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| 2004/3/22 [Uncategorized] UID:12792 Activity:high |
3/22 We need a motd awareness infosession. Posts have been bland lately.
\_ shut the fuck up. the reason why it's bland is because people
like you keep censoring it. |
| 2004/3/22 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:12793 Activity:high |
3/22 Walter Cronkite schools Kerry.
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29003%257E2026871,00.html
\_ Man, I'm conservitive, but I've still always wondered about
this.
\_ Those of us who watched Dukakis self-destruct have been
worried about this for some time. If only the Dems would
send John to apprentice under Bill for a while.... |
| 2004/3/22-23 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:12794 Activity:high |
3/22 Blow me, MOTD censor dickwit. I posted a perefctly "legit" link,
not that it's your job to judge. As I said, cool shit:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3556099.stm -John
\_ Blind, paralyzed 67 year old man, confined to a wheelchair,
assassinated by missles fired from a helicopter. Reason:
he was a threat to Israel's security.
\_ Why didn't Israel just arrest him?
\_ They were trolling the motd.
\_ Oooh, good troll. No bites, though, troll harder!
\_ then why you kept erasing my post?
\_ John, killing him is not going to solve the problem. Elimate
Hamas is not going to resolve the problem. You do need to carry
out genocide on Palestinian people, reduce their population to
insignificant number (similiar to the native American in USA) to
solve that problem... if you want to solve th problem using
violence.
\_ "The problem" is intractable. There is no solution that doesn't
involve the destruction of Israel or moving a few million Arabs
from Gaza and the WB into other Arab countries that don't want
the black sheep of Islam.
\_ Why stop at Gaza and the WB? Why is that going to be enough?
There will be no peace for Israel until every living Arab
is exterminated.
\_ No cookie. Sorry. Maybe you'll catch me in a foul mood
some other time and I'll feed you then. I just had a 3
hour lunch so you're not getting fed today.
\_ Wow, for a bunch peace loving people who just want equal rights
the Palestinians sure were broken up about the death of that
mass murderer...
\_ He incited violence. He didn't murder anyone. While inciting
violence is a crime. It's nothing near being a capital offence.
The fact that Israel is assassinating people for their political
ranting shows that neither side has any moral legitimacy in this
conflict.
\_ so did Hitler, he just ordered people killed
\_ That's all fine and dandy in your highly controlled and very
law and order western society. This is a war, not a civil
disobedience issue. Do you think we should send the FBI to
arrest bin Laden, too? Some people are beyond the law
especially in places where there is no law. He was the law.
\_ They did arrest him and put him in prison for 8 years.
Then they let him go for some reason. Why did they
release him if he's so dangerous?
\_ Because Israel is still a law abiding western society
and the current 'war' hadn't started yet. It was a time
of relative quiet and the palestinians hadn't stuck the
knife in yet.
\_ Hamas is a social organization that brings food to the poor,
educates children, provides jobs to the jobless and brings hope
to the hopeless in a war torn area in a fight the people didn't
ask for. The man is a martyr and a victim. How can you not see
the good that Hamas does for the people? The poor guy was in a
wheel chair? How could he be responsible for anyone's death?
This was an unjustified, cowardly act, very unlikely to achieve
peace in the area and very very bad news for the Middle East
peace process. The only way to stop the violence is for the
Israelis to stop killing Palestinian children, women, and old
crippled men with their American build missiles and leave *all*
of the Palestinian territories. We must go back to the pre-1947
lines. Violence only begets violence, so the next time a bunch
of Israeli teens get killed at a pizza parlor, disco, or a
university cafeteria by a Palestinian martyr, they should know
they've brought this upon themselves. For every Palestinian
victim of Israeli aggression and illegal occupation there should
be a thousand Israeli children killed on buses, in school and out
on the town. Once the Jews are driven into the sea, there shall
finally be peace in the Middle East and then we can look to
bringing the same peace to Europe, starting with France and
Spain.
\_ Yassin has stated in several interviews that he supports
suicide attacks on Israeli civilians. Here's one with
Die Welt:
http://tinyurl.com/24t5m and one with the BBC:
http://tinyurl.com/2by97 -John
\_ It's kinda disturbing when the greatest dreams
parents can think of for their children is to
become human bombs.
\_ Golda Meir, "we will have peace when palestinian
mothers love their children more than they hate Jews."
\_ thanks for illustrating what the attitude problem is.
You are blind. One does not need to build a bomb with
his own hands to be responsible for leading others to do
the actual work. You say 'violence begets violence', but
yet you do not equally condemn the Palestinians for killing.
Almost every cease fire, or peace accord, is broken by yet
another suicide bomber, who believes there should be no
negotiation, just unilateral withdrawl. For every one, you
claim blood of a thousand. Where is the equality in that?
With that statement, you imply a belief in the superiority
of one group over another. You'd fit well alongside the
Nazis. I'm all for a separate Palestinian state, and I
dislike a lot of Israel's actions and responses, but I
can't say the Palestinians aren't part of the problem
either.
\_ I call Godwin's Law on you.
\_ Pay attention to the next cease fire. It will probably
be broken by an Isreali attack, just like the last one
was. Sharon is no more interested in peace than Hamas is.
\_ No, pay attention to the past. Once you see who
started the last few years worth of terrorism and
upped the ante with suicide bombers you'll start to
understand why the Israelis do what they do. If you
were allowed to settle the issue, what would you do?
Tell Israel to go back to pre-67 borders? Close all
the check points and give free and open access to the
entire country to every Palestinian?
\_ On the other hand, Israel has been continously
creating new settlements settling Joos from
all over the world coming back to Israel on
Palestinian land.
\_ I disagree with the current settlement policy,
however that is not the root cause of the arabs
sending their own children into civilian crowds
wearing bombs.
\_ I'm pretty sure that was satire man.
\_ Yeah. He had me going up until that disco line.
\_ disco? that was the tip off? so you're unaware
of how many Israeli teens were killed in the last
2-3 years in Israeli discos? sigh...like pearls....
\_ No, silly boy, the tip off was the part where
the author said that Israeli teens getting
blown up in discos should realize that they'd
brought it upon themselves. Of course, you'd
rather curse the darkness than light a candle,
I understand why you jumped to that conclusion.
\_ Problem is, there are people who honestly think this
\_ there was a time when Muslim world are the heaven for Jews who
are escaping prosecution from Christian church. I wonder how
many people remember that.
\_ was that before or after mass conversions to Islam by the sword?
\_ after _and_ before. after the North African conversion by
the sword and before the fanatics came to power in Iberia.
\_ so the ones who didn't get killed or forced to convert
found Islam a haven of open mindedness? cool.
\_ willful child. they mostly emigrated to Islamic
kingdoms after the mass conversions and before the
rise of the fanatics. many of them immigrated when the
latter came to power.
\_ When was this period "before the rise of fanatics"?
The whole religion started on day one that way.
\_ Nice and glib, but you're completely ignoring the
Islamic Renaissance of the late first Milennium.
Go visit a place called a "library" and read some
interesting things called "books" before posting
anything else.
\_ Islamic Renaissance? hahaha. they are still
living in the dark ages twink
\_ Are you trying to look stupid?
\_ No, he's accurate and the truth hurts.
The IR is a period of time they were
advancing faster than Europe in terms of
technology and math but they were still
religious fanatics, primitives, and
incredibly barbaric by our western
standards today. They never left the
middle ages. They still whine about
500+ year 'transgressions' by countries
and people that don't even exist anymore.
\_ 500+ years? That's nothing. Jews
claim right to a land they left
2000 years ago.
\_ I am not sure that "open mindedness" is the right
word, but Jews were treated better in the Ottoman
Empire than in Christian Europe.
\_ The word you are looking for is 'expediency.'
The Ottomans knew that tolerance was the only way
to run a multi-ethnic, multi-religious, multi-
cultural state (which included that haven of
tranquility, the Balkans). -- ilyas
\_ Is it bad to be tolerant for the sake of
expediency? Is Putin's being tough a stance
of principle?
\_ I wasn't making a value judgement. Also,
you can't argue with results. -- ilyas
\_ how does the ottomans compare
with the russians on their treatment
of jews historically?
\_ The jews were always persecuted in
Russia (Czarist and Communist).
The word 'pogrom' is a Russian word.
Email me for a longer account if you
are interested. -- ilyas
\_ they did try to genocide the christian
armenians though.
\_ Your point is valid, but your use of the word
is not. s/genocide/commit genocide against/
\_ I realize that, but I think we should
allow it to be used as a verb or invent
a verb version. maybe genocize.
ethnically cleanse is awkward,
exterminate is possible but not specific
enough. "commit genocide against" is
too long, and I am lazy.
\_ You want a verb form of a word made up
to evoke moral outrage and loathing
because the alternatives are too long
and you are lazy? This truly is the
end of the Roman Empire.
\_ what's the big deal? this happens
all the time. eg. "google" is
now used as a verb.
\_ The big deal is that google is not
synonymous with death and misery.
Genocide is.
\_ I don't see the relevancy
of "death and misery" to
the argument. |
| 2004/3/22-23 [Uncategorized] UID:12795 Activity:nil |
3/22 A while back someone posted the URL where Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani
answered a bunch of questions about Shariah. Does anyone still have
the URL?
\_ motd archives? |
| 2004/3/22-23 [Computer/Rants] UID:12796 Activity:nil |
3/22 Can someone give me tips on getting in touch with people working at
local (small-ish) telcos in South/SE/East Asian and Pacific countries?
Is there some equivalent of NANOG for S. Korea/China/India/
\- yes, BOWMOH [bastard operators with
mandate of heaven]
Philippines/etc? Some colleagues in Europe are looking to talk to
people running regional phone service providers in that general
area about new business ventures. -John
\_ I've got some contacts. If interested drop me an email.
-williamc |
| 2004/3/22-23 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers] UID:12797 Activity:moderate |
3/22 Are there any advantages to Netscape over Mozilla -firefox user
\_ none.
\_ netscape has integrated AIM, if you like that kind of thing.
\_ like I said: none.
\_ If you have to ask...
\_ Netscape is a discontinued product. -williamc
\_ since when? netscape 7.1 makes reference to 10.2.x on their
homepage.
\_ since the netscape browser division was closed down
by aol, dude.
\_ Netscape 7.1 is based on Mozilla 1.5 and it was the
-last- Netscape web browser. Since then, AOL has fired all
of Netscape developers (but provided some funding for
mozilla project). There will be no more Netscape web browser
releases in future. Please don't mention that name here
again. Netscape is dead. It has been for a long time.
\_ Long live Mosaic!!!
\_ "Last week, an AOL spokeswoman said there will be future
versions of Netscape that are essentially repackaged upgrades
of Mozilla." ...that doesn't sound any deader than when they
started... they're just not putting as much money into it.
\_ Merc article today about browser alternatives to IE. Langberg pimps
Opera over Mozilla:
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/8246846.htm |
| 2004/3/22-23 [Uncategorized] UID:12798 Activity:high |
3/22 RIP: Brian Maxwell, PowerBar founder, Berkeley alum (1975)
\_ and donator of cash for the Maxwell Family Field (formerly
Kleeberger) -tom
\_ That's just too strange. This guy ran marathons and he died at
51?! Thank your parents for your genes.
\_ statistics don't apply well to individuals. for example,
suffering heart complications from a viral infection doesn't
mean you were living an unhealthy lifestyle or belonging
to a high risk group (at least not a well understood
high risk group...)
\_ Maybe he ate too many PowerBars?
\_ A couple of years ago (maybe the year he sold PowerBar to
Nestle), he was the largest private donor to Cal. I think
he gave $5M.
\_ ohhh. so that's whata Maxwell Family field is?
I was trying to figure it out from the
descriptions in the news.
Nestle), he was the largest single private donor to Cal.
I think he gave $5M. |
| 2004/3/22-23 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:12799 Activity:kinda low |
3/22 The French Connection Kenneth Timmerman reports on
deep and tight Chirac-Saddam ties.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103221/posts
\_ Jew
\_ How about the deep Bush/Laden ties?
\_ And how about _our_ continued involvement with Hussein
after the "300,000 of his own people" shit? |
| 2004/3/22-23 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:12800 Activity:nil |
3/22 Why didn't the Iraqis destroy all the bridges when the
war started?
\_ they didn't have any explosives
\_ what about the explosives tied around their waist?
\_ they did. They even put explosives on some of the
bridges already.
\_ they need to use the bridges themselves until it's going
to fall to their enemy, but US is often too fast for
them.
\_ I think they wanted to get U.S. troops on the bridges
before they blow it up. But they should have done it
earlier. |
| 2004/3/22-23 [Politics/Domestic/911, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:12801 Activity:kinda low |
3/22 All posts critical of the President will be deleted immediately.
Criticism of our Commander In Chief or the Republican party
during wartime will no longer be tolerated. -DHS
\_ so when will the war be over, so that we can resume criticizing
our CinC?
\_ Chimp in Charge?
\_ W00t!!!
\_ The struggle to preserve freedom will NEVER end!
\_ War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery!
\_ lefty troll.
\_ You're right. It's not that criticisms of Bush won't be
tolerated. It's just that you will be deemed anti-American,
an America hater, pro-terrorist, or a commie.
\_ Come on, is there an insult more anachronistic than "commie?"
You can't even use it ironically, its so tired. The RPG
Paranoia made a joke out of it in 1985. That was almost 20
_years_ ago.
\_ Why is it a troll? Everytime I put up a post critical of Bush
or any Republican policies, it is immediately deleted. I
am just stating the facts.
\_ facts fuck my ass..
\_ facts my ass.. |
| 2004/3/22-23 [Computer/Networking] UID:12802 Activity:nil |
3/22 Is there a host on the net that has every port CLOSED? I want to
portscan it to find out which ports my network provider is filtering.
\_ no. that would be a retarded waste of a machine.
\_ Or it would be a secure client.
\_ No, just a interesting use for 1 IP address.
\_ you can add a hostbased firewall rule that sends a RST
to any connection from some given ip. --psb |
| 2004/3/22 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:12803 Activity:nil |
3/22 Gay marraige, is it inevitable?
http://newyorker.com/talk/content/?040315ta_talk_hertzberg
\_ isn't this were the X-men start popping up? |
| 2004/3/22-24 [Consumer/Audio] UID:12804 Activity:low |
3/22 ipod or the clones? that is the question? i am looking to get one, the
ipod 15gb is $299. What clones of comparable price and feature? thx.
\_ If you look at everyting as "bang-per-buck", then you'd be
buying Hyundais and living in a ranch in Montana. The question
you have to ask is "Do I like the way it feels and operates?
Do I like the user interface?". If you're not going to use
all 40GB, then disk space isn't the issue.
\_ This is a fucking mp3 player, not a fucking house. The iPod
is an overpriced piece of shit. If you're not into gimmicky
crap and just want a functional mp3 player with enough
storage at a reasonable price get something like a Nomad Zen
and save yourself 200 bux and get a couple more hours of
battery life.
\_ Most people who buy mp3 players opt for an iPod and
most iPod owners are pretty happy with their players.
I'm sure you can make the argument about how fucking
stupid all those people are but I'm sure most of those
people who do get iPods don't really give a rats ass
what you think. I used to have an iPod myself until I
realized that I'm not much of a music buff but if I
ever had to do it again, an iPod would be it. 200 bux?
The cheapest iPod is $250 and I wouldn't spend my
money on a crappy $50 player.
\_ News flash: Apple is a FUCKING HARDWARE COMPANY.
\_ All hail Steve!
\_ See above Re: Evans Bathroom.
\_ I like the iRiver iHP-120 (20 GB for ~$300, only a bit bigger than
an iPod, good battery life, no desktop software necessary, voice
recorder, FM tuner).
--jameslin
\_ the ipod is by no means perfect, but it's the best out there
in nearly every aspect except for price
\_ ipod mini. how much music do you have? i've filled my 20gb ipod
but would have bought the mini if it were available 4 months ago.
\_ I find it ironic that so many people would spend so much on an
overpriced dinky hardware toy to store and play back all of their
stolen music....
\_ Clever, and dated. Wake up: people do pay for music these days.
\_ You'd have to be spending a lot on music to fill up 40gb.
\_ Don't by the Muvo. my coworker had the HD crash on him after 3
months. I guess it's a common problem. He had a previous product
from Rio/SonicBlue also crash after <1 year. iPodMini seems to be
more hip than the original ipod. |
| 2004/3/22-26 [Computer/Companies/Yahoo] UID:12805 Activity:nil |
3/22 Yahoo! Search is hiring C++ developers.
Details in /csua/pub/jobs/yahoo-search.
Email resumes to mattn@yahoo-inc.com. -jdynin
emacs user was here
:wq!
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24909
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| 2004/3/22-23 [Reference/Religion] UID:12806 Activity:moderate |
3/22 I know everyone will think this is a troll, but I am genuinely
curious. Why did the Isrealis assassinate Yasser with a rocket
when they could have arrested him and put him on trial?
Only serious answers please.
\_ more dramatic. He was already released once from Isreali prison.
\_ Could have arrested him? How? Do you still remember that an
Israeli attempt to arrest a bunch of Palestinian militants
two years ago resulted in a five week stand-off at the
Church of Nativity in Bethlehem? Or the violent battle that
took place in Jenin? It's not like Israeli police can just
drive a police car to his house and arrest him.
\- well maybe killing palestinians at the rate of 3:1 against
israelis isnt enough and they want to radicalize things more
so they can go up to 10:1 or 20:1 or 50:1. you know this is
the second hamas leader they have killed in the last few months.
--psb
\_ Why do you single out jews? What's the kill ratio of Hindis
vs Muslims in India outside Kashmir, where one can honestly
say that the muslims are not the one causing terror?
\- because that is what this thread is about. without a
doubt there are human rights abuses done by the indian
military forces in the valley of kashmir.
it is not a hindi [sic] muslim matter but a government
vs. rebels. e.g. kps gill who "settled" punjab is a
sikh. please delete your irrelevant post and my reply
after you read it. --psb
\_ oh bullshit, there are plenty of dead muslims inside
indias borders killed by both the government and
civilians gone into nutty religious frenzies.
\_ the 2nd? i thought their recent track record was better than
that. they should send those missile guys out to the range to
do some firing practice. 2 in a few months is pathetic. if
they killed off the bastards faster, fewer Israeli and Arab
children would die.
doubt what happened in gujrat is indefensible. if you
want to start a thread on that feel free, but you may
want to learn the difference between hindi and hindu,
before wading into indian history and politics --psb |
| 2004/3/22-23 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Recreation/Dating] UID:12807 Activity:nil |
3/22 Femi-Nazis ban urinal: http://csua.org/u/6jz (story.news.yahoo.com) |
| 2004/3/22-24 [Computer/Companies/Yahoo] UID:12808 Activity:kinda low |
3/22 How did sodans get yahoo to not classify mail from csua as spam?
\_ I called the phone number listed in yahoo's whois record. after
waiting on hold for a 10 minutes I got a live person in customer
care (for paid services) who said to send email to
mail-abuse-bulk@yahoo-inc.com. too bad Yahoo has no place on their
website for this sort of contact except for "if you are a bulk
mailer". BTW, I agree with the youreauseless.. guy. -op
\_ Just for a point of possible interest. Yahoo apparently uses a
dialup/dsl list and files anything from anyone on that list they
don't have whitelisted as bulk. The mail-abuse-bulk address
should get a response.. --scotsman
\_ Why do you want to know?
\_ Because email from my domain and/or my server's IP address
is getting incorrectly classified as "bulk/spam" by Yahoo's
SpamGuard.
\_ And what domain is that, pray tell? (Thought so.)
\_ <DEAD>youreauselessarrogantdickhead.org<DEAD>
\_ Ah, but you see, my friend, for all we know, traffic
from your domain and/or IP is in fact NOT incorrectly
classified as spam. Until you convince us this is not
the case you get nothing.
\_ Are you a Yahoo?
\_ <DEAD>youreastupiduselesssackofshit.org<DEAD>. That's for
yahoo to determine. You're a nobody. If there's
a process or contact or procedure, it shouldn't be
some s00per sekte f0r 0nly kewl d00dez leik y00!
UR2 kewl 4me <DEAD>andaseriousasshole.net<DEAD> who I'm sure
doesn't know beans about the yahoo process but is
instead just another "I hate anonymous motd people"
jackoffs which is ironic since you posted anon too.
\_ Don't forget your Prozac, darling.
\_ How much mail are you sending out?
\_ To yahoo/sbc: about 5 messages a week.
\_ Are you sure you are not infected with one of
the zombie spam viruses?
\_ Yes, I'm sure. I've contacted yahoo and my
network provoder, cause it looks like yahoo is
indeed filtering the mail based on IP address.
\_ I called the phone number listed in yahoo's whois record. after
waiting on hold for a 10 minutes I got a live person in customer
care (for paid services) who said to send email to
mail-abuse-bulk@yahoo-inc.com. too bad Yahoo has no place on their
website for this sort of contact except for "if you are a bulk
mailer". BTW, I agree with the youreauseless.. guy. -op
\_ Just for a point of possible interest. Yahoo apparently uses a
dialup/dsl list and files anything from anyone on that list they
don't have whitelisted as bulk. The mail-abuse-bulk address
should get a response.. --scotsman |
| 2004/3/22-23 [Computer/Domains] UID:12809 Activity:low |
3/22 Is there a place that has the definite rule on domain names?
I certainly googled and got information that are clearly wrong
such as .gov can be used by any countries government, or contradictory
(a domain name can or cannot start with a number). It does not seem
to be on http://internic.net or http://icann.org either, surprisingly.
\_ This is the most political arena on the internet. Read
these proceedings for a taste of it:
http://forum.icann.org/mtg-cmts/stld-rfp-comments/general/index.html
\_ Does this mean there is no official rule yet?? Just a loose
set of mutual understanding between different regions and
operators? So I might be able to register a domain with some
oddity at one registrar yet it is unusable globally and outright
technically illegal in the future?
\_ It's not "illegal" unless by national laws. Disputes are
handled by WIPO or other arbitration bodies. -John
\_ If it is properly registered, it should be usable globally.
Hard to say what will happen in the future, though all
the registrars tend to have grandfathered in the old
stuff, unless some multi-national wants it. |
| 2004/3/22 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Israel] UID:29875 Activity:nil |
3/22 I think they should settle the whole Israel/Palestine conflict via
professional wrestling. Each people could have a wrestler
representative, and all the chair-throwing and piledriver moves would
satisfy people's lust for violence without anyone actually getting
hurt. They could even have the mat set up at the Temple on the Mount!
\_ I'd like to see a bacon-eating contest.
\_ but god granted the wrestling ring as holy land.
\_ "DO YOU SMELL WHAT THE ROCK IS COOKIN?"
"Oi, this guy is meshuggunah..." |
| 2004/3/22 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:29876 Activity:nil |
3/22 Why do the Republicans take so much money from the dirty, nasty
trial lawyers? Why does the motd censor keep deleting this, but
leaving the pro-Bush posts?
\_ Dem Constituency: Unions and trial lawyers
Rep ": business
\_ SKY GREEN! SEA YELLOW!
\_ Soon, baby. |
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