3/3     Is this for real?
        http://www.promisedland.com  -John the signed idiot motd racist

3/3     Jesus, Freeper Guy, why not just put a link to free republic's main
        site and caption it, "DEAR GOD!  THE LIBRULS ARE RUINING THE COUNTRY,
        OH WOE!"  and save the space.
        \_ I think he's doing a fine job. Seeing those links day after day,
           I'm converted. Hey Freeper, what do we do about this shit? Should
           I buy a firearm and sign up somewhere? Lead us! -freeper #1 fan

3/3     Is there an alternative to AAA for roadside assistance coverage that
        doesn't lobby the state to build more freeways?  I want the towing,
        I don't like AAA's political agenda.  Thanks.
        \_ 21st Century includes towing with their insurance.  Others might.
           \_ I have towing with Amica but the service sucks hard compared to
              AAA. Waits typically three times as long and sulry second rate
              service from whoever eventually shows up. -- ulysses
        \_ I have never heard of this, do they want more highway
           maintenance, or more freeways?  Where can you build more freeways
           in california?  are you talking about private toll roads?
           \_ My aunt works for them, and she's mentioned some stuff like this.
              http://betterworldclub.com/memberbenefits/AAA/AAA_record.htm
              http://betterworldclub.com/newsroom/articles/Harpers_May2002.htm
              It's not terrible stuff they do, they're not Enron-- more like
              AARP, selling out but trying to maintain a good rep.
              \_ How does the roadside (car) asssistance plan compare to AAA
                 in terms of service quality?
        \_ The RAC but you have to wear a coat and tie to get into the
           clubhouse.  -John
        \_ Most car dealerships offer roadside assistance programs with their
           cars.  Also, many insurance companies offer it with their coverage.
           \_ 9 out of 10 times it's subcontracted through AAA
        \_ http://www.betterworldclub.com
           Endorsed by Car Talk.
        \_ I thought AAA is better than other insurance provider because it's
           non-profit.
           \_ Actually, I've heard from a couple of folks that AAA insurance
              sucked, especially given how expensive it is. Low quality service
              following an actual accident was the complaint in both cases.
              BTW, Amica being a "mutual insurance company" is also not-for-
              profit.
           \_ the part of AAA doing roadside assistance  is different than the
              insurance part.

3/3     Political Ghost story,...Creepiest Kerry Flip-Flop Yet
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/10905136/posts
        \_ Our friend the Freeper!  Posts stupid shit, so you don't have to!
                \_ Yea http://opinionjournal.com is a rag... you better stick
                   with the color bar graphs in USA Today.
                   \_ Dude, the wall street journal editorials are one step
                      up from the new york post.  One very small step.
                        \_ Either the event took place, as reported by
                           New Republic, or it didn't, dude.
                           \_ Yeah remember when they repeated the Kerry
                              intern rumors? Sorry their credibility is
                              quickly going down the toilet.
                              \_ Kerry fucked some 23 year old.  So what?
        \_ Posting a FreePer link is lame, but editing that link so's it
           goes nowhere is even lamer.
                \_ fixed
        \_ Thanks for reminding me what a partisan hack GOP outfit the
           WSJ has turned into. I just cancelled my subscription. -ausman
           \_ I'm sure they care.
           \_ The humanity!! Well I you should cancel your subscription
              to the New Republic while you are it because they reported
              it first.

3/3     If a public library blocks outgoing internet traffic on all ports
        except 80 and 443, originating from patron's laptops located on
        the library's network, are they violating the free speech rights?
        Seems wrong that I can download tons of porn w/o restrinction, but
        I can not SSH to soda. Do you know of any cases about this? Seems
        just as constitutionallly problematic as web content filtering.
        \_ It's not unconstitutional for them to use a filter, it's
           unconstitutional for Congress to require them to use one.  It's
           unconstitutional to filter traffic on an internet connection you
           own, but as the library is giving you a service, they can place
           whatever limits they want on it.
           \_ As a taxpayer, don't I have more of a right to open internet
              service through a public library than through a commercial
              ISP that I clearly do not own.
              \_ Your rights to an internet connection through an ISP are
                 regulated by your contract and AUP.  The government can't
                 censor that speach.  You have no 'right' to use a library
                 internet connection.  You have a right to non-discriminantory
                 access to taxpayer resources, but the extent of resources
                 provided to taxpayers is not gauranteed to be unlimited.
                 There have been no laws passed saying all taxpayers in your
                 jurisdiction have rights to internet access.  In the case of
                 such a system, like what's being built in Utah, users would
                 have constitutional protection of how they use the connection.
        \_ csua runs a port 80 redirector to soda:22 for people stuck behind
           such idiotic "security" setups. So quit yer whining and just
           ssh to scotch.csua port 80
           \_ Thanks for your attitude and your help.
              \_ He gave you what you needed to know without bashing your
                 whiney ass too much.  Free speech?  To port 22?  Sheesh.
                 \_ "porn" = "free speech"  seems no more absurd.
                 \_ I don't think op was being sarcastic.  He needed the
                    attitude he got, and he was grateful for it. [formatd]
              \_ advice with attitude. I like it.
        \_ first, how is the library violating /your/ free speech rights by
           restricting the material you can retrieve?  free speech, not free
           access.  second, would you also argue that the library not carrying
           a book you're looking for is also a violation of your rights?
           \_ "not carrying a book" = "not having net access".  If they have
              a book and refuse to let me see it, that seems like a better
              analogy. I see no valid reason to block port 22. justify it.
              \_ It's not a free speech issue.  If you want a justification,
                 you should be asking the library, not the motd.
                 \_ Yeah, good point. I've already done that, and while
                    I'm waiting to hear back from them, I thought I'd
                    get some additional info from the smart folks on soda.
                    Thanks for your opinions and ideas.  -complete idiot
              \_ Are you really this stupid?  -tom
                 \_ justify it
                    \_ I don't have to justify it, and neither does the
                       library.  You don't have a right to port 22 access;
                       you're being completely obtuse.
                       And anyway, it's easy to justify--keeping kids from
                       getting the library into trouble.  -tom
                         \_ maybe they should just unplug their net.
                            \_ maybe you're a complete idiot.  -tom
                                \_ yeah, maybe.

3/3     Apparently if you put the word "school" in it, people will vote for any
        bond measure.  I hope I never hear Democrats whining about fiscal
        responsibility.  I certainly won't care about that whining any more.
        Thanks for voting yes on 55, $12B for the schools with $12B in
        interest.
        \_ dude, school funding is traditionally funded by bonds.  It is the
           way it has always worked.  The other 15B in bonds are the ones you
           should be grumpy about.
           \_ Oh I'm grumpy about both of them.  How long has this been
              tradition?  10 years?  Since the lottery?  My point was that in a
              year where we need to cut spending, a huge bond was passed.  The
              $15B bond at least has the facade of buying more time to balance
              the budget.
              \_ Go ahead and be grumpy. You got yer contra costa county
                 walmart didn't you?
                 \_ I don't live in CC so I couldn't vote against it, thanks.
                 didn't you?
           \_ Incorrect. Traditionally school funding came from property and
              income taxes. Large improvements (not maintenance) were funded
              by bonds. However, it takes an ubermajority to raise taxes, so
              the cheat is creating a bond and paying it via fees.
        \_ There's nothing inherently irresponsible about bond financing;
           as with a mortgage, you get the cash up front in exchange for
           paying more over time, the idea being that you can get greater
           value out of having the cash now.  As long as state revenues
           continue to rise, there shouldn't be anything wrong with bond
           issues (within reason).  -tom
           \_ This is the first time a bond has been issued to pay for past
              daily expenses and not a special specific project.  This is a
              nightmare precident.
              \_ Precedent. Also alarming is the size of the bond issue.
                 It's one of the largest ever issued anywhere. How
                 liberals can whine about $15 billion in bonds for money
                 we've already spent and yet vote to put $15 billion more
              \_ You are confusing the two different bonds. Start another
                 thread if you want to talk about the Gropinator's
                 bailout bond.
                 \_ Oh yeah, sorry.  Ok, back to school bonds: more waste tax
                    pay dollars down the drain into the educational beaurocracy
                    never to be seen again.  After the educational system is
                    completely reformed we can talk about putting more money in
                    it if necessary.
           issues (within reason).  -tom
           \_ how about issuing bonds in one hand, and got rid of license
              tax on the other hand?
              \_ This sort of ridiculousness is no more than you can expect in
                 a system that basically mandates fiscal governance by ballot
                 since the legislature has its hands tied by the supermajority.
                 But hey! Smile! the legislature can never increase taxes on
                 you and you can still blame them for CA's budget problems when
                 you're done blaming the governor.
              \_ It's hard to justify giving a $4 billion handout to the
                 well-off in difficult budget times.  -tom
           \_ It's irresponsible to take on a new mortgage when you are already
              drowning in debt.  Refinancing at least makes some sense.
        \_ I agree that the bond was stupid. This is for local districts
           to address. In fact, many of them had Measures on my local
           ballot. The money is better spent when it is is raised and
           spent locally.
        \_ Does anyone else just vote against all propositions on general
           principles?  Its a terrible way to make laws.
              nightmare precident.
                 on the credit card is beyond me.

3/3     How do I find out the size per block on my Linux machine? For example
        even if I have a file size of 1, how big is it really taking? Thanks.
        \_ stat(1) should give you this information
           \- bsd has statfs() which returns f_bsize long in the statfs struct.
              i dont know what AssOS does but haybe they have this too. --psb
                \_ linux has statfs(2) as well. AssOS, must remember that,
                   I usually see it referred to as L1NSUX.
                   \_ boy those are both really clever.

3/3     Dear Intel: Prescott is a Dog.  AMD64 kicks your ass.  Thank you for
        playing anyway!
        \_ Okay, we all know that Prescott runs 90 watts plus, but can
           you provide a URL comparing performance of an AMD CPU vs. a
           Prescott, in the $150-$250 price range of CPUs?
           \_ Come on, try harder.  Prescott isn't in that price range.
              The 3.2ghz is $278, the 3.4ghz is $417.  It might do alright
              in benchmarks thanks to its cache improvements, but my
              2.4ghz Northwood feels "snappier," and the AMD64 eats it for
              breakfast.
              \_ You need to start giving people a little more credit.
                 Prescott is in this price range.  http://csua.org/u/69f
                 I just had to build a system last week for someone (it
                 was not a Prescott, but I looked at it), and the CPU I chose
                 was $183.  I also see the Athlon 64 3000+ for $211.  Are
                 there any diffs between the 3000+ and 3200+/3400+ other
                 than clock frequency?  (Oh, I do see the increase in L2
                 cache from 512 KB to 1 MB; that must be why the 3200+ is
                 $270.)
                 \_ 3000 -> 3200 = +cache.  3200->3400 = 3000+cache+clock.
                    \_ thx.
           \_ anandtech to the rescue
              http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1956&p=23
              \_ For some reason, this link just takes me to the completely
                 useless site http://www.up-d8.com
                 \_ oops, spelling fixed
        \_ Does someone have power dissipation / thermal design power data
           for any of the AMD 64 CPUs?
           \_ Answering my own question:  http://csua.org/u/69h
              FYI, the system I built last week was a Pentium 4 2.8C (800 Mhz
              system bus, HT) with an Envision 360W power supply and an ATI
              Radeon 9600 SE with an Asus P4P800 mobo.  SATA 160 GB Hitachi
              drive.  It uses 75-80 watts idle, and 135-140 watts playing a
              3D game.
                \_ how did you measure this?

3/3     When calculating the net worth of a person far from retirement, why is
        the balance in his/her 401k account included?  That money hasn't been
        taxed and can't be withdrawn without a penalty.  Thx.
        \_ Because it is part of your net worth? If you have $30 million
           in your IRA but no other assets should your net worth be $0?
        \_ With penalty and taxes, there's still a net worth.  It's not like
           penalty and taxes would negate everything you have.
           \_ No, just most of it.
        \_ penalty shouldn't be deducted, taxes should, in my opinion.
           \_ Why? If you own $4 million in stock or in property or cars
              or any other asset it is still $4 million worth. You might
              pay tax when you sell and you might pay transaction fees, too.
              That has nothing to do with the worth of those assets.
              \_ I should say the part that's the deferred income tax.
                 \_ How do you know what they may be? It could be zero if,
                    say, capital losses offset it when you withdraw. It
                    could be much more than now if your income goes up a
                    lot. Net worth is net worth and figuring out the best
                    way to get income out of that is a different problem.
                    \_ It's an ever-changing number, genius.  If your stock
                       has a certain value on the market today, that's the
                       value today and part of your networth today.  If
                       tomorrow your stock tanks and goes to zero, then you
                       recalculate your net worth.  Please tell me you're not
                       a Cal student or alum.
                       \_ Please tell me where what you said contradicts
                          what I said. Obviously, net worth is calculated
                          at a given point in time, genius.
                          \_ I didn't.  Someone has been maliciously editing
                             and moving stuff.
                    \_ how exactly do they calculate capital gains and
                       income tax when one starts withdrawing at retirement?
                       can one withdraw everything at one go?
                        \_ if you want to pay the highest taxes possible, yes

3/3     my Executive VP told us that there is no such thing as a float
        for pre-ipo company and that getting millions of dollars in funding
        last round doesn't dilute our stock options since we aren't a
        public company. He said there is no dilution and no float for
        pre-ipo companies and that when we ipo we'll all get around
        $10 a share anywayz. is this a twink or what?
        \_ He's a twink. Additional rounds of financing dilutes shares.

3/3     I feel like messing with Scheme. I forgot all my CS61A. Do we have
        a scheme program here, and how do I run it?
        \_ type 'scm'
           \_ thanks.
        \_ if you want to dabble in common lisp, you can download an
           evaluation version at http://www.franz.com
           \_ Or use a free high quality implementation: cmucl (type
              lisp on soda).  Bigloo is a good scheme implementation.
              You can also try that kooky french language, ocaml. -- ilyas
              \- "I think it is time we demonstrate the full power of this
                 lisp station" --psb
                 read-eval-print.lbl.gov.  12H IN A  128.3.11.69

3/3     Eighteen-year-old Tricia Taylor of Detroit was in
        court in December 2002 to hear the plea of the
        illegal alien who caused her to lose both legs above the knees.
        http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html
        \_ Looks like an anti-immigrant web site disguising itself as anti-
           illegal-immigrant.  Check out the home page.
           \_ I don't think the idiot that keeps posting this crap can tell
              tell the difference.  He's got to be autistic or something.

3/3     Bush is going to win California.. hahahahhaha:
        http://csua.org/u/69o
        \_ Uhm, this state used to vote heavily (R).  Nothing says it can't
           switch back.  The (D) take too many people for granted.
        \_ Schwarzenegger is a democrat fool
        \_ California won't forgive Bush for Enron.  CA as a battleground is
           a pipe dream.
           \_ It's March, don't start making predictions until August, fool.
              Remember, Bush upset Gore in 2000, he did the impossible in
              2002 by actually increasing the number of Republicans in
              the legislature during an interim election year, and who
              would've thought that the recall would work and Arnie would
              be governor? And remember, a solid majority within california
              voted Republican in the last election.
              \_ Bush will win California when monkeys fly out of Arnold's ass.
              \_ Are you the same guy that predicted three months ago that Bush
                 would take California?
           \_ More like a Freeperdream.

3/3     Business casual porn: http://www.area29.com/sfwporn

3/3     /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11
        What is wrong? I've included /usr/X11R6/lib and still no luck...
        \_ if you included the actual command line and OS details, maybe
           someone could give a more helpful response.
        gcc -nostdlib `./prefix-args -Xlinker  -R/usr/X11R6/lib -z nocombreloc -\
L/usr/X11R6/lib` -o temacs pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o dispnew.o\
frame.o scroll.o xdisp.o xmenu.o window.o charset.o coding.o category.o ccl.o cm\
.o term.o xfaces.o xterm.o xfns.o xselect.o xrdb.o fontset.o emacs.o keyboard.o\
macros.o keymap.o sysdep.o buffer.o filelock.o insdel.o marker.o minibuf.o filei\
o.o dired.o filemode.o cmds.o casetab.o casefiddle.o indent.o search.o regex.o u\
ndo.o alloc.o data.o doc.o editfns.o callint.o eval.o floatfns.o fns.o print.o l\
read.o abbrev.o syntax.o unexelf.o mocklisp.o bytecode.o process.o callproc.o re\
gion-cache.o sound.o atimer.o doprnt.o strftime.o intervals.o textprop.o composi\
te.o md5.o terminfo.o lastfile.o vm-limit.o ../oldXMenu/libXMenu11.a -L/usr/X11R\
6/lib -L/project/tom/lib -lX11 -lncurses -lm -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/crtn.o
        \_ various "maybes": try -lx11; are you getting the error at compile
           time or runtime (if latter, man ldconfig); reduce it to a
           a smaller testcase (find some small source file that uses X
           and compile that); find out what exactly your X lib is called
           (the errors says that it can't find "-lX11", not "X11" so maybe
           it's interpreting it incorrectly.

3/3     Is there a difference between a solution being "basic" and it
        being "alkaline"? I always believed that both meant the solution
        had a pH greater than 7.
        \_ Amazing.  You're right.

3/3     What's the best way to incrementally merge files? merge and merge3
        assume you have a main file, then branch, the merge. I want something
        that merges (adds) incrementally. Thanks.
        \_ You want a merge tool that really understands branhes. If you are
           just developing locally prcs will do what you want. If you are
           working with a remote repository you want use a tool like bitkeeper
           that understands branches well. A possible alternative is to create
           a local prcs repository from you remote repository, import the
           merges and then export them back to the remote repository, but I
           have no idea if this will work well or not. --twohey

3/3     I'd like to separate my living room to make it into a room. However
        I don't want to put studs+dry walls as my landlord may not like it.
        What are other alternatives that gives you good separation (visually
        real looking walls vs. paper ones) and is not too permanent? Do they
        have thin materials that look good? Thanks.
        \_ home depot.
        \_ cubicle walls
        \_ I like nice Japanese paravans but they don't give you a "real"
           wall.  -John
        \_ I created temporary walls that used a simple system of bolts to stay
        \_ I create temporary walls that used a simple system of bolts to stay
           wedged into the ceiling without leaving a mark. Email me if you want
           details. It worked very well, though I doubt it was earthquake safe.
           During the boom, I sublet out the resulting space so that I could
           details. It worked very well, though I doubt it was earthquake safe.
        \_ Tall cabinets.
           manage my own exorbitant rent.
            -- ulysses

3/3     So I've compiled emacs 20.X and emacs 21.X and found out that 20.X
        with X is MUCH MUCH zippier than 21.X. Why is that?
        \_ they both work fine for me, unless you're MUCH MUCH more
           sensitive about zippiness than me.
        \_ tradition.  higher version # always = more bloat.

3/2     Is it normal for a public library to restrict outgoing laptop access
        to port 80 and 443 only?  All others "filtered".

3/3     [repost from old thread]
                       \_ How long does it take to get to the station and find
                          parking in the morning?
                          \_ There are always more than a hundred empty spaces
                             in the parking structure even at 9am everyday.
                             \_ Which parking lot are you at?  If I'm not there
                                by 8:30, it's completely filled.
        new response --->       \_ Hayward BART.
        \_ Cool, thanks, I was wondering about that after someone obliterated
           yet another useful thread.

3/3     HAHAHA.  This virus mail was funny enough that I had to share:
        Dear user of http://Berkeley.EDU,

        Your e-mail account  will be disabled because of improper  using  in
        next three  days, if you are still  wishing  to  use it, please,
        resign your account information.

        Pay attention on attached file.
        ["attached file" is something called Document.zip]
        \_ Kind of interesting to see a worm combined with a phishing scam.

3/3     *This* is the absolute best reason I've seen yet for why gay marriage
        should not be allowed to happen.
        http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/169838p-148291c.html
        \_ Obviously you missed this fine example of why even heterosexual
           marriage is doomed:
           http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004060632,00.html
           \_ obtheDudeIsGay
              \_ So what? If marriage is between a man and a woman, lots of
                 gay guys will still get to marry their fag-hags.

3/2     [ no, really.  My entry was in /usr/motd.  Fuck you. ]

3/3     Sheeeiit.  Check http://yahoo.com frontpage.  William Hung be now one uh de top
        foe searches, along wid "fantasy baseball, "passion uh de christ,"
        and "paris hilton."  Go Bill.  Right On!
        \_ WTF do sucka's care about paris hilton?  Does she even gots' talent?
           \_ Sheeit, she gots'ta at least *one* talent.
              \_ If that's considered talent, yermom's a superstar.
              \_ Did you see her 'film'?  No talent even sucking cock or taking
                 a cock up her ass.  That was the most boring pr0n I've ever
                 seen.  She should leave it to the professionals.
                 \_ Up her ass?  I've only seen the /csua/tmp one which shows
                    it up her pussy.
                    \_ It's not the insertion loss that matters, it's the
                       standing wave ratio.
                    \_ She's flexible.

3/3     Um, outsourcing is most definitely good. Get an education,
        then report back if you still think outsourcing is bad for
        the American economy.
        \_ Um, only an uneducated simpleton like yourself would assert
           that a major shift in global economics can be framed in the
           context of it being "good" or "bad" for American interests.
           Outsourcing is merely one aspect of a complex global dynamic,
           and the benefits and/or costs of it have yet to be determined.
           --williamc
        \_ It can be good if people elsewhere are doing a better job. The
           Germans and Japanese outsource to the US all the time. On the
           other hand, outsourcing to save a dollar is silly. It depends.
        \_ Not everyone is as lucky.
        \_ Wow, you sure convinced me.
        \_ Look, it's all about REDISTRIBUTION of resources. Look at Women's
           Sufferage. Men were happier before, but now with strong womenazi
           competing with men, we no longer have a lot of pride in what
           we do... They could ditch us anytime they want because they
           have a career and what not. So while they're happier than before,
           and we're not. HAPPINESS (a resource) has been redistributed. If
           you can sum it up, it's all the same. And I'll say the same
           thing with wealth, power, etc. The total sum is the same, the
           distribution isn't.                                  -bdg
           \_ Dude, you're pathetic.  Get some therapy and get over it already.
                \_ Therapy?!?! Therapy costs money, something which I
                   no longer have in abundance thanks to the community
                   property state and a court system that automatically
                   assumes that women are right even when you produce
                   evidence that they are lying because the judges "know"
                   that even if the woman was lying in a specific instance
                   there must be other instances that she can remember or
                   that might come up in the future where you will act
                   like the monster that all members of you sex are.
                   BTW, -bdg is an imposter.
                   \_ Therapy costing money?  You do know what insurance is,
                      don't you?  No wonder she divorced you.  I feel sorry
                      for her.
                      \_ Insurance doesn't always cover these things and not
                         100%.  --BDG #1 Fan!
                         \_ True, but for someone with bdg's issues it ought
                            to be covered.  But he's lame and self-pitying,
                            so no, it's not really an issue anyhow.
           \_ Life is not a sum-zero game.  I also don't think you're the
              real BDG.

3/3     I finally got a judgement from the appeals case! How do I collect?
        \_ Tell us more details.
           \_ Including if the other party has any money.

3/3     Sigh... Why do I find myself agreeing with a slime like Dick Morris?
        http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/19568.htm
        \_ Liberal, shmiberal.  Kerry voted for the Patriot Act and the
           invasion of Iraq.  He's a moderate.  Get over it.  Now Edwards
           wanted to take from the rich and give to the poor, and he all
           but called for a class war.  You want liberal, that's liberal.
           \_ How dare you bring facts into this debate?
           \_ Uhm yeah except now he says it was all a mistake.  Which is it?
              \_ When did he say that? Btw, Bush said you're an idiot.
        \_ If Edwards, Dean, and Clark pull out all of the stops and campaign
           for Kerry, you can kiss Bush goodbye.  If they go all petty and
           divisive on him, however, it's four more years.
           \_ No.  Once it's over, no one ever gives a shit what the losers
              say about anything.  How about Gephart and the others?  Shit,
              I can't even remeber who they are now.
              \_ I think Edwards would be great to have stumping around the
                 south, possibly as a VP.  Clark, Dean et al have faded from
                 the public eye.
        \_ Because you're an idiot?
           \_ if you have something to say I'd respond to it.
        \_ Sandanistas for Kerry 2004!!

3/3     MOTD conservatives:  Which Democratic candidate was the least offensive
        to you?  I'm asking now that the nomination is all but complete so any
        paranoid people can give a straight answer without fear of giving away
        'the secret plan'.
        \_ In Georgia, there was overwhelming Repub and Ind. support for John
           Edwards; that should tell you something.
        \_ Dean was the most acceptible. Clinton was the best; there is no
           way she could have won and such a setback would have shattered the
           democratic party keeping america safe for years.
           \_ I was asking who you liked, not who you think would have lost
              to Bush most easily. --op
                \_ I liked Dean. He was practically a Republican.
        \_ This was answered in depth and is in the archives.  I'm not going
           to restore it for the 15th or so time.
        \_ none of the above.  Can you think of any conservative democrat
           right now?