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| 2004/2/12 [Recreation/Computer] UID:12216 Activity:nil |
2/11 Having fun tawei? |
| 2004/2/12-13 [Consumer/Shipping] UID:12217 Activity:kinda low |
2/11 What would happen if I accidentally sent something to a U.S. PO Box
using UPS?
\_ it would get returned
\_ if they're feeling real ambitious, they might try to deliver it
to someone with the same name as the addressee. this happened
with some dhl guy.
\_ I have a PO box and UPS drops it off just fine. The postal workers
sign for it and place a note in your box saying you have a package.
\_ So what's the difference between a US PO Box and one you
get from Postal Annex? I'm thinking of getting one because
I move frequently, but I don't know what the advantages/
disadvantages of having a USPO or privatized PO. Thanks.
\_ Since so many people use USPS, your porn is less likely
have been "previewed" than at a private box. Actually
your mail is less likely of falling into nefarious hands
@USPS while Postal Annex is open for more hours.
\_ postal annex will let you put down your address
as an apartment number or unit number or suite
number or whatever instead of a box number
so you can easily deal with assholes who won't
deliver to a po box. That's why i decided to
go with them. That and the fact that i swore
i would never set foot in the fucking berkeley
post office ever again.
\_ I got *great* service there when I started talking
to my friend about how I now understand why so many
people bring high powered weapons into the USPO.
Of course that was pre-9/11. Today I'd probably
get shot instead of fantastic service from the
counter moron's supervisor.
\_ I have a PO Box and I can't use it. Why? Because this stupid
bank of mine says "Due to the Patriot Act we can't mail stuff to
PO Box anymore." However I could still mail credit card bills
so that's cool.
\_ It's not the bank that's stupid. It's the Patriot Act. |
| 2004/2/12 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq, Politics/Foreign/Asia/Others] UID:12218 Activity:high 61%like:10955 |
2/11 Colin Powell losing it: (buh-bye legacy!)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34636-2004Feb11.html
\_ "Losing it" != telling off insolent, disrespectful idiots during a
formal hearing, at which you are expected to conform to rules of
order. It would have been equally correct of Clinton to go off on
someone treating him this way when answering a question posed by some
drooling old congressman about "where he stuck that cigar". -John
\_ yes, but can you give an example where Clinton went off like
that? And if he did, wouldn't you also think Clinton was
on uncertain footing when he did tell someone off?
-anonymous coward & op
\_ Hmm, Colin Powell vs. anonymous adolescent on MOTD in support
of insolent pages and socialists? I'll stick with
member of the lowest profession earth? I'll stick with
Powell thanks.
\_ Powell? Losing it? Racist. I'll bet you've spent time trying to
fabricate dirt on Condi, too.
\_ IMO, he's losing it. I think he's saluting the flag, and getting
pretty irritated at the prospect of the tarnishing of his
reputation from loyalty to Bush. Also, IMO, if you ever find
yourself using the phrase "let's not go there", you've already
Powell thanks.
fabricate dirt on Condi, too.
lost. -op |
| 2004/2/12 [Computer/SW/Editors/Vi] UID:12219 Activity:nil |
2/11 When I do vi-mode, after a while it escapes and returns to emacs
mode. How do I make it stick?
\_ wtf are you talking about exactly?
\_ If you have to ask, you don't know. And don't bother answering.
\_ your question is badly worded in the first place. i guess
you don't realize there are other programs that have both
a vi mode and an emacs mode.
\_ ESC-x vi-mode |
| 2004/2/12 [Computer/SW/Mail] UID:12220 Activity:nil |
2/11 Couldn't get soda's smtp server to work. It complains about
Relaying denied. how to authenticate soda's smtp server? i am using
Mozilla Thunderbird. thx
\_ How to speak chinese properly?
\_ Got milk?
\_ How to posting on soda motd without looking troll? Troll to
getting cookie if hungry smtp server auth? Coming back not
speakings chinglish getting answereds!
\_ is you fat sysadmin?
\_ if you figure this out, post here. |
| 2004/2/12 [Recreation/Dating] UID:12221 Activity:nil |
2/11 Happy Valentines Day:
http://www.petting-zoo.net/pipermail/0xdeadbeef/2004-February/000009.html |
| 2004/2/12 [Uncategorized] UID:12222 Activity:nil |
2/11 Has anyone tried packet radio, is it worthwhile using a hand held
HAM radio or is something less prortable necessary. Could this be a
useful way of checking ones email when on the road (bicycling)?-scottyg |
| 2004/2/12 [Politics/Domestic/Immigration, Politics/Domestic/SIG] UID:12223 Activity:very high 59%like:12209 |
2/11 Sierra Club anti-immigrant?
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/11/MNGRA4U14O1.DTL
\_ If an environmental .org is serious about the environment then yes
it makes sense to be anti-immigrant. In fact it makes sense to be
anti-human. The SC is not a liberal .org, they're an environmental
group. Increasing population density in the U.S. will not in any
way improve the environment here or elsewhere and is going to
destroy a whole lot of it here and elsewhere. Fewer people will
directly lead to a cleaner/safer environment for all planets and
animals.
\_ aren't environmentalists typically liberals?
\_ what is going on inside the SC right now is a fight between
true environmentalists who don't have a broader focus and
liberals for whom the environment is only one agenda item on
the list worth sacrificing for their greater liberal agenda.
I'm with the pure environmentalist crowd as we already have
enough generic liberals but no other serious orgs looking out
for the environment.
\_ I couldn't agree more. It's important for any organization
like that to stay focused. I'm going to take a wild guess
here and say I'll bet less than a quarter of any dollar
given to these jokers gets to any kind of conservation
project. Now Bat Conservation International on the other
hand is, IMHO, a model of how things *should* be done.
http://www.batcon.org
I've been a contributor to and member of BCI for over 10
years, and I can't remember a single time when they seemed
politically motivated in anything beyond the very narrow
scope of their stated mission.
\_ Grow up.
\_ typically yes. But it is not a prereq. Personally I
consider myself a conservative libertarian environmentalist,
but there are people who know me who would argue with each
of those labels.
\_ Then at the very least you have a tension between human
rights, which is the libertarian pet peeve and
'environmental stuff', for which a principled resolution
should exist. Most libertarians would say 'screw the
endangered wetland weed, humans are more important.'
Conservative libertarian makes more sense --
libertarian == rights, conservative == enforcement.
As far as the Sierra Club story, I heard they made some
sort of 'mutual coprosperity pact' with the Hispanic
Caucus (which makes them both unprincipled in my book).
-- ilyas
of those labels.
\_ Every environmental issue is caused by human population growth. |
| 2004/2/12 [Computer/SW/SpamAssassin] UID:12224 Activity:nil |
2/11 What is the efficient soda way to use SpamAssassin? I have
7MB of related files in my home directory, which seems
silly. a big spamassassin file, and then soem big files
in .spamassassin/
\_ ifile
\_ man spam
\_ hey thanks, dickwads. Even more helpful though would
be a direct answer. |
| 2004/2/12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:12227 Activity:nil |
2/11 NYTimes: Vietnam-Era Kerry Saw a Military Led by U.N.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1076555/posts
\_ And over 30 years, one is NOT ALLOWED to reconsider their positions,
dammit...
\_ Do you think "American security" is directly dependant upon
"troops dispersed through the world"?
\_ The UN at the time had a lot more credibility than it does today.
And nice way to misrepresent the article--"dispersed through the
world only at the directive of the UN" != "military led by UN".
Bad troll. -John
\_ formatted
\_ Head hung in shame. -John
\_ They seem equivalent to me. Can you explain the difference?
\_ by the UN and his mistress? man was not meant to live by bread
alone! |
| 2004/2/12-13 [Reference/Celebration] UID:12228 Activity:nil |
2/11 Any recommendation for a place where I can order decent but not too
expensive birthday cake? I would prefer something with real cream,
marron, and not too much sugar. tia.
\_ what about those Chinese bakeries? Or Albertson's/Safeway?
\_ I thought those cakes were not a Chinese speciality. Of course
it not an Ammerican speciality either. Any good "old world"
bakery in the south bay? Maybe I haven't been looking hard
enough, but I have never got a half decent cake with or w/o
a thick layer of marron in a supermarket.
\_ Try Aki's Bakery, on Meridian Ave. in San Jose:
http://www.akisbakery.com -- kahogan
\_ Marron?
\_ castanea sativa
\_ A couple of my friends get cakes from Sogo Bakery:
http://www.222.to/sogo
\_ I had a fantastic Chocolate Buttermilk cake from Icing on the
Cake in Los Gatos (<DEAD>www.icingonthecakebaker.com<DEAD>
\_ Virginia Bakery in Berkeley off Virginia & Shattuck. |
| 2004/2/12-13 [Uncategorized] UID:12229 Activity:low |
2/11 So has the webfeat posting stuck around simply for nostalgic .com
marketing value?
\_ All motd postings are treated according to the following 7-point
rating scale:
KEEP The posting is already sublime in its perfection; nothing
more can be added.
SUPPORT The posting is good; it requires only some followups to
explain and amplify its position.
DISCUSS The posting is reasonable; it needs further analysis and
commentary.
DISPUTE The posting is bad; it requires followups to point out
its errors and fallacies.
CENSOR The posting is so bad that neither it nor any ensuing
discussion will have any value whatsoever; it should be
removed.
MOCK The posting has transcended mere badness and entered the
realm of amusement; it needs to be ridiculed.
KEEP The posting is already complete in its own mockery;
nothing more can be added.
The posting you mentioned qualified for KEEP status, and has thus
been left untouched.
\_ How come there are two KEEPs?
\_ KEEP. (Guess which one it is!)
\_ MOCK. (No guessing needed!) |
| 2004/2/12-13 [Recreation/Celebrity/ParisHilton] UID:12230 Activity:high |
2/12 Full length paris hilton tape released on net: (semi work-safe)
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02122004/gossip/15544.htm
\_ When is someone going to put this in /csua/tmp?
\_ Go ahead. No one else cares.
\_ your ambivalence is emasculating
\_ you really want to see a chick stoned out of her mind
taking it up the ass whole chatting on the phone? i don't
and don't understand why anyone else would. go ahead and
put it in tmp, no one is stopping you.
\_ Sounds like you watched it already.
\_ The 2 minute clip was bad enough. She looked so stoned and fucked
up there was nothing erotic about it.
\_ I thought there was something intriguing about the way she just
lay there talking on the phone like nothing while that guy used
her body, as well as the supposed illicitness of the vid.
\_ "Intriguing?" You sound like a potential sicko voyeur. Best
to check yourself into a mental hospital before you do any
damage.
\_ I think a lot of people are sicko voyeurs. Why all the
hype about this, and the Pamela Anderson thing, etc.?
The vid didn't arouse me but it was...morbidly interesting.
\_ Morbid interest sounds like arousal to me.
\_ Only if you're a necrophiliac.
\_ Note I didn't necessarily say _sexual_ arousal. |
| 2004/2/12-13 [Computer/Networking] UID:12231 Activity:nil |
2/12 Does anyone know much about Juniper Networks router policy? I have
the router configuration for the Internet2's Abeline network
(http://csua.org/u/5z5 and what I want to get out of it is
some sort of DB that will tell me if a given IP is connected
to the network. I've tried looking over Juniper's docs
(http://csua.org/u/5z6 but they all talk about routes and not
hosts. the route-filter command seems to be the most relevant.
Thanks. --jhs
\_ you're not going to get anyting useful out of that configuration
file. What you need is going to be a bgp route dump from the
actual router. |
| 2004/2/12-13 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows, Computer/SW/Unix] UID:12232 Activity:low |
2/11 Are trademark and company names case sensitive?
\_ In what regard? Can you get sued if you sell something under the
name coca-cola instead of the properly capitalized Coca-Cola?
Hell yes. -dans
\_ On the other hand, I think trademarks only apply to a field and
are not a universal license to the word, so you could open a
"Coca-Cola Auto Mechanics" or something. You'd get sued but you
would win if you had enough lawyers.
\_ Yes, that is correct. Trademark exists to protect consumers
from someone trying to fraudulently market a different market
using a similar name or logo. For example, if you produced a
soft drink, and marketed it as Oca-Cola, using Coca-Cola's
signature red stripe or bottle (yes, they trademarked the
bottle), they could sue you into oblivion. -dans
\_ Coca-Cola is a "famous trademark". You cannot even use it
to name your auto repair shop, as of 1996:
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/matters/matters-9904.html
\_ What if I have a name first, then someone else comes along with
a name in different capitalization and I cannot afford a (good)
lawyer?
\_ Are you two in the same field? If so, you don't need a lot of
lawyers, as the case will be pretty cut-and-dry regardless of
capitalization.
\_ I want to know when I register whether I should care about the
capitalization, i.e. can I change the cases of certain letters
later in product/website/doc etc and still claim they are
mine without registering again. -- op
\_ I don't think it's a problem. Microsoft was MicroSoft and
Micro Soft before that...
\_ Will Mike Rowe Soft work?
\_ You could trademark Mike Rowe Soft if it was not doing
business that competed with MS in any way. Given their
diversification, that's getting harder to argue.
\_ Well my business would make innovative new computer
related products so that should be ok.
\_ If the trademark name is fairly obscure, you can get away
with it. Present it as logo variations if the question comes
up. If you're trying to use a minor variation of someone
else's trademarked, there could be trouble.
\_ What about symbols and abbreviations? Is 'and' == '&" ?
And plural vs. singular? What is the rule of this game
anyhow?
\_ Yes, but you should really talk to a lawyer. Asking the motd
for legal advice is beyond idiotic.
\_ Capitalization used to follow simple English rules until the dot-com
era.
\_ eMac, iMac, iPod, blame it on apple. Actually isnt' there a
conflict between eMac the computer and emacs the editor?
\_ MadeUpFactoid: e.e. cummings moonlighted as an EE developing
ARPAnet.
\_ And don't forget punctuation marks, as in "Yahoo!".
\_ There is a UNIX vs. Unix discussion.
\_ I'm naming my company "SuperCo, Whose Stock I Recommend,". |
| 2004/2/12 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:12233 Activity:high |
2/11 Kerry infidelity. fuck
http://www.drudgereport.com/mattjk1.htm
\_ The floodgates are already opening? Why don't they wait for an
actual candidate to be nominated? Or are they that afraid of
Kerry?
\_ Quick update, looks like Drudge just got the wind taken out of his
sails by an email from Craig Crawford. Ah poor Matt, on to the
next unsubstantiated smear.
\_ John Kerry eats babies! You don't support eating babies, do you?
\_ urlP
\_ look on the bright side. if this breaks at the right time, we
could end up with edwards, who would be a stronger candidate
in a general election.
\_ *bwahahahahha* I told you Kerry was a loser candidate with too long
a history. I always thought you guys were insane for backing this
guy and should have put up Edwards. Lucky for you, now you can.
Too bad so many millions have been pissed away on Kerry now. Maybe
Soros will buy the Office for you. --conservative
\_ Its Drudge. Come on. This has about as much credibility as
a third grade schoolyard fight.
\_ But he's a legitimate journalist! He has a hat!
\_ Not to mention the questionable timing what with all the
BushTrouble, the fact that the exact same (false) accusations
came up at almost the same time in '92...sigh...of course
all the wingers will eat it up.
\_ Likely this will end up in the same circular file as the
Jane Fonda "photo expose," which turned out to be complete
hokum as the photo was taken 2 years before she went to
Hanoi...and Kerry had always spoken out against her trip
anyway. Fact is, if the Democrats nominated Jesus himself
the Rovian smear machine would be out circulating proof that
he was actually Satan.
\_ Did you know he healed lepers without a medical license?
And what's the deal with Mary Magdalane? Why aren't they
married? Also he went off walking in the desert for 40
days. Doesn't that seem like he's a wierdo loner?
\_ The democrats will never nominate Jesus. He's too
Christian
\_ That was an inevitable response.
\_ Actually the "render unto Caesar" thing and "give your
money to the poor" thing pretty much insure Jesus would
be smeared by Republicans.
\_ the news drudge releases may be puerile, but I've found them
(with the exception of the worldnetdaily URLs) to be
relevant and truthful. if he continues posting worldnetdaily
quality news, I'll stop going. also, IMO, if these rumors
turn out to be false, then drudge just got tricked, in
a big way. duh. |
| 2004/2/12-13 [Academia/GradSchool] UID:12234 Activity:high |
2/11 A relative in high school is looking for SAT, AP, and other test
prep courses. I'm wondering if any of you took them before getting
into UCB. I didn't take any of those when I was in HS so I don't
know. I heard of Princeton Review and Kaplan and there might be some
smaller neighborhood test prep business. What do you recommend?
Take a course or just get some books with CDs, etc? I think his
parents wants him to take a afterschool or weekend course. Thanks.
\_ I didn't use anything for the SAT, but I can say that for the GRE,
the Kaplan CD + book was *really* helpful, and definitely much
better than the Princeton Review. I got 780,790, and 680 on
the math, quantatative, and verbal respectively. I think the
SAT is similar enough to the GRE that the same advice holds.
\_ I didn't take a SAT course (my score was ~ 1400 on the old SAT,
but as my major was mse, 4's on the Chem & Calc APs and 750+ on
Chem and Math achv. offset my low SAT score).
My brother took Princeton Review and got a 1570 on the new SAT
(he needed it as his major was BioE).
I would recommend taking a class (PR and Kaplan are both good)
if a 1500+ score is required for the planned major (EECS, BioE)
otherwise just studying with a book/cdrom is probably enough.
I wouldn't recommend taking a AP prep class unless the AP class
at the school is really crappy. Most schools do a good job of
preparing people for the AP tests. The prep classes that some
of my brother's friends took didn't really prepare them for 5's
they seem more for people who just wanted 3's.
\_ I'm an old fuck so in my day, no, it was a waste, but these days
I'd say yes. You want courses that focus on the academics of the
test and the trick questions. Some courses focus on bullshit like
how racist the tests are which is interesting but not useful.
\_ The SAT is culturally biased in favor of those cultures that
value education.
\_ Funny.
\_ Don't bother. Just buy the Kaplan, Princeton Review, etc. books,
and work through them. I trained one summer to be a Kaplan bitch,
and basically all the classes do is force you to go through the
workbook. Why pay $800 or more for the same thing you get from a
$50 book? -dans
\_ This is true for Kaplan. For TPR, the teachers are usually
more skilled. Depends on the franchise, but TPR teachers
generally make more $$ than Kaplan, and TPR stresses teacher
skills more. That being said, I didn't take any courses for
either SAT: 1440, but then studied off TPR & Kaplan & Vocab
books for GRE: 2330. -ex-TPR instructor & Kap-teacher trainee
\_ Maybe, but my understanding was that Kaplan spends MUCH more
on research, so their core materials are better. Also, I
believe that on average, Kaplan students show bigger
improvements than TPR students. Of course it's easy to lie
with statistics so I'd believe that the same could be said of
TPR students and both statements would be true in a manner of
speaking. -dans
\_ Numbers for 2003 were something like:
Kaplan: $4-5mm research for 20+ tests.
TPR: $2+mm research for 8 tests.
\_ Maybe the studying helps. I got a 1550 (old SAT) but only
a 2290 on the GRE. Both without studying.
\_ Oh yeah? I got a 2310! My penis is _TWENTY POINTS_ bigger
than yours!
\_ I'm female. That makes your penis _TENTY POINTS_.
\_ I'm female. That makes your penis _TWENTY POINTS_.
\_ Hi lea!
\_ BZZZT! Next?
\_ Hmmm, alice?
\_ the new gre has a max of 1600&an essay (from 0 to 6..
i think) !!! :) analytical section is wacked. :(
\_ seconded. I just bought a Princeton Review book many years
ago for GRE. It was actually humorous to read back then.
A high school classmate took a Kaplan course instead. She
must have had much higher SAT score than I did, but I am
than she, 4 year later. Of course, I would not attribute
quite confident I did better, maybe a lot better, on GRE
than she, 4 years later. Of course, I would not attribute
all this too TPR. :)
\_ The Mercury News had a big story on prep courses yesterday:
link:www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/living/education/7921147.htm
\_ I took a cheap SAT course at my local JC, and a simple test taking
tip of circling the answers on the booklet and fill in the bubbles
in groups gave me enough time to recheck my answers couple of times.
Raised my score by 100 points. It was just a one Saturday morning
class.
\_ I took a cheap one at my local community college, and their
book of sample exams had an inappropriate question (it was a
brain-teaser) and had the wrong answer. The whole experience
was a waste of time and money. |
| 2004/2/12-13 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:29801 Activity:very high |
2/12 SF mayor marrying gay couples
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040212/D80LTLDO1.html
\_ How many is he going to marry? I thought polygamy was outlawed in
all 50 states? Isn't he straight? And why would any lesbians
want to marry him?
\_ Bravo! *clap* *clap* *clap*
\_ Thank you! Thank you! --AMC
\_ maybe let North Korea take out SF before we take them out?
\_ Good idea! Considering the blast radius of even a small nuclear
weapon, Soda would be a goner. No more motd flamewars to worry
about!
\_ I like the flamewars -psb #7 fan
\_ Not really. If they set off a fission bomb, Soda would be fine
except for downwind radiation. A large fusion bomb would be
another story.
\_ So you're saying the EMP won't be a factor, and we can
still maintain a server in Berkeley even after catastrophic
fallout? Cool beans! NUKE THE FAGGOTS!
\_ wasn't soda built near a nuclear reactor?
http://tinyurl.com/3c2de
\_ It doesn't mention this, but it was a tiny research reactor
that couldn't have melted down.
\_ Radiation, yes indeed! You hear the most outrageous
lies about it. Half-baked goggle-boxed do-gooders
telling everybody it's bad for you. Pernicious nonsense!
Everybody could stand a hundred chest X-rays a year.
They ought to have 'em too. When they canceled the
project it almost did me in. One day my mind was
ready to burst. The next day nothing swept away.
But I showed them. I had a lobotomy in the end.
\_ "People get so hung up on specifics, they miss out on
seeing the whole
thing. Take South America for example. Every year
in South America
thousands of people turn up missing. Nobody knows
where they go. They
just disappear. But if you think for a minute,
realize something:
there had to be a time when there was no people
right? Well, where did
all these people come from? I'll tell you where:
the future. Where
did all these people disappear to: the past. How did
they get there?
Flying saucers, which are really, yeah, you got it:
time machines."
\_ Scumbags.
They ain't scumbags; they're trolls just like us.
\_ #4 in the link hints of the reactor.
\_ Duh. I was just giving more information.
\_ Why are Christians so full of hate? I thought Christ
told you guys to love everybody and here you are
advocating killing 750,000 people because a few
of them disagree with you. You people are really sickos.
\_ Looks like they've hooked another mark.
\_ exactly, only a hand few of people pushing shit down
people's throats.
\_ how did Christians get into this? Don't other religions
such as Islam also go against gay-marriages?
\_ I think it's just a troll. I can't see what else he might
be thinking. |
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