_ Yes! I don't know what Junior Great really is, but I do
           know that book specifically. It was called Be A Perfect
           Person In 3 Days, and the kid did stuff like sitting around
           in a dark room for an entire day and sip tea, or eat broccoli,
           or respond to people's questions with weird responses. Good
           book.
           \_ I think it was a longer period (3 weeks) and he had to wear
              the broccoli around his neck.  Also, the book was smarter
              than the kid, and when he tried to sneak a peek at the last
              page, it warned him that he had to follow the rules to a T.
           \_ ah. cool, thanks... that's it. I loved this book as a
              kid. I dont think its actually associated w/ JGB though.
              I must've gotten confused.
2004/5/3-4 [Uncategorized] UID:29978 Activity:high
5/3     Medal of Honor, Vietnam, yay or nay?                    -BF1942 fan
2017/09/19 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
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