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| 2004/4/9 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:13106 Activity:insanely high |
4/9 "It is not just considered bad form to discuss ethnicity in the new
California. It can land one in jail. Added to the penal code is the
crime of "divisionism," a nebulous offense that includes speaking too
provocatively about ethnicity."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/09/international/africa/09RWAN.html?hp
yes, I replaced the word "Rwanda" with "California." The amazing
thing is how little of a stretch it is.
\_ you're an idiot.
\_ Yeah, in California you'll just get yelled at, or maybe
beat up. Well, unless someone (non-white) gets offended
and manages to portray what you said as "Hate Speech."
THAT could land you in jail.
\_ As the above said, you're an idiot. Returneth thee to hate
radio from whence thee came.
\_ Darn you're right. You can't be jailed for "Hate
Speech" in CA unless the "victim" feels
"threatened."
http://caag.state.ca.us/civilrights/htm/laws.htm
A Google on Canadian Hate Speech Laws is fun though.
\_ yeah, burning a cross on someone's lawn is free
speech. people who feel threatened by that should
lighten up. What is America coming to?
\_ Usually I think of speech as refering to the
practice of expelling air from the lungs
though the mouth the produce a series of
sounds known as language, which is then
recieved by another persons ear. In fact,
transmission by writing or electronic media
could also be conisdered speech. But I
would think burning a cross on someone's lawn
would constitute other areas of the law, such
as "tresspassing" and "fire ordinances." As
far as spoken threats, there are other law
for that. Anyway, I'm sure that Straw Man
went over great a People's Park, but outside
in reality it sounds pretty silly.
\_ I'm not sure about what the People's Park
reference is about but, anyway, Justice
Scalia, for one, argued strongly that cross
burning is free speech.
\_ "Threatened" is way too broad. There is a similar
law about weapons (not necessarily guns). In
theory, you can carry certain weapons as long as
they are visible. In practice, if someone feels
"threatened" by this, off to jail you go. I can't
help but remember Monty Burns: "Thank God we
live in a country so hysterical about crime..."
-- ilyas
\_ Don't forget, if the person feeling "threatened"
happened to be sleeping with a member of the
politburo, it can even get the motd shut down. |
| 2004/4/9 [Computer/SW/Database] UID:13107 Activity:nil |
4/8 In SQL, say I have two tables, one references to another. What is the
query that will list all the entries in the first table that doesn't
occur in the second table? I'd like to do "SELECT a.id FROM
a,b WHERE a.id!=b.id". However, this doesn't quite work. Thanks.
\_ The following works in PostgreSQL; I don't know if the IS NULL
syntax is part of SQL or an extension. Note that, in Postgres,
replacing 'IS NULL' with '= NULL' doesn't work.
SELECT a.id FROM a LEFT OUTER JOIN b ON a.id=b.id WHERE b.id IS NULL
There may well be a more efficient way of doing this, but this
one works. -gm
\_ SELECT id FROM first_table a WHERE NOT EXISTS
(SELECT * FROM second_table b WHERE b.id = a.id) |
| 2004/4/9 [Computer/SW/WWW/Server] UID:13108 Activity:moderate |
4/8 So I'm using Subversion for personal work. I set up a debian server
and got apache2 running and svn-dav working so I can use http URL's for
the repository. I've got basic authentication working, but I'd like to
try https authentication. But I'm an apache newbie. Anyone have
pointers to either doing this specific task or a tutorial on apache2
SSL configuration (including certificates, etc.)?
\_ and it all went quiet in the city
and the wind blew down the road
someone cried out SUBVERT!
and the people all went cold
meanwhile back in subvert city
someone's writing on the wall
fuck the government spraypaint hero
it's subvert city...it's subvert rule!!
\_ google is your friend. But you can check out
http://www.geotrust.com/quickssl/csr/index.htm and
http://www.geotrust.com/quickssl/install/index.htm for more info |
| 2004/4/9 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:13109 Activity:nil |
4/8 I'm driving up to Seattle/Vancouver on Sunday just for kicks. Any
suggestions of places to stop on the way? So far I've been recommended
the Tulip Festival in Skagit (tulipfestival.org).
\_ I'm leaving Sunday and have to be in Seattle on Tuesday, so like
the person below says... I am sort of "blasting" through. However,
I would like to make a 3-4 detour either through a national forest,
quaint town, or something like that. The suggestions below are all
great... much appreciated.
\_ errr ... that's a very long drive with literally hundreds
of places on the way worth visiting.
\_ yes, that's teh problem, so much to do, so little time.
http://traveloregon.com is a pretty good site.
\- helo if you are interested in geology, there are some
interesting locations in eastern oregon to drive through
rather than blasting up 5. but yeah, you have to put
more on the table for meaningful feedback.
\_ If you're going through Portland, I recommend stopping at
Powell's bookstore. I've been told it's the biggest bookstore.
\_ Powell's rocks. Also in Portland is the nickel arcade
(very cheap arcade games) and Dot's, a dive-y bar with
a sock monkey tree. I recommend the Lime Rickey. -brain
\_ An arcade? give me a break...
\_ Redwood national forest on the border btw Oregon and CA, and
some volcanic lake the name of which I forgot somewhat more inland.
These things stand out on any map so I guess maybe you are not
into nature things if you bothered to ask.
\_ Crater Lake. It's cool. I think it's a National Park.
\_ I was thinking about going here. What's it like? Big holes
in the ground, volcanic ash?
\_ It's a beautiful deep blue lake that is very deep. It's
surrounded by a cliff rim all the way around that drops
several hundred feet to the lake surface. There's a
funny little island in the middle you can take a boat out
to. You can also hike up to some of the little peaks
around the rim.
\_ Portland's rose garden is nice, though probably not so much so this
time of year.
\_ The Bridgeport Brewery in Portland:
http://www.bridgeportbrew.com/bp-brewery.html
Free tours at 2 and 5 daily.
\_ don't forget to pick up danh on your way back
\_ Lake Shastina. Say hi to Ponch while you're there. |
| 2004/4/9-10 [Recreation/Dating] UID:13110 Activity:nil |
4/8 Does anybody have audio of Ice T on Law & Order SVU saying,
"You on the down-low, dude!". It was on Monday or Tuesday night.
\_ on NBC? USA will re-air it a week or two later. let me know if
you want me to get it for you then. --jameslin
\_ That little bit with Ice-T explaining down-lows was the most fun
SVU's been since I've started watching it. "I just know stuff.".
-- forced to watch dumb TV w/ my wife.
\_ What does she do for you? Anal? Threesomes? Fulfilling your
"big black man fucked my wife while i was forced to watch"
fantasy? Can I fuck your wife? I don't care if you watch or not.
\_ Whoah. Did I piss in your Cheerios or something? If I did, I'm
sorry about it.
\_ What every good wife does, puts up with your shit without
killing you.
\_ You got the whole marriage thing all confused. I was
joking before but if your reply is serious you need some
serious marriage counseling to explain that marriage is
a two-way street and it isn't a big 'favor' to you that
she has deigned to marry you and stay. I'm the last person
to use pansy ass phrases like "self esteem issue" but you
qualify. -married on two-way street
\_ you're full of shit, and probably love to hear yourself
talk. putting up with someones shit can be a 2-way
street. i put up with shit from my wife, and she puts
up with shit from me. we both get more out
of being together than we loose by putting up with the
\_ nweaver is married?
shit, so it's a net gain both ways. of course, the
above issue is not relevant for me, since my wife and
i both hate television.
\_ Uhm, yeah, I'm so glad for you that your marriage is
full of such joy that the best you can say is the
benefits outweigh the crap. And you think *I'm* full
of shit? I'm happily married. No one in my house
puts up with crap from anyone. --happily married on
2-way street with no crap unlike you, you
poor dumb bastard
\_ So you both have the same personality? You have
coupled bliss of no disagreements and no different
opinions? Nothing you do bugs your wife or vice
versa? Wow.
\_ I'm sorry. I've noticed that the bi and large comment
usually also apply to polyamourous women.
\_ uh? a bit off topic this afternoon, eh?
\_ how else would you interpret a two-way marriage?
\_ He said two-way street, not two-way marraige.
Normal people would just interpret that as
meaning that sometimes you give some and
sometimes you get some. Weird, sicko
degenerates on the other hand...
\_ if she hasn't killed you yet, it's only because your
future earning potential >> f(life insurance coverage,
your annoyance value, likelihood of landing someone
better). once you stop being an earner, you're gone.
\_ BDG, where are you???
\_ Yes, this is definitely the right time for BDG to come
on board and help this poor dummy out before her lawyer
gets to him.
\- I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by
marriage, starving hysterical naked, dragging
themselves through the sloda motd at dawn looking
for an angry fix, angelheaded hipsters burning for
the ancient heavenly connection to the starry
dynamo in the machinery of night, who poverty and
tatters and hollow-eyed and high sat up smoking in
the supernatural darkness of cold-water flats
floating across the tops of cities contemplating
internet p0rn, who bared their brains to Heaven
under the El and saw Mohammedan angels staggering
on tenement roofs illuminated, who passed through
universities with radiant cool eyes hallucinating
freepers and Blake-light tragedy among the scholars
of war, who were expelled from the academies for
crazy & publishing obscene odes on the windows of
the skull, who cowered in unshaven rooms in
underwear, burning their money in wastebaskets and
listening to the Terror through the wall, who got
busted in their pubic beards returning through
Laredo with a belt of marijuana for New York, who
ate fire in paint hotels or drank turpentine in
Paradise Alley, death, or purgatoried their torsos
night after night with Skyler, with drugs, with
waking nightmares, alcohol and cock and endless
balls, incomparable blind.
--Allan Ginsberg | psb@sloda |
| 2004/4/9 [Transportation/Airplane] UID:13111 Activity:nil |
4/9 Radar clocks Mini Cooper at mach 3: http://csua.org/u/6ud \_ Equiped with Mini-Twin Rocket Pack(c) and Dual Enhanced Thruster System(c) while pointed straight downwards after being dropped from orbit by ESA launch vehicle last June. \_ I wonder how much an outfit like Mini might pay for that sort of \_ BMW thing. |
| 2004/4/9 [Uncategorized] UID:13112 Activity:nil |
4/9 I'm detecting dangerous levels of non-entertainment. Why isn't
the motd police here to cleanse this excrement?
\_ Be more funny! |
| 2004/4/9 [Health/Men] UID:13113 Activity:nil |
4/9 There are 600,426,974,379,824,381,952 ways to spell Viagra
http://cockeyed.com/lessons/viagra/viagra.html
\_ The 10,000 names of God? |
| 2004/4/9-10 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:13114 Activity:nil |
4/9 Iran is next:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040407-124311-9361r.htm
\_ Will we be welcomed as liberators?
\_ For some definition of "liberators," and some arbitrarily
large epsilon around that definition. |
| 2004/4/9-10 [Computer/HW/IO, Computer/SW/OS/OsX] UID:13115 Activity:nil |
4/9 One side of my shoulder hurts very often, even when I am not doing
anything but (especially) sitting. Don't know if this is repetitive
stress syndrome or anthritis. Not asking for medical opinion on motd
but just wondering if anyone else has had that too.
\_ Totally serious: left shoulder? I had the same thing, where I would
slouch very slightly on the left armrest, which could not be
adjusted low enough. 2 weeks ago I unscrewed the thing and made it
into an office mobile, and my shoulder's starting to feel better.
I keep the right one to use the mouse with.
\_ My office chair has no arm rests, and I like it that way.
\_ reformatted
\_ Right shoulder, but I use my left for mouse, even though I am
right handed. -- op
\_ Do you carry a backpack on one shoulder? Or carry anything
semi-heavy unbalanced on a regular basis?
\_ My g/f, who is 33, had the same problem. She went to the doc
and he said it was degenerative arthritis. He put her on an
exercise regimen that mostly made it go away.
\_ well are you doing a certain kind of movement (e.g. sports)?
\_ this is the motd.
\_ i had the same thing on my right shoulder. but it was only when
using my home computer after buying a new Mac (only relevant bc
I stopped using an MS keyboard). I bought a new chair and the prob
mostly went away. |
| 2004/4/9-11 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:13116 Activity:nil |
4/9 I am switching to a maildir format with my mail server so I can
implement virtual domains with courier imap. What should I
recommend to users who are used to using pine. I don't want to
have to patch pine for maildir. We,^H^H^H Some of these users have
been using pine since their teens and are now well into their 30s
and the transition many not be easy so i want to avoid telling them
"learn mh". Anything out there pine-like that supports maildir that
I can install for us^H^H them to use?
\_hmm, if they connect with pine to 127.0.0.1:imap I needn't worry
about plain-text password passing right?
\_ pine + imap kinda sucks. I moved our mail system over to qmail+
maildir, but forward my mail over to another machine so that
i can still use good ol' pine. - ex-mh user
\_ ex-mh user? there are no ex-mh users. and they sure as hell
wouldn't go to pine. you mean you tried mh one day and gave
up because you couldn't read a man page so you switched to
the most broken mailer available.
\_ Belive pine supports SSL/TLS too. Though, my personal
suggestion would be to get rid of pine since it's author
refuses to support this useful mail box format. He seems
to have a personal vendetta against maildir and djb.
\_ just implement and fork it. that's what OS is about! the
original author owes you nothing. scratch that itch!
\_ make virtual domains use maildir, keep local mail in mbox.
This is the way I have it setup. shell users use pine,
remote folks use maildir/courier/imap/ssl
\_ ok this sounds like a good idea, but how do i tell procmail(?)
to deliver the mail differently to virtual domains? Also,
this means, i presume, that the shell users can't use imap
even if they want to (which is ok, since I don't let them now
anyway as my imap/pop is unencrypted).
\_ You can't tell procmail to deliver mail differently to
virtual domains because procmail has no idea what a domain
is. It is a *local* delivery agent. There are hackish ways
to accomplish this, but you don't want to go there. -dans
\_ A few useful things you should know:
* cyrus >> courier >> uw imap
I've set up and used all three. Cyrus is a royal fucking pain
in the ass to set up, but, once working, is a thing of beauty.
Cyrus cannot be used with procmail (it's architectural, you can
read the docs if you care). Courier is solid, but it runs as
root and that always bugged me. Plus, it's performance on
ludicrously sized mail folders (> 1.5G) was unacceptable (yes, I
care, and if you're 30 and using pine, so do you). UW IMAP is,
like most ``production'' software that comes out of UW a steaming
pile of shit which lacks features and includes bugs they refuse
to fix for `political reasons.'
* Mutt can be made to act like pine, just change the keybindings.
It has better IMAP support to (which is pretty absurd when you
realize that UW IMAP is supposed to be the reference
implementation). This is probably an hour of work, and somebody
has probably already written the mutt-like-pine .muttrc if you're
feeling lazy.
* Why aren't you using SSL? It is trivial to set up in both
Courier and Cyrus, and not completely gross in UW. You realize
it takes about five minutes and costs nothing to roll your own
CA, and create a cert for your imap server(s)? Yes, self-signed
certs are a pain with some client software, but since your
concern is the dour-naysayer big fat sysadmin types, they'll
figure it out.
\_ we're not fat. we don't have time to eat. we spend our
waking (and sleeping) hours cleaning up other people's messes
and implementing other people's fucked up plans and then
fixing them after the obvious happens.
\_ You're well into your 30s and still using pine. This is
the behavior of someone who likes putting out fires, not
someone who thinks strategically and applies his efforts to
minimize fires which buys more time in the long run.
\_ I'm well into my 30s and using mh. pine doesn't even
exist on my systems. -- !fat, !time, !stupid, sysadmin
\_ And you still feel the need to seek approval from
anonymous motd posters. How's that working for you?
\_ That's one interpretation. Wrong, but if you want
to think that, whatever. You feel the need to
insult and attack anonymous motd posters. How's
*that* working for *you*? See? It goes both ways
yet still means nothing.
* The UW mailtool program (included with UW IMAP, I think) is your
friend. Sadly, there still exists no swiss army knife for
converting between mailbox formats, but the UW mailtool is fairly
good, and it speaks IMAP so you can convert mbox spools to
maildir by having it talk to your maildir format IMAP server.
Oh, yeah, if all your mail start being reported as the wrong date
(i.e. the day you converted it), that's due to the maildir
format, and how Courier implements it. Notably, Cyrus, which
uses its own maildir-like format (more or less non-standard
maildir plus index file) does not suffer from this problem.
* Bug me if you have any interest in running Cyrus, I have notes I
took in order to write a how-to at some point in the future.
- dans |
| 2004/4/9-10 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:13117 Activity:nil |
4/9 did the bush administration actually say that we would be greeted as
liberators or is that hippie propoganda? also, if it is true, what's
the conservative response to that claim? is it that the vast majority
of iraqis are happy for what we did? sorry for trolling, but i don't
follow the news closely enough to remember what was actually said.
\_ http://www.dailykos.net/archives/002162.html
\_ You and everyone else.
\_ it's a "small group of criminals and thugs" who are causing
trouble right now
\_ C'mon now, you can type "greeted as liberators" into google
for yourself and find out. |
| 2004/4/9-10 [Reference/Military, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:13118 Activity:nil |
4/9 War is hell:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ginmar/256570.html
\_ no it's not, it's like walking in the park! |
| 2004/4/9-10 [Uncategorized] UID:13119 Activity:nil |
4/9 Url without descriptive comment purged. |
| 2004/4/9-10 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:13120 Activity:nil |
4/9 Any comments on Bodik's cs164 class from last fall? I was looking
over the assignments and they look interesting-
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~bodik/cs164-fall-2003/assignments/pa4.pdf
\_ i took it last fall. the projects were really interesting and he is
a good lecturer. i'd recommend taking the class from him. if you'd
like more info, email me - erikk |
| 2004/4/9-10 [Computer/SW/Compilers, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:13121 Activity:nil |
4/9 Anybody using Eclipse's CDT package? Is it possible to sync the
gdb view with the current code that is being executed? |
| 2004/4/9-11 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:13122 Activity:low |
4/9 What browser do OS X users use? I use Safari but 3-4 of the sites I
frequently visit have problems with it, so then I fall back to FireFox
and as a last ditch effort, IE.
\_ There's a way to enable the "Debug" menu in Safari. I forgot what
it is but it's some XML preference. From there, you can switch
your "User Agent".
\_ Type the following in Terminal and restart Safari:
defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1
\_ I use mozilla because, despite the fact that it's much slower, it is
also a lot more feature rich than Safari.
\_ I had to juggle among the 4. BTW, Safari beta was quite fast but
since 1.0 it has become intolerably slower. Mozilla/FF, however,
behave rather strangely at times and often refuse to download
images on the web page. I also notice at lease one place where
the current version of Safari version of safari is less compatible
than earlier one: http://hotmail.com
\_ windows and IE have no problem on any web pages. if you can't
beat em, join em! windows/IE >>> non-windows/non-IE.
\_ not totally true. Since the windows updates last fall, IE
on W2K and XP acts strangely with backslashes in some tags.
But, since most website design targets Windows IE users, this
doesn't show up much.
\_ Exactly. IE is the most popular and thus the best and that's
why everything is tested and works on it. I'll bet those
few broken things don't work on other browers either.
\_ One HUGE place where windows IE out of the box sucks
is that it doesn't block popups by default. Other features
include Auto-Form Fill and Tabbed Browsing. Also, Safari
lets me hit back on pages that I visited that contained
forms, where WindowsIE won't let me. --mac/windows user.
\_ why would you want to block popups? it's called
targetted advertising. if you didn't want those
products you wouldn't be on those websites. popups
are good! they pay for the web. IE has autoform fill
and had it long before mozilla. safari didn't even
exist when IE had autoform fill. tabs are for babies.
just open another window. what is the point of tabs
when you're just getting more pages that your browser
can't read anyway? while tabbing, mozilla will often
freeze the curernt window so you're not really getting
the multi tab features tabbing should provide. and
lastly i dont know what your BACK problem is. i can go
forwards/backwards through my history with no problem.
IE won the browser wars for a reason: it is superior to
the third party alternatives due to innovation and
leading the pack, not following it.
\_ I use IE, even though M$ dropped support for it.
\_ There are also Opera for Mac and a browser from the OmniGroup.
Anyone used them at all? |
| 2004/4/9-10 [Science/Electric] UID:13123 Activity:high |
4/9 This is one of the most elaborate April Fool's articles I've seen
so far: http://www.japan.com/technology/index.php
\_ what evidence is there that it is an intentional April Fool's prank
and not just another article about some crackpot?
\_ "The laws of thermodynamics WILL BE obeyed in this house, young
lady!" |
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