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2004/3/4-5 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:12514 Activity:nil
3/4     When was the last time you were fooled in opening a spam?
        How were you fooled?
        \_ A couple weeks ago.  Name was familiar, and subject was "hey".
           \_ spamassassin didn't catch it?
                \_ spamassassin is no god.  it works pretty well.  I haven't
                   seen any filter can filter out spam 100% and easy to set
                   up.  My spams cerntainly got cut down dramatically.  Only
                   a few keeps fall through no matter how I keep using sa-learn
                   on them.  But it is definitely way better than when I only
                   used procmail to filter them.
        \_ That Osama game sent via AIM a few weeks ago.
        \_ An eBay scam a month or two ago.  It looked like it really was from
           eBay, but the URL wasn't a real eBay survey.  I was pissed at myself
           for clicking on the link because I'm sure it verified my email.  Oh
           well, haven't seen an increase in spam in spite of my worries.
           \_ don't worry, you will.
2004/3/4-5 [Computer/SW/OS/SCO] UID:12515 Activity:nil
4/3     SCO shoots self in foot with MS Word document revision history.
        http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5170073.html
        \_ They should turn off Fast Save.
        \_ That's not really too scandalous.  Does it surprise anyone that they
           did not have a singleminded desire to sue AutoZone?
2004/3/4-5 [Reference/History/WW2/Germany, Politics/Domestic/SocialSecurity] UID:12516 Activity:nil
4/3     Republican Congressman Godwins himself!
        http://csua.org/u/6a0 (radio news link)
        \_ Someone should remind Mr. Cole that for a long time before our
           entry into WWII, many Americans did indeed support Hitler.
           \_ "Many"?  Bullshit.  There are always stupid people in large
              groups.  I'd *love* to see you cite the term "many".
        \_ "Cole is quoted as asking what Hitler might have thought had
            Franklin Roosevelt not been re-elected in 1944."
           The difference being that Roosevelt was a Democrat and a social
           progressive.
           \_ And a war monger who got us into WWII on a pretext that caused
              the lost of hundreds of American lives and a big chunk of the
              U.S. Navy.
        \_ I also don't think the Japanese were too thrilled one way or another
           when Churchill got ousted in April '45.
2004/3/4-5 [Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:12517 Activity:nil 80%like:29939
4/3     http://snipurl.com/4vze [yahoo news]
        The british people ARE ugly!!!
        \_ You need to check out British pr0n.  There are some *really* hot
           chicks over there.
           \_ Photoshop is a wonderful thing...
              \_ I've been a British pr0n fan long before Photoshop existed.
           \_ Well there's Liz Hurley and, uh...
              \_ He's probably thinking of http://www.page3.com
                 Not that I can see how these photoshopped hos look any
                 better than our photoshopped hos...maybe he's got an
                 accent fetish?
                 \_ And HOW!
        \_ Brazillians are the most plastic surgeried people in the world.
           Practical observation seems to indicate there is little
           negative correlation between the attractiveness of a people
           and the prevalence of plastic surgery.
           \_ I thought it's the Koreans?
              \_ Not according to the Brazillians.  Apparently it's a title
                 many are eager to claim.
2004/3/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/Gay, Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:12518 Activity:nil
4/3     Bush is doomed! http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak04.html
        \_ Bush is no conservative.
2004/3/4-5 [Industry/Jobs, Industry/Startup] UID:12519 Activity:nil
4/3     Can someone give me a description in layman's English what CRM and
        ERP are (in the business software world)?  Thanks!
        \_ CRM: Software which tracks customers, including what they bought,
           when they last bought, how much they bought, how likely they
           are to buy again, who they are, how to contact them, how they
           they are distributed geographically, who is responsible for
           interfacing with them, when was the last time you called them,
           how many times have you contacted them, when will you meet them,
           when was the last time you sent them out something, etc.
           ERP: I have to build 100 boats to meet an order. Each boat contains
           100,000 parts and requires three different fabs and twenty different
           distributors for base parts. I need to coordinate how these boats
           get built on time, within spec, and under budget. I also have
           5000 employees to coordinate, enter SAP/IBM/Oracle.
        \_ CRM is usually some piece of software that coordinates
           correspondence with clients and prospects in some meaningful
           (usually sales-driven) way.  Never heard of ERP.  Though a quick
           google comes up with this:
           http://www.cio.com/research/erp/edit/erpbasics.html --scotsman
        \_ I realize these are not definitions, but expanding the
           acronyms should help you anyway:
           CRM = Customer relationship management
           ERP = Enterprise resource planning
        \_ ERP = everything a company does except what it does
        \_ ERP is sort of a tracking system for "resources" your internal
           processes use.  Both of these things are more of a layer of
           software than a single application, and usually involve software
           components knit together with a variety of databases.  Surf on
           almost anything SAP does and you may get a better feel for what
           those components actually do.                -brain
        \_ Thanks for all the answers, everyone.  I STFW but I never found
           anything that really explained in plain simple English.  --op
2004/3/4-5 [Computer/SW/Languages/Misc] UID:12520 Activity:nil 54%like:12414
4/3     How to write bad documentation.  Pretty funny.
        http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/9/29/104212/112  -John
        \_ My god, this is spot on.  Excellent.
2004/3/4-5 [Computer/SW/Editors/Emacs] UID:12521 Activity:nil
4/3     (setq indent-tabs-mode nil)
        in .emacs has been the best thing I ever did in my 10 years as an
        emacs user. The tabification is just wayyyy annoying. Spaces rule.
        Fuck tabs go space!
        \_ doesn't work for me. When I save I still get tabs. How do I make
           it untabify automatically? Thanks.
        \_ what's wrong with tabs?  do you know using spaces is so annoying!?
           especially when I want to format my code, I have to hit space
           so manytimes.  With tab you get things done quicker.  The best
           practice is to have everyone working on the same file agree on
           the tab space.  Then problem solved.
           \_ you must use a crappy editor. do you use pico or something?
           \_ Please find out what it does before you comment on it.  It still
              lets you hit the TAB key to indent, but it insert spaces instead
              of tabs to the buffer.
                \_ that works for you, but someone else use a different editor
                   will have the pain to space things out.  One used to be
                   able to hit the del button and a tab is erased, now one has
                   to keep hitting space depending how deep the code is at.
                   All the time wasted on hitting the spacebar or the backspace
                   while coding can't be efficient.  Just simply agree on the
                   tab space, one setting and everyone is happy to use their
                   own editor of choice.
                   \_ Only users of a shit editor would have such pain.
                      You don't have to "keep hitting space" either, if you
                      have something like the mode-dependent indents in emacs.
                      Spaces are the common denominator, asking for tabs is
                      asking for special arrangement. In many default tools,
                      and printers, tab widths default to 8 which is ugly,
                      especially when spaces get mixed with tabs.
           \_ I'm with spaceman...tabs are annoying at best to get right,
              spaces are a no-brainer and always work. Just hope the editor
              you use lets you substitute the right number of spaces for
              a tab.
              \_ As the guy above noted, that's exactly what this command
                 does in emacs.
                 \_ Yes, but I'm talking more about an editor-agnostic
                    environment (i.e., not everyone using emacs).
                    \_ many other fine editors support this too. if you want
                       to drive a scooter on the freeway and complain about
                       how everyone is going so fast, well...
2004/3/4-5 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:12522 Activity:nil
4/3     Does MANPATH need to point to where man.conf is?  If I have my on
        man pages...
        \_ when I do man ls, I got this error message:
           "Warning: cannot open configuration file /etc/man.config
            No manual entry for ls"
            \_ They probably meant /etc/manpath.config, and no, it doesn't
               have to, but it might be good practice to script something that
               pulls from it to build your initial MANPATH before (or after)
               including your own. --scotsman
        \_ unsetenv MANPATH. ie, you shouldn't have one.
           \_ idiot, he has his own personal man pages. sheesh. read.
              \_ btw, I took it upon myself to ask root to add ~/man as
                 an optional_manpath in manpath.config. --scotsman
2004/3/4-5 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:12523 Activity:high
4/3     How come *man* suddenly doesn't work anymore?  What has changed?
        Has the env path been changed?
        \_ Correct problem reporting protocol:  Say what you tried doing.
           Say what didn't happen.  Say who you are so we can see what
           your environment is.  Oh, and mail root.  --scotsman
        \_ Look to thine own self.
           \_ it used to work.  I haven't done any env changes.
              \_ i love how you're totally unspecific about what the
                 problem is. care to give any details whatsoever?
              \_ For this i must respond: "works fine for me!"
        \_ echo $MANPATH.  You should get "Undefined variable".  If it
           is defined, type in unsetenv MANPATH (csh/tcsh).  MANPATH
           should not be defined on soda.
           \_ What's the reasoning behind this?  MANPATH should _not_ be
              defined?  I have MANPATH set; the system's defaults + the
              man pages I installed under my own directories.  And
              my `man` works just fine.
              \_ until the system defaults change.  Almost all "man" problems
                 are due to outdated MANPATH variables.  -tom
                 \_ I understand this.  But not having it set means "man"
                    would be unable to find user-installed man pages.  So
                    I would think the solution should be keeping one's
                    MANPATH up-to-date with system's defaults, no?  -not
                    UNIX admin
                    \_ You have to set MANPATH if you want user-installed
                       man pages, but almost everyone who breaks man by
                       setting MANPATH isn't really using a MANPATH (likely
                       including the original poster).  If you're using it,
                       keep it up to date and don't ask stupid questions on
                       the MOTD.  -tom
                        \_ haha...I agree it was my fault for setting the
                           MANPATH and forgot about it.  But the very reason
                           I set the MANPATH variable then was because *man*
                           didn't work then, so setting it helped.  Now I
                           totally forgot about such a variable, and have
                           no clue how come it suddenly doesn't work again.
                           not until someone mentioned not to set the variable
                           I would still have no clue why it didn't work. -op
                           \_ "\_ it used to work.  I haven't done any env
                              changes."
                              Music to tech support's collective ear.
        \_ This is a common problem among senior citizens.  The solution is
        \_ This is a common problem amoung senior citizens.  The solution is
           a prescription of Viagra.
           \_ haha, gosh, you guys are horrible.  Only one guy offered a good
              solution--the echo $MANPATH
              \_ Haven't worked tech support before, huh?  Someone who waves
                 their arms and says "THIS ISN'T WORKING!  FIX IT!" is going
                 to accomplish nothing but annoy those who might be able to
                 help. --scotsman
              \_ bad questions usually get bad answers. go figure.
                \_ obviously it wasn't a bad questions.  Someone who has
                   a real clue was able to give the answer. I thought
                   the question was really clear.  It asked why didn't
                   it work when it used to be without any change in user's
                   environment.  If you know what is going on.  It would
                   suggest you look into the MANPATH env variable.
                   \_ That someone guessed at your problem and hit doesn't
                      obviate your question's shortcomings.  If they hadn't
                      actally addressed your problem, you would have gone away
                      thinking "huh, what idiots..." when you really need to
                      look inward. --scotsman
                      \_ why do you insist your less problem solving ability
                        is the questions fault? =)  Question asked "what have
                        changed? has the env path been changed?" If you know
                        what's going on, would that tip you that yeah, maybe
                        it didn't work because the MANPATH was wrong!???
                        One thing I can agree with you is that, Idiots think
                        others are idiots.
                        \_ I can't make you take good advice.  If you like
                           making things harder, I guess that's your
                           prerogative. --scotsman
                        \_ I agree with this person in spite of his poor
                           English. tom and scotsman are just being pompous
                           assholes.
                           \_ Seriously, grow up a little, then come back to
                              the conversation. --scotsman
              \_ gigo
        \_ Nothing has changed. The man pages are in /usr/local/man,
              solution--the echo $MANPATH
           /usr/X11/man and /csua/man as always. You are just an idiot.
2004/3/4-5 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:12524 Activity:nil
4/3     How ofter does soda change the root password? I'm asking because
        soda is like a big cheese, it's got a lot of holes and god know
        who (esp. the old guys) still has access to it.
        \_ what do you mean by the old guys?
           \_ he means the ancient sobs that were either given or stole the
              root password over the years.  that's about 90% of the user
              base from pre-2001.
                \_ That's what I love about the motd--differentiated,
                   informed opinions.  -John the Old Sob
2004/3/4-5 [Uncategorized] UID:12525 Activity:nil
4/3     Oh SOB erased the MANPATH debate.  It was going so well.  Why not
        get rid of something boring like that "fooled by a spam" thread
2004/3/4-5 [Computer/SW/Unix] UID:12526 Activity:nil
4/3     Hey doing a *who | grep mjm* shows:
        mjm              ttyDe    Mar  4 00:16 (66.27.28.194)
        mjm              ttyDm    Mar  3 00:29 (66.27.28.194)
        mjm              ttyEd    Mar  4 16:40 (129.4.34.90)
        but *finger mjm* says no such user.  What kinda user account is that?
        Does he have special previlege or something?
        \_ ~/.nofinger  or some such.
           \_ nice, thanks.
              \_ can I ask why you're fingering me?
2004/3/4-5 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:12527 Activity:kinda low
4/3     Nader voters make the difference between Bush & Kerry victory if
        the election were held today.
        http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040304/D813PD7G1.html
        \_ uh oh, Bush just started campaigning today.. that means
           it's over already..
           \_ It ain't till the fat lady sings and she hasn't even
              showed up on stage yet.
              \_ But... but... But then what will all the motd know-it-alls
                 do until August?!?!
             \_ you mean it aint over until the supreme court hands the
                election over.
                \_ Give it a rest.  And format your posts twink.
                   \_ Restore the rightful winner, and we'll talk. And
                      learn how to use commas, buck.
                      \_ Apostrophe's, not comma's.  -John
                      \_ Proof-p
                      \_ oh dear god, we've been over this so many times. no
                         matter how the press counted and recounted after gore
                         lost.  that's your lefty press that was dying to find
                         a story there.  there wasn't one.  move on.
                         \_ K1N6 60R3 15 T3h R1t3f00l w1nn3R!!~!@@@@#!!!!!!
2004/3/4-5 [Uncategorized] UID:12528 Activity:nil
3/4     what is the cash street value of a handheld cell phone jammer?
        \_ $16
2004/3/4-5 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:12529 Activity:nil
3/4     Anyone get fed up with an unrewarding high tech career and try
        changing to something completely different?  How'd it go?
        \_ Friend quit a security job at Warburg in London to teach diving
           in Bali.  His flight was to leave the morning that the bombs
           went off.  I'm not doing anything totally different (I enjoy what
           I do too much) but got so sick of companies and politics that
           I went consulting.  I have a good network, I like the people I
           work with, and aside from the occasional attack of nerves over
           finances, it's great.  I think if you're intelligent, single and
           don't have many debts, the sky's pretty much the limit in whatever
           you do.  -John
        \_ I'm a pilot flying turbo props in the midwest. i make peanuts
           now but will make more in 10 years.
        \_ What kind of tech career do you have that would prompt such
           a response? I mean, seriously, unless you are in a totally
           crappy work environment tech jobs are much much better than
           menial work. It certainly is better and more interesting than
           most marketing/sales jobs, and it certainly is much much better
           than menial jobs such as running a restaurant. I guess maybe
           you've never had it really tough or you don't actually have
           a passion for technology. -williamc
           \_ just the idea of getting away from people who are so fucking
              assanine that they think all non-tech jobs are "menial"
              is a great reason to consider getting out of tech.
              fortunetely as a non-software tech guy i don't have to work
              with fucktards like you on a daily basis.
                \_ Yur inglis skils ar probly te reson yu stil not geting
                   menial job yu want so mush.
        \_ i'm doing great in the sanitation department.
           \_ ^sanitation^homeland security
              \_ I'm doing great in the homeland sanitation department
                                    - hate arabs
        \_ parents dropped out and started two candy companies, friend
           dropped out and started a cafe.  Both are more work and more
           freedom.                             -brain
           \_ freedom is relative.  there's a local guy running a burger joint
              who did the same thing.  he works harder than i ever did and
              makes less.  what freedom?  he doesn't even have his own
              weekends.
        \_ I'm quitting my high-tech job to become a Professional Poker Player
2004/3/4 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA] UID:29938 Activity:high
4/3     What is going on here?  Is csua under some major hack?  I keep getting
        some email from noreply@Berkeley.EDU with subject as email disabling..
        email utilization, etc.
        \_ Virus. Sigh.
2004/3/4 [Computer/Companies/Yahoo, Politics/Foreign/Europe] UID:29939 Activity:nil 80%like:12517
4/3     http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=9&u=/nm/20040304/od_nm/life_britain_surgery_dc
        The british people ARE ugly!!!
2004/3/4 [Science/Space] UID:29940 Activity:nil
4/3     I wrote a script that does a ps to see if my sysadm is doing
        top or is logged into my machine so I can kill the setiathome
        process. What are some other ways he could check to see if I'm
        running something heavy? I've thought about "ssh machine ps aux"
        because it's too fast for my ps to grep, what else?
        \_ Why not run   setiathome -nice 20
                \_ because he said he doesn't want anything to do with
                   seti, period, end of conversation.
        \_ It's only a matter of time before you get busted so instead of
           wasting your time on 'sneaky' scripts that only compound your guilt,
           you're better off either job hunting or coming up with whatever lame
           excuse you'll need to make when caught violating system policy.  Why
           do the users always think they can 'get away' with stuff?  Seti is
           the lamest reason I can think of for making trouble for yourself. If
           you don't own the hardware, the net, and don't pay for it then you
           have no business fucking around on it.
        \_ rename the executeable something like "top" or "matlab", run it,
           then remove the executeable file.
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