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| 2004/3/15-16 [Health/Disease/General] UID:12660 Activity:nil |
3/15 Happy thoughts to start the day!:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/14/books/review/14GEWENT.html
"Many turned blue because their lungs were too weak to
deliver oxygen to the blood. Some coughed so hard they
ruptured abdominal muscles, or became so sensitive to any
contact that they screamed when touched. Others could not move
their eyes without enduring intense pain. Blood spurted from
the nose, ears, eyes. Sometimes air pockets formed under the
skin, so that when a patient was turned over, his body crackled
and popped."
\_ I told you not to party with psb. |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:12661 Activity:very high |
3/15 No, really.
Just out of curiousity, does anyone think Ann Coulter is
anything but psychotic? "Liberals relentlessly oppose the
military, the Pledge of Allegiance, the flag, and national
defense..." Does anyone truly believe any single portion
of this sentence? -scotsman
\_ disclaimer 1: I am not a conservative.
disclaimer 2: I don't read Coulter, Franken, Moore or the rest of
the moron brigade publishing books of a certain kind.
It seems like your objection is to Coulter lumping _all_ liberals
with those liberals who do oppose "the military" etc. It does seem
a little unfair, but I remember a conversation we had recently where
you did the same thing with conservatives and the
ultra-religious-right. -- ilyas
\_ Actually, no. I don't think there are any liberals except the
anarchists and the naive that "oppose the military". I think
we all recognize the need for a strong military. And I'd like
to see a transcript where I lumped all conservatives with the
religious right. --scotsman
you did the same thing with conservatives and ultra-religious-right.
\_ <ilyas> although it's a little disingenious to lump pat with
conservatives in general
<ilyas> that's like me yelling "LIBERALS WANT TO INSTITUTE
MAXIMUM WAGE!"
<scotsman> the conservatives have lumped him in with
themselves
So naturally, the conservatives lump Mr. Buchanan with their
mainstream, but the liberals are far too smart to lump their
extremist shriekers with their mainstream, right ben?
-- ilyas
\_ Do you have the rest of that discussion? I admit that was
really ... poorly played on my part. BTW, someone overwrote
specifics of this sentence or that partial out of context quote,
it is your whole ultra-left world view she's talking about. i find
an edit to my previous post. I didn't mean for it to be
so heavy handed. --scotsman
\_ yes, absolutely. you're so far left and so blinded by your
beliefs and closed minded that you seem to actually believe that
someone with a different view from yours must be psychotic. you
are *exactly* the sort of person she's always railing against so
of course you can't see yourself in it. it isn't about the
specifics of this sentence or that partial out of context quote,
it is your whole ultra-left world view she's talking about. i find
\_ Nice dodge! +10 points.
\_ post the full quote in context and we'll talk about it.
i would never ask you to discuss a partial "..." pseudo
quote. it's ridiculous to ask.
\_ I posted plenty for an easy google. It's out of her
introduction, and requires no other context. -scotsman
it funny that the left calls the right evil and psychotic and a
bunch of other things which are all pure ad hominen whereas the
right spends their time saying the left is wrong and exactly how
so. if you'd ever actually read coulter or listened to rush or
saw hannity's show or a long list of others you won't find the
sort of outrageous "everyone who doesn't think like me is insane"
and "i can't believe anyone else could possibly believe this stuff"
agenda that you're pushing. have a cookie, it's the only one i'll
feed you today.
\_ The first half of my query was obviously hyperbolic to set the
tone. I'm glad you bought it. --scotsman
\_ *laugh* wow you are *sooooo* clever! just because you signed
your post doesn't mean you're a) not a troll or b) have
anything to say worth responding to. you did manage to waste
about 2 minutes of my life responding but it was worth it to
get this final ridiculous reply. why bother posting at all?
now that i know you're a troll-who-signs i wont be feeding
you anymore.
\_ See, the thing is, if you buy Coulter's line, then
dialectic between the left and right is meaningless
(which I am not yet cynical enough to believe). --scotsman
\_ Perfect example of Coulterism in action! Attack the questioner
without answering any of the charges/questions. Bravo! That
Coulterite! God forbid you should back up your "yes,
absolutely" with any reasoning.
was unexpected and perfect. --blind motd liberal freak
\_ It was all answered. go read it again. what does "yes,
absolutely" mean to you, trollboy? sheesh. it's right there
for god's sake. are you really that stupid or really that
blind?
\_ More ad hominen attacks! Excellent! Keep piling it on,
Coulterite! God forbid you should back up your "yes,
absolutely" with any reasoning.
\_ OP didn't ask for any reasoning, only if anyone
ridiculous degree, which has caused this country to become
extremely polarized, and THAT is a real problem.
believed Coulter. The answer was given immediately
and with no waffling. It isn't ad hominen if I've
already answered your questions in full and *then*
insult your intelligence or integrity. i'm done. i've
fed you enough cookies. twice you've added nothing
and ignored my replies despite giving you full answers.
\_ the whole premise of the thread is idiotic anyway.
whether anyone here likes it or not, her books are
bestsellers, which means that lots of people like
her enough to buy her books, which presumably
means they don't all think she is psychotic.
\_ she sells books because she's hot.
\_ ok then why is rush popular? he sure as hell
isn't hot. he's a fat ugly froggy bastard.
\_ Her books consist of repeatedly setting up straw
men and knocking them down with unresearched
one-liners. She has poor writing skills. The real
laugh is to catch her in a live appearance, where
she's not ruling the forum. She's not capable of
reasoned discourse at all.
\_ fine. i agree. that's not the point, though.
the premise of this thread is that it's up
for debate whether *someone* doesn't think
she's a psycho idiot. While that someone
is not me or you, that there are many such
someones is not an open question.
\_ Actually, the question was "Does anyone
here believe any part of that sentence?"
At least the reasonable part... --scotsman
\_ re-read your own post.
\_ Think for a second. Is "Anne Coulter
is psychotic!" a reasonable statement,
or is it trollbait? The statement
that she made is thoroughly
indefensible and patently false. But
calling her psychotic is very clearly
hyperbole. --scotsman
\_ Both extreme left and right demonize their counterparts to a
ridiculous degree, which has caused this country to become
extremely polarized, and THAT is a real problem.
\_ She's not psychotic. She comes from a long tradition of gaining
popularity through giving voice to peoples more base impulses
and thoughts - she has counterparts on the left, though I think
she may win in the "over the top" department (Joe McCarthy a hero?!)
Just another symptom of how cartoonish and idiotic our politics
have become. That said, I think she also scores on novelty
factor because she looks like barbie and spits vitriol.
\_ This deserves the "Well Said" Award of the Day.
\_ AC's book is revealing. It will inspire a new generation of
patriots who will cleanse this country of any and all liberals once
and for ever! She is the mother and pin-up of all true
conservatives.
\_ http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10087 |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:12662 Activity:high |
3/15 Sigh. Another Monday, another edition of the motd censors' favorite
bland, vanilla topics. Bring back the Mormon thread! Let's laugh
some more at the FreePer goons!
\_ So what was the conclusion? Was Smith a total freak or what?
\_ If having 52 wives makes you a freak, then I don't want to be
normal.
\_ Nothing wrong with 52 wives. They are all willing partners,
just like in gay marriages.
\_ It may or may not be wrong, but it IS very weird.
\_ Polygamy is widespread in many species, and in human
history. Nothing weird at all.
\_ it leads to social problem since the male/female
ratios are roughly 1:1 at birth. what happens to
the other 51 guys with no spouse?
\_ that's their problem. the same thing happens
when they are more gay marriages than
lesbian marriages.
\_ There are roughly equal numbers of gays and
lesbians, whereas polyandry is very rare
compared to polygamy.
\_ Yeah, I had to read the archive to see some of the more luidcrous
attacks on my religion. -emarkp
\_ Ya know, the motd makes 1000% more sense now that I know there
is at least two Mormons on it.
\_ So, soda's motd is some sorta mission?
\_ Really? How so? -jrleek
\_ The continuing comparisons of gay marriage and polygamy.
People upset at the increasing societal acceptance of a
form of marriage their religion denounces, and the
continuing societal disapproval of a form of marriage
embreaced by the founders of the Mormon Church.
\_ Well, that's a reasonable conclusion, excpet me and
emarkp usually sign out posts, and I know it
wasn't me posting that. That's a comparison that's
frequent in conservitive radio anyway. -jrleek |
| 2004/3/15 [Recreation/Humor] UID:12663 Activity:nil Cat_by:auto |
3/15 Frickin' hilarious.
http://homepage.mac.com/howheels/rubb.html
Also, make your own quasi rap intro:
http://lisupras.com/wooo.html |
| 2004/3/15 [Science/Physics] UID:12664 Activity:high |
3/15 Something for you Physics students
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~kovar/hall.html -John
\_ so, are all you cs dudes "rolling in cash?" -physicsstudent |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:12665 Activity:nil |
3/14 Right, so spamassassin, while working like a charm, has generated a
2.5mb bayes_toks file. If I delete this, will I have undone every
bit of learning the program has done?
\_ umm, obviously?
\_ no, it's only a backup. the real data is stored in zero-point
energy fields. |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:12666 Activity:low |
3/14 Is there a function that takes a string and then escape all spaces
and control chars in it and return a string suitable for use as
say a filename in a shell? tia.
\_ "function" in what, c, the shell, ...?
\_ in some more or less widely available library of C functions?
\_ Something like perl's quotemeta? --scotsman
\_ No. But if you want to look at an example look in
openbsd's ksh. IIRC, the function is called x_escape
and is in edit.c.
\_ Thanks. One would have thought something has useful as
this should make it way to some standard lib. Not that it
is that difficult, but why reinvent the wheel or copy
other's work? |
| 2004/3/15 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/India, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:12667 Activity:nil |
3/15 http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-France-Bin-Laden.html What are French troops doing in Afghanistan? We should just send them home. For all we know, they may be helping Bin Laden. \_ There are no French troops in Afghanistan. They are opposed to BushCo and his evil regime. |
| 2004/3/15 [Politics] UID:12668 Activity:nil |
3/15 Doonesbury hasn't been that good lately, but this Sunday's was not bad
http://csua.org/u/6fe |
| 2004/3/15 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Domestic/911] UID:12669 Activity:nil |
3/15 Spain to leave Iraq, because of new government voted in as a result
of the terrorist bombings.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/03/15/international0736EST0480.DTL
Another Victory for the Terrorists, and an example of why they will
crush the wimpy western democracies? Discuss...
\_ Turnging and turning in the widening gyre...
\_ Sorry guys, the talking points this time are just stupid. The
Popular Party was not "way ahead in the polls." They were within
the margin of error. The bombings, and the sloppy attempt to blame
them on ETA, just pushed it over the edge. The War in Iraq killed
the PP and you guys know it. Also, the "Socialist" party in Spain
is no more socialist than the ruling parties in, say, Germany.
\_ It sounded to me like:
"It must have been the ETA"
"Why?"
"Because they're terrorists."
"But what about al Quaeda?"
"It must have been the ETA"
\_ You forgot the part where they took a kernel of truth and
lied from there. "It must have been the ETA because they
had been planning an attack to coincide with the elections,"
which is true, but the bombings didin't fit with ETA's
modus operandi, and everyone knew it.
\_ It wasn't about difficult MO. It was about the government
delaying the release of information. |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Recreation/Dating] UID:12670 Activity:low |
3/15 Two ministers charged by the state with violating civil marriage laws
by performing a gay marriage. Wouldn't it be easier if we just decided
that relegious marriage and civil marriage had nothing in common?
http://salon.com/news/wire/2004/03/15/ministers_charges/index.html
\_ why don't they charge the Mayors first?
\_ That's a bit extreme. Right now, religious ministers are licensed
by the state to perform civil as well as religious marriage in a
single ceremony as a convenience (and it means far fewer people
coming to the courthouse for civil marriages, which saves you the
taxpayer $$). Some countries don't allow for this and require a
civil ceremony. That seems like a reasonable system. It is what
will likely happen if same-sex marriage becomes legal (because most
ministers will refuse to perform same-sex ceremonies and will
likely not be allowed to perform any civil marriage).
\_ Yes, but then you have to decide what civil marriage means. If two
homosexuals can have a civil union which really just means a legal
contract, why can't more people sign on to it? Why not have legal
polygamy which grants the same benefits to groups as it does to
couples? Why limit yourself?
\_ All I'm saying is that it seems contrary to seperation of church
and state for a religious ceremony to hold any legal authority.
A marriage license should have no religious weight, and a
religious ceremony should have no legal weight.
\_ Does it really? ""Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof..." There is less to separation of church and
state than is sometimes claimed.
\_ Actually, judges often times don't use the actual text
of the Constitution itself but rather the intent of the
text (which is why the Federalists Papers are often
consulted by Constitutional experts). In this case, the
first ammendment is loosely interpreted as meaning the
government shall not force a particular religion upon
the people. Don't know if that was the intent or not.
\_ There's also a lot of case law and precedant flowing from
that. It has been extended (by "activist judges") to
include all lower levels of government too.
\_ Religious ceremonies are just that. Ceremonial. They
already do not carry any legal weight. That's why you need
to go to city hall first and get a marriage license, etc.
If the signed and witnessed document is not returned to
city hall later, you're not married. You're single, right?
\_ If a black man and a white girl can get married, why not have
legal homosexual marriages? Why limit yourself?
\_ exactly. lets just allow everyone to do everything, sanction
and tax it. it feels good so do it! think of the children!
it takes a village. did I miss any?
\_ why limit ourselves to homosexual marriages. let's have
polygamous marriages.
\_ If you want to submit yourself to a denigrating
relationship or position of inferior humanity, knock
yourself out. Just don't expect society to pass a law
recognizing the legitimacy of such a relationship.
\_ How is it inferior? Society? So if society rejects
homosexuality, you will accept that?
\_ On the contrary: homosexual monogamy is about a
relationship between two equal partners. Polygamy,
by its very nature, begins to imply a hiearchy:
first wife over second wife, etc., with each
additional member of the overrepresented gender
adding to the overall importance of the under-
represented gender.
\_ On the contrary, homosexuality throughout history
has always been about unequal partners. Roman
men and their males slaves. Greek men and boys.
Prison daddies and their "wives".
\_ Contrast that with modern homosexual relation-
ships, wherein both partners are considered
equals.
\_ Similarly, polygamous relationships can
work in modern societies, where people
come together under their own free will.
\_ ...the weird thing (from my POV) is
that I find myself thinking that you're
right. My objections are based on bad
examples in the past, not mature, modern
relationships. That, and it gives me the
willies.
\_ Then you get stuff like one person extending their health
care to a dozen people.
\_ yes and why is that any different than one person
extending to only one person? why extend at all? why
not allow one to extend to 12, 50, 5000 if they're in
love?
\_ you're an idiot.
\_ You can be in love with 5,000 people, but it's unfair
to require employers, the gov't, etc to provide
spousal benefits to an arbitrarily large # of people.
\_ The current laws and policies are based on the
presumption that marriages are union between a
man and a woman. I am sure there are ways
to change it so that it caters well to a
society with polygamous marriages, or for
that matter, gay marriages. History is full
of polygamous societies with code of laws.
\_ All of which are/were based on the superiority
one gender over another. Disagree? Prove me
wrong: find me one (1) polygamous society,
historical or modern, in which one gender was
not considered less valuable than the other.
\_ This doesn't prove anything. Historically,
even in monogamous societies, one gender
is considered less valuable than the other.
Find me one society in history where
homosexuality is prevalent (eg. Rome,
Ancient Greece) where the relationship is
not often unequal (Roman with male slave,
Greek with slave boy, etc.).
\_ Point being that you're the one arguing
for historical justification of polygamy
whereas I'm not arguing for historical
justification of homosexual marriage.
\_ Incorrect. I was arguing against
using a small difficulty in the
current benefits system as argument
against polygamy.
\_ Yes, but at least the Bible supports this relationship.
\_ Using religious texts as the basis for civil laws...
what a great idea. Call me when we're stoning the
adulterers.
\_ umm. see the US Constitution, Decl. of Independen
ce
\_ it does? where??
\_ How many wives did Solomon have?
\_ yea, but Solomon sinned against God when
his many wives led him to worship many idols.
\_ Look Moses, David, Abraham, Jacob, Caleb,
Gideon and Solomon were all polygamous.
You can try and claim the bible is against
polygamy, but you are full of it.
\_ yes, the bible is full of sinners
but that is the point..
\_ Thanks for erasing the line from
Exodus that specifically states
that a man may have more than one
wife. In any case, the bible quite
specifically, in more than one place,
allows polygamy:
\_ the one that says man "can"
, David can also send Uriah to his
death, I can also murder tons of
people, but that doesn't mean
it's not a sin just cuz it's in
the bible. "can" != "may"
\_ How about when your brother dies
and you are commanded to marry
his wife, regardless of whether
you are married or not. Is that
a sin, too?
http://members.aol.com/healinglvs/healinglvs/poly-00.htm#3
\_ The bible does not prohibit polygamy. However, the
bible also does not "support [polygamy]".
The bible instructs the husband to love his wife as
he loves himself. Also the bible says that elders,
deacons and overseers (people in leadership positions
in the church) must be "the husband of but one wife".
\_ Nah, we just want gay marriage, not polygamy. After all,
interracial marriage is allowed, right?
\_ how do people turn what was normal then to not normal now? Back then
it wAs normal to have a polygamy; it was normal to marry cousins; it
was normal to get married at age 15...
\_ it was only 'normal' for those able to afford it which was only
the upper reaches of society. it is no different today. we
still have mistresses/concubines, etc.
\_ what I really mean is that people actually think it is weird
disgusting. When I saw on talk shows that people saying it's
sick to marry cousins, I was shocked because I don't have
that disgusted feeling seeing cousin couples. Especially
when one realizes there were many cousin marriages in the
US history. To see the society get brainwashed to actually
feel cousin marriages are disgusting is amazing. At this
point, I'm sure there are many people find polygamy
revolting
\_ Cousin marriages are not, in and of themselves,
disgusting. They do, however, entail a significantly
higher chance of producing offspring with rare
recessive disorders. Common taboos against cousin
marriages are the product of the very first attempts at
eugenics by the Roman Catholic Church. Now, if you
_want_ to inflict bizarre genetic conditions on your
offspring, one could very well argue that you're
engaging in prenatal child abuse and do not deserve to
have custody of your children.
\_ This is not true. I don't have time today to
google for this, but your genetics is wrong.
Do you have any source for this? -bio major
\_ What, apart from Punnett squares?
\_ http://csua.org/u/6fn (USA Today)
\_ "A 7 to 8% chance (of genetic disorder) is
50% greater than a 5% chance," says Philip
Reilly, geneticist and author of Abraham
Lincoln's DNA, a popular history of human
genetics. "That's a significant difference.
People counseling first cousins who want
to marry need to be very careful and clear
on this," Reilly says.
\_ There's a much greater chance of
genetic disorder in children born to
women over 35, and especially over 40.
\_ Women who have children after the
age of 35 should be throw in jail
for child abuse!
\_ That is for first cousins. For second
cousins, the effect is negligible.
\_ It depends what you mean by "significantly". The
effect is probably only noticeable in aggregate, when
cousin marriage is widespread for generations. There
are various arguments to be made against cousin
marriage. But the genetic aspect is probably not that
significant, apart from e.g. "double cousins" or known
family problems, especially when there are a lot of
other factors that society disregards such as older
women having children (increases % of problems) and
other analysis one could apply to particular couples.
\_ yea, we chinese practised cousin marriage for
quite a while, and we are only just slightly
retarded.
\_ well, a) even after inbreeding, it doesn't
take much "outbreeding" to bounce back. b) maybe
people were stupider or weaker than they would
have been? how do you know? c) The average
Chinese and Indians in USA are smarter than the
average slobs back in the home country.
\_ don't be too sure. these days, among those
with a choice, the smart ones stay home
cause that's where the exciting opportuni-
ties are.
\_ that's irrelevant to the averages. the
ones that came here are mostly on the
smarter side so their average is higher.
\_ In feudal Japan, it was uncommon for commoners to get married at
all. They practiced a kind of common law marriage.
\_ Most of the world still practices a kind of common law
marriage. -tom
\_ I made that up. -tom |
| 2004/3/15 [Uncategorized] UID:12671 Activity:nil |
3/1 I love this site: http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame16.html Remind you of anyone? \_ That site is nice, and has come up on the motd more than once. However, it doesn't really have categories necessary for the motd - Mormon Freeper Trigger Finger Man, for instance, or ChinaTroll, or even ilyas, psb, and tom who should have categories all their own (i.e. The Ilyas, The Psb, The Tom). |
| 2004/3/15 [Recreation/Shopping] UID:12672 Activity:nil |
3/15 Simple question, why wear socks?
\_ Smelly feet?
\_ Protect feet from any irregularities in the shoe causing calluses.
Wick moisture away from the foot. Provide warmth. Not look like a
bum.
\_ It's easier to wash socks than shoes.
\_ Why wash? Why wear anything? Why not spit on people as you walk
by? Why not poke everyone with a knife? |
| 2004/3/15 [Uncategorized] UID:12673 Activity:nil |
3/15 Good. Use your aggressive feelings, sodans. Let the hate flow
through you. |
| 2004/3/15 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:12674 Activity:nil |
3/15 You may be a bigger part of the Bush/Cheney endless oil grabbing wars
of the future then you think -- government might be setting up to
draft "computer experts" and other skilled draftees in the future.
Guess what, h0zer -- that means you! http://csua.org/u/6fb
\_ as long as we are paid..
\_ Military salaries suck ass. Veterans benefits make military
salaries look great.
\_ Yeah wow that would suck if you had to serve your country! |
| 2004/3/15 [Uncategorized] UID:12675 Activity:nil |
3/15 If you're a Roman dictator, watch your back.
\_ He is a dreamer; let us leave him. Pass. |
| 2004/3/15 [Uncategorized] UID:12676 Activity:nil |
3/15 Joseph Smith was called a prophet, dum dum dum dum dum...
\_ But then the motd had a flame war, smart smart smart smart smart. |
| 2004/3/15 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:12677 Activity:nil |
3/15 Your morning dose of inanity as brought to you by the Mouthpiece:
"Terrorists are indiscriminate (as to) who they attack. They want to
spread fear and chaos," McClellan said."
\_ heh, so terrorists really want to spread joy and happiness to
specific targets?
\_ "I do not like to be beaten about the head and shoulders."
"You would prefer being beaten on the feet and knees?"
Your syllogistic logic has no affect on the inanity of the
Mouthpiece.
\_ You think that quote is stupid? Check out the right-wing
editorializing (all over the place, obUseGoogle) that the
victory of Spain's opposition party is a victory for the
terrorists. Even tho, ya know, the ruling party was the one
that backed Bush against 90% of the public and then tried to
blame the terrorist attack on ETA without any evidence.
Democracy is only good when they agree with us.
\_ Hmm, PP is way ahead in polls. Bombs go off. PP loses.
Yep! It's a loss for the terrorists! |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Consumer/CellPhone] UID:12678 Activity:kinda low |
3/15 I have Verizon and have been pretty happy with the service till
recently. I no longer have signal in my apartment, and I've verified
this with other Verizon customers in the apartment. I called
them up to fix up the cell/repeater but they said they don't have
any problem in my area. What to do now?
\_ Take your number and run, boy.
\_ What phone do you have? Has there been construction nearby?
\_ I have T720. I verified this with other Verizon Wireless
customers using other phone and they have the same
problem.
\_ OK, that phone's tri-mode, so that's not the problem.
Have you updated the prefered roaming list lately? To do
that, go somewhere with a strong digital signal and dial
*228 and follow the voice prompts to "Update your PRL".
Your phone should reboot when it's done. See if that
improves your signal.
Ooops I mean I have T720i. Not sure what the "i" means but
it must be something significant. Anyways I did update it
while talking to the cust rep and she said try that fro a few
days, and if still no luck I can change the phone for free.
But I seriously doubt it's the phone becuase I can use it
pretty much anywhere, AND I've confirmed with other Verizon
customers in the same building that they don't have service.
So... now sure what to do next.
\_ The T720i? On Verizon? That's a GSM phone. If you have a
GSM phone with Verizon it would go to roam all the time. If
you actually have a CDMA phone and your reception got a lot
worse recently, I'd blame either a new building between you
and the cell site. Or else a bunch of new Verizon customers
in your neighborhood are causing the cell site to 'breathe'. |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Computer/Networking] UID:12679 Activity:nil |
3/15 Apparently the firware in my netgear MA401RA pcmcia card has
broken WEP support. Any recommendations for an 802.11b
card that fully works with linux? Any of the 3com Xjack ones?
\_ I'm not sure if there's a difference but the MA401 is prism2
based, here, setup info
http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~chhabra/netgearwireless.html
prism2/2.5/3 firmwares listed at http://www.red-bean.com/~proski/firmware
failing that, I'm using a USR2410 (also prism2 based). Any
prism2 or orinoco should work just fine. (rebadged dells, etc)
\_ some versions of the prism2 firmware look to be broken.
\_ hence the link to the collection of firmwares.
1.07.01 for me. (secondary, 0.3.0 or something like that
for primary) -dwc
http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Orinoco.html
"Stano Meduna wrote a patch to add driver based WEP encryption to
the Orinoco driver to support properly broken PrismII firmwares." |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Uncategorized] UID:12680 Activity:nil |
3/15 Anybody heard anything about the Regents buidling a new UC campus in
Stockton?
\_ You don't mean UC Merced, do you? |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:12681 Activity:nil |
3/15 How does one access the motd archive?
\_ search the archives to find out.
\_ less ~mehlhaff/tmp/motd,v. Use '/' to search for phrases. If
you have too much time, man co.
\_ someone (marco?) wrote a program to scroll through the motd
history. Anyone remember? -EricM
\_ ~marco/bin/motdbrowse ?
\_ i use ~mjm/bin/motdbrowse -!mjm
\_ note that the RE search feature is broken. -mjm
\_ We should put these scripts in /csua/bin :)
\_ a fully seacheable, indexed (categorized), and archived motd will
be available in the next week or so. Thanks to those who
QAed it for me in the past few weeks.
\_ I'll see your vaporware and raise you a phantom terabyte RAID
solution.
\_ tb raid is only 8 drives. its not that big a deal. |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Computer/Networking] UID:12682 Activity:low |
3/15 arab phrase and its english translation useful in iraq:
http://www.newyorker.com/shouts/content/?040322sh_shouts
\_ What's the joke?
\_ there's an image on the page, doesn't work for lynx
\_ it didn't work for me either, and i'm using adelphia cable
modem.
\_ is this the old "doesn't work cable modem" joke? |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Reference/Tax] UID:12683 Activity:nil |
3/15 Turbo Tax or Tax Cut? Now that turbotax does not include copy
protection this year, is anyone switching back to turbo tax?
\_ Yeah, I'm using TurboTax, and I used it for the last 4 years too.
But geez, Norton AntiVirus added product activation, and they
also charge $19.95/year per computer for virus updates.
\_ their stuff doesn't work. still get hit by viruses that
other shareware can easily find and remove
\_ TT. TC was crap last year.
\_ I fully agree. I ended up having to buy TT after finding that TC
had no capability to handle my situation. |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Politics/Foreign/Asia/Japan] UID:12684 Activity:nil |
3/15 I don't know if this is old news or what, but I found this exhibit
about Perry's visit to Japan very interesting.
http://www.blackshipsandsamurai.com/title_core.htm |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Uncategorized] UID:12685 Activity:nil |
3/15 all i can say is , bend over Spain.. bend over..
\_ must be tough to communicate when you have that problem.
do you just resort to writing? i imagine it sometimes
slips out though, in emotional circumstances. --NERFAMC
\_ huh? is this motdedit munging things again?
\_ You are humor impaired. Train harder. |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Reference/Religion] UID:12686 Activity:very high |
3/15 Who would win in a fight: Joseph Smith or Moses?
\_ Does Joseph Smith get to drive da Bears Bus? -John
\_ Young, part the Red Sea Moses or old, after 40 years
in the wilderness Moses?
\_ As long as he keeps his arms up, Moses wins at any age.
\_ Jacob, who wrestled God and won.
\_ Depends on the type of fight. 1. Miracle Fight. A bit silly
since they are both servents of God with miracles under their
belts, but... I give this one to Moses. More consistently
\_ Depends on the type of fight. 1. Miricle Fight. A bit silly
since they are both servents of God with miricles under their
belts, but... I give this one to Moses. More consistantly
big miricles. 2. Unarmed combat. JS was famous for being
big miracles. 2. Unarmed combat. JS was famous for being
extremely strong and an excellent wrestler. Moses was a
prince. Point to JS. 3. Sword combat. Probably Moses, he
was a prince of Egypt and probably studied sword/knife
fighting. (Or whatever was common then) 4. Modern armed
combat. JS. Moses had no experience with guns... -jrleek
extremely strong and an excellent wrestler. Moses was a
prince. Point to JS. 3. Sword combat. Probably Moses, he
was a prince of Egypt and probably studied sword/knife
fighting. (Or whatever was common then) 4. Modern armed
combat. JS. Moses had no experiance with guns... -jrleek
\_ Can you try spelling a little more poorly?
\_ oKe, butt I don' tknoe why.
\_ wrestling was a popular sport among ancient peoples. Moses
takes all of them except the modern gun combat. give him a
sling instead and we'll see.
\_ maybe Moses could win in modern gun combat too:
http://www.bradthegame.com/thesecondcoming/barabbas/07-01.html
\_ haven't you seen the Super Best Friends episode of South Park? |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:12687 Activity:nil |
3/15 ***YAWN*** can someone please post an interesting/mind boggling
c/java trivia? Like if "I have class A {int x; } class B extends {...}
what is the expected behaviour?" Something short but interesting
for discussion.
\_ Implement the factorial function without iteration or named
functions (using lambdas is ok). Dave, you aren't allowed to
answer this one. Any language is allowed. For bonus points,
do it in a language which infers types for you. -- ilyas
\_ http://www.gotw.ca/gotw/005.htm
\_ if you're bored, go read the comp.lang.c FAQ
http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html or the Java IAQ
http://www.norvig.com/java-iaq.html |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Health] UID:12688 Activity:kinda low |
3/15 Where can I look to find information on what happens when medicine
(prescription and otc) expires? Something like erowid but for legal
drugs. I'm curious as to what I'm actually doing when I take old
tylenol or spread anti-itch ointment on my skin- what's the
effective half-life of the drug, what's the worstcase scenario, etc
Thanks.
\_ idiot, throw them out.
\_ He might be unemployed and wants to save money. |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/Crime, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:12689 Activity:nil |
3/15 Computer specialists will be drafted first:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/03/13/MNG905K1BC1.DTL
\_ old news and what's wrong with serving your country again? |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:12690 Activity:low |
3/15 I seem to remember tcsh saying "You have new mail" when I first logged
in, but I don't get that anymore. How do I re-enable this?
\- mail variable --mr. tcsh
\_ I have tcsh, set my $mail and $MAIL, and have biff y, but it
still doesn't work.
\_ do you have new mail?
\_ I sent myself new mail, no-go. Works on another machine
with the same dot files (paths adjusted of course) ...
\_ I sent myself new mail, no-go. Doh, it stopped working
on my OpenBSD machine too after I changed my dot files.
I must've screwed something up.
\_ one way is in .login you can add the command 'nfrm'
\_ Every time i log in it says "You have no life."
\_ You've got mail! </AOL guy voice> |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Academia/UCLA] UID:12691 Activity:low |
3/15 is it possible to unregister a domain name? a friend of mine has been
threatened legal action by UCLA and wants to drop all association w/
a website he registered a few months back.
\- sell it on ebay. --psb
\_ he's trying to minimize complications... and no, it is not
cadaver related.
\_ so umm, why doesn't he just contact his registrar? they can disable
his domain, if not delete it outright.
\_ as long as he doesn't post any unlawful material on that
website, ucla has no grounds to sue him on. even if he owns
<DEAD>uclacansuckmydick.com<DEAD>.
\_ Wrong. UCLA can sue, and win, for trademark infractions.
<DEAD>uclacansuckmydick.com<DEAD> probably would be safe, but
universityofcalifornialosangeles wouldn't be.
\_ fucla seems to have lost.
\_ I am no legal expert but my understanding is that not matter
how groundless a law suit it is, you must respond to it unless
the court refuse even to accept it (very unlikely). Once a suit
is filed against you, you have to respond it by yourself or thru
legal counsel in acordance with the legal practice, i.e. you can
not just say they are morons they have got no legal basis. So no
matter how frivilous a law suit is, it can cost you thousands of
dollars. If in the end you win, you might get your legal expense
covered if you are lucky, but that is 2 big IFs.
\_ are you trying to say that UCLA can do whatever the fuck it
wants to because it has more money and lawyers than us plebes?
surely this can't be allowed to continue in a democracy!
\_ i know youre being sarcastic but youre also wrong. we have
laws against SLAPP suits from big corps and other mega
entities such as UCLA. op needs to find someone willing to
take his SLAPP suit on a contingency basis and counter sue.
UCLA is unlikely to go to court over a domain name if they
have something on the line in a SLAPP suit and will most
likely settle and go away.
\_ Even for SLAPP suits, you need to find a lawyer or
defend it competently yourself. That is = money + time
+ anxiety = $$$. You might get compensated afterward
IF your defense is competent.
\_ Transfer it to me, I'll take it. (what is it?) -crebbs |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:12692 Activity:very high |
3/15 Any Sodans who is Mogolian? I am a bit curious on how you deal
with the fact that Mogolians can only be written vertically. Is there
any software such as browser that has vertical layout?
\_ You're forgetting one very important aspect of Mongolian history:
Russian imperialism. They use a cyrillic phonetic system now,
which is what they've adopted for the web. For example:
<DEAD>www.pmis.gov.mn<DEAD>
\_ I am fully aware of Russian imperialism. 90% of Mongolians
speak Russian.
".mn" is their domain extension. Also, there is a LaTeX font
package for mongolian that handles the vertical script:
http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~corff/im/MLS/montex.html
\_ cool... but that is not what I am looking for. I am wondering
about how their browser works :p
\_ yes, and that was answered with the above link to a .mn
website. They use the cyrillic alphabet for web stuff.
".mn" is their domain extension. Isn't it amazing what 30 seconds
with google will do?
\_ do you perhaps mean "Mongolian"?
\_ no, Mogolian... lives out with the Moguls.
\_ then wouldn't it be "Mogulian"?
\_ Aren't the two related?
\_ then wouldn't it be "Mogulian"?
\_ Aren't the two related?
\_ Do they read the Klingon Book of Mormon?
http://james.jlcarroll.net/Star_Trek/Klingon_BoM
\_ ok, Mongolian. Does anyone knows how computer deal with
writing which can only be written vertically?
\_ I am having a hard time visualizing any writing system which
_requires_ vertical writing. What if Mongolian is written
horizontally? Will Mongolians suddenly cease to understand it?
-- ilyas
\_ Mongolians are similiar to Arabic in a way which all letters
are connected, and depend upon the position of the letter
relative to its word, the glyph may be different. It is
less convinient than traditional Chinese or Koreans to
change its orientation. I just thought this would be a
very interesting computer science problem to solve this kind
of writing system. Besides Mongolians, Manchurians (which
is heavily influenced by Mongolians) are the only script I
know that is written exclusively in vertical form.
know that is written exclusively in vertical form.
-kngharv
-kngharv
\_ Would it be analogous to trying to write calligraphy
vertically? People below don't seem to get what you are
saying.
\_ what's the problem? if they have arabic fonts then you
can easily do mongolian. if nothing else you could
flip the display sideways. in English you can still read
something if you flip it sideways, it's just harder.
\_ w p n t t s i b
h r o o r i f e
a o t y d t
t b r e i t
l a e f w t e
i e a l a r
s m b d i y l
? i p s o
t g l p o
h i i i a k
e t d k n n s
' e e g d
s a e
l t m s v
h e e e
i e n
s
.
\_ Enter the Matrix!
\_ this is why you guys don't work in Usability
\_ it's a cultural thing. A lot of old Chinese
text which contains English are written this
is way, and it's matter of getting used to it.
\_ except mongolians alphabets are all connected.
\_ ugh! I meant to show that it's difficult
to read vertical english. the words are
tongue in cheek, but it seems that people
think it's easy to read the vertical
text above.
\_ For viewing, flipping is ok, but what about
when you are entering text? Doing it sideways
would be a big pain. I don't think that's acceptable.
\_ sigh. Don't you get it? I was referring to English
turned on its side. In your example, the letters are
l t m s v
h e e e
i e n
s
.
\_ Enter the Matrix!
still horizontal but you placed them vertically.
the brain recognizes word shapes, which your example
destroys, but which is preserved when rotated. Now
imagine a font that creates sideways Mongolian.
\_ For viewing, flipping is ok, but what about when
you are entering text? Doing it sideways would
be a big pain. I don't think that's acceptable.
what's needed is like a word processor that goes
verticle line by verticle line.
\_ What I'm saying is that if you for example
made the font as I described, and just set
your monitor on the side, it seems like that
would give you most of what you want in Word.
In fact all of Windows could be flipped and
the titlebars etc. would make sense. It may
not be easy in current programs, but concep-
tually I don't see any real problem.
\_ Chinese used to be written almost exclusively vertically
until the last century. There is no problem reading Chinese
aligned in any orientation, so it's just a matter of habit.
\_ that's because chinese is different. It doesn't use an
alphabet, and words are not composed of letters.
Instead each "word" is always a square shape.
So it feels more like what's below except it's even
\_ sigh.
You have new mail.
You have new spam.
what a this. see
is big try if
the deal flipping it
problem? to me looks
it's read sideways even
not like and better.
better in that each word is always a square (maybe
like each word is always 5 letters). Also,
"pictographic" (don't know the more accurate
term) writings tend to be easier to read. One
can scan it really fast. In practice, I think there is
no difference in terms of reading speed for chinese
between vertical and horizontal.
what a this. see
is big try if
the deal flipping it
problem? to me looks
it's read sideways even
not like and better.
\_ It be analogous to trying to write calligraphy
vertically? People below don't seem to get what you are
saying.
\_ imagine hand writing English (script form) which each
letters in a word are connected... try to write *THAT*
in a vertical form, you would get some idea what is
the problem... this analogy doesn't reflect the true
difficulty in Mongolian, as English alphabets' shape
does not change relative to the position of the word
and vows. |
| 2004/3/15-16 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration] UID:12693 Activity:nil |
3/15 The Sinking Lifeboat: Uncontrolled Immigration and the
U.S. Healthcare System
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1098224/posts
\_ racist. no need to read link. freeper = racist.
\_ you are a left wing liberal commie traitor sodomist whatever |
| 2004/3/15 [Uncategorized] UID:29869 Activity:nil |
3/14 I support chews for cheeses. Also, the establishment of a religion
for the promotion of the Jamaican dialect called "More mons". |
| 2004/3/15 [Politics/Domestic/Election, Politics/Domestic/RepublicanMedia] UID:29870 Activity:nil |
3/14 1971: Kerry negotiates with Viet Cong for US surrender...
from the Congressional Record
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1097828/posts
\_ Think about how many more US lives we could have saved if
we'd pulled out four years earlier.
\_ Tell that to South Vietnam, which was free for 2 years,
and the millions of Cambodians slaughtered by Communists.
\_ Cambodians? Cambodians were mostly slaughtered
by the Khmer Rouge, which the Vietnamese overthrew
not long after South Vietnam was no more.
\_ Khmer Rouge were formally known as the
Communist Party of Kampuchea. Saloth Sar and
his coterie established their Marxist
credentials in Paris and Eastern Europe.
North Vietnamese were Communists aligned with
the Soviets.
\_ all patriots need to read the following masterpiece by a blonde hot
kinky conservative knockout and you will get a hard on exposing
the true faces of liberals around you -- http://tinyurl.com/2vx63
\_ Just out of curiousity, does anyone think Ann Coulter is
anything but psychotic? "Liberals relentlessly oppose the
military, the Pledge of Allegiance, the flag, and national
defense..." Does anyone truly believe any single portion
of this sentence? -scotsman
\_ w00t! |
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