Berkeley CSUA MOTD:2004:March:31 Wednesday <Tuesday, Thursday>
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
2004/3/31-4/1 [Transportation/Car, Transportation/Car/RoadHogs] UID:12940 Activity:kinda low
3/31    Our policy on cutting down dependency on foreign oil:
        \_ There are times when I wish Spike Bike were around.  -John
           \_ Spike Bike?
              \_ A cloud of brown dust stretched as far as the eye
                 could see along old route 126. From my vantage point
                 behind an old barn, I watched the grim parade. For
                 the third time in less than a minute, a huge gravel
                 truck rumbled past, spewing acrid, black smoke and
                 kicking up more of the brown mud-dust and spreading it
                 all over everything.

                 Including me.  I'm Spike Bike.  I hate cars.

                 Taking out a tractor-trailer rig isn't easy.  You
                 might be able to get a grenade into the cab, but if
                 it bounces back at you, you're finished. You can
                 sometimes shoot out all the tires on one side of the
                 tractor and the truck will jackknife, but it takes at
                 least half a mag, and half the time you won't get all
                 the tires. I had to face the fact that a MAC-10
                 submachinegun and a few grenades just weren't going
                 to do the job against these monstrosities.
                 \_ MORE!
                       \_ Thank you!
                 \_ Why not just shoot at the external gas tank?
                    \_ Diesel fuel plus you need lots more oxygen for a
                       useful response.
                       \_ Oh, diesel doesn't explode.  I see.  So all those
                          action movie scenes where trucks run off bridges and
                          hit the ground below and then explode are not real.
                          \_ I have some news that might come as a shock to you
                             about the tooth fairy, too.
2004/3/31-4/1 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:12941 Activity:moderate
3/31    Guess who used to believe in the Iraq/al-Qaida connection?
        From your favorite neo-marxist Christopher Hitchens
        \_ You know that some (but not all) of so called neo-con
           movement are formerly known as liberals.  One even
           likened the U.S. to the Soviet Union appreciatively.
                \_ I have no idea what you are trying to say.
        \_ uh, no news here... Hitchens used to be really liberal
           until 9/11
        \_ You don't believe Iraq was funding any terrorists?  How is that
           when it is public info announced to the world by Iraq under Saddam?
           \_ Funding which terrorists?  And don't say they're all the same;
              many of the groups have trouble _not_ bombing each other, let
              alone the infidels.  The point, in my mind, is that Iraq had
              nothing to do with the Al Qaeda attack on the WTC and nothing
              to do with Al Qaeda afterwards.  There was no justification
              there for invading Iraq.
           \_ "Terrorists" are not one big team.  This is not G I Joe.  And
                usually if you want to be taken seriously, you cite an article
                where you are getting this "public info."  The assertion that
                there were WMDs was also "public info" but that information,
                like yours, was not backed by any real facts.
              \_ You're nuts, dude.  He was giving bounty money to families
                 of suicide bombers.  What more do you want?  One of the
                 original cashed checks after it went through the Bank Of
                 \_ Thanks for the psych eval.  Bounty money to families of
                    suicide bombers != justification for invasion.  It was
                    bad, yes, and needed to be dealt with, yes, but not
                    necessarily through invasion.
                    \_ I hear this a lot, and would completely
                       agree if SOMEONE could just make a reasonable
                       alternate suggestion.
                       \_ Well, tell what your parameters are for "reasonable"
                          and I'll try to put one together for you. If your
                          definition of "reasonable" requires an instantaneous
                          solution, I doubt I'll be able to help you.
                       \_ Israel could just seize the money.  Duh.
                       \_ It is our moral duty to oppose immoral actions on
                          the part of our government.  It is the duty of
                          our government to propose moral solutions to
                          problems.  If the only solution the government can
                          come up with is an immoral solution, the govt. is
                          not trying hard enough.  Being unable to provide
                          an alternative solution does not justify an
                          unlawful solution.
                \_ Hamas is not America's problem. Since when did we invade
                   foreign powers at Israel's bidding? Do we invade Boston
                   next because some Irish give checks to the IRA?
                   \_ Isn't Israel the 51st state?
                      \_ s/Israel/Puerto Rico/
        \_ The fact that terrorists like the Jordanian caught with his
           passport when his car bomb did not go off, along with calls for
           holy warriors to converge on Iraq, should prompt 1) apologies from
           the left for their lack of vision 2) relief that terrorists are
           necessarily converging in smaller numbers here, given there
           are not an infinite number of terrorists.
           \_ Dude, I can't believe you just paraphrased the Emperor.
           \_ I got your apology right here, bitch.
           \_ While I certainly believe in the maxim "the best defense
              is a good offense" especially in warfare, there is another
              one which is even more appropriate "strategy is the art
              of multiplying your allies, while isolating your enemies."
              Bush's actions have succeeded in doing exactly the opposite.
2004/3/31-4/1 [Uncategorized] UID:12942 Activity:nil
3/30    Here boys, go get her:
        \_ url not read.  we're not your attack dogs.  and we certainly don't
           care what some random idiot has to say on some stupid blog.  the
           very concept of blogs is stupid thus anything on any of them is
           automatically moronic.  why are you wasting your time reading them
           or ours trying to get us to read them?
           \_ Some bored woman with a camera takes a couple of nudie shots
              and posts them in her blog.  It's amateur exhibitionism.
              \_ As opposed to pro league exhibitionism?
                 \_ Very much so.
        \_ Is it that hard to write Not Safe For Work?
           \_ sorry
2004/3/31-4/1 [Computer/HW/Drives] UID:12943 Activity:moderate
3/31    Grado SR60 or Sennheiser HD-497?
        \_ I have absolutely no complaints with my Sennheiser HD-590's. I love
            \_ Those are $250.  The others are $60.
               \_ Yeah, if you buy 'em from a place like Magnolia Hi-Fi. I got
                  mine online for $150.
                  \_ As nice as they may be, it's still twice what I'm looking
                     to spend.
        \_ I have the HD-495's, and they're really nice. Never heard
           the Grado's, but I know lots of people who can vouch for
           the Sennheisers.
        \_ I thought the GR80 were quite uncomfortable to wear for long
           periods of time (> 1 hr.).
        \_ The sound on the 570's is OK, they're reasonably priced, and very
           comfortable (for me, a guy w/ sensitive cartilige) for long periods
           of time.
2004/3/31-4/1 [Politics] UID:12944 Activity:moderate
3/31    The O'Franken Factor
        \_ Wow, he's making fun of Michael Moore.
        \_ Anyone hear Harry Shearer's "Le Show"?
        \_ wow, this is really un-funny
           \_ The hell you say?
           \_ He's good enough, he's smart enough, and doggone it, people
              like him.
2004/3/31-4/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:12945 Activity:nil
3/32    Where can I find the Bush humor slides about WMD?
2004/3/31-4/1 [Computer/SW/Database] UID:12946 Activity:low
3/31    What's the difference between KEY, PRIMARY KEY, UNIQUE, and INDEX?
        \_ 3, b, 6, 5
        \_ use SQL_book; import knowledge; do(homework);
        \_ I think PRIMARY KEY means both UNIQUE ande INDEX. INDEX does
           fast indexing with fast lookup but slow insert. I actually
           don't know the difference between KEY and PRIMARY KEY
        \_ PRIMARY KEY cannot be null but KEY and UNIQUE KEY can contain NULL
2004/3/31-4/1 [Computer/HW/CPU, Computer/HW] UID:12947 Activity:low 66%like:10782
3/31    Will a mini-ATX board fit in an ATX case?
        \_ I want to say yes, but I'm not sure.  If your google-foo is strong
           the specs for both standards are available online.  You can just
           open them side-by-side and compare.
                \_ Yes, my computer is set up this way. Not all the mounting
                   screws always line up perfectly though, so when installing
                   cards make sure the motherboard has some back support or you
                   flex it in less than ideal ways.
        \_ Yes. Also, I think Mini-ITX boards also fit in ATX cases.
           I'm running a Micro-ATX (cause it has 3 expansion slots)
           case    Antec KS280B Black ATX
           mobo    VIA C3M266-L Mini-ATX
           cpu     VIA C3 866Mhz ezra (i586tsc)
           cpu     VIA C3 866Mhz ezra
        \_ "Yes, but".  If its for anything you care about get the right case.
2004/3/31-4/1 [Recreation/Humor] UID:12948 Activity:nil
3/31    In Soviet Russia, noun verbs YOU!
        \_ why do some of you bring slashdot 'humor' to the motd?  it isn't
           funny there, it's even less funny here.
2004/3/31-4/1 [Uncategorized] UID:12949 Activity:high
3/31    I hear a lot about Tom Robbins, but I haven't read any of his
        books. What is a good book of his to read first?
        \_ Even Cowgirls Get The Blues.
           \_ I agree.
        \_ Jitterbug Perfume hooked me.  ECGTB left me lukewarm.
        \_ Schmaltz
        \_ Tried to read Cowgirls and Woodpecker and just couldn't do it. Then
           somebody lent me Skinny Legs and All which is one of the best books
           I've read by any author, though it still suffers from TR's fondness
           for lists. -- ulysses
2004/3/31-4/3 [Industry/Jobs] UID:12950 Activity:nil
3/31    Interested in working at a start-up company in SF as a Field
        Application Engineer or a Windows Application Software Engineer?
        Check /csua/pub/jobs/Mediabolic         -toshi
        \_ Out of curiosity, who makes more money?
           \_ The FAE will make much more than the $15k the Indian
              subcontractor will want for the software engineering job.
2004/3/31 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:12951 Activity:nil
3/31    So "strategy" = follow the herd?  Following the herd
        would definitely multiply our allies.  That's asinine,
        I admit.  Let's then say that Bush 1) Lobbied Congress to
        put three electric fences along our northern and southern
        borders. 2) Stop letting unmarried males of age 18-35
        of Muslim heritage into this country. 3) Had the police
        deport every illegal alien caught. Would he or would he
        not have been branded as racist and divisive? The
        murderers won't be happy until: 1) We abandon Israel
        2) You are praying to Mecca 5x a day 3) The women are
        wearing burqas.
        \_ why would praying to Mecca be so bad?  Aren't you essentially
           praying to Israel?
           \_ Christians and Jews back Israel because according to the
              Word of God, God's time for Israel's punishment was up;
              the Jews returned on schedule
              To want the destruction of Israel is to be against God's
              people and God.  To love God's people and help them is to
              love God's plan.  It definitely grieve's God's heart
              to watch us kill His enemies without them accepting Jesus
              Christ.  I don't remember our support of Israel being openly
              questioned until the last two years, and the next step for
              the US for an incoming Democratic administration is
              abandoning God's people Israel, and that will end
              what remains of His blessing on this country.
              \_ people have questioned our support of israel for decades --
                 it's just because Israel has stepped up its "actions against
                 terrorism" that there are more people speaking up louder
        \_ I think Bush mishandled the diplomacy but I don't think you can
           realistically say we lost allies or increased enemies. We are
           still allied with all the same old allies, and have all the same
           old enemies. Where's the difference? There was just more bickering
           in NATO.
           \_ If you have chance, go outside of USA.  Anti-USA sentiment is
              at all time high, mostly due to our policy toward Iraq.
              \_ I doubt it (the mostly due to Iraq part). Where does this
                 matter? Not in Europe. China? They'd whip up people against
                 USA no matter what, because this furthers the autocratic
                 interests (but they also like US money). The Russians are
                 getting blown up themselves, I'm doubt in a few years that
                 Iraq alone will have been enough to make people hate the USA.
                 In the end, Saddam was such that defending him is laughable.
                 The problem for us is the huge costs we're incurring, which
                 IMO wasn't justified, and the credibility disaster of how
                 Bush chose to present and conduct the operation, which was
                 the only way they could win domestic support for it.
                 \_ The error in your thinking is that not seeing a reason
                    to attack Saddam is not the same as "defending him."
                    The error is so large that it clouds your entire
                    \_ There were plenty of reasons to attack him and
                       everyone knows it. Ignoring that clouds YOUR
                       \_ Why did almost everyone counsel against it then?
                          No valid reasons were given to the international
                          community. The only halfway decent one was
                          given ex post facto, which doesn't cut it.
                          \_ Saddam and his history was "enough" to attack him.
                             Anyway my point is that although it may have been
                             inadvisable, and people quibble with the means,
                             no one argues against the end, and it's not
                             changing who are our allies/enemies.
                             \_ That is your opinion and I disagree with it.
                                Read some opinion polls about how the world
                                regards America today compared with 2000.
                                \_ if you disagree show me an example. you're
                                   the one asserting that there's a difference.
                                   opinion polls are worthless, but i haven't
                                   seen one showing any substantive change.
                                      Hope you have an Economist subscription
                                      Here is one that is free.
        \_ The world is not black and white, the way you seem to think
           that it is. Bush's father was able to assemble a coalition
           using diplomacy and kind words. Dubya drove everyone off with
           his strong words and bluster.
           \_ hey, you can't have everything all the time
           \_ Isn't it black and white to assume 1991=2001?
              \_ he didn't make that assumption.  -tom
                \_ You are right tom.  He didn't necessarily make such an
                   assumption.  But was Bush necessarily wrong to call 9/11
                   an evil act?  Perhaps it was hypocritical of us to call
                   Iraq/Afghanistan evil and invade them, and not give China
                   Korea, and Saudi Arabia the same treatment.  But was it
                   so off base as to be an outright lie?
                   \_ The mistake was lumping Iraq/Afghanistan together
                      like that. The whole world outside of a here could
                      see that they were very different cases. A true
                      friend and ally tells you when you are about to
                      make a big mistake, like Germany did.
2004/3/31-4/2 [Academia/Berkeley] UID:12952 Activity:nil
3/31    Int'l programming contest results up:
        Berkeley did not qualify, having lost to four Canadian teams,
        Nevada-Reno, and Eastern Washington University. Woo hoo! Go Bears!
        \_ and all without AA to blame this time.
        \_ that's what we get for diluting our talent into into 2 teams
           \_ Yeah, like the University of British Columbia did. Then all
              three of their teams crushed all of ours.
              \_ UBC rules! Go Canada!
                 \_ At least we lost to other Americans and not foreigners.
2004/3/31-4/2 [Computer/Theory] UID:12953 Activity:high
3/31    CSUA math majors, I need to take Math 104 next semester. Since there
        are several sections, I want to pick the one taught by someone who's
        a decent lecturer and a fair grader. I can take it  with either of
        these profs: Mints, Yong, Sarason, Silver. Any good or bad experiences
        with these?
                \_ I've taken stuff with Sarason and Silver years ago.
                   Frankly, Silver is horrible. Brilliant, nice guy but
                   is really introverted to an extreme degree. He's really
                   hard to communicate with. Sarason is a "no frills"
                   guy - tough, but a straight shooter. Perhaps one of the
                   best analysis teachers Berkeley has. He is also
                   a solid graudate analysis instructor as well. I have
                   no experience w/Young or Mints. -fab
        \_ I had a very good experience with Sarason for 104.  If I remember
        \_ I had a very good experience with Saruman for 104.  If I remember
           correctly, Silver is the old guy with the alarming permanent sore
           on his head who refuses to look at the class.  His lectures
           are worthless.  Avoid.
           are worthless.  Avoid.
        \_ I took H104 with Saruman many many years ago.  He was good then.
        \_ I took H104 with Sarason many many years ago.  He was good then.
        \_ So... You have chosen... the way of pain!
           \_ 104 entails a little bit of real work, but if you find it
              demanding, you shoiuld probably change field.
        \_ Silver.  Real analysis is a lot of work, don't take a lot of other
           hard classes next semester, but I am sure you know all this already.
             -- ilyas
           \_ 104 entails a little bit of real work, but if you find it
              demanding, you shoiuld probably change field.
              demanding, you should probably change field.
        \_ Hahahahahaha!
        \_ Are you sure you have to take 104?  Do you want to take 104?  Is it
           a prereq for something else?  Or do you just need any upper division
           \_ It's a prereq for complex analysis, probability theory, measure
                                \- strange as this may seem, i am not sure
                                   you really need 104 for 185. 185 and 110
                                   are the only ud math classes i can think
                                   of where you actually solve problems rather
                                   than just doing pfs [like do some integrals]
                                   i note in passing, some of the comments
                                   on AMAZONG for Baby Rudin are pretty funny.
                                   (in a math gnurd sort of way, not like
                                   story of ping). btw, is berkeley still
                                   using Rudin or has C. Pugh's book replaced
                                   it? if your brain is not extremely large,
                                   the bartle analysis book might be a good
                                   crutch. do not get the horrible Dover book
                                   even if it is still $7. --psb
                                   \_ What does "needed" mean in math?  All you
                                      really "need" is enough 'math maturity'
                                      to understand the proofs and do problems.
                                      185 "needs" 104 because a lot of 185
                                      proofs assume things you proved in 104,
                                      much like an operating system assumes
                                      some things ee people do.  On the
                                      practical side, the kinds of problems and
                                      proofs one does in 104 come up in 185.
                                      185 is an easier class.  One wonders if
           a prereq for something else?  Or do you just need any upper division
           \_ It's a prereq for complex analysis, probability theory, measure
                                      that's because it always comes after 104.
                                   \_ Some of 110 sections this semester are
                                      using Sheldon Axler's liner algebra
                                      texbook which is mostly concept oriented
                                      rather than computational in nature. So
                                      far I enjoy learning from it.
              theory, point set topology, and pretty much any other 'continuous
              math' class you might want to take. -- ilyas
           \_ I need and want to take it. I am aspiring to math minor. Also,
              I am hoping to take advanced probability course later.
              \_ Only three more classes for a major! -- ilyas
                \_ And you can have classes overlap between majors, so there
                   really is no good reason not to get a major. --darin
                   btw-104 isn't as hard as is rumored, but IS at least as
                   important as is rumored.
                   \_ I never took 104 but lots of geeky friends did.  It
           \_ I need and want to take it. I am aspiring to math minor. Also,
              I am hoping to take advanced probability course later.
              \_ Only three more classes for a major! -- ilyas
                   really is no good reason not to get a major. --darin
                   btw-104 isn't as hard as is rumored, but IS at least as
                   important as is rumored.
                   \_ I never took 104 but lots of geeky friends did.  It
                      seemed to me that the difficulty level comes from the
                      prof teaching that semester, not the material.
                      seemed to me that the difficulty level comes from the
                      prof teaching that semester, not the material.
                      \- helo. i thought (h)113 was a *lot* harder than (h)104.
                         material in 104 was tought but exams were pretty
                         easy. is this going to be your first class with
                         10hr problem sets? oh if you want to do probability
                         might take 105 too. measure theory is quite exciting.
                         \_ Ditto, algebra was much harder than analysis for
                            me. -- ilyas
                            \_ That's because you two are both insane.
2004/3/31-4/1 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:12954 Activity:moderate
3/31    I want a second line for fax but alas my studio apt. does not
        seem to have the inside wall wiring.  Is there a way to get virtual
        fax or fax mailbox, where I can download incoming fax to my computer?
        \_ ok I googled and found some service, but would appreciate comments
           from users of these kind of service.
           \_ support your fellow Cal alumni's company:
              \_ funny I was trying to sign up with it without knowing its
                 cal connection, but alas it has run out of # in 650 area code.
                 Any other suggestion?  Or they are willing to give an alumni
                 a reserve number?
                 \_ Bummer, I just ordered more #s, they will come in
                    couple of days...too many orders these days.  Can you
                    wait a couple of days or just get a different area
                    \_ Is it really just a couple (like 2) of days? Or can
                       I change to a 650 # later.
           \_ they charge $.10 per outgoing fax. Anyone know of a service that
              charges something like $25/mo that will let me send ~3000 fax/mo.
              the local chamber of commerce asked me if i knew of any solution.
              or... i can have them buy something like Symantec WinFax. any
2004/3/31-4/1 [Academia/GradSchool] UID:12955 Activity:moderate
3/31    How long are grade records kept in Sproul?  If I apply to grad school
        20 years after I gradulate, will I still be able to get a Cal
        transcript?  Thanks.
        \_ email
        \_ Kept forever. I've seen grades from people back in the 1800's
           on microfiche.
           \_ What kind of classes did they have back then?
                \_ Only psb knows.
                   \_ I beg to differ. --john sculley
              \_ Negro Studies
              \_ "Sodomy and Buggery in Modern Literature"
2004/3/31-4/1 [Academia/Berkeley, Academia/StanfUrd] UID:12956 Activity:moderate
        So let me get this straight: The current drop deadline is WHEN?
        8th week? After generations of getting to make fun of Stanford
        students for getting to drop classes super late, now it turns out
        Berkeley has whiny students about the same thing? Undergrads are
        getting soft. 5th week is plenty long.
        \_ The Dean of Undergraduate Division is named Robert Holub???
           clearly there's some conspiracy here...
        \_ Well, grades have long been inflated, so why not later drop deadline
           too?  Pretty soon every Cal grad has 3+ GPAs.
           \_ First time I've ever heard of grade inflation at Cal. When
              did this start? I remember 50% of the Physics 7ABC students
              getting C+ because that's how the department wanted the
              curve to be.
        \_ Stanford can drop up until 2 weeks before the end of classes;
           far later than Cal.
           \_ That's not true. It's 4 weeks, not 8. You can WITHDRAW later,
              but it appears on your transcript; it's not a drop.
              \_ but it doesn't count against your GPA.
              \_ Real men have multiple Ws on their transcripts.
        \_ UCD drop deadline: 10 days.
           \_ also note, UCD is on quarter system
              \_ == 3 weeks on semester system. Again, 5 weeks on semester
                 system is plenty long.
                 \_ I agree -- I came from a quarter system -- but I thought
                    it should be pointed out.
        \_ Who deleted my post about the insanity of the week 5 drop deadline?
           It's a nutty date.  I'll be brief this time since I don't feel
           like digging it out of the archives: when midterms often don't
           even start until week 6, it is completely useless and ridiculous
           to make week 5 the drop deadline.
           \_ Allowing students to drop classes has nothing to do with
              letting them get out of a class because they're not
              doing well.
2004/3/31-4/1 [Computer/HW/Laptop] UID:12957 Activity:moderate
3/31    FYI, for those with the 60GB Hitachi 7200rpm 2.5" mobile hard drive,
        there are issues with this in the ThinkPad R50 and T41.  From the
        URL it also looks like these ThinkPad models are built by LG in Korea.
        \_ Return of the Deathstar?
           \_ The URL suggests that it is a ThinkPad issue.  Don't apply the
              firmware if you don't have the above models or bad things may
2004/3/31-4/1 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:12958 Activity:nil
3/31    Is it common for unix pid's to flip once they get to 99999? I just
        noticed my PIDs are really low numbers.
        \_ They roll over on most systems at 32767 or 65535 actually.
        \_ > ps -a | sort -nr | head -5
           99611  Df  Is+    0:00.99 -doosh (tcsh)
           98658  CJ  Is     0:00.52 tcsh
           98072  Db  Is+    0:00.05 -tcsh (tcsh)
           97380  Di  I+     0:05.47 /usr/local/bin/perl /home/digital/mehlhaff/bin/motdwa
           97326  Di  IWs    0:00.00 /bin/sh
2004/3/31-4/1 [Computer/Companies/Google] UID:12959 Activity:nil
3/31    Google to offer free email with a gigabyte(!!!) quota
        \_ They're trying to become another yahoo?  That seems a little
           dangerous.  Though, approaching the portal market from the
           basis of a good search engine may work quite well..  hmm...
        \_ Seems like a great way to trade warez...
           \_ huh?
        \_ It's step toward allowing for personalized searches.
        \_ ah, another mad rush for usernames.
        \_ they may analyze your email.
           \_ "Smithers ... do you think the radiation from my plant killed
              those ducks?"
              "There is ... no maybe about it, sir."
           \_ Eeeeeevil Republican corporations making money again!!
                How dare they!!
              \_ Except I think Google is pretty liberal and Democrat, as
                 corporations go.  Don't they offer domestic partner benefits?
           \_,00030015.htm -John
        \_ They conquered searching, now on to doing something else right.
2004/3/31-4/1 [Uncategorized] UID:12960 Activity:nil
3/31    In Soviet Russia, motd censors YOU!
2004/3/31-4/1 [Science, Politics] UID:12961 Activity:nil
3/31    Is the difference between Prism 2.5 and 2 just the power of the
        transmitter?  So is 2.5 a power hog?
2004/3/31-4/1 [Computer/Networking] UID:12962 Activity:nil
3/31    Is there a mode for wireless lan device to passively listen to signals?
        \_ Should just be promiscuous mode.  Also depends on what's actually
           doing the listening, and whether it's entirely passive.  Have
           a look at Wellenreiter:  -John
2004/3/31-4/1 [Health/Disease/General] UID:12963 Activity:nil
        Is this for real, or possibly an early April Fools joke?
        \_ what about it looks like an April Fools joke?
           \_ That some brilliant researcher is smart enough to do his
              own scam and get $600,000, yet is stupid enough to fall
              for the Nigerian scam.  It's so ironic, it's hard to believe.
2004/3/31-4/1 [Politics/Domestic/California] UID:29890 Activity:very high
3/31    After his represensible treatment of Dr. Wen Ho Lee, I can't
        fathom why Bill Richardson is being considered for VP. Is
        it really that expedient for Dems to trade Asian American
        votes/donations for Latino votes?(On second thought, don't
        answer that question.) - elizp
        \_ Mmmm, tasty troll.  Carefully phrased, good finish.  Could use
           something slightly more inflammatory though.  B+
           \_ Why is it a trool?  - not elizp
              \_ The not so subtle pitting of one race against another?
                 Always a winner in motd land.
                 \_ This kind of trade off does actually enter political
                    equation more often than the motd.  You know that,
                    don't you?  Or maybe you are a troll?
                    \_ Oh blah fucking blah.  You and everyone else knows
                       the motd is just for inciting stupid arguments.
        \_ Wasn't Wen Ho Lee mistreated by the Federal goverment? What
           does the governor of New Mexico have to do with that?
           \_ He was the head of the DOE, which ran the lab and did everything
              in its power and beyond to make Lee's life miserable and so on.
              \_ I see. Well, there are far more latinos than asians,
                 as I am sure you are aware.
                 \_ what does this have to do the the above entry?
                    \_ Can you speak English?
        \_ I'm of the same ethnic background as Dr. Lee and did follow the
           story, and even I have trouble making the link to Bill Richardson.
           In fact I remember the blame falling on one of the chief
           investigators, on whom there were many media reports.
           investigators, a Mr. Trulock, on whom there were many media reports.
2004/3/31-4/1 [Recreation/Computer, Reference/Religion] UID:29891 Activity:high
3/31    Some of you happy fun people need this shirt:
        \_ anti-semite
           \_ dumbass, the site was featured on FJBJ
              \_ FJBJ?!  For Jews By Jews?!
                 \_ Insert your humor chip. It's a play on FUBU.
                    \_ how does FJBJ map to FUBU? you do know what FUBU
                       stands for, don't you?
           \_ Hey, as long as we're just throwing stupid insults around, can
              I call you a humorless tard?
              \_ why is anti-semite an insult?
                 \_ This is exquisitely bad.
                    \_ thanks! we aim to please.
2004/3/31-4/1 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:29892 Activity:nil
3/31    Bush Judicial Nominee:  Driving birds near to extinction is good
        because it makes birdwatching more exciting.   (
2004/3/31-4/1 [Uncategorized] UID:29893 Activity:very high
3/31    Remember James Yee, the U.S. Army Muslim chaplain who supposedly
        took secret documents from the detention center?
        \_ Why does this Palm Beach Post post something that's been a month
           \_ The charges were dropped two weekends ago (on a Friday.. big
              surprise).  He had been imprisoned for 200 days as a showpiece.
              \_ Oh, I thought those charged were dropped the same time
                 they decided to charge him with adultery and porn.
                 \_ Yes.  Actually, I'm not sure when the charges were dropped,
                    but the press release was on 20 March.
                 \_ They found porn on his work computer!
           \_ perhaps because his appeal was filed this week, along with
              their censure of the government case?  Here's a news piece:
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