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2004/4/1-2 [Recreation/Humor] UID:12964 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto Edit_by:auto |
4/1 http://www.google.com/jobs/lunar_job.html -John \_ That's hilarious. What do you think they are going to do with with people who actually reply to that? I'm tempted to try just to find out. \_ Don't waste your time. I already applied and got an offer back this afternoon. Now that I'm hiring manager for the new center, I'll be taking new applications for drones in a few weeks. I need someone to test experimental oxygen tanks and space walk suits. Any experience in those areas? \_ i liked their pigeon-assisted technology one from last year better. \_ TCP/IP Over Avian Carrier \_ no, http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html |
2004/4/1-2 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/China, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Taiwan] UID:12965 Activity:very high |
4/1 The reason why PRC is keeping quiet about Taiwan election - http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_14/b3877006.htm http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_14/b3877002.htm \_ because PRC learned its lesson. Last thing they want is TW nationals rallying against them. If you know anything about Chinese Communist Party, you should know that when they are being people rally against them. If you know anything about Chinese quiet, that is when you should be REALLY worry about them. \_ This article is filled with "I'm a moron" spin. Another way you could spin it is that Chen's share of the vote increased from ~ 35-40% from the 2000 election to ~ 50% for 2004, China would find its own stability problematic if it decided to attack Taiwan and disrupt business, everyone in Taiwan already knew the referendums were totally political anyway, and whatever China has or hasn't done, Chen has been re-elected. In fact, I would say that China has realized its previously asinine diplomatic approaches have been replaced with something more reasonable. \_ why the range of 35-40% ? he got 39% in 2000 in a 3-way race. \_ maybe because I couldn't remember what the exact percentage was? \_ let's say if taiwan declares independence, and prc takes over all taiwan linked assets and factories in china, and cuts off all trade with taiwan (prc being taiwan's biggest export market). is this a cost taiwan is willing to bear to move from status quo to independence? for how long? \_ What if then the US freezes all trade to China? Is this a cost China is willing to bear by being aggressive to Taiwan? For how long? \_ Fat chance. That would wreck our economy. If China attacked Taiwan, we'd make a lot of noise and let them burn. \_ In order for China to attack Taiwan, it will need to mass forces. The U.S. will deploy a couple aircraft carriers, deterring the amphibious assault. China will need a credible anti-carrier capability, which is why it's developing GPS-guided cruise missiles. If the U.S. can somehow manage to maintain combat superiority, China won't even try to mass forces. In the mean time, the U.S. is hoping China and Taiwan will develop business links to an extent that neither will want to disrupt the trade relationship. \_ I doubt China will try to invade Taiwan. Instead, it may shoot a few missiles, send it's submarine fleet around Taiwan and warn other countries to refrain from sailing their ships there. This would bring the US fleet near Taiwan, and then who knows what will happen. US will likely be pressuring Taiwan to backtrack on independence \_ Fat chance. That would wreck our economy. If China attacked Taiwan, we'd make a lot of noise and let them burn. mean time, the U.S. is hoping China and Taiwan will develop business links to an extent that neither will want to disrupt the trade relationship. at that point. Die hard Taiwan independence advocates will wish the posturing will escalate into a war between US and prc. \_ The PRC is a loooong way from even thinking about being able to take on the US Navy. They might sink a few ships but they'll lose *everything* they've spent 20+ years building up in a few hours and they know it. If it was otherwise they would have attacked already. \_ clueless one. the prc doesn't need to take on the US Navy. All they need is to cut off all trade with Taiwan and Taiwan is economically dead. \_ So is China. China wouldn't cut off it's nose to spite their face. Don't call me clueless until you've demonstrated superior knowledge or ability. You've failed on both counts thus far. China has only 2 options to retake Taiwan. The Taiwanese vote to go back which is less likely each day or they invade. \_ Can't you just accept that people like political Communist Party, you should know that when they are being quiet, that is when you should be REALLY worry about them. be forced to do. \_ nobody mentioned anything about "attack". \_ It isn't even a choice. It's the minimal PRC would be forced to do. \_ "forced to do", hmmm. \_ exactly. which part of it do you not understand? \_ That's a lot of "if's". Taiwan will not declare independence; rather, Chen will say it was always independent, so there was nothing to declare anyway. The question you should be asking is, what if Chen passes a new constitution, and that's a big if, too. \_ Chen will push and push, but PRC will finally draw a line, and that's what I am referring to above. stop nitpicking, and wasting words. if, too. And if a new constitution were passed, I have a hard time believing that China would follow up with what you said. I would say this path would lead to war with the U.S., and China wouldn't want to take that chance, since they know they would be beat by the U.S., and they wouldn't want to lose face in any withdrawal. freedoms, people like personal freedoms, they don't want the half-assed Hong Kong "Basic Law" situation -- and they want anyone who would take away those freedoms to go to hell? Just ask all the KMT protesters (even though they're all wrong). \_ Taiwan already has political and personal freedoms. Taiwan independence is a possible option in theory. In reality the cost is too high, especially when Taiwan already has all the freedoms under the current status quo. \_ Except for the constant threat of Chinese invasion, yeah, sort of. \_ the problem has always been how to deal with the threat. burying your skull in the sand doesn't help. \_ It isn't even a choice. It's the minimal PRC would be forced to do. \_ That's a lot of "if's". Taiwan will not declare independence; rather, Chen will say it was always independent, so there was nothing to declare anyway. The question you should be asking is, what if Chen passes a new constitution, and that's a big if, too. And if a new constitution were passed, I have a hard time believing that China would follow up with what you said. I would say this path would lead to war with the U.S., and China wouldn't want to take that chance, since they know they would be beat by the U.S., and they wouldn't want to lose face in any withdrawal. \_ chen can push and push, but prc will draw a line somewhere, and then the above actions is the minimal that the prc will do. It may be all at once or one step at a time but it will go on until taiwan backs down. it doesn't need to fire a shot, and taiwan's economy would be in ruins. Is that a cost taiwan is willing to pay to go from status quo (note: nobody is talking about being subject to prc rule here) to independence? United States has been protecting Taiwan for the past half a century. Instead of being grateful, should Taiwan insist on demanding that Americans spill blood for them, moving in a direction that would be economically devastating to Taiwan, China, US and all east asian nations? President Bush has repeatedly pleaded with Chen to tone down because Chen's actions are not in the interest of the United States. \_ It's just a matter of time. One day China will be strong enough to go for it. Taiwan can't do a thing to stop that. When that day comes the US can defend or not defend Taiwan. If the US chooses to defend Taiwan then pray the Chinese have underestimated US navy power. If the US backs down it is the end of US super power status and the start of another 50 year cold war the whole world will suffer through. \_ Last two posters, will you please speak in specifics? "One day China will be strong enough to go for it". I could just as easily say: One day China will have a democratic revolution, and Taiwan will join China's democracy once everything has settled down. Both seem equally believable to me, especially since China is *vastly* outclassed by U.S. naval and air power, and the U.S. will make a good effort to keep up its military superiority if China advances far enough. \_ Specifically, "go for it" = "invade". You could just as easily say your butt is made of green cheese (just like the moon), but it is not equally likely. If you find the cheese theory and the China invasion theory equally believable then I've got a bridge in Florida to sell you. China doesnt have to have a better navy/af. They only have to be superior in the local region. If they can pull a fast one and cripple local US navy forces and put a few 10s of thousands of men on Taiwan before US reinforcements can show up they've won. There will be some bogus peace treaty signed and Taiwan will vanish into the history books as a minor blurb in some grey side panel box. \_ Die hard Taiwan independence supporters doesn't care whether China becomes democratic or not. They want independence at all cost. They are driven in a large part by past hatred rather than a vision for the future. \_ Quick question, what's wrong with wanting independence for its own sake? -- ilyas \_ Exactly. I'm with you on that one. \_ look, if you can magically turn china into a brunei, then go ahead with independence with my full support. Unlike freedoms or democracy, which is by nature good, political independence is neutral in itself. Its merits is dependent on how well it will work for the people in practice. \_ China will never be militarily stronger than the US. The problem is, it doesn't need to be. It can totally screw up Taiwan's economic livelihood without firing a shot. Stop trolling. \_ Never? Ever? History is full of dead and defeated super powers that would rule the world *forever* or so they thought. No one on this thread is trolling. Some of us simply disagree with you. That is *not* trolling. You want trolls? There are plenty of trolls on the other motd threads right now, but not here. \_ Except that the world is now just a big village. And in a small contained world, once one party attains the upper hand, it will only get stronger and stronger. |
2004/4/1 [Uncategorized/Multicategory] UID:12966 Activity:nil |
4/1 http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/gastron.shtml |
2004/4/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:12967 Activity:nil |
4/1 Bush and Cheney wed! http://www.planetout.com/news/feature.html?sernum=840 |
2004/4/1-2 [Computer/Networking] UID:12968 Activity:moderate |
4/1 My DSL modem is about 25 feet from the phone jack. My best download speed tops out around 1.1Mbit. Would I get much closer to 1.5Mbit if I use a shorter phone line? \_ it's more the distance from the DSL station than from your phone jack. i'm right at the boundary, so i get only 768kbps \_ Yep. I'm really close and I get 6mbps download. \_ I hate you. \_ ISP? DSLExtremeP \_ It's about $100/month. I don't see it on their website so I'll ask if you want. Email me @ peterl \_ It's $60/mo in SoCal if you are close enough to the CO. \_ I've got Speakeasy, 3mbps down/768kbps up. Service (phone support and online trouble tickets) is fantastic. I'm paying about $100/month. I know they offer 6mbps down/768kbps up for about $10 or $20 more. I'd recommend them highly. Email me if interested. -dans \_ Speakeasy is OVER-RATED. |
2004/4/1-2 [Science/Biology] UID:12969 Activity:low |
4/1 HAHAHAHAHA OOPS. Another Darwin award winner: http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/04/01/rape.fantasy.reut/index.html \_ he didn't kill himself. \_ Okay, potential Darwin award nominee then. \_ The article says she attacked his testicles. If he can't reproduce, he's a legitimate candiate. \_ At least his mind was cool enough to stop and ask, instead of overwhalmed by the consensual sex he thought he was about the get and went ahead and raped the woman anyway. \_ Yeah, he's not that dumb/evil. He made a simple mistake under highly unusual and salacious circumstances. |
2004/4/1-3 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12970 Activity:nil |
4/1 I subscribe to an audio service that just started providing downloads for the audio. I'd like to download several files (URL easily generated algorithmically), but I have to authenticate through a form. Anyone have an example of how to easily use curl to enter a form and save cookies so that it can download these files? \_ once: curl -c cookies.txt '<DEAD>.../?user=...&pass=<DEAD> many: curl -c cookies.txt -O http://path/to/file --dbushong \_ Consider this your lucky day (you do use firefox, right?): http://www.bengoodger.com/software/tabloader You just set the extensions of the files you want to autodownload, then hit ctrl-shift-s (the latter bit is not mentioned prominently, so I'll repeat it: Ctrl-Shift-S). |
2004/4/1 [Uncategorized] UID:12971 Activity:nil |
4/1 RFC 3751 Omniscience Protocol Requirements ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3751.txt |
2004/4/1-2 [Uncategorized] UID:12972 Activity:nil |
4/1 Hmm, aljazeera's english site doesn't mention what happened today in fallujah. Fair and balanced... \_ I don't think they ever said they were fair and balanced. |
2004/4/1-2 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:12973 Activity:low |
4/1 I am so fucking tired of being overwritten that I will gleefully nuke the motd rather than watch this bullshit continue. \_ Please use motdedit. Seriously guys, use your head. \_ Please go fuck yourself. Seriously, dude, fuck you. \_ Ooh, well reasoned response, you got me. \_ Slightly more reasoned than suggesting motdedit. \_ can someone PLEASE change motdedit so that it'll delete the trailing \s+ in motd left by a dumb ass emacs user? -annoyed vi'er \- use (setq next-line-max-inserted-newlines 1) --psb \_ i think he's complaining about emacs users, not that he is a clueless emacs user who is concerned about his own extras. \_ Wah wah wah, I am so selfish and childlike that I will destory the motd rather than use a free tool that makes it easy to co-operatively use it. \_ except for the fact that motdedit munges the crap out of the motd. you get what you pay for. \_ Good point. I'll use MSWord. -John \_ At least MSWord can properly lock a shared file. |
2004/4/1-2 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:12974 Activity:very high |
4/1 what kind of military strategy would you do in fallujah? the best one i heard is to set up a camp w/ food and beds outside the city, cordon the city and empty it out inspecting each person for weapons, removing weapons from them and searching the homes for explosives and weapons. Then moving people back in. \_ TO KRUSH ZEIR ENEMIES, TO SEE ZEM DRIVEN BEFORE YOO, UND TO HEAR \_ I'm waiting for a Pentagon spokesperson to slip up and call them Sadamites. \_ http://www.jengajam.com/r/Saddam-Hey-Ya ZE LAMENTATION OF ZEIR VOMEN. -Johnan the Barbarian \_ Iron boot. The place was showered with goodies stolen from the rest of Iraq for Saddam's entire multi decade tenure. Of course they're pissed off that they don't get to live well at the expense of the rest of the country now. They'll never happily go along with anything. The uprising needs to be crushed utterly and convincingly. Some only understand and respect force and violence. It is unfortunate but it is the way it is sometimes. This is one of those times. \_ 1 saddaam + 1 saddaam = 2 saddaams \_ You'd have to cordon off the city before you start building the camp or else people would get wise and move their weapons. Then during construction you'd have to make sure that food/water and \_ I'm a liberal too and I'm not really mad at them. How dare they kill us nice invaders. Don't they understand we're here to help them? Maybe to save the village we have to destroy it. miscelaneous goods can exit/enter the city, wiout weapons being smuggled out. Then once you clear people, you'd have to make sure they didn't loot their neighbors houses while they are in the camp. Then when you're all done you have to make sure people don't just smuggle in more weapons. \_ I'm a self-described liberal, and even I would have difficulty resisting the urge to firebomb Fallujah into rubble right now. \_ I'm a liberal too and I'm not really mad at them. How dare they kill us nice invaders. Don't they understand we're here to help them? Maybe to save the village we have to destroy it. \_ There's a huge difference between killing someone and shooting up their vehicle, setting fire to it, fragging the still living people to the street where you stomp them to death under foot, hack their bodies to pieces and drag what's left \_ These "contractors" ride in heavily armed caravans (for obvious reasons). through the streets and hang it from a bridge with a big stupid grin on your face for the cameras. \_ yea it's much better to drop anti-personnel bombs with thousands of bomblets from high up in the sky. Much \_ Just until Americans leave, like in Somalia \_ Hehe. Why do you hate America? more civilized. \_ sorry, not taking the bait or feeding the trolls tonight \_ Not only were they civilians, they were delivering FOOD TO THE HUNGRY. They're animals (those Iraqis who did this) and should be hunted down like animals. \_ If foreigners invaded America, I would try to kill them, and I wouldn't be too \_ Do you feel the same way about how the Italians treated Mussolini? concerned if they were officially civilians or not. \_ would you attack the French for helping kick out the British for independence? \_ I see your point, but that is not analogous to the situation in Fallujah. Maybe in the Kurd dominated or even Sunni dominated regions, but not there. \_ Hehe, even if their express purpose was ousting Dubya? You talk about killing, but a much more civilized way of killing. I don't think you would have the guts to do it if it came down to it. -- ilyas \_ yea, it's much easier to kill when you are high up in the air, dropping those smart bombs with lots of bomblets. the enemy die the same kind of horrible death, but it is much more civilized. \_ The people they killed were just civilians. \_ I know that. But if you were a Sunni they'd sure look a lot like invaders to you. \_ 70% of the Iraqis would rather have the US troops instead of the UN troops. \_ Where do you get this figure? carrying weapons. They are likely to be working closly \_ Now, now.. There is no right and wrong, only different cultures. \_ Zogby polling. --!that person above but saw it \_ In other news, 38% of all statistics are made up on \_ try harder the spot. \_ this would be funny if uhm well nevermind.... \_ See, this is typical liberal smugness. Iraqis are no more dumb than you or I (well definitely not as dumb as you). Saying civilians look like invaders to them is like saying _their_ civilians look like terrorists to us, and we should just hang up a few as an example to others. Idiot. \_ Perhaps you read me too literaly. I wasn't \_ (1) stop sending in unarmored vehicles without escort (put up roadblocks to prevent someone from accidentally doing this) (2) do the standard sweep they've always been doing, but more suggesting they were incapable of telling the difference between a soldier and a civilian. I was merely saying that from their point of view, both are equally valid targets. \_ Well, if they feel that way, I suppose it's equally valid for us to see them all as valid targets too. Anyone with half a brain will see that you can't provoke Americans forever. \_ Just until Americans leave, like in Somalia \_ Hehe. Why do you hate America? \_ You're a piece of shit. \_ They are all ex-Navy Seals and ex-Rangers. They are carrying weapons. They are likely to be working closely with the US military. (indentation corrected) \_ No, they're actually there as security for business people from Europe and local politicians. \_ There are acts of resistance I am willing to accept. The immolation, dismemberment, and hanging of anyone, armed combatant or civilian, is inhuman and deserves no excusing. This was barbarism, pure and simple. -SDL \_ Do you feel the same way about how the Italians treated Mussolini? \_ Of course. It was barbaric. -!SDL \_ No, they're aren't stupid, they knew. They thought "Hey, here are some white guys who can't fight back Boo-yah!" That's just plain old murder. \_ From their point of view, the US government it the embodiment of evil. If they were on the motd, they \_ send in the Terminators would probably say it's in line with French partisans killing members of the Vichy Government. \_ Which would still be wrong when you stomp them to death, set them afire and hang them from a bridge. Is there any case of that in France? \_ Cough. These weren't just civilians. These were armed security contractors, US mercenaries. \_ SO, in other words, they were working for Iraqis... That makes it SO much more reasonable to kill them. \_ Hmmm... US Mercenary = Working for the US. \_ No, they worked for local politicians and EU businessmen as security. \_ useless, weapons will flow right back in. best way is to use fense and towers to divide the city into small sections. costly though. the unfortunate truth is that, yes, saddam is a brutal dictator, but the 5m Sunnis like him, and so we have a 5m hostile population supporting guerilla activities. our invasion is detrimental to them. \_ No this is NOT LIKE VIETNAM. \_ of course it isn't, but still we should do it right and do it cleanly, the more weapons we destroy the less will be available. \_ actually it is like vietnam. even the casualty rate is comparable to vietnam. Note that the hostile population under occupation (and in the north) in vietnam is like 10 times the 5m sunnis, and vietnam war lasted about 7 years. 600*10*7 gives 42000. \_ hahaa, go back to the books cuz you don't know squat about vietnam, rates are nowhere near \_ try harder \_ I did the math. The rates are 1/10th Vietnam rates. \_ I am more interested in how US military fares against guerilla warfare compared to during vietnam times. I have to conclude it's not much better given that the hostile population of 5m Sunnis is 1/10th the number of the 50m hostile vietnamese and the number of casualties per year is also about 1/10th. This demonstrates the limitation of US power as an occupational force. In conventional warfare it now reigns supreme, but not in guerilla warfare. \_ The number of local people has nothing to do with anything. Your analogy is false. Anyway, the total number of American deaths so far is trivial (except to the dead and their families of course, but militarily meaningless). The US, Brits, and Canadians lost over 5000 men at DDay on just the first day. That was considered a great success and much lower first *day* losses than expected. Militarily, we're not only not losing but completely kicked and continue to kick ass in Iraq. The resistence is 99.9999% ineffective. The problems are diplomatic and due to domestic weakness and lack of will on the part of a minority segment of the American population. \_ False. The size of the hostile population means everything. That's why we cannot allow the shiites to turn hostile too. otherwise we are screwed. Your D-Day analogy is the one that's ludicrous. \_ Nuke 'em. \_ i think the new war technics will likely involve crowd control and more police like tactics. Moving innocent civilians cleanly and safely to root out the bad guys is where new technology and new strategy will come in. \_ None of these will work. They either require huge amounts of manpower that the US can't/won't provide or they greatly subvert positive gains the US has made. And if you start popping off civilians, you're just making things worse. \_ (1) stop sending in unarmored vehicles without escort (put up roadblocks to prevent someone from accidentally doing this) (2) do the standard sweep they've always been doing, but more |
2004/4/1-3 [Uncategorized] UID:12975 Activity:nil |
4/1 Is it possible to use G++'s -g (debug symbols) flag with a project that is incrementally linked? Any pointers? |
2004/4/1-2 [Recreation/Activities] UID:12976 Activity:nil |
4/1 Will we get any more snow in Tahoe this month? \_ link:www.weather.com/weather/local/USCA0584 \_ light dusting of snow this morning. |
2004/4/1-2 [Politics/Domestic/California, Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:12977 Activity:low |
4/1 I have heard it stated that our (the US's) system of Plurality/Majority elections discourage people from voting. Now, I can see the reasoning here (I hate both presidential canidates) but I was curious if this claim can be backed up with numbers. Possiably comparing places of similar culture and circumstance that use the diffrent types of voting. \_ I'd say that's probably a specious opinion that was stated without much evidence to support it. There's a lot of other, move provable reasons for the decline in voter interest in the US. Also rarely mentioned, but a factor in decreased voter registration over the past 30 years has been an increase in immigrant, non-citizen population relative to citizens. I'm not trying to race-bait here, and its not nearly the only factor, but its often ignored when people decry decreasing voter participation. \_ Interesting. Actually, that raises another question. Why do people think that immigration has anything to do with race? I've met immigrants of all manner of races, even... *gasp* white. \_ *I* don't think it has anything to do with race, of course. I was trying to head off the usual motd flame war. Not that it will help. \_ So you're saying the ratio of immigrant to citizen is too many? \_ I didn't say that. You're putting words in my mouth. I was just citing it as a partial reason for decreasing voter registration. In fact, if you take this into account, voter registration amongst _those eligible to register_ hasn't declined significantly since the 1970s. Of course, it declined markedly from, say, the 40s to the 70s in real terms. I have no problem with immigration. Its more of an argument for urging people to become citizens and participate in the process than anything else. \_ Countries with proportional-representation-based voting systems have higher voter turn-out than countries that use first past the post (like the US). More info: http://www.fairvote.org/turnout/index.html \_ People don't vote because they think their vote doesn't matter. It really is just that simple. |
2004/4/1-2 [Uncategorized] UID:12978 Activity:nil |
4/1 What were Cartman and his followers chanting in the new South Park? |
2004/4/1 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:12979 Activity:nil |
4/1 Today is the unofficial CSUA Twink Day. List your favorite twinks and tell us why you like/dislike them: achoi/choice: \_ nice guy, smart, and contributed to csua /bin cmlee: \_ posts clueless stuff kchang: \_ asian immigrant lila aaron psb! tom: ... \_ "you're dumb because you disagree with me" |
2004/4/1-2 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:12980 Activity:high |
4/1 Spammer gets seven years in prison: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040402/325/eq4ri.html \_ Should be shot. |
2004/4/1-2 [Uncategorized] UID:12981 Activity:high |
4/1 teen posts nude photos of herself, charged with child pornography and child abuse: http://www.postgazette.com/breaking/20040329pornp6.asp \_ classic example of a big government running amok |
2004/4/1 [Uncategorized] UID:29894 Activity:nil |
3/31 OK, I'm bored, so here goes: http://www.jengajam.com/r/Saddam-Hey-Ya |
2004/4/1 [Uncategorized] UID:29895 Activity:nil |
3/31 Interesting/sad - woman motorcycling through the ruins near chernobyl. http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/chapter1.html |
2004/4/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:29896 Activity:nil |
3/31 GWB: Invigorating America's Youth: http://www.overspun.com/video/AmericasYouth.rm |
2004/4/1 [Uncategorized] UID:29897 Activity:nil |
3/31 Whatever gets you off, I guess (work safe): http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040331/325/eq0k4.html |
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