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2004/4/22 [Politics, Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:13326 Activity:nil
4/21    http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/coffin_photos/dover
        shit, now I'm depressed.
2004/4/22 [ERROR, uid:13327, category id '18005#1.25' has no name! , ] UID:13327 Activity:nil
4/21    Don't do this, kiddies:
        http://csua.org/u/70n (yahoo)
2004/4/22 [ERROR, uid:13328, category id '18005#2.5' has no name! , , Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:13328 Activity:nil
4/21    http://washingtonpost.com has a very interesting story on the front page now
        storying the decapitation strike, as excerpted from Plan of Attack.
        \_ What is csua login for WP?
        \_ I don't get it... Bush want to decapitate Saddam first, then
           get rid of anyone in the Baapst party?
2004/4/22 [Recreation/Humor] UID:13329 Activity:low Cat_by:auto
4/22    Work safe and a bit odd:
        http://www.rathergood.kewlio.net/flash/crab.swf  -John
        \_ This seems very Swiss to me.
           \_ No--if it were, it would be very artistic and unfunny. -John
           \_ actually it sounds Russian doesn't it?
              \_ Austrian maybe. But the site is hosted in the UK, so it is
                 probably British.
                 \_ it's by the WE LIKE THE SUBS guy
                 \_ It's by Joel Veitch.  Go to the original site:
                    http://www.rathergood.com
                    The Punk Kittens made the rounds a couple of years ago.
                    \_ Joel Veitch lives in London.
2004/4/22 [Politics/Domestic/President, Politics/Domestic/California] UID:13330 Activity:nil 62%like:13334
4/22    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2985728.stm
        [mr. t ?! ... does he have a career somewhere?] --psb
        \_ A bit of Mr. T. trivia: after the A-Team, Mr. T. nearly died of one
           of those horrible degenerative diseases.  He survived and recovered
           but didn't work for many many years during that time and blew most
           of his money on treatment and simple daily living.  Mr. T. has only
           recently started working again as a minor character in a number of
           shows/movies.  He has done a lot of charity work over the years,
           mostly for childhood "fuck up your whole life" diseases.
                --Mr. T. #1 Fan
        \_ Proof that polls are retarded!
        \_ Little known Mr. T fact: back in 1984, Mr. T recorded an album of
           incredibly stereotypical electro-funk-rap, synthesizer solos
           included.  It's called "Mr. T's Be Somebody (Or Be Somebody's Fool)"
           and features Mr. T "rapping" about how peer pressure is bad and you
           should treat your mother right.  Must be heard to be believed.
           \_ Post link!  PLEASE!
              \_ Maybe if you're lucky, I'll put it up for download tonight.
                 Meanwhile, try Soulseek.  That's where I found it.  I doubt
                 the RIAA will spank you for this one.
                 \_ That's right, the RIAA wants you to respect yo' mama.
2004/4/22 [Computer/SW/Languages, Computer/SW/Languages/Misc, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:13331 Activity:nil
4/22    Does hotmail have a limit to the number of attachments that can be
        in a RECEIVED email.  I have about 10 jpegs (approx 20k each) and I
        wonder how many emails I need to seperate them into to send them to a
        friend with a hotmail account.
        \_ record all data to punch cards, load them onto a surpluss Oscar
           Meyer Wiener truck, and launch the whole truck to the destination
           using a giant railgun.
           \_ Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of
              tapes.  -- Dr. Warren Jackson, Director, UTCS
        \_ generally, asking a hotmail question on soda is a bad idea.
           here is a standard soda answer:
           write a shell script to send these pictures one by one using
           mail/mailx, eventhough I am not sure how to encode binary files
           in MIME format using commands
           \_ mimencode
              \_ mpack
        \_ Don't be a doofus.  Put them on a web site and send links.  -tom
           \_ You're a doofus, doofus.
           \_ Wow, the previous guy is like, a prophet or something.  An
              insult and an answer that doesn't really answer the
              question!
              \_ Of course it answers the question.  In fact, it's the correct
                 answer to the question.  If someone asks "how do I hammer in
                 these nails with a screwdriver?", the answer is "use a hammer,
                 doofus."  -tom
                 \_ Heh, that made my day.
                 \_ Bad analogy, doofus.  I'm not saying your answer was
                    not a possible right answer, but it's also possible
                    there is some reason that's not feasible.  Unlikely,
                    but not impossible.  Also, there's no reason to be
                    a jerk.  You could politely suggest your alternitive.
                    I suppose this anwers my question as to why everyone
                    wants to sorry your account.  -jrleek
                    \_ The person has a soda account, so of course it's
                       feasible.  You might say there's no reason to be a
                       jerk--I say there's no reason to ask stupid questions.
                        -tom
                        \_ And so he posts after the op already posted
                           why he didn't want it on a webpage.
                           \_ The op is still a doofus.
                           \_ The op's reasoning is flawed. This whole thread
                              is stupid enough that by MOTD charter section
                              7 subparagraph B the op shall be subject to
                              insults until such time as the thread is gone.
                              The fact that it's also about Hotmail is just
                              insult to injury.
                                \_ Hey, can I help it if people I associate
                                   with make the mistake of using hotmail
                                   for email?  In the future, the first
                                   question I ask when I meet someone will
                                   be if they use hotmail for their email.
                                   If so, I just won't associate with them.
                                        -op
                              \_ You mean injury to insult?
                                 \_ No, he probably doesn't.
                    \_ I'm surprised anyone would even mentioning sorry in
                       in this context!  I agree with Tom - given the OP's
                       posting, "why not send links" seems a very reasonable
                       question...
                       \_ That's what I'm saying, it IS reasonable, but
                          you don't have to be a jerk about it.  As for
                          the sorry mention, that's referencing
                          yesterday's discussion. -jrleek
                    \_ so if you dont have a hammer available, you'd rather
                       insist on using the screwrdiver, instead of getting one?
                \_ I appreciate the suggestion to put the pics on a web
                   page.  There are 2 reasons why I don't prefer to do
                   this.  I don't want the pics publicly available.  And I
                   don't want them on my web site indefinately.  If I send
                   a link, the receiver might assume they will always be there.
                   But I will eventually take them off the web.  So, good
                   suggestion, but I still prefer to email them.  So, is
                   there anyone out there with a hotmail acct that can
                   answer my original question?  -op
                   \_ There's another reason people might choose to hurl insults
                      at you at this point.  It literally took me less than
                      100 seconds to go to http://hotmail.com, look at the FAQ, and
                      see that any email under 1 MByte total is fine, as long
                      as it doesn't put the user over their total quota.
                      So you're ok if the user is not close to having a
                      full mailbox, since you want to send less than .5 Meg.
                      \_ The FAQ I found on http://hotmail.com says there is a
                         limit of 1 Meg for outgoing messages.  I doesn't
                         say anything about incoming messages (that I saw),
                         but I vaguely recall that there is some limit to
                         the number of attachments an incoming message can
                         have.
                        \_ All this discussion, but no answer to the actual
                           question.  I guess hotmail users don't post to
                           the motd.
                        \_ you could have frigging mailed the stuff already
                           and not wasted so much time. Just email once or
                           10 times in smaller amounts. what the fudge is it?
                           It is only 200k total. Send it in one email doofus.
        \_ send yourself 20 small jpg files and see what happens.  there must
           be some reason you're asking this if you don't think this will work.
           \_ I don't have a hotmail account.  It's easier to ask on the
              motd than to get a hotmail acct just for this purpose. -op
        \_ Better yet:  open a Yahoo Mail account.  Send the pix one at a time
           to that account.  When all of the pix have been received by the
           account, send the username and password to your intended target.
           Yahoo gives more storage than Hotmail anyway.
2004/4/22 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Korea] UID:13332 Activity:nil
4/22    CIA operation missed North Korean leader but killed 3,500 civillians.
        http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/22/international/asia/22CND-KORE.html?hp
        \_ I'm be impressed if the CIA could pull that off.  Really, even
           missing Kim Jong Il, this kinda thing is gonna cause serious
                   \- Greetings, Earthlings!
                      \_ What?  I don't get it.
                         \- YMWTGF(kim jong il greetings earthlings) --psb
                            \_ Ok, what does YMWTGF stand for?  I even
                               googled it.
                               \- YMWTGF(YMWTGF) -> nil --psb
                            \_ Yo Mothertrucker Wastin mah Time, Google For ..
                            \_ You must have _this_ IQ to ride this thread.
           problems.  Making it even MORE difficult for NK to get oil...
           \_ Maybe it's a NK conspiracy to blame the explosion on a terrorist
              act on the CIA so that NK can declare war on the US and take
              over SK while we are still tied up in Iraq.
              \_ NK is in no shape to take over SK.  Its nuclear project
                 is a last ditch attempt at survival.
              \_ Yeah, that would be a pretty bad idea for old NK.  Not
                 that I don't think Kim Jong Il can't be that stupid...
                 Basically all NK has left is its ability to cause more
                 destruction that SK wants to put up with.
        \_ What little believability there is left disappears if you consider
           Dubya as the one squishing the axis of evil
                      \_ actually, he is in the process of trying to squish
                         Afghanistan elements and Iraq, so I guess it's
                         possible he just went after North Korea!
           \_ Well, some idiot in the planning assumed that communist train
              must always run on schedule and so caused a delayed explosion.
           \_ Does CIA always claim responsibility in mainstream media?
        \_ How do we know the CIA wasn't involved in the Kennedy assassination?
           Well, he's dead, isn't he?
        \_ MASS GRAVES!
           \_ DEAD ARMENIANS!
           \_ No no.  You're not using it right.  MASS GRAVES only applies to
              Iraq threads.  IRAQ IS THE STANDARD THREAD!
              \_ You fool!  Standards like that will destabilize the
                 Middle East for years to come!
                 \_ Why do you hate America?
                    \_ The only way to make this thread more generic is to
                       censor it.
                       \_ Only liberuls censor generic threads.
2004/4/22 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:13333 Activity:nil
4/22    So is the defactor compression program on UNIX bzip2 now? I gotta
        admit it compresses a lot better than gzip, and while it's hecka
        slow it's pretty good.
        \_ No, it's still gzip. bzip2 is only for dweebies who care about
           saving 10-20% on a file in return for 50% more compression/
           decompression time. If your internet pipe is really limited I
           guess it makes sense, but saving 10-20% on something like a 50 meg
           binary file is not going to impress me.
2004/4/22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:13334 Activity:moderate 62%like:13330
4/22    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2985728.stm
        [mr. t ?.  Right On!   ... duz he gots' some carea' somewhere?] --psb
        \_ A bit uh Mr. T. trivia: afta' de A-Team, Mr. T. nearly died uh one
           uh dose ho'rible degenerative diseases.  He survived and recovered
           but dun didn't wo'k fo' many many years durin' dat time and blew
           most uh his bre'd on treatment and simple daily livin'.  Mr. T.
           gots'ta only recently started wo'kin' again as some mino' characta'
           in some numba' of shows/movies.  He gots'ta done some lot uh charity
           wo'k ova' de years, mostly fo' childhood "fuck down yo' whole life"
           diseases.
                --Mr. T. #1 Fan
        \_ Little knode Mr. T fact: back in 1984, Mr. T reco'ded some album of
           incredibly stereotypical electro-funk-rap, sindesiza' solos
           included. It be called "Mr. T's Be Somebody (Or Be Somebody's Fool)"
           and features Mr. T "rappin'" about how pea' pressho' nuff be bad-ass
           and ya' should treat yo' moda' right.  Must be heard t'be recon'd.
           \_ I am curious. Is there more than one person who thinks rendering
              threads unreadable this way is funny or is it just a single
              person? -- ulysses
           \_ Post link.  Right On!    PLEASE.  Right On!
              \_ http://www.inzenity.com/mrt/index.html (Ice-T wuz producer,
                 apparently)
              \_ Maybe if youse lucky, I'll put it down fo' waaay download
                 tonight.  Meanwhile, try Soulseek.  Dat's where ah' found it.
                 ah' doubt de RIAA gots'ta spank ya' fo' dis one.
                 \_ Dat's right, de RIAA wants's ya' t'respect yo' mama.
                    Sheeeiit.
        \_ I would really like to see a Mr. T & Gary Coleman buddy movie.
           It could even have a Thunderdome scene where Gary rides on
           Mr. T's sholders and directs him to kill things.  Oh yeah.
           What chu talking about, Foo'?
           \_ If that movie could have Gary Busey and Ken Foree in supporting
              roles, it would be the Best Movie Ever.
              \_ Someone call the movie studios!  We've got a hit on our
                 hands, and it'll be really cheap to make. $4 an actor and
                 a black van rental!
2004/4/22 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:13335 Activity:nil
4/22    What the hell is wrong with the Japanese?
        http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/22/international/asia/22CND-JAPAN.html
        [URL fixed]
        \_ If I believed in god, at this point i would thank God that I was
           born an American.  I'm particularly dissapointed by Koizumi.  Who
           would have thought a heavy metal fan could be such a pussy?
        \_ Well, anyone who wonders why politics are all screwed up in
           Japan, you can read this.
        \_ japanese are weird.
        \_ don't have NYtimes account.
           \_ guest_ / guest_
           \_ csuamotd / csuamotd
              \_ oh...thanks.
        \_ Were they sent by the govt?  if not, they were really on their
           own and were responsible their safety.
           \_ They went on their own.  The point is that they're being
              criticized and ostracized for going against the government's
              reccomendation to stay away.  In this country, I like to think
              we'd show a little sympathy for people who went through all that
              when trying to do a good deed, even if it was reckless.
              \_ They brought dishonor and trouble to Japan, duh. The solution
                 is ritual self-disembowelment.
                 \_ With a rusty spoon?
        \_ freepers are the norm in japan!
           \_ You are an idiot.  Freepers aren't statists.  No really, you
              are an idiot.  Go dig your own grave and kill yourself, and rid
              us of your stupidity.  Freepers aren't statists.
              \_ if you call him an idiot it won't help.  he just hasn't
                 ever gone to the site probably.  I really really hate
                 freepers for unrelated reasons, but the above poster
                 definitely has no idea what he's talking about.
                 \_ i know exactly what i'm talking about, i know how a
                    freeper differs from what's discussed in the article,
                    and i know how they're similar.  but mostly, i was
                    trolling for freepers.
                    \_ good work then!  you seem to have succeeded.
        \_ Well, though I don't think they deserve ALL the criticism they got,
           there is something to be said about fools who go into a tight spot
           without knowing what they are doing and the abillity to make a
           positive difference.  Do you remember the "human shields" from
           Germany who want to keep our army of liberation off Iraq?
2004/4/22-23 [Transportation/Motorcycle] UID:13336 Activity:kinda low
4/22    Kaneda's motorcycle now available for purchase, apparently.
        http://csua.org/u/71d
2004/4/22-23 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/India, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:13337 Activity:low
4/22    The report is out on the Jack Kelly affair.  (This link is a summary).
        http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-04-22-seigmain_x.htm
        Although spicing up stories with made-up stuff is bad, it is really
        a fault of the readers themselves who crave for it.  A far more
        serious problem is that media are dictating what news is fit to print
        and which facts they will report/exaggerate/ignore/understate.
        Interestingly, the latter is not being discussed in the media.
        \_ But he's not black!  So it doesn't matter!
           \_ Hi Rush!
        \_ "The media" already spends far too much time staring at its own
           navel. You must not pay that much attention to things like
           The Atlantic or the New York Review of Books. Don't like
           the news? Go make some of your own...
        \_ I think if you asked newspaper readers what mattered more to them,
           accuracy of entertainment value, they'd pick accuracy.  But since
           most readers don't know enough about the subject matter to judge
           accuracy, they can only judge an article on entertainment value.
           \-Dont worry about Jack Kelly ... he has a solid career in
             the BUSH CO press office --psb ...
                In addition, there appears to be no basis for a
                2002  Kelley  story that  said  U.S. forces  in
                Afghanistan   found    evidence   linking   two
                Chicago-based  Islamic  charities to  al-Qaeda.
2004/4/22 [Politics/Domestic/California, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:13338 Activity:nil
4/22    Greetings CHE GUEVARA, I heard you might be interested in either
        purchasing a new BERKELEY CA home, or a Refi at 333 SODA HALL 1776.
        Johnson and Robinson Services can be a cordially free help to you.
        -- Sylvia Hosking <sylviahosking@cheerfulassuagement.com>
2004/4/22-23 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:13339 Activity:nil
4/22    More evidence of corruption in the UN's oil for food program:
        http://tinyurl.com/2p4qw (abcnews.go.com)
        http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/2522209
        \_ so, we still need the UN in Iraq, kickbacks are ok.
        \_ This is just an orchestrated lynching by the Republicans to try
           to discredit the U.N.  Bush is just trying to smear an organization
           that has the moral authority to stand up to his bullying.
           \_ Well said! -- UN defender #1 fan
           \_ hey, corruption is corruption.  however, I would still have
              preferred the U.S. not to have gone to war and found zilch
              on WMD.  Responsibility goes all the way to the top.
              \_ Bingo!  Sack Kofi Annan for corruption, sack Saddam Hussein
                 for being a dictator, and sack George W. Bush for lying to
                 get us to invade.
        \_ Saddam was just greedy. He should have spread out the corruption
           to cover more people like the current Iraqi government. Of course,
           there's a lot more US money now than UN O4F money plus the US has
           backed the idea of no accountability. US corruption is OK!
           http://marketplace.publicradio.org/features/iraq/index.html
        \_ I thought Financial Times or some other British media published
           a report saying that as much as 20% of Iraq's recontruction fund
           went to kickback and other thing.
        \_ Hmm... let's compare the UN's handling of corruption with the
           current administration's handling of leaks.  The UN found out
           about the corruption and immediately instigated it's own internal
           inquiry.  The WH found out about the "leak" and immediately
           defended itself.  The investigation turned serious, the UN decided
           to appoint an independent investigator.  The WH, after enormous
           media pressure, finally decided to let John Ashcroft, that
           independent and objective AG, investigate.
           \_ Umm... The UN's handling wasn't THAT good.  They tried to
              to hide it and avoid it for years.
           \_ Immediately?  The rest of us knew years ago.  I don't think the
              word "immediate" means what you think it means.
2004/4/22-23 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:13340 Activity:nil
4/22    TCSH Help Needed.  How do I make an alias that takes one argument
        and returns the n-th field of a line?  Something like
        alias nth "awk '{print $!:1}'".  I can't figure out the quoting!
        \_ TCSH is notoriously buggy in this way (at least it was back in the
           day).  Depending on the version you're using, you might just
           be SOL if this is the only acceptable way to do this.
           \- This is the second person to follow up with "this is hard
              do to in tcsh. try harder." What is the point of that reply?
              It seems like this person is aware this is a little tricky
              and has tried. I dont think it is version dep and it's not
              a bug but just convoluted. For tcsh 6:
                alias nth "awk '{ print "'$'"\!:1 }'"
              --mr. tcsh
                \_ Mr. TCSH, didn't you write part of tcsh?
2004/4/22-23 [Uncategorized] UID:13341 Activity:nil
4/22    If I have the following in my /etc/mtab (Linux):
automount(pid1754) /u autofs rw,fd=5,pgrp=1754,minproto=2,maxproto=3 0 0
        Does that mean I can/cannot make directories in /u?
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