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| 2004/2/23 [Uncategorized] UID:12354 Activity:very high |
2/22 NYT op-ed on jobs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/23/opinion/23SAFI.html?hp
\- hello this is a far better article, especially for you
parochial, racist, formerly libertarian, nouvelle
protectionists. --psb
http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2454530
\_ Anyone who disagrees with you must be a racist and a
hick. Way to go Partha! That'll bring em over to your
way of thinking right quick! Come back agin, y'all!
\- i didnt say everyone who disagrees with me is
racist and a hick. by parochial i didnt mean
hick but more narrow minded. unable to see things
from other frames of reference. i am refering to
the people happy to let mfgr jobs go, buy foreign
shoes and textiles, didnt have an issue with
irish programmers or mexican farm workers, thought
the steel tarrifs were crazy, but now is having
second thoughts about free trade ... for thee but
not for me. --psb
\_ Well, I doubt they will have the patience for the
analysis on the Economist. It is far easier to
to appeal to the darker side of minds by rousing fear
and anger than invite them to reason. (Protect the
white virgins of this country from being outsourced!)
\_ Can someone explain to me what the contribution of an
economist is to society? From where I'm sitting, they
appear to be researchers who will tell you, yes, that's
cancer, and you're going to die, but won't bother
finding cures or vaccines.
\- a fair question is "what are some significant
contributions to policy formulation from economic
science". well econometric methods are useful if
you believe it is important to have "feedback"
data about the economy. a field like IO may be
usefulto analyze anti-trust issues ... or in general
analysing regulation. financial economists came
up with pricing models, securitization. there is
the threory of international trade and open econ
monetary theory, optimal currency areas etc.--psb
\_ So the purpose of an economist is to provide
insight into how to increase the size and
stability of the economy?
\- well simplifying a lot, normative econ =
how people should behave. descrive = how
people do behave. in the modern age people
would probably say something like "decision
making with an eye to information and
rationality" is at the core of economics
rather than just focusing on money and
production of goods and services. some
economists study crime, gun control,
arms control, addiction etc. --psb |
| 2004/2/23 [Politics/Domestic/911] UID:12355 Activity:nil |
2/22 So my carb sync measure (something that measures the
carburator suction) broke and mercury spilled on the garage (about 50
mL worth) and on my hands. I called 911 and asked if I should
be concerned and they sent 3 guys from the fire
department over in about 10 min. They looked at it, said it was no
big deal, and to just dump the stuff int the trash can. I
asked if I should put them back in the bottle and have them properly
disposed and they said it's no big deal. He even said when he was
a kid he used to touch them and play with them. Is there something
wrong with this picture?
\_ It is not a problem unless you drink it. Highly insoluble.
\_ In HS, a kid broke one and supposedly it cost the school $95 to
get some company to dispose it. It doesn't add up to $15 B in
excess, but it's there. (I'm waiting for the response about the
costs of preventative maintenance) |
| 2004/2/23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Troll, Science] UID:12356 Activity:high |
2/22 Which soda user would you be most interested in reading a blog by?
On movies, social trends, politics, technology etc.
\_ it's a toss between psb and BDG. BTW, can we get whung a CSUA
account?
\_ psb? we get enough of him already.
account? \- join me and let us rule
the blogverse together --parth vader
\_ Can I still sleep with my sister?
-- BDGwalker
\_ psb? we get enough of him already. \- i dont recommed
blogging about it
\_ danh |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Recreation/Computer/Games] UID:12357 Activity:nil |
2/23 I was reading about 321 Studio being sued for their DVD XCopy
software. I've never used it or ever owned a DVD burner, but
I got curious and did some more reading through Google. So
apparently you can't use it to rip PS2/XBox games. Now,
would that be because of technical-related difficulties (e.g.,
it's harder to break the code on these game discs) or legal
concerns (i.e., Sony/Microsoft are more likely to sue us than
Hollywood)?
\_ I don't know about PS2, but there is not problem ripping
XBox games using a DVD burner. In fact with XBox you don't
even have to waste a dvd on the game, you can just rip
the game and then copy it to the Xbox's hd and play it
from there. I do this for all my games since they load
much faster from hd than from the DVD-Rom.
\_ About how many games can it hold?
\_ The 10 gb drive that came with my xbox holds
about 2 games. I've upgraded to a 80 gb drive
and that holds about 15 games.
\_ Do you have any URL that has more information
on how to do this? |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Computer/SW/Graphics, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:12358 Activity:nil |
2/23 So did anyone else notice that Yahoo bought http://gamesdomain.com and turned it into the worst...game...site...ever? \_ couldn't have been that good in the first place. i don't think i've ever heard of it. \_ tr00 g4m3rz would recognize gamesdomain as a non-sponsored, objective, fan-supported game-review site \_ And also one of the first if not the first net-distributed gamer mags - originally an FTP downloaded text file! Does anyone remember when it started? For some reason I'm thinking 92-93ish. |
| 2004/2/23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:12359 Activity:nil |
2/23 How does one reinstate his sorried account? Just go to the CSUA
office?
\_ > /csua/adm/bin/sorry
Your account has been turned off by the soda administration. No specific
information has been recorded on the reason for this deactivation. If
you genuininely do not know why your account has been deactivated, and
would like additional information, send mail to root@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU.
\_ can't answer your question but it would be really cool to somehow
grep /etc/passwd or something and generate a chronological list
of the squishage starting from 1982.
\_ Why do people get sorried? Is it just for hozering, or does
long-term inactivity cause it too?
\_ At times, passwd sniffer/crackers are found on machines around
campus. If a person's login here shows up in those crackers'
logs, we sorry the account. Sorry'ing for hoserish stuff is
pretty rare. For those with access, there's a sorry log going
back to like 1991 or so. --scotsman
\_ where is it located? Can you post it on motd?
\_ See the "those with access"? No. |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Academia/StanfUrd] UID:12360 Activity:nil |
2/23 http://www.yellowmug.com nice OSX shareware and freeware! (unasked for marketing for an old friend and an eecs dude who married a stanford girl) \_ dmg's fail to mount. \_ a stanfurd girl, huh? he'll need all the help he can get! :-) \_ I hear stanfurd girls give the best head. \_ urlP? \_ pixP? \_ No, it's stanfurd guys. \_ Dear god that man abuses the brushed metal look. |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Reagan] UID:12361 Activity:moderate |
2/23 I just finished reading Reefer Madness by Eric Schlosser, the
author of Fast Food Nation. I highly recommend it. Especially since
the big issue of 2004 is jobs and outsourcing. Market forces have
no value or soul. That's why we pay $2 for a pack of strawberries
while the illegal immigrants pick the berries during the day and
sleep underneath a bridge at night. It's a very well researched
book (75 pages of notes and references).
\_ Stalin had a soul and Hitler had strong values.
\_ Pathetic attempt at Godwining a thread - foiled!
\_ Intentional invocation of Godwin's law will not work.
\_ Mocking the op is different from godwin trigger. get a brain.
\_ Strong centralized government has no soul either. -- ilyas
\_ the book doesn't talk about needing a big govt to fix the
problem. I think he wants the public to be aware of the
issue. For myself, I try to shop at Whole Foods as much
as possible. Their stuff is more expensive, but that's because
they pay their employees higher wages and their suppliers also
pay a living wage.
\_ Making the public aware of the issue will not do anything.
People are naturally selfish, and economics are naturally
market driven. So to stop any sort of perceived nastiness
you need to stop natural behavior, which can only happen
with strong government. -- ilyas
\_ It is not an either/or proposition. -ausman
\_ The chapter on marijuana got me thinking - I can't think of a single
sane person I know, liberal or conservative, that thinks the War On
Drugs is a good idea or should continue. So why does our drug
policy remain insane? Schlosser's argument is interesting - since
liberals are perceived as being "soft on crime," the drug issue
was a perfect way for them to appear tough - hence Bill Clinton
had the highest rate of drug incarceration of any president in
history.
\_ Ronald Reagan once remarked that the surest road to immortality
is to be born a government program. This is why the War on Drugs
is still with us. I am not even sure moderate conservatives
support it anymore. Almost no liberal does. -- ilyas
\_ Ronald Reagan also escalated the War on Drugs, especially
marijuana, more than any other president before him. Hell,
he's the one that _created_ the "Drug Czar." Before Reagan
the country was on a slow course towards decriminalization
of marijuana, and in fact 10 states already had. That said
I appreciate the quote. As for who does and does not support
it, it seems that no thinking conservative or liberal does
yet not a single actual elected official will dare to come
out against it.
\_ How many liberals do you know? How many conservatives do you
know? How many others? Have you considered that when you
express your deep felt emotions on a hot button topic most
people who disagree with you yet value your friendship find
it easier to just agree and move on rather than get into a
heated debate and damage or destroy your friendship?
\_ Well, I think that my friends tend to be open-minded and
don't allow things like politics or discussion thereof to
ever "damage" a friendship. Arguments are fun! That said,
I think you'll find a huge spectrum of thinking people are
in firm agreement on this issue, from the Economist to
the Libertarian party to the Green Party to the Cato Institute
and etc. ad infinitum. That's extremely rare, nay unheard of,
yet politicians from both parties just mutter about "the
children" and then hand out more life sentences to nonviolent
drug offenders (who, as Schlosser points out, are merely
engaging in Adam Smith's capitalism at its purest).
\_ exactly what does the president have to do with drug
incarceration?
\_ Are you this stupid? Are you aware of what "federal prison"
is? A "mandatory minimum sentence?" How about the "Drug
Czar?" No, never mind, you're just another clueless motd
nerd.
\_ I could have sworn that laws were drafted by Congress.
\_ And the president signs and executes them. DERR!
And for our next Civics lesson...
\_ The number of drug cases in federal prison is
actually a pretty small percentage. The reason for
the large increase in drug incarcerations is
programs like "three strikes", adopted by many
states in the early 90s, which put such cases in
state prison, and which the President has nothing
to do with.
\_ "Why should marijuana be illegal?"
"Because it's bad."
"Well why is it bad?"
"It's illegal."
\_ second hand Highs
\_ no, because mj makes people stupid and destroys their
initiative which is bad for society.
\_ I know plenty of people who have tons of initiative when
they are mildly high. Anyway, when did stupidmaking mean
illegal? I mean are we going to make Everyone Loves
Raymond contrabrand next?
\_ But why is alcohol legal then while marijuana is banned?
"We tried banning alcohol but prohibition didn't work."
or "Alcohol is a traditional part of our culture, so it's
OK."
\_ Neither. I think it should be.
\_ As does alcohol and TV. Next. -John
\_ Added no value to discussion. Next.
\_ Allow me to explain John's point, since you seem too
stupid to get it yourself: Many things make (some)
people (who overuse them) apathetic and/or tend to
be "bad for society". That, in itself, is not
enough cause to ban them. (Or else we would be
banning many other things as well). Clearly there
is some other reason to ban it, and there are plenty
just none that are reasonable. If you can come up
with some (one?) to demonstrate otherwise, we would
be glad to hear it. -phuqm
\_ How about providing welfare at taxpayer expense
for the tycoons of the prison-industrial complex?
Easy re-election for petty government officials
who claim to be tough on crime but do little
of real use? Oh, wait...you said "reasonable."
Never mind.
\_ I think that's not the reason. Isn't there still a question
as to the health effects of mj? It seems like mj has the
potential to do more lasting harm to ones mental faculties.
\_ No, there's no question; pot has long-term health
effects, different than alcohol but certainly not
any worse.
\_ and not much worse than smoking regular cigarettes.
\_ I know MJ has caused lasting harm to my mental
faculties. Oh, wait, you're not talking about Michael
Jackson. Nevermind.
\_ I'm so sorry. Did Michael Jackson rape you when
you were a child?
\_ right...
\_ [deleted for irrelevance]
\_ Oh my god! Not a discussion! |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Computer/SW/WWW/Browsers, Computer/SW/OS/FreeBSD] UID:12362 Activity:nil |
2/23 Anyone else having problems with firefox .8 on FreeBSD 4.x?
It runs fine, but I get tons of weird warnings, errors,
and assertions being spit out in the xterm that started
firefox. |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Reference/Religion] UID:12363 Activity:nil |
2/23 Who is going to see Passion and why?
\_ I will go. Any movie which has Satan speak in Aramaic has
to be worth my time. -- ilyas
\_ kewl.. i'm going too :)
\_ Hmm. I was planning to wait for the DVD, but now I'm thinking
it would be fun to go wearing an upside-down cross and
eyeshadow. And kind of be a Satan fanboy. I wonder when the
licensed action figures and video games come out?
\_ I am still waiting for schindler's list action figures.
do you know when they will be coming out with those?
\_ Schindler's list slash-fiction
\_ Can I go with you, ilyas?
\_ Sure, come on down to LA. -- ilyas
\_ me. at first, i thought it's going to be another boring
christ movie, but after looking at its website, i thought
it could be interesting, and bring to life what was
described in the gospels, how it was really like, at least
mel's interpretation and imagination of it.
\_ I'm going to go see it so I can dismiss the trolls who post about
it (without having seen it) in the weeks to come.
\_ wow. how much time/money do you spend a year gearing up for
motd flame wars?
\_ It's probably worth watching for its historic value, regardless
of your religious views.
\_ I'll definitely watch it. But I would also watch things like
the 10 Commandments, a movie on the life of Buddha or Mohammed
or the Dalai Lama
\_ Yay, "Little Buddha" and "Seven Years in Tibet"! Hey, does
"Bulletproof Monk" count?
\_ I may go because I look forward to being pissed off at Mel Gibson.
Part of me also wants it to be very controversial so we can rip it
apart and show what a crock all this is.
\_ DVD will be great, should include all the hoopla and
directing and lightning strikes.. |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Security] UID:12364 Activity:nil |
2/23 Sorry I missed the answer to this last week. Reposting...
What's up with these new "high-speed" or "optimized" or
"pick your own buzzword" dial-ups? Are they actually faster?
Do they cache, compress, etc??
\_ They compress uncompressed data (txt, html, etc.) and some may
recompress jpegs to lower quality on the fly. Depending on your
type of usage, them may be signifigantly faster, or useless. YMMV.
\_ http://www.earthlink.net/accelerator/faq
It is sad that the EarthLink web site seems to be slow. |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Politics/Domestic/President/Bush] UID:12365 Activity:nil |
2/23 Bush Administration economist defines McDonald's jobs as
"manufacturing" jobs:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/20/business/20jobs.html
\_ Just wait 'till they figure out how to outsource Big Macs... |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:12366 Activity:nil |
2/23 How big is danh's motd,v file?
\_ danh is maintaining one too? or did you mean mehlhaff?
\_ Mine's big enough that I periodically have to compress it and
archive it, because disk quota was getting in the way of the
archiver. So in fact it's now several motd,v files. -ERic
\_ My motd,v is bigger than your motd,v!
\_ But did you have to buy some herbal remedy from a Spamvertisement
to get it to grow that big?
\_ so who is the Anonymous Not Even Remotely Amusing MOTD Comic?
archive it. So in fact its several motd,v files. -ERic |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Uncategorized/Profanity] UID:12367 Activity:nil |
2/23 [URLS without comment will be deleted]
\_ Um, no really, fuck you.
\_ Um, this has been a policy for quite some time now. Get your
head out of your ass. -!OP
\_ It isn't policy. It is simply something I started to do bc
so many unlabeled links were going to non-worksafe crap.
\_ Actually I like this idea. It helps a lot when I'm archiving
and categorizing important/funny motd entries. Here is another
suggestion. If the URL is less than 60 chars/line, do NOT
use tinyurl and http://csua.org. Thanks. -bdg
\_ there are important motd entries?
\_ Weirdly, there are some people that seem to take this shit
seriously. *rolls eyes, throws up hands*
\_ And fuck you too.
\_ No, no, fuck you. -!OP, !3P
\_ It isn't a 'policy'. It is something I started doing because
I got sick and tired of being sent to non-worksafe links that
screamed shitty music out my speakers at full blast or put
sick shit on my screen for no reason. --first cleaner |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Reference/Religion] UID:12368 Activity:high |
2/23 New Yorker review of Passion of Christ - note that this is a _film_
review people.
http://newyorker.com/critics/cinema/?040301crci_cinema
\_ "This is the most violent film I have ever seen." Roger Ebert
\_ is this really a review or more Gibson bashing?
\_ Its a film review. Inherently its one viewer's opinion.
\_ Hi, I recommend this site for a realistic perspective:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ThePassionoftheChrist-1129941
\_ So it's basically Sunday church for the Kill Bill crowd, yes?
How tempting.
\_ Kill Jesus. Vol 1.
\_ With an exclusive soundtrack featuring hit songs by your
\_ No, it's not a review. He complains that Gibson isn't showing the
good bits of Jesus' ministry, but that was never the scope of the
movie. It's like criticizing the Lord of the Rings for not showing
The Hobbit.
\_ must...supresss...rage...about...portrayal of Faramir's character.
\_ That's a legitimate criticism of the movie though. You
thought the adaptation of the character wasn't good, and the
changes in the movie from the events of the book change the
character. Gibson is only covering the last day of Jesus'
mortal life. He's *not* trying to cover the Sermon on the
Mount.
\_ nerd, you'll get over it. the rest of us can't even identify
the character.
\_ Yes, I'm a nerd. Nerds pick apart those movies like
crazy, and even though many of us like them, we get
pissed about some pretty little details. Those books
are pretty important to nerds, but not as important as the
bible is to christians. If they react the way nerds did
to the LOTR movies, that's probably a good sign actually.
Also, the reason you can't remember who Faramir is is that
they left out or ruined all of his character development
in the movie--that's the point.
\_ I can't identify most of the others either. It was
mostly a bunch of white guys in beards smacking the
bad guys with swords. To say that LOTR isn't quite as
\_ *laugh* are you _still_ recovering from abuse in
highschool? you're old enough to buy a girl if
that's what you need. if you pay her enough you
can even get her to tell all your friends she's
your girlfriend and not an oakland corner hooker.
mostly a bunch of white guys in beards smacking the
bad guys with swords. To say that LOTR isn't quite as
important to you as the bible is to Christians doesn't
paint you in the positive light you think it does.
important to you as the bible is to Christians doesn't
paint you in the positive light you think it does.
\_ Not being able to identify with something and calling
someone a nerd for being able to doesn't make them
nerds, it makes you an idiot. A hostile idiot to
boot, the kind that used to roam high school
playgrounds. You didn't grow up either, like most
of hostile high school idiots did. Sign your name,
idiot, I want to mock you some more in person.
-- ilyas
\_ woah! you had a playground at your highschool?
That rules.
drawn between TPOTC and Korn....
\_ Writing credits goes to...
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0323689
favorite Christian rock band, Faith + 1!
\_ No, it's not a review. He complains that Gibson isn't showing the
good bits of Jesus' ministry, but that was never the scope of the
movie. It's like criticizing the Lord of the Rings for not showing
The Hobbit.
\_ Poor comparison. LOTR had a coherent plot. TPOTC keys on the
imagery of the blood sacrifice (the climax only). What's the
point? Nice people get killed every day by jerks.
\_ The point is to present the sacrifice as written. The context
drawn between TPOTC and Michael Moorcock's Arioch....
is the Gospels. Read them for the backstory, if you don't
know it already. The point is to look at this and say, "He
did this for us. Wow."
\_ I prefer this version of Jesus's life:
http://somethingpositive.net/sp03042002.shtml
\_ interesting contrasts between salon's review soundbites
(http://www.salon.com/ent/col/fix/2004/02/24/tues and
rotten tomatoes' (link above).
\_ 'The depictions in "The Passion," one of the cruellest movies in
the history of the cinema, are akin to the bloody Pop
representation of Jesus found in, say, a roadside shrine in
Mexico, where the addition of an Aztec sacrificial flourish makes
the passion a little more passionate.'
Now _that's_ an evocative review.
\_ Mm, mm, good! Blood for the Blood God!
\_ Hehehehe, we laugh, but there are tremendous parallels to be
drawn between TPOTC and Korn....
\_ Writing credits goes to...
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0323689 |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Recreation/Food] UID:12369 Activity:nil |
2/23 What's a good place in the southbay/Peninsula to get breakfast food?
\_ Stack's is pretty good, in Burlingame, Redwood City, and Menlo Park
Also, Cafe Barone is pretty good, also in Menlo Park.
\_ Stack's sounds good!
\_ I went to Paly. Your breakfast food in PA/MP is Cafe Barone and
Printer's Ink Cafe unless a greasy spoon is your fancy, in which case
Stack's will do you. Hobee's has good coffee cake and the rest of
their stuff is pretty ass. "Would you like an Orange Juice? Small
or large?" --ulysses
\_ Peninsula Fountain & Grill in Palo Alto, Hobee's (a few different
south bay / peninsula locations).
\_ Peninsula serves good breakfast? Sounds like a burger and
milkshake joint. Hobee's might be okay.
\_ they have burgers etc but also breakfast. I recommend the
Caribbean french toast.
\_ Don't you mean freedom toast? Why do you hate America?
\_ Nini's in Burlingame on Bayswater.
\_ Denny's Grand Slam Breakfast!
\_ I think IHOP is way better for what you pay.
\_ No fucking way. Original grand slam breakfast = $2.50
\_ And a $5.00 glass of orange juice, please.
\_ As orange juice is uncaffeinated, I don't bother.
\_are you serious? (some people honestly do like Denny's Breakfast)
\_ Half-serious. It's not that great but it sure is cheap.
\_ The Original Pancake House in San Jose.
\_ My mom makes a killer waffle & bacon combo.
\_ yermom serves an excellent breafast in bed.
\_ yes she does. she said you liked it best with her biggest
black dildo all the way up your butt.
\_ She assured me that was an Italian sausage!
\_ You didn't get suspicious when it hummed and vibrated? |
| 2004/2/23-24 [Uncategorized] UID:12370 Activity:nil |
2/23 My lab machines are idling most of the time, especially on weekends
\_ it's pretty fucking good at 3:30am
and at night. However, my sysadm still wouldn't let me run setiathome.
What is his frigging problem?
\_ You haven't learned anything from reading the motd yet?
Sysadmins are total assholes. They're just defective from birth,
and modern society has given that particular kind of pathological
personality a useful job to do. Hey, it keeps them out of your
yard.
\_ You're downloading random crap and no one has any idea what it
does, but it is on your CPU.
\_ run it anyway, but under a different name, something like
'crack_passwords' or 'important_research_dont_kill'. |
| 2004/2/23 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:29827 Activity:high |
2/23 What we can expect post- gay marriage.
'I'm tired of being forced into the shadows by society'
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1083245/posts
\_ They're still upset that they don't get to keep all the white women.
\_ I'm pro-Gay marriage, and I still have no trouble telling you that
this guy is sick and that his proclivities should never be
legalized. It all comes down to consenting adult human beings.
See how easy it is to differentiate? Now stop whining about how
teh Gay is going to open the floodgates. |
| 2004/2/23 [Academia/Berkeley/CSUA, Academia/Berkeley/CSUA/Motd] UID:29828 Activity:nil |
2/23 None of the current politburo officers post motd regularly (or at
least don't use their names). Has csua lost its tradition?
\_ Current politburo officers have got too many other important
things to do than have pointless arguments in an outdated,
unwieldly online discussion format. Wait til they graduate
and get jobs they can't stand, then we'll talk.
\_ Translation: they're too young and naive to see the one useful
aspect of their club.
\_ *laugh* *chortle* *sputter* Yeah, anyway, I guess they never
have stuff like classes or homework or projects to waste
time on. |
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